GPL CART Tracks

I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sent an email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the converter. Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'm running broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. Thanks Marc Plante [email hidden]

YOu need to buy a copy of the converter form Dave Noonan's page, and you need to find a copy of ICR/ICR2 for the tracks. Nooone can legally post or give away either items. ICR/ICR2 often comes up available on eBay for very cheap. here's the link to order the converter http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/order.htm -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash marc <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZhfJ8.5886$[email hidden]... > I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion > tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sent an > email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the > converter. > > Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'm running > broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. > > Thanks > > Marc Plante > [email hidden] > >

Marc, I think you're "supposed to" have the original tracks from the CD. It's probably still available on eBay. Dave Noonan had to be very careful not to step on anyone's copyright toes. There's a demo converter that only works with a couple tracks, but I have neither the demo nor the full. Someone else know where they are? Jim marc wrote:

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> I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion > tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sent an > email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the > converter. > > Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'm running > broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. > > Thanks > > Marc Plante > [email hidden]

Are you Barton Brown in disguise? "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LSfJ8.13148$[email hidden]... > YOu need to buy a copy of the converter form Dave Noonan's page, and youneed to find a copy of > ICR/ICR2 for the tracks. Nooone can legally post or give away eitheritems. ICR/ICR2 often comes > up available on eBay for very cheap. here's the link to order theconverter

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> http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/order.htm > > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > marc <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:ZhfJ8.5886$[email hidden]... > > I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion > > tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sentan > > email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the > > converter. > > > > Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'mrunning

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> > broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. > > > > Thanks > > > > Marc Plante > > [email hidden] > > > > > >

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> I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion > tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sent an > email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the > converter. > > Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'm running > broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. > > Thanks > > Marc Plante > [email hidden] >

The ICR2 version of mid Ohio is not the most accurate....in fact it barely qualifies as a reasonable facimile. There is a conversion of the CPR version for SCGT, that supposedly was also gonna be updated for the F1 2k+ series. However, I haven't seen it there or in the Heat mods. If you wish to 'learn' Mid Ohio then your best bet would be to find the budget title AMA SUperbike. Lousy game but great track representations. "IF" the Cart World Series 2002 title is still on track, then that program 'should' have the newest version of Mid Ohio. But the soonest we will see that is late this year or early next. dave henrie

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> I'm trying to figure out how to get my hands on the ICR Conversion > tracks..specifically Mid Ohio. I've found Dave Noonan's page, and sent an > email to the link, but cannot locate either the base ICR tracks, nor the > converter. > > Does anyone know where I might be able to get the bits? Yes, I'm running > broadband for a direct send of email/ file transfer. > > Thanks > > Marc Plante > [email hidden] >

I can see how GPL causes the expectation that everything is available downloadable for free... :-) As you'll have to acquire a copy of ICR2, I suggest you read the notes on Alison's page here http://eaglewoman.simracing.dk/gpl/ under CONTENTS - ADD-ONS - TRACKS - ENHANCED CART TRACKS FOR GPL to get the best version possible (Rendition). (I was disappointed by the graphics of Laguna Seca from my version, but it didn't matter as so many happy memories of driving the corkscrew in ICR2. Dave's converter very well worth it for that). -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden]

I'm not trolling here, I have a real question. Why is it illegal to give someone the tracks from ICR2 if it is not available from the manufacturer anymore? I understand copyright infringements and the author has to make his money, but buying on ebay does not pay the freight for the original maker of the software. It just puts money in the pocket of the person who owns the software. Again, not trolling, just looking for a logical answer. Michael

Michael, Your first mistake is assuming it's logical. ;-) I think it's the way copyright laws were written for pre-computer media. The idea is to protect the author (or publisher) for a "reasonable" (?) length of time. If a title (usually book or song) builds popularity slowly, the author will still profit years later. So why don't software publishers/authors release the rights to older titles to the public domain or sell them? Probably not worth it. Any one know more? Jim Race1530 wrote:

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> I'm not trolling here, I have a real question. Why is it illegal to give > someone the tracks from ICR2 if it is not available from the manufacturer > anymore? > > I understand copyright infringements and the author has to make his money, but > buying on ebay does not pay the freight for the original maker of the software. > It just puts money in the pocket of the person who owns the software. > > Again, not trolling, just looking for a logical answer. > > Michael

"Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not trolling here, I have a real question. Why is it illegal to give > someone the tracks from ICR2 if it is not available from the manufacturer > anymore? > > I understand copyright infringements and the author has to make his money,but > buying on ebay does not pay the freight for the original maker of thesoftware. > It just puts money in the pocket of the person who owns the software. Whoops....you don't own the software, you just own the cd or floppies that the program was transferred to....!!! > > Again, not trolling, just looking for a logical answer. > > Michael Remember, the convertors and such were new ground back in the glory days of ICR2 and N2. To get permission to tweek the sims for the Pits Touring car league, they had to agree NOT to make the tracks freely available. Remember Sega had the rights to Daytona and Papyrus was placed in the position of tracking down Daytona clones and making sure they never saw the light of day.(if you want to someday enter into a legal agreement with Nascar, you don't provide a means to gut one of Nascar's exclusive licenses.) So the Pits guys played by the rules and made their convertors only work if you actually had a cd with the tracks. Now these days....if your are diligent about searching the web, you can probably find just about any old track already converted and available for downloading. Even some that have been fixed so they work in a D3D enviroment.(you wouldn't beleive how many times we heard of a former 3dfx user buying a tnt cuz it went 5 frames faster and suddenly found he couldn't drive any of the old ICR2 tracks that had been converted for use with the TPTCC leagues. )<whoo boy> dave henrie

IMO, it was and is, a matter of a few self-appointed 'net cops'. Went through the same thing in the early 90's with midis. Some dork claimed he represented Michael Jackson and the music industry. Tried to intimidate us by sending emails. Any cease and desist order must be hand delivered paper documents. Turned out the dork lived in Florida and had a 'home based business' of leaching midis from the net and selling them on diskettes. GJ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 05/29/2002

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> > IMO, it was and is, a matter of a few self-appointed 'net cops'. Went > through the same thing in the early 90's with midis. Some dork claimed > he represented Michael Jackson and the music industry. Tried to > intimidate us by sending emails. Any cease and desist order must be hand > delivered paper documents. Turned out the dork lived in Florida and had > a 'home based business' of leaching midis from the net and selling them > on diskettes.

Can we send our legal bills to you if you're wrong ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

If you send me an email representing yourself as a representative for a company regarding legal matters and my website, be prepared to prove it, or be prepared to receive an ivitation to go have sex with yourself. I get emails from George W. Bush wanting me to buy sexual enhancement creams. So far I've resisted the urge. Last I knew, receiving legal paper documents, carried no cost for the recipient. GJ "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > George Jetson wrote: > > > > IMO, it was and is, a matter of a few self-appointed 'net cops'.Went > > through the same thing in the early 90's with midis. Some dorkclaimed > > he represented Michael Jackson and the music industry. Tried to > > intimidate us by sending emails. Any cease and desist order must behand > > delivered paper documents. Turned out the dork lived in Florida andhad > > a 'home based business' of leaching midis from the net and sellingthem

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> > on diskettes. > > Can we send our legal bills to you if you're wrong ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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> > If you send me an email representing yourself as a representative for > a company regarding legal matters and my website, be prepared to prove > it, or be prepared to receive an ivitation to go have sex with yourself. > I get emails from George W. Bush wanting me to buy sexual enhancement > creams. So far I've resisted the urge. > > Last I knew, receiving legal paper documents, carried no cost for the > recipient.

While you're probably correct in this, would you think it was wise for a web site like ours who mainly works with Papyrus products to make Papy/Sierra/Havas bring out the lawyers every time they see something that they believe to be in breach of their copyrights ? Especially if we "know" they're right Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Setting a policy for one's own website is fine. Playing a net cop to enforce your vision is something else. Attempting to pass yourself of as something your not (a legal representative, for instance) is no doubt, legally fraudulent. This newsgroup seems to have such a self appointed net cop. Eventually, he will be exposed (or expose himself ;) ) for the fraud he truly is. GJ "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > George Jetson wrote: > > > > If you send me an email representing yourself as a representativefor > > a company regarding legal matters and my website, be prepared toprove > > it, or be prepared to receive an ivitation to go have sex withyourself. > > I get emails from George W. Bush wanting me to buy sexualenhancement > > creams. So far I've resisted the urge. > > > > Last I knew, receiving legal paper documents, carried no cost forthe > > recipient. > > While you're probably correct in this, would you think it was wise fora

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> web site like ours who mainly works with Papyrus products to make > Papy/Sierra/Havas bring out the lawyers every time they see something > that they believe to be in breach of their copyrights ? > > Especially if we "know" they're right > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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"George Jetson" > This newsgroup seems to have such a self appointed net cop. > Eventually, he will be exposed (or expose himself ;) ) for the fraud he > truly is. > > GJ > !!!! I hope we don't catch him with his pants down!!! ....err you DO drive with the "incar" view at all times right?(I was gonna use the aircraft word but it seemed, somehow, inappropriate, or just slightly off center(centre for the Brits) like cockeyed..........lol dave henrie dave henrie

George Jetson wrote:

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> > Setting a policy for one's own website is fine. Playing a net cop to > enforce your vision is something else. Attempting to pass yourself of as > something your not (a legal representative, for instance) is no doubt, > legally fraudulent. > > This newsgroup seems to have such a self appointed net cop. > Eventually, he will be exposed (or expose himself ;) ) for the fraud he > truly is.

I have no idea what you're on about now....... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--