N2002 - should I patch?

I've heard of new things that are broken with the patch. Is it a good idea to patch it now or to wait for the next one? Thanks Brian

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> I've heard of new things that are broken with the patch. Is it a good idea > to patch it now or to wait for the next one? > > Thanks > > Brian >

apparently the 2nd patch will be out shortly...so if you have no issues with the unpatched version, stay with it...Eventually Papyrus usually limits online participation to only the newest version. However, because of some of the problems with the first patch, they have allowed the retail and the patched exe's to log onto Sierra servers. This is a rarity so don't expect it to continue once the 2nd patch is released. dave henrie

I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if I would have known! Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch. This was not a good release :( -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oSCJ8.60050$[email hidden]... > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've heard of new things that are broken with the patch. Is it a goodidea

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> > to patch it now or to wait for the next one? > > > > Thanks > > > > Brian > > > apparently the 2nd patch will be out shortly...so if you have no issues > with the unpatched version, stay with it...Eventually Papyrus usually

limits > online participation to only the newest version. However, because of some > of the problems with the first patch, they have allowed the retail and the > patched exe's to log onto Sierra servers. This is a rarity so don'texpect > it to continue once the 2nd patch is released. > dave henrie > >

What's the issue with OpenGL? - Eric "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xZfK8.32007$[email hidden]... > I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if Iwould have > known! > > Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch.

Both work fine on my rig. Marc "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xZfK8.32007$[email hidden]... > I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if I wouldhave

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> known! > > Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch. > > This was not a good release :( > > -Larry > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oSCJ8.60050$[email hidden]... > > > > "Phantom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I've heard of new things that are broken with the patch. Is it a good > idea > > > to patch it now or to wait for the next one? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Brian > > > > > apparently the 2nd patch will be out shortly...so if you have no

issues > > with the unpatched version, stay with it...Eventually Papyrus usually > limits > > online participation to only the newest version. However, because ofsome > > of the problems with the first patch, they have allowed the retail andthe

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> > patched exe's to log onto Sierra servers. This is a rarity so don't > expect > > it to continue once the 2nd patch is released. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Several of us here can't run it. NR2002 crashes out. I've read others complain about this. It's very repeatable. I my case, at Charlotte Night during a testing session, it will crash NR2002 hard in the middle of turns 3 and 4. Of course it happens at all the other tracks too, but I just happen to be working out my NCharlotte setup at the time. It feels like a lockup at first, but if you have a lot of RAM it's because Windows XP is dumping the RAM to the hard drive. Eventually, the screen clears and you see the "Send Error Report" Dialog Box. The problem occured under both Windows XP Home and Windows 2000 Pro (both brand new fresh installs). In fact trying to fix this was the main reason for all the clean installs. Spent an entire weekend on it! Here's my system config in case it helps: Hardware ---------- ABIT KG7 Standard Main Board, BIOS 5e. 512MB Crucial RAM (two 256k sticks). VisionTek Ti500 Video Card running in AGP 2X Mode (VisionTek release 28.32 Drivers - NO aftermarket patches or mods). Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card (Latest Release Drivers, 4161s). Intel InBusiness 10/100 NIC Card (WinXP supplied Drivers). Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 7200 RPM ATA/133 80GB Hard Drive. Pioneer 106s Slot-Loading 16x DVD Drive (such a wonderful creature). TDK 321040B CDRW Drive Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2060u 22" Monitor (latest Mistubishi INF installed). Floppy Drive (duh!). Epson Stylus Photo 1270 Printer. Dymo LabelWriter 330 Turbo (No drivers installed, disabled in device manager). Visioneer OneTouch 8600 Scanner (No drivers installed, disabled in device manager). Microsoft SideWinder MSFFW (USB - 4.0 Software). Software --------- Windows XP Home (all critical and most recommeded patches installed from Windows Update). Nascar Racing 2002 NR2002 Latest Patch. NO other software installed. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adc2uf$353$[email hidden]...

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> What's the issue with OpenGL? > > - Eric > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xZfK8.32007$[email hidden]... > > I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if I > would have > > known! > > > > Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch. > >

I save a draft every so often when typing long posts, and I accidently hit the send button before I was done. Sorry :) I'm re-posting here in it's complete form. -Larry **************************************************** Several of us here can't run it. NR2002 crashes out. I've read others complain about this. It's very repeatable. I my case, at Charlotte Night during a testing session, it will crash NR2002 hard in the middle of turns 3 and 4. Of course it happens at all the other tracks too, but I just happen to be working out my NCharlotte setup at the time. It feels like a lockup at first, but if you have a lot of RAM it's because Windows XP is dumping the RAM to the hard drive. Eventually, the screen clears and you see the "Send Error Report" Dialog Box. The problem occured under both Windows XP Home and Windows 2000 Pro (both brand new fresh installs). In fact trying to fix this was the main reason for all the clean installs. Spent an entire weekend on it! Here's my system config in case it helps: Hardware ---------- ABIT KG7 Standard Main Board, BIOS 5e. 512MB Crucial RAM (two 256k sticks). VisionTek Ti500 Video Card running in AGP 2X Mode (VisionTek release 28.32 Drivers - NO aftermarket patches or mods). Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card (Latest Release Drivers, 4161s). Intel InBusiness 10/100 NIC Card (WinXP supplied Drivers). Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 7200 RPM ATA/133 80GB Hard Drive. Pioneer 106s Slot-Loading 16x DVD Drive (such a wonderful creature). TDK 321040B CDRW Drive Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2060u 22" Monitor (latest Mistubishi INF installed). Floppy Drive (duh!). Epson Stylus Photo 1270 Printer. Logitech Cordless Keyboard/Mouse Pro (no drivers istalled - used in basic mode). Dymo LabelWriter 330 Turbo (No drivers installed, disabled in device manager). Visioneer OneTouch 8600 Scanner (No drivers installed, disabled in device manager). Microsoft SideWinder MSFFW (USB - 4.0 Software). Klipsh ProMedia 5.1 Speaker Set. Software --------- Windows XP Home (all critical and most recommeded patches installed from Windows Update). Nascar Racing 2002 NR2002 Latest Patch. PowerToys XP TweakUI component. PowerToys XP "CMD Line From Here" component. NO other software installed. Details ------- The system is not overclocked in any way. There are no modification utilities attached to, nor have changed, the standard factory VisionTek 28.32 Video Drivers. The Dymo Printer and Visioneer Scanner do not have drivers installed and are disabled in the Device Manager. On this boot partition, I do not use the Logitech Mouseworks or iTouch software. I use the basic system-supplied drivers to keep the system clean. I have several different WinXP boot partitions on my drive. One for General Home/Office applications. One for gaming only that has almost NO extra software installed. Not even a Virus Checker. And finally an emergency boot partition with a basic system on it for troubleshooting and recovery. The Gaming XP partition has 35GB assigned so it has plenty of room. Game Configuration -------------------- At the time the crashes were occuring, I was set for OpenGL at 16 bit. 1280X960. All graphics options set to high or all. Draw-ahead set to 100. Anistropic filtering disabled. FSAA disabled in the driver option panel. No V-Sync in OpenGL driver option panel. Transfer mode set to default. Game installed in default directory. Game played with CD in drive. No imaging/mounting software used or other patches. I also had a problem with Frame Rates in the D3D version (as reported on the WON startup page), and resolved that as recommened by copying the old D3D DLL from the CD into the game folder. I have been running D3D @ 85hz (set in DxDiag) since then. If you need anything else, let me know! Thanks :) -Larry "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LAxK8.40202$[email hidden]... > Several of us here can't run it. NR2002 crashes out. I've read others > complain about this. > > It's very repeatable. > > I my case, at Charlotte Night during a testing session, it will crashNR2002

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> hard in the middle of turns 3 and 4. > > Of course it happens at all the other tracks too, but I just happen to be > working out my NCharlotte setup at the time. > > It feels like a lockup at first, but if you have a lot of RAM it's because > Windows XP is dumping the RAM to the hard drive. Eventually, the screen > clears and you see the "Send Error Report" Dialog Box. > > The problem occured under both Windows XP Home and Windows 2000 Pro (both > brand new fresh installs). In fact trying to fix this was the main reason > for all the clean installs. Spent an entire weekend on it! > > Here's my system config in case it helps: > > Hardware > ---------- > > ABIT KG7 Standard Main Board, BIOS 5e. > 512MB Crucial RAM (two 256k sticks). > VisionTek Ti500 Video Card running in AGP 2X Mode (VisionTek release 28.32 > Drivers - NO aftermarket patches or mods). > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card (Latest Release Drivers, 4161s). > Intel InBusiness 10/100 NIC Card (WinXP supplied Drivers). > Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 7200 RPM ATA/133 80GB Hard Drive. > Pioneer 106s Slot-Loading 16x DVD Drive (such a wonderful creature). > TDK 321040B CDRW Drive > Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2060u 22" Monitor (latest Mistubishi INF installed). > Floppy Drive (duh!). > Epson Stylus Photo 1270 Printer. > Dymo LabelWriter 330 Turbo (No drivers installed, disabled in device > manager). > Visioneer OneTouch 8600 Scanner (No drivers installed, disabled in device > manager). > Microsoft SideWinder MSFFW (USB - 4.0 Software). > > Software > --------- > Windows XP Home (all critical and most recommeded patches installed from > Windows Update). > Nascar Racing 2002 > NR2002 Latest Patch. > > NO other software installed. > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adc2uf$353$[email hidden]... > > What's the issue with OpenGL? > > > > - Eric > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xZfK8.32007$[email hidden]... > > > I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if I > > would have > > > known! > > > > > > Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch. > > > > > >

It may not actually be locked up. I think if you look, you'll see continous hard drive activity. What has happened is NR2002 hasn't locked up, it has crashed, and though you can't see the dialog it is writing the memory dump to the hard drive. It takes a LONG time to do this. I've got a very fast system and it takes over a minute. Eventually, the screen will clear and you will see the standard Microsoft "Do you want to send us data" crash dialog. -Larry "Full Name Here" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Locks up the whole computer here. Nascar 2002 is the only game or program > I've used that completely locks up Windows XP to the point I need to hitthe > reset button. Since this is with a Geforce card, it could easily be thator

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> the drivers though. > > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:20:47 -0400, "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What's the issue with OpenGL? > > > >- Eric > > > > > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:xZfK8.32007$[email hidden]... > >> I didn't know this. I would have stayed away from the patch if I > >would have > >> known! > >> > >> Both the OpenGL and D3D Rasterizers are busted in the patch. > > >