Zipadelli Is A Moron

On Saturday's race: "It�s frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It�s pretty obvious that the Fords are the dominant race car with the changes NASCAR has made to them. It�s frustrating because they gave that to them to make them get there. They didn�t work for it." This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted in poor track position. The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Yep. He's always been a MAJOR whiner IMO. Guess that's why he and Pasta Boy get along so well<G> -John "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Saturday's race: > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > because they gave that to them to make them get > there. They didn't work for it." > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > in poor track position. > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

The exact reason why Nascar needs to dump the "faux" mfg body shapes and make the switch to a single car body and use stickers that identify make. Unfortunately I believe Nascar likes the "control" they get using the current system. Singling out the #20 team as whiners is where you lose me. Hell the biggest whiner in the history of Nascar was Earnhardt. Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Saturday's race: > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > because they gave that to them to make them get > there. They didn't work for it." > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > in poor track position. > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On Saturday's race: > > "It’s frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It’s pretty obvious > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > changes NASCAR has made to them. It’s frustrating > because they gave that to them to make them get > there. They didn’t work for it."

I'm so tired of the constant bitching and whining about the 'advantages' of the other car. I want to ask them "If it's so much better, why didn't YOU choose it?!?" If the car of choice is Ford, then the others need to get their act together. As long as every manufacturer follows the regulations for car construction, leave them alone. No, NASCAR changes something to help the Chevys, then the Ford guys complain. So then NASCAR throws a bone to Ford, then Dodge complains. Stupid - the constant rule changes during the season are a waste of money and time. Whatever happened to "race what ya brung"? Sheesh... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The problem is that NASCAR tinkers with the cars before they ever get on the track. If NASCAR would give basic dimensions for the cars, and say go build it and leave it alone from that point, there would be no problem. They need to go back to following the street car templates with basic car/spoiler widths and heights and that would fix the problem. If you dont like how your car is performing, build a better one kind of deal, but it has to match the street car. Phillip "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On Saturday's race: > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > there. They didn't work for it." > > I'm so tired of the constant bitching and whining about the 'advantages'

of the > other car. I want to ask them "If it's so much better, why didn't YOUchoose > it?!?" If the car of choice is Ford, then the others need to get theiract > together. As long as every manufacturer follows the regulations for car > construction, leave them alone. No, NASCAR changes something to help the > Chevys, then the Ford guys complain. So then NASCAR throws a bone toFord, > then Dodge complains. Stupid - the constant rule changes during theseason are

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> a waste of money and time. > Whatever happened to "race what ya brung"? Sheesh... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

cure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Saturday's race: > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > because they gave that to them to make them get > there. They didn't work for it." > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > in poor track position. > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Actually, they pretty much did/are. A year or two ago when the "Iroc" debate got heated, it was swept under the rug..........and Nascar did what they wanted to anyway, with little fanfare/press, which was make virtually identical bodies. The Dodge is actually a Taurus variant, not from Dodge at all, i.e. -John "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3XMI8.2752$[email hidden]... > The exact reason why Nascar needs to dump the "faux" mfg body shapes and > make the switch to a single car body and use stickers that identify make. > Unfortunately I believe Nascar likes the "control" they get using the > current system. > > Singling out the #20 team as whiners is where you lose me. Hell thebiggest

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> whiner in the history of Nascar was Earnhardt. > > Mitch > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Saturday's race: > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > > in poor track position. > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) -John "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]...

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> Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Saturday's race: > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > > in poor track position. > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

true but then it's a mfg issue...not nascars :) "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > -John > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Saturday's race: > > > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the

VAST > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,and

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> > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > > > in poor track position. > > > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > RASCAR Roster > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > ========================================================= > > > > > >

true but then it's a mfg issue...not nascars :)

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> The same kind of ***ing took place when they were too :) > -John > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > > On Saturday's race: > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > that the Fords are the *** race car with the > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the

VAST > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and

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> > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > > > in poor track position. > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > RASCAR Roster > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > =========================================================

That's true. Definately agree anyway; make 'em more stock. Body, engine, the works. Petty predicted adding spoilers and dams to the cars would turn into a nightmare :) -John "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8VQI8.329$[email hidden]...

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> true but then it's a mfg issue...not nascars :) > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Saturday's race: > > > > > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the > VAST > > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on

THAT > > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believethat > > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, > and > > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops thatresulted > > > > in poor track position. > > > > > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, hadbetter

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> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ========================================================= > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > RASCAR Roster > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <3XMI8.2752$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Singling out the #20 team as whiners is where you lose me. Hell the biggest > whiner in the history of Nascar was Earnhardt. It's not the 20 *team*, it's Zipadelli. He's whining about shit that doesn't matter. Four Fords finish in the top 5 - big deal, a Chevy led most of the freakin race. I'm willing to bet that if he Stewarty had finished 1st and the next nine cars across the line were Fords, we wouldn't hear a peep out of the little shit. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :) Jason "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > -John > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Saturday's race: > > > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted > > > in poor track position. > > > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > RASCAR Roster > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > ========================================================= > > > >

Who said anyone was blaming Nascar ? :) I meant bitching about one car, or car part, gave an advantage. -John "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he > blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :) > > Jason > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Saturday's race: > > > > > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the

VAST > > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection onTHAT > > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believethat > > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,and > > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops thatresulted > > > > in poor track position. > > > > > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, hadbetter

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> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ========================================================= > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > RASCAR Roster > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > >

p.s. Matadors bah, he should have tried a Pacer :) -John "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'd like to find a post-race interview with Bobby Allison where he > blamed his performances in the AMC's on NASCAR. :) > > Jason > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Saturday's race: > > > > > > > > "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after > > > > Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race > > > > to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious > > > > that the Fords are the dominant race car with the > > > > changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating > > > > because they gave that to them to make them get > > > > there. They didn't work for it." > > > > > > > > This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the

VAST > > > > majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection onTHAT > > > > car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believethat > > > > all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race,and > > > > I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops thatresulted > > > > in poor track position. > > > > > > > > The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, hadbetter

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> > > > pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ========================================================= > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > RASCAR Roster > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > >

On Tue, 28 May 2002 18:43:38 GMT, "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said Yea, it'd be a real hoot watching 170 horsepower, front wheel drive cars navigate the super speedways at 80mph.

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> On Tue, 28 May 2002 18:43:38 GMT, "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > > Yea, it'd be a real hoot watching 170 horsepower, front wheel drive > cars navigate the super speedways at 80mph. >

LOL! Maybe it'd shame the manufacturers into making some *real* cars once again. -- Fester "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff it." -- Stirling Moss

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> On Tue, 28 May 2002 18:43:38 GMT, "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said > > Yea, it'd be a real hoot watching 170 horsepower, front wheel drive > cars navigate the super speedways at 80mph. >

You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo if that's your figures <G> -John

On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo if >that's your figures <G> I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL.

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> On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo if > >that's your figures <G> > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL.

Lol, I hear you there :) -John > >

LOL I would have to buy a used Lexus LS400 and spank all of them at a 153mph with the tokoyo tuna boat, rear wheel drive even <g> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo if > > >that's your figures <G> > > > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL. > > Lol, I hear you there :) > > -John > > > > > > > >

Nah; no foreign makes in Nascar.....................yet, and hopefully, never. Of course, one wonders what they call Dodge, sorta, kinda :) -John "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hOaJ8.4919$[email hidden]... > LOL I would have to buy a used Lexus LS400 and spank all of them at a153mph

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> with the tokoyo tuna boat, rear wheel drive even <g> > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo

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> > > >that's your figures <G> > > > > > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > > > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL. > > > > Lol, I hear you there :) > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

hell the fords are mexican and canadian as well as the chevys hehe "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Nah; no foreign makes in Nascar.....................yet, and hopefully, > never. Of course, one wonders what they call Dodge, sorta, kinda :) > > -John > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hOaJ8.4919$[email hidden]... > > LOL I would have to buy a used Lexus LS400 and spank all of them at a > 153mph > > with the tokoyo tuna boat, rear wheel drive even <g> > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte

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> if > > > > >that's your figures <G> > > > > > > > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > > > > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL. > > > > > > Lol, I hear you there :) > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ROFL !!!! So true, so true. -John "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aCcJ8.5370$[email hidden]... > hell the fords are mexican and canadian as well as the chevys hehe > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Nah; no foreign makes in Nascar.....................yet, andhopefully,

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> > never. Of course, one wonders what they call Dodge, sorta, kinda :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hOaJ8.4919$[email hidden]... > > > LOL I would have to buy a used Lexus LS400 and spank all of them at a > > 153mph > > > with the tokoyo tuna boat, rear wheel drive even <g> > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte > Carlo > > if > > > > > >that's your figures <G> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > > > > > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL. > > > > > > > > Lol, I hear you there :) > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Nah; no foreign makes in Nascar.....................yet, and hopefully, > never. Of course, one wonders what they call Dodge, sorta, kinda :) > > -John Toyota is already running a car in the ASA ranks. They will first run a truck in the CTS and then make the leap to Busch and Winston Cup. It's not a matter of if but when. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hChJ8.61183$352.3971@sccrnsc02... > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Nah; no foreign makes in Nascar.....................yet, andhopefully, > > never. Of course, one wonders what they call Dodge, sorta, kinda :) > > > > -John > > Toyota is already running a car in the ASA ranks. They will first runa > truck in the CTS and then make the leap to Busch and Winston Cup. It'snot > a matter of if but when. > dave henrie Yeah, I know. Na$car's already sold it's soul; something else won't matter at this point. -John > >

The 48 car (Chevy) was smoking the field all night and the only reason he wasnt up front at the end is because he choked twice missing his pit stall :) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Saturday's race: | | "It's frustrating right now," Zipadelli said after | Stewart barely missed a top-five finish in a race | to the line with Jeff Gordon. "It's pretty obvious | that the Fords are the dominant race car with the | changes NASCAR has made to them. It's frustrating | because they gave that to them to make them get | there. They didn't work for it." | | This is just a case of sour grapes if you ask me. A Chevy led the VAST | majority of laps (I wonder if they did a post-race inspection on THAT | car), and Kenseth and Martin were always in the top 5. I believe that | all of the makes made a top-5 showing at some point during the race, and | I seem to remember several folks having crappy pit stops that resulted | in poor track position. | | The people that finished in the top 5 drove a smarter race, had better | pit stops, and had more luck than the rest. | | | -- | ========================================================= | DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends | http://www.paddedwall.org/demons | DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) | http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 | RASCAR Roster | http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar | Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" | http://www.paddedwall.org/john | Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) | http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast | | If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown | above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. | ========================================================= |

Absolutely. If anything it was worse back then because the disparities were greater. I think "whining and bitching" are part of ANY racer's job description, BTW. cheers, Gerald "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> The same kind of bitching took place when they were too :) > > -John > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:udQI8.246$[email hidden]... > > Just another reason why stock cars should be stock cars....nuff said

Hey now, my 2000 Taurus is a damned fine car! We won't talk about the depreciation, though. Damn you Hertz :( -Larry "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:08:25 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > You're buying the wrong model of Taurus, Intrepid, and Monte Carlo if > >that's your figures <G> > > I'm not buying any model of any of those grandma cars. > NASCAR isn't fooling me. LOL. > >

> Toyota is already running a car in the ASA ranks. jussssst a slight correction to myself...The Toyota car is NOT running in the ASA series but Goodies Dash league. I also think I remember hearing they are using a fuel injected motor, even tho Nascar mandates Carb's for all it's series. dh

Hehe..........wondered if any GM reps were going to contact you :) ASA runs Vortec engines. -John "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cmCJ8.72383$352.3726@sccrnsc02... > > > Toyota is already running a car in the ASA ranks. > > jussssst a slight correction to myself...The Toyota car is NOT running > in the ASA series but Goodies Dash league. I also think I rememberhearing > they are using a fuel injected motor, even tho Nascar mandates Carb's for > all it's series. > dh > > >