Do bigger wheels make NASCAR sims easier?

just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in front of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? pez

Because they can ? If i remember right CART wheels of the past used to be a bit bigger. So, im gonna guess that the tiny tubs they race in these days may restrict the size of the wheel now. As usual, somebody punt me if im wrong on this :) "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez > >

"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez Alex You won at Daytona on Monday. Why do you need to go faster? :) Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) -John

But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my opinion. ;o) "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > -John > > > >

"Phil Lee" wrote... > You won at Daytona on Monday. Why do you need to go faster? :) Nowbody likes winning "the hard way", Phil. <g> And I ain't talking about cheating either. Going fast enough to win is not comfortable. It may be hugely satisfying if one succeeds, but it's a pretty intense endeavour. Anything that takes some of strain away frees up concentration which can be applied elsewhere, like situational awareness and racing, making the whole deal a little easier. So you can push a little harder... <g> Jan. =---

Yep. Plus, Indy cars don't have the drivetrain mass at the same end of the car as the steering assembly. -John "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad10v1$thka6$[email hidden]...

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> But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > opinion. ;o) > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > -John > > > > > > > > >

>"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? The "because they can" is a good answer. A bigger wheel is theorically more precise, but takes longer to react when you want to do a drastic movement. The difference in time is quite small compared to a quick steer of those small open-wheel steering wheels, but on ovals it is not as needed as open-wheel cars on road courses. You don't really need to react with sudden big moves in NASCAR. They don't appear as often as when you drive open-wheel cars or Rallye cars (for counter-steering, etc...) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

but they both have power steering. pez "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > front > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels,so

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> > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > pez > > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > -John > > > >

good points, but then why on road courses do the nascar drivers still use these 'in your lap' massive wheels? the touring cars ive been in has quite regular-small racing wheels in them. is it all just down to 'its the way its always been done' kinda tradition thingy? I dont think i could drive with a wagon wheel :) (and the way my n2002 cars drive i need all the responsiveness i can get!) pez "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad10v1$thka6$[email hidden]...

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> But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > opinion. ;o) > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > -John > > > > > > > > >

id take the wheel out of my fiat uno if it helps, im that serious about these races :) pez "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0ve5$tidlv$[email hidden]... > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > front > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels,so

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> > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > pez > > Alex > > You won at Daytona on Monday. Why do you need to go faster? :) > > Phil > --- > Racesim Central Administrator > http://www.racesimcentral.com > >

Kinda off topic here but I was wondering due to offset in tires, due some real Nascar teams mount the steering wheel so that it is straight? I find my wrists get very sore compared to racing road course sims because of this. FatnSlo "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez > >

Yes, but that doesn't diminish the weight difference. One has power steering at X pounds of a car, the other has it at 3400 lbs. Still moving a much heavier vehicle re inertia, friction, tire size difference, etc. The others have good points too, but as I said earlier, an Indy car doesn't have X lbs. of engine/drivetrain in the front end with the steering assembly either. More than anything, it's probably because of the cockpit size differences :) -John "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad12lg$alm$[email hidden]...

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> but they both have power steering. > > pez > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > > front > > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny

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> so > > > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > > > pez > > > > > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > >

Ack! Good question! "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad147g$s8m$[email hidden]... > good points, but then why on road courses do the nascar drivers stilluse > these 'in your lap' massive wheels?

I think it may just be a red-neck thangy :) Dave Trager http://www.dt-racing.com http://www.dt-racing.com/dtdigitals "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad147g$s8m$[email hidden]...

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> good points, but then why on road courses do the nascar drivers still use > these 'in your lap' massive wheels? the touring cars ive been in has quite > regular-small racing wheels in them. > > is it all just down to 'its the way its always been done' kinda tradition > thingy? > > I dont think i could drive with a wagon wheel :) (and the way my n2002

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> drive i need all the responsiveness i can get!) > > pez > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad10v1$thka6$[email hidden]... > > But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > > opinion. ;o) > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Not to mention that IRL cars are driven by wound rubberbands. Haqsau wrote:

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> But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > opinion. ;o) > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > -John > > > > > > > >

Or yellow lights, which ever come first <G> -John "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Not to mention that IRL cars are driven by wound rubberbands. > > Haqsau wrote: > > > But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > > opinion. ;o) > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I always wondered this myself. Especially since the max ratio for the SuperSpeedways isn't as good as it used to be. -Larry "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez > >

What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should closely resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. Brian "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:waTI8.133788$[email hidden]...

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> Because they can ? > If i remember right CART wheels of the past used to be a bit bigger. So, > im gonna guess that the tiny tubs they race in these days may restrict the > size of the wheel now. > As usual, somebody punt me if im wrong on this :) > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > front > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels,

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> > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > pez > > > > > >

On the ovals they might use them because bigger wheels allow more precise steering input when it comes to minimal corrections. If they use them on the road circuit's as well, I'd guess that's either based on rules, or because it isn't easy to get used to a greatly different wheel size quickly enough. Achim "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house infront > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels?

My guess would be: 1) NASCAR stock cars have an "almost" 50% weigth balance... so front tires _need_ to be bigger to sustain the weight when turning. 2) Aereodynamic effect... NASCAR cars have the chassis "around" the tires.. so, no matter what you put in, it'll still have 0 effect on car CX. I think a smaller tire on an open wheel car means a smaller CX..so more speed. 3) Rolling resistence on smaller tires is lower. Not sure about anyone of those... Stefano Casillo www.drivingitalia.com/netkar "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]>... > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in front > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > pez

Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel shouldclosely > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > Brian > >

He was referring to the "steering" wheel. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Stefano Casillo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > My guess would be: > > 1) NASCAR stock cars have an "almost" 50% weigth balance... so front > tires _need_ to be bigger to sustain the weight when turning. > 2) Aereodynamic effect... NASCAR cars have the chassis "around" the > tires.. so, no matter what you put in, it'll still have 0 effect on > car CX. I think a smaller tire on an open wheel car means a smaller > CX..so more speed. > 3) Rolling resistence on smaller tires is lower. > > Not sure about anyone of those... > > Stefano Casillo > www.drivingitalia.com/netkar > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]>... > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in front > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, so > > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > pez

Quote from Harry Hyde: "Ain't nothing stock about a stock car!" Kerry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]...

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> Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > closely > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > Brian > > > > > >

I saw on Speedvision awhile back a show about IROC. In one of the early IROC races at Riveside one of the open wheel guys asked if he could get the wheel changed to a smaller one. The mechanic told him to just try it. He made a lap and came back in and asked if he could get a bigger one. :) While it doesn't answer your question it does show there is something to it. I don't remember who it was for sure but I'm thinking it was Clark MadDAWG.

I was watching a stock car race recently on speed vision. I'm not sure if was Trans-Am, ASA or ARCA or what cause I was flipping but they pointed out during an in-car shot that the guy was using a smaller wheel. It was about 3/4 of the size of a normal wheel. They said he only used it on road courses. I wish I had more info on this, but I'm sure I saw it. "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad147g$s8m$[email hidden]...

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> good points, but then why on road courses do the nascar drivers still use > these 'in your lap' massive wheels? the touring cars ive been in has quite > regular-small racing wheels in them. > > is it all just down to 'its the way its always been done' kinda tradition > thingy? > > I dont think i could drive with a wagon wheel :) (and the way my n2002

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> drive i need all the responsiveness i can get!) > > pez > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad10v1$thka6$[email hidden]... > > But OTOH they have power steering and high ratio (i.e. slow) steering > > gear. I don't think it has as much to with steering effort as it does > > with control sensitivity. A large wheel is preferable on an oval > > because you want to make small course corrections with high precision. > > That's also one of the reasons they put the wheel so much closer to the > > driver. Also a large wheel is possible in a stock car because of the > > car's higher natural stability. IRL can't use large wheels because of > > the size of the cockpit, but even if they could they probably wouldn't > > because a small lightweight car can get out of shape much easier than a > > big car (due to lower rotational inertia) and therefore in IRL you would > > want the extra responsiveness that a small wheel gives. Just my > > opinion. ;o) > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Because stock cars weigh twice what an Indy car does :) > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Phantom" <[email hidden]> writes: >What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should closely >resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > >Brian Come on - *nothing* about stock car racing is "stock" anymore...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > closely > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > Brian > > > > >

LOL! Technically not true. As memory serves me, several things HAVE to be stock items. The decklid for one. While a decklid does not a street car make, they are trying to hold on to the idea of stock.

Yes.. and I was drunk of course.. ;-) Stefano Casillo www.drivingitalia.com/netkar "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad2u5s$u1g$[email hidden]...

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> He was referring to the "steering" wheel. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > > "Stefano Casillo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > My guess would be: > > > > 1) NASCAR stock cars have an "almost" 50% weigth balance... so front > > tires _need_ to be bigger to sustain the weight when turning. > > 2) Aereodynamic effect... NASCAR cars have the chassis "around" the > > tires.. so, no matter what you put in, it'll still have 0 effect on > > car CX. I think a smaller tire on an open wheel car means a smaller > > CX..so more speed. > > 3) Rolling resistence on smaller tires is lower. > > > > Not sure about anyone of those... > > > > Stefano Casillo > > www.drivingitalia.com/netkar > > > > > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]>... > > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > front > > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny

wheels, > so > > > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > > > pez > >

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> > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > > closely > > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > LOL! Technically not true. As memory serves me, several things HAVE to be > stock items. The decklid for one. While a decklid does not a street car > make, they are trying to hold on to the idea of stock. >

The decklid, the hood, and the roof have to be stock(latest version of the rules IIRC, could be mistaken). Otherwise, nothing has to be, nor is. -John

I know, Eldred, but we know that the reason that certain body panels have to conform to a template is so that there is some minimal resemblance to stock. I think the resemblance is what makes this kind of racing so popular in America. Putting a smaller wheel in the car is probably unnecessary as it would make the car too twitchy (unless compensated for elsewhere) and it would slightly diminish the psychological illusion that these are "stock" cars. It is certainly an illusion, but if the required conformities were no longer required, popularity of the sport would drop precipitously. Brian "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Phantom" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel shouldclosely

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> >resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > >Brian > > Come on - *nothing* about stock car racing is "stock" anymore...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

cure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Decklid, roof & hood. Maintaining a resemblance is key to the popularity of the sport. Brian "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]...

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> Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > closely > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > Brian > > > > > >

Decklid, roof, & hood. All else is illusion, but necessary to keep the sport popular. Brian "Kerry Grant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Quote from Harry Hyde: > > "Ain't nothing stock about a stock car!" > > Kerry > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > > closely > > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > >

Fwiw, I don't know about that. Nobody really considers them semblances of showroom, stock cars, especially compared to the past. In fact, they all use common templates now, for that matter(Nascar cleverly snuck them in under the rug, after the "IROC" debate a few years back). Manufacturer loyalty is NOTHING compared to what it used to be like, among fans, IMO. It's main reason for popularity in the past IMO, was close quarter, side by side racing, among other things. Now, much of it's popularity is do to marketing, it's a fad, and it's the latest "cool, to be seen at" fad to a degree...............IMO :) -John "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I know, Eldred, but we know that the reason that certain body panels haveto > conform to a template is so that there is some minimal resemblance tostock. > I think the resemblance is what makes this kind of racing so popular in > America. > > Putting a smaller wheel in the car is probably unnecessary as it wouldmake > the car too twitchy (unless compensated for elsewhere) and it wouldslightly

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> diminish the psychological illusion that these are "stock" cars. It is > certainly an illusion, but if the required conformities were no longer > required, popularity of the sport would drop precipitously. > > Brian > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Phantom" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > closely > > >resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > >Brian > > > > Come on - *nothing* about stock car racing is "stock" anymore...<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research

to > cure > > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to makea > > donation. Thank you. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

I don't even think those are stock. Some coworkers of mine have done wind tunnel work with these guys, and I believe they told me that for sheetmetal changes they had to stay within an inch of the centerline template. An inch can make a big difference, and I'm certain they are all taking advantage of that. "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Decklid, roof, & hood. > > All else is illusion, but necessary to keep the sport popular. > > Brian > > > > "Kerry Grant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Quote from Harry Hyde: > > > > "Ain't nothing stock about a stock car!" > > > > Kerry > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel

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I don't think they can get away with an inch from what I've read, but you're right - they will certainly use the tolerance to their advantage! Brian "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad3hhk$u4q7v$[email hidden]...

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> I don't even think those are stock. Some coworkers of mine have done > wind tunnel work with these guys, and I believe they told me that for > sheetmetal changes they had to stay within an inch of the centerline > template. An inch can make a big difference, and I'm certain they are > all taking advantage of that. > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Decklid, roof, & hood. > > > > All else is illusion, but necessary to keep the sport popular. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > "Kerry Grant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Quote from Harry Hyde: > > > > > > "Ain't nothing stock about a stock car!" > > > > > > Kerry > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel > should > > > > closely > > > > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Calling NASTYCAB stock car racing is a pipedream. Phantom wrote:

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> What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should closely > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > Brian > > "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:waTI8.133788$[email hidden]... > > Because they can ? > > If i remember right CART wheels of the past used to be a bit bigger. So, > > im gonna guess that the tiny tubs they race in these days may restrict the > > size of the wheel now. > > As usual, somebody punt me if im wrong on this :) > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ad0tqq$2g7$[email hidden]... > > > just wondering what the benefit of having a wheel as big as a house in > > front > > > of me would be, after all, i see Cart and IRL drivers with tiny wheels, > so > > > why do nascar drivers insist on wagon wheels? > > > > > > pez > > > > > > > > > >

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> "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qjaJ8.35795$[email hidden]... > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel should > > > closely > > > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! Technically not true. As memory serves me, several things HAVE to be > > stock items. The decklid for one. While a decklid does not a street car > > make, they are trying to hold on to the idea of stock. > > > The decklid, the hood, and the roof have to be stock(latest version of the > rules IIRC, could be mistaken). Otherwise, nothing has to be, nor is. >

Unless that is too slow and then NASCAR lets them change it as much as needed to make them "competitive".

"Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Pancoast wrote: > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:qjaJ8.35795$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > > > > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. > > > > > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > What about the fact that this is STOCK car racing? The wheel

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> > > > closely > > > > > resemble the size of the model you can buy off the floor. > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! Technically not true. As memory serves me, several things HAVE to

be > > > stock items. The decklid for one. While a decklid does not a streetcar > > > make, they are trying to hold on to the idea of stock. > > > > > The decklid, the hood, and the roof have to be stock(latest version ofthe > > rules IIRC, could be mistaken). Otherwise, nothing has to be, nor is. > > > > Unless that is too slow and then NASCAR lets them change it as much asneeded to > make them "competitive". Lol, good point. -John >

I think I heard on one of the race shows recently that the current stock car rules require the cars to use the actual hood roof and deck lid sheet metal dimensions from the street cars. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ad2sv6$trgol$[email hidden]... > Stock car is a legacy term. Nothing in those cars is stock. >