RASCAR race June 8th

Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags this time... We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. Server: RASCAR password:ras Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Cool. That's what I started practicing today :) What is the fixed setup based on? Is it an un-molested version of the Fast setup or ??? -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags thistime...

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> We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. > Server: RASCAR password:ras > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

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It'll be the stock "fast" setup Larry. -John "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LIyK8.40240$[email hidden]... > Cool. That's what I started practicing today :) > > What is the fixed setup based on? Is it an un-molested version of theFast

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> setup or ??? > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags this > time... > > We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. > > Server: RASCAR password:ras > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research

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"EldredP" said: > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags thistime... > We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. > Server: RASCAR password:ras No yellows - eh.... what a drag. :-( -- ed_

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>"EldredP" said: > >> Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags this >time... >> We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. >> Server: RASCAR password:ras > >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. >:-(

No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 yellow flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of > yellow flags. 7 yellow flags for 27 laps is pretty > damn boring... I'm pretty sure no yellows is not a solution to the underlying problem. Survival of the luckiest? Jan. =---

"EldredP" writes: > >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > >:-( > > No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7yellow > flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. Sorry Eldred. -- ed_

"Jan Verschueren" said: > I'm pretty sure no yellows is not a solution to the underlying problem. I agree with Jan.... the flags isnt the problem - the driving is... How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts" rule ?? Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it :-) -- ed_

In article <LIyK8.40240$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: > >Cool. That's what I started practicing today :) > >What is the fixed setup based on? Is it an un-molested version of the Fast >setup or ??? Standard fast setup. I haven't changed anything... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Cool. Thanks :) -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It'll be the stock "fast" setup Larry. > > -John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LIyK8.40240$[email hidden]... > > Cool. That's what I started practicing today :) > > > > What is the fixed setup based on? Is it an un-molested version of the > Fast > > setup or ??? > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags

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No yellows ? -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NNHK8.627$[email hidden]...

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> "EldredP" said: > > > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags this > time... > > We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. > > Server: RASCAR password:ras > > No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > :-( > > -- > ed_ >

No yellows really screws up strategy on long races :( -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NNHK8.627$[email hidden]...

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> "EldredP" said: > > > Pocono - 4pm eastern, 40% race, fixed <fast> setup,no yellow flags this > time... > > We all have PLENTY of time to practice for this one. > > Server: RASCAR password:ras > > No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > :-( > > -- > ed_ >

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Let's face it, so does running 70% of the race under yellow... Ouch..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

That rule usually creates more problem then it solves, IMO. -John "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NtOK8.634$[email hidden]...

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> "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > I'm pretty sure no yellows is not a solution to the underlying problem. > > I agree with Jan.... the flags isnt the problem - the driving is... > > How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts" rule

?? > Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it :-) > > -- > ed_ > >

On 03 Jun 2002 15:49:04 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 yellow > flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > Eldred I think we should give it a try. It might turn out better than some of us think. Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Cant say I agree with you there John.... Remember the guys who ran 120 laps (or so) green at Richmond and had N2002 throw them a yellow for 'debrise on track'... That was the FastFood Racing League... here's a little clip from their small but effective rule book: "9. On a restart, you MUST hold your lane (either high or low) until the back straight if a car is above or below you. Do not pass until the backstraight. The only exception to this is if you know the car in front of you to be damaged, and it is safe to switch lanes. Gents, we all know the perils of re-starting, let's be careful out there, eh?" This *is* effective aslong as everyone play by the same book. -- ed_ "John Pancoast" said: > That rule usually creates more problem then it solves, IMO. > "Ed Solheim" said: > > > > How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts" rule ?? > > Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it :-)

I have to agree with Ed, I ran in the FFRL tonight, a 107 lap Chicagoland race. After two yellows early in the race we ran about 80 laps under green straight through to the end of the race. No yellows were caused on the start or either restart. It didn't throw a yellow for debris, though I really could have done with it ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:MASK8.9380$[email hidden]... > Cant say I agree with you there John.... > > Remember the guys who ran 120 laps (or so) green at Richmond and had N2002 > throw them a yellow for 'debrise on track'... > That was the FastFood Racing League... here's a little clip from their > small but effective rule book: > > "9. On a restart, you MUST hold your lane (either high or low) until the > back straight if a car is above or below you. Do not pass until the > backstraight. The only exception to this is if you know the car in front of > you to be damaged, and it is safe to switch lanes. Gents, we all know the > perils of re-starting, let's be careful out there, eh?" > > This *is* effective aslong as everyone play by the same book. > > -- > ed_ > > "John Pancoast" said: > > That rule usually creates more problem then it solves, IMO. > > > "Ed Solheim" said: > > > > > > How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts" rule > ?? > > > Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it > :-) > > > >

Let's face it, so does running 70% of the race under yellow... Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DkQK8.43807$[email hidden]... > No yellows really screws up strategy on long races :(...

We'll agree to disagree :) I've just seen to many accidents caused by people trying NOT to pass, stay in place, etc. in these type of rules. That, and I hate trying, and requesting anyone to try, to remember a rule not enforced by a sim :) Just one more thing to worry about. We don't use it in my league, usually get around three yellows per 40% race, including three at a 160 lapper at Richmond :) But different strokes. -John "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:MASK8.9380$[email hidden]...

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> Cant say I agree with you there John.... > > Remember the guys who ran 120 laps (or so) green at Richmond and had N2002 > throw them a yellow for 'debrise on track'... > That was the FastFood Racing League... here's a little clip from their > small but effective rule book: > > "9. On a restart, you MUST hold your lane (either high or low) until the > back straight if a car is above or below you. Do not pass until the > backstraight. The only exception to this is if you know the car in front

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> you to be damaged, and it is safe to switch lanes. Gents, we all know the > perils of re-starting, let's be careful out there, eh?" > > This *is* effective aslong as everyone play by the same book. > > -- > ed_ > > "John Pancoast" said: > > That rule usually creates more problem then it solves, IMO. > > > "Ed Solheim" said: > > > > > > How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts"

rule > ?? > > > Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it > :-) > > >

I think that's a bit of an exxageration. When you compare our Dover race to the typical online Dover race, we didn't do all that bad... If I had one thing to say, it's that we need to clean up our act during the yellows themselves, especially when they come out. No slamming on brakes (sheesh, please!) Don't run up on the field at 837mph. :) -Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adgnbv$113k6d$[email hidden]...

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> Let's face it, so does running 70% of the race under yellow... > > Achim > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DkQK8.43807$[email hidden]... > > No yellows really screws up strategy on long races :( > ... > >

In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" writes: > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. >> >:-( >> >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 >yellow >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. >Sorry Eldred. >

Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because there were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > On 03 Jun 2002 15:49:04 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 yellow > > flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > > > Eldred > > I think we should give it a try. It might turn out better than > some of us think. > > Cheers, > > uwe

I'm with Uwe on this. I hate the yellows, only because in the few races I've run on RASCAR, I've been taken out twice on restarts. I sure hope I don't have to work Saturday...again ;-( I LOVE POCONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! poconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopoconopocono Gary ;-)

Eldred - welcome to the world of running a league. It is no easy task to setup for clean races especially with different drivers showing each week. My experience has shown it typically takes a month or more to get to a point where you can get yellows even close to an acceptable level and that is with running the same drivers each race. One tip is that you will never please everyone so I'd suggest not even trying. Different drivers like different settings, tracks, etc. If you plan on running open races like this I would suggest 25-20% no yellows, otherwise it will be very long and boring running under yellows the majority of the race. Another thing to try is single file restarts, that will at least help keep cars apart after a yellow. A no pass rule for the first lap or first half lap can be a big help in preventing the green flag jumpers. Pocono is a really hard track to run on for new drivers that haven't run together before. The braking into the turns is difficult as people run in at different speeds and tend to run each other over. It is a track that requires a lot of practice and one slip and a car is into someone. Having been through all this I can tell you it certainly gets frustrating but I have yet to see a league where that was not the case. If you want to be a success you need to stick it out for the long haul. Best of luck. Mark Langille - Schooner2000 League Commissioner www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" writes: > > > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > >> >:-( > >> > >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 > >yellow > >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. > >Sorry Eldred. > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because

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> were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

cure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Let's run without yellows at least once. Someone causing a yellow will be left behind. That might be incentive to drive a little smarter and cleaner. BTW, the start at Dover and the first few restarts were pretty clean. It looked like everyone was giving a little. It wasn't until frustration set in that we started having some problems. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Let's run without yellows at least once. Someone causing a yellow will be left behind. That might be incentive to drive a little smarter and cleaner. BTW, the start at Dover and the first few restarts were pretty clean. It looked like everyone was giving a little. It wasn't until frustration set in that we started having some problems. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

In article <Gs0L8.20830$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Eldred - welcome to the world of running a league. This isn't a league - it's merely a semi-restricted pickup race that happens once a week. Because of that, everybody balks at the idea of having rules of conduct, and there's no real incentive to always drive clean because there's no points and no penalties. Like it or not, that's the way it is. I think no yellows would be okay under these circumstances. We don't yet have any intentional wreckers that I know of, so wrecks will be either one of them racing deals, warp-induced, or someone that hasn't practiced. I don't think Eldred is up for administrating a league, especially since he's participating as a ddriver in at least one league himself. I know first-hand what being admin is like, and it is not very much fun sometimes. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (480+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I agree with what you said, that is why most pickup races don't use yellows. I haven't run any RAS races first hand but from what I have read it seems to be a pickup concept with league settings. Although it would be great if this would work I personally don't see it being very successful. I don't think there are many intentional wreckers around, the biggest issue will be lack of practice and lack of knowing what other's drive like. Learning the styles of other drivers can be as important as learning a track since the racing is so close. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <Gs0L8.20830$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Eldred - welcome to the world of running a league. > > This isn't a league - it's merely a semi-restricted pickup race that > happens once a week. Because of that, everybody balks at the idea of > having rules of conduct, and there's no real incentive to always drive > clean because there's no points and no penalties. > > Like it or not, that's the way it is. > > I think no yellows would be okay under these circumstances. We don't yet > have any intentional wreckers that I know of, so wrecks will be either > one of them racing deals, warp-induced, or someone that hasn't > practiced. > > I don't think Eldred is up for administrating a league, especially since > he's participating as a ddriver in at least one league himself. I know > first-hand what being admin is like, and it is not very much fun > sometimes. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (480+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"EldredP" writes: > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit becausethere > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( Eldred, IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like removing the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone. Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was "a long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit tracks for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things will only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now looking back at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or even more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup" races you can find on Sierra!) One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the first RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was of any real size.. I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further and add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed leagues before and also written rulebooks before. It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play by the same rules. 'Talk to me' :-) -- ed_

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't think Eldred is up for administrating a league, especially since >he's participating as a ddriver in at least one league himself. I know >first-hand what being admin is like, and it is not very much fun >sometimes. Yeah, I'm in about *5* leagues... I've never been a league admin before - the closest I've been is providing servers... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Gs0L8.20830$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred - welcome to the world of running a league. > >It is no easy task to setup for clean races especially with different >drivers showing each week. Well, it's not really a 'league'. It's more like a club of guys who races every saturday. No rules, besides common sense rules.

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>My experience has shown it typically takes a month or more to get to a point >where you can get yellows even close to an acceptable level and that is with >running the same drivers each race. One tip is that you will never please >everyone so I'd suggest not even trying. Different drivers like different >settings, tracks, etc. If you plan on running open races like this I would >suggest 25-20% no yellows, otherwise it will be very long and boring running >under yellows the majority of the race. Another thing to try is single file >restarts, that will at least help keep cars apart after a yellow. A no pass >rule for the first lap or first half lap can be a big help in preventing the >green flag jumpers.

The race Saturday was supposed to be single file restarts. Since I was late starting it, I forgot to set it... The 'no-yellows' is an attempt to keep some excitement in the race. Driving around under yellow is pretty boring... >Pocono is a really hard track to run on for new drivers that haven't run >together before. The braking into the turns is difficult as people run in >at different speeds and tend to run each other over. It is a track that >requires a lot of practice and one slip and a car is into someone. > And since we're NOT a league, there aren't any 'probation' cards we can play... >Having been through all this I can tell you it certainly gets frustrating >but I have yet to see a league where that was not the case. If you want to >be a success you need to stick it out for the long haul. Best of luck. Thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <rN0L8.5$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> writes: >Let's run without yellows at least once. Someone causing a yellow will be >left behind. That might be incentive to drive a little smarter and cleaner. That's what I had hoped, even though I'll probably be the first crash...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to see a "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra understand whats expected from them as drivers. Mitch "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cb3L8.648$[email hidden]... > "EldredP" writes: > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because > there > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows.I'm

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> > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > Eldred, > > IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the > cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like removing > the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all > there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone. > > Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was "a > long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit tracks > for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things

will > only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and > atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would > listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now lookingback > at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or even > more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup" > races you can find on Sierra!) > > One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was thefirst > RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field wasof > any real size.. > > I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit furtherand

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> add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If > man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed leagues > before and also written rulebooks before. > It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play by > the same rules. > > 'Talk to me' :-) > > -- > ed_ > > > >

In article <adinoi$111ps4$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, > >I think it was a courageous and justified step of you to declare this one as >a 'no yellow' race, and I think everyone should give this a chance. Thanks. I would never suggest something like that on a short track like Martinsville or New Hampshire. There would just be TOO much traffic to risk running full speed through all the crashes. We'll see how many people we get Saturday... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <cb3L8.648$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further and >add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If >man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed leagues >before and also written rulebooks before. >It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play by >the same rules. Show me what'cha got... I'm open for suggestions. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Show me what'cha got... I'm open for suggestions. There's some free pointstable generating software here... http://personal.cha.bellsouth.net/cha/r/r/rrathbon/pc/ Jan./just trying to be helpfull. =---

Eldred, I think it was a courageous and justified step of you to declare this one as a 'no yellow' race, and I think everyone should give this a chance. I perfectly understand the concern that driving without yellows takes away from the strategy, but considering the intensely yellow colour the previous Pocono race has had, you also have to ask where's there any strategy left at all if by mid-race your tires are almost unused and the driver still feels as fit as a fiddle because you've run under yellow all the time? I think the wear and tear caused by a race consistently run at race speed will emphasize the strategical aspect far more than what not using yellows reduces it by. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" writes: > > > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > >> >:-( > >> > >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 > >yellow > >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. > >Sorry Eldred. > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because

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> were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

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Admitted, it was an exaggeration :-) Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PYVK8.44435$[email hidden]... > I think that's a bit of an exxageration. > > When you compare our Dover race to the typical online Dover race, wedidn't > do all that bad... > > If I had one thing to say, it's that we need to clean up our act duringthe

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> yellows themselves, especially when they come out. > > No slamming on brakes (sheesh, please!) > Don't run up on the field at 837mph. > > :) > > -Larry > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgnbv$113k6d$[email hidden]... > > Let's face it, so does running 70% of the race under yellow... > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DkQK8.43807$[email hidden]... > > > No yellows really screws up strategy on long races :( > > ... > > > > > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <rN0L8.5$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\"Busch" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Let's run without yellows at least once. Someone causing a yellow will be > >left behind. That might be incentive to drive a little smarter andcleaner. > > That's what I had hoped, even though I'll probably be the firstcrash...<g> > > Eldred Or you may be left way behind if someone takes you out. I say give it a try though. David G Fisher > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research tocure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The only advice I think makes sense is when you're in a pickle like this, always err on the side of Realism. That way, you can always say that the real Race Drivers have to live with it :) Like the pull to the left :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" writes: > > > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > >> >:-( > >> > >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 > >yellow > >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. > >Sorry Eldred. > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because

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> were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

cure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I disagree with the length. If I want to run a 20% race, I'll just run on an open server. I have shown up at the last 2 of Eldred's races just BECAUSE they were 40%, Yellow-enforced races. I felt like I was in a real race, where taking care of the tires, staying out of trouble, and good pit strategy all became an important part of the event. You can't do that with short races with no yellows. Ya just can't. Short/No yellow races are nothing more than long hotlap sessions. They aren't races. -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Gs0L8.20830$[email hidden]... > Eldred - welcome to the world of running a league. > > It is no easy task to setup for clean races especially with different > drivers showing each week. > My experience has shown it typically takes a month or more to get to apoint > where you can get yellows even close to an acceptable level and that iswith > running the same drivers each race. One tip is that you will never please > everyone so I'd suggest not even trying. Different drivers like different > settings, tracks, etc. If you plan on running open races like this I would > suggest 25-20% no yellows, otherwise it will be very long and boringrunning > under yellows the majority of the race. Another thing to try is singlefile > restarts, that will at least help keep cars apart after a yellow. A nopass > rule for the first lap or first half lap can be a big help in preventingthe

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> green flag jumpers. > > Pocono is a really hard track to run on for new drivers that haven't run > together before. The braking into the turns is difficult as people run in > at different speeds and tend to run each other over. It is a track that > requires a lot of practice and one slip and a car is into someone. > > Having been through all this I can tell you it certainly gets frustrating > but I have yet to see a league where that was not the case. If you want

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> be a success you need to stick it out for the long haul. Best of luck. > > Mark Langille - Schooner2000 > League Commissioner > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >"EldredP" writes: > > > > > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > > >> >:-( > > >> > > >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags.

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> > >yellow > > >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > > > > > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. > > >Sorry Eldred. > > > > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because > there > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows.

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No racing to yellow? I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is too instrumental in some cases. -Larry "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wI4L8.4675$[email hidden]... > I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to seea

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> "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good > start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra > understand whats expected from them as drivers. > > > > Mitch > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cb3L8.648$[email hidden]... > > "EldredP" writes: > > > > > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because > > there > > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. > I'm > > > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > > > Eldred, > > > > IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the > > cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like

removing > > the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all > > there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone. > > > > Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was"a > > long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visittracks

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> > for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things > will > > only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and > > atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would > > listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now looking > back > > at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or

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> > more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup" > > races you can find on Sierra!) > > > > One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the > first > > RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was > of > > any real size.. > > > > I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further > and > > add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If > > man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed

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I think it would be a good rule, but you do have a point about the "trying NOT to pass" part. It seems like in the RASCAR races on restarts it really seems like nobody goes. Instead of jumping on the gas, I am pretty much half throttle in 1st or 2nd gear all the way to the back stretch. I know everyone is trying to be cautious, myself included, but it is almost worse since you end up with a huge traffic jam and all it takes is one or two people to see an *opportunity* to pass half the field and next thing you know we have another yellow. Brian Oster On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:45:29 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> We'll agree to disagree :) I've just seen to many accidents caused by >people trying NOT to pass, stay in place, etc. in these type of rules. >That, and I hate trying, and requesting anyone to try, to remember a rule >not enforced by a sim :) Just one more thing to worry about. > > We don't use it in my league, usually get around three yellows per 40% >race, including three at a 160 lapper at Richmond :) > > But different strokes. > >-John > > >"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message >news:MASK8.9380$[email hidden]... >> Cant say I agree with you there John....

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>> >> "9. On a restart, you MUST hold your lane (either high or low) until the >> back straight if a car is above or below you. Do not pass until the >> backstraight. The only exception to this is if you know the car in front >of >> you to be damaged, and it is safe to switch lanes. Gents, we all know the >> perils of re-starting, let's be careful out there, eh?" >> >> This *is* effective aslong as everyone play by the same book. >> >> -- >> ed_ >> >> "John Pancoast" said: >> > That rule usually creates more problem then it solves, IMO. >> >> > "Ed Solheim" said: >> > > >> > > How about we adapt the "no passing until back-straight on restarts" >rule >> ?? >> > > Lots of leagues use this rule and there has to be a good reason for it >> :-) >> >> >> > >

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You kinda are between a rock and a hard place. I'll go ahead and cast my vote to keep the yellows. The only thing I hate worse then driving around under yellow is getting spun in the first 5 laps, and going several laps down because there is now yellow. At that point you might as well quite the race. With yellows off, you will probably end up with 3 or 4 happy people (those not involved in any incidents) and the rest will all be ticked off. I say keep the yellows and share the misery :). Single file re-starts may be a good compromise. Of course my vote probably shouldn't count this week since I will probably have to miss the race. Brian Oster On 04 Jun 2002 04:04:08 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>"EldredP" writes: >> >>> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. >>> >:-( >>> >>> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 >>yellow >>> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... >> >>Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. >>Sorry Eldred. >> > >Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because there >were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm >really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > >Eldred >-- >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure >breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a >donation. Thank you. > >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:08:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No racing to yellow? > >I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is >too instrumental in some cases. Maybe allow it with less than 10 to go or if you are in the middle of a pass when the yellow comes out. I believe this is what most leagues implement. Brian Oster

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> >-Larry > >"Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:wI4L8.4675$[email hidden]... >> I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to see >a >> "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good >> start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra >> understand whats expected from them as drivers. >> >> >> >> Mitch >> >> >> "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:cb3L8.648$[email hidden]... >> > "EldredP" writes: >> > > >> > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because >> > there >> > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. >> I'm >> > > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( >> > >> > Eldred, >> > >> > IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the >> > cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like >removing >> > the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all >> > there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone. >> > >> > Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was >"a >> > long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit >tracks >> > for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things >> will >> > only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and >> > atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would >> > listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now looking >> back >> > at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or >even >> > more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup" >> > races you can find on Sierra!) >> > >> > One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the >> first >> > RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was >> of >> > any real size.. >> > >> > I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further >> and >> > add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If >> > man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed >leagues >> > before and also written rulebooks before. >> > It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play >by >> > the same rules. >> > >> > 'Talk to me' :-) >> > >> > -- >> > ed_ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >

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> > "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Show me what'cha got... I'm open for suggestions. > > > There's some free pointstable generating software here... > > http://personal.cha.bellsouth.net/cha/r/r/rrathbon/pc/ >

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Well, given the nature of our open races (anyone can join if they simply know the password which is readily avaiable), these two things would not work. The new people won't know that they can't pass till the backtstretch (a rule I would not personally endorse or follow myself), and they won't know they can't race back to the line under cautions (another rule that I don't agree with, but would obey). In article <n79L8.932$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> No racing to yellow? > > I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is > too instrumental in some cases. > > -Larry > > "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wI4L8.4675$[email hidden]... > > I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to see > a > > "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good > > start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra > > understand whats expected from them as drivers. > > > > > >

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"John Simmons" > > I recently added a new utility to DeMONSthat will read the exported > results file, and then massage it into a results file of your own > design, as well as allowing you to use any points system you want. > Sounds Great john, since it allows us to use ANY points system, then may I propose the DaveH points system...where everyone else gets dq'd and I get the win, points, and glory??(sorry but that sounds like the ONLY way I'll win ) dh

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Show me what'cha got... I'm open for suggestions. 2 things: 1. Have 2 race administrators who review replays and such after the race if there are problems (i.e. if someone complains that they were 'taken out' or in general if the number of cautions is in double digits). 2. Enforce some self-spin rules. OSCAR uses 2 self-spins/incidents caused and you park it. I doubt NASCAR would be as forgiving. 3. I wouldn't advocate bans or anything, but send polite email warnings to people who are clearly creating problems. I wouldn't want to lose the friendliness of the events, but on the other hand you have to have some guidelines to follow or there's no way caution-free racing can happen. I consider myself a clean racer, but I think that follows from racing in OSCAR where a careless, unintentional nudge can generate fines. Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >2 things: > ...*2* things...? :-) >1. Have 2 race administrators who review replays and such after the >race if there are problems (i.e. if someone complains that they were >'taken out' or in general if the number of cautions is in double >digits). Well, if we have 25 cars, and half of them spin once, that's double-digits. >2. Enforce some self-spin rules. OSCAR uses 2 self-spins/incidents >caused and you park it. I doubt NASCAR would be as forgiving. The real NASCAR doesn't make people park it because they spin twice. At least, I've never seen it. Usually the only time they pull someone off the track is for definite rough driving(Harvick), or a car that's too beat up to keep a safe pace. What's the ratio of yellow flags in OSCAR? I don't think I've ever seen any of their race reports.

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>3. I wouldn't advocate bans or anything, but send polite email >warnings to people who are clearly creating problems. I wouldn't want >to lose the friendliness of the events, but on the other hand you have >to have some guidelines to follow or there's no way caution-free >racing can happen. I consider myself a clean racer, but I think that >follows from racing in OSCAR where a careless, unintentional nudge can >generate fines.

I agree about some guidelines, and I wonder how much that will change the 'feel' of the races. We may go to an 'invite' list, as someone suggested to me - if you're not on the list, you can't race. The list would probably originally come from John's RASCAR website, and we would add to it later. I dunno how that would work out yet - I haven't made a decision on that. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I recently added a new utility to DeMONSthat will read the exported >results file, and then massage it into a results file of your own >design, as well as allowing you to use any points system you want. I'll check it out, thanks! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

John has a good point. The only way around it would be to hold a "Drivers Meeting" during the Warmup session where no one should leave the pits until that Chat session is over. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, given the nature of our open races (anyone can join if they simply > know the password which is readily avaiable), these two things would not > work. The new people won't know that they can't pass till the > backtstretch (a rule I would not personally endorse or follow myself), > and they won't know they can't race back to the line under cautions > (another rule that I don't agree with, but would obey). > > > In article <n79L8.932$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > No racing to yellow? > > > > I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the

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> > too instrumental in some cases. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:wI4L8.4675$[email hidden]... > > > I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to

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Brian makes good points. -Larry "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You kinda are between a rock and a hard place. I'll go ahead and cast > my vote to keep the yellows. The only thing I hate worse then driving > around under yellow is getting spun in the first 5 laps, and going > several laps down because there is now yellow. At that point you > might as well quite the race. With yellows off, you will probably end > up with 3 or 4 happy people (those not involved in any incidents) and > the rest will all be ticked off. I say keep the yellows and share the > misery :). Single file re-starts may be a good compromise. Of course > my vote probably shouldn't count this week since I will probably have > to miss the race. > > Brian Oster > > On 04 Jun 2002 04:04:08 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >In article <9qOK8.633$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > ><[email hidden]> writes: > > > >>"EldredP" writes: > >> > >>> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag. > >>> >:-( > >>> > >>> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7 > >>yellow > >>> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring... > >> > >>Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me. > >>Sorry Eldred. > >> > > > >Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because

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> >were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm > >really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :( > > > >Eldred > >-- > >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to

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[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > ...*2* things...? :-) Shaddup =) > Well, if we have 25 cars, and half of them spin once, that's double-digits. True. Usually, in my experience, there are usually a handful of cars that self-spin/repeatedly cause incidents and they usually end up causing a lot more than 2 each. The thing with cautions is, normally, you end up with maybe 2-4 out of 20 racers causing 14 cautions themselves, and everyone else ends up wondering what the heck is going on. > The real NASCAR doesn't make people park it because they spin twice. At least, > I've never seen it. My point was, if some rookie came up and couldn't control their car, I doubt NASCAR (or the team for that matter) would allow them to continue their racing career in their series. If Kevin Harvick spun 2 or 3 times by himself at Pocono, I'm sure that a.) he'd be getting seriously laughed at and b.) NASCAR would, at some point, say "park it" and then have a meeting in the trailer about his lack of car control > pace. What's the ratio of yellow flags in OSCAR? I don't think I've ever seen > any of their race reports. The last practice race I was involved in, using open setups and (I believe) 40-50% race lengths had 6 cautions, 4 of them in the first 10 laps, 2 of them specifically caused by me (one misunderstanding of a rule, another I just completely mis-estimated braking distance...both stupid mistakes, in other words, that I would normally be fined/suspended for in a non-practice race). This was at Pocono. With open setups. The entire field made at least 1 green flag pitstop, the second last caution came when someone's motor blew with about 15 laps to go, the last came on the final lap when someone did a beautiful 360 coming out turn 3 trying to rush to the finish line (i.e. we didn't actually pace, since it was on the last lap). > I agree about some guidelines, and I wonder how much that will change the > 'feel' of the races. We may go to an 'invite' list, as someone suggested to me > - if you're not on the list, you can't race. The list would probably > originally come from John's RASCAR website, and we would add to it later. I > dunno how that would work out yet - I haven't made a decision on that. How about qualifying races? Have a couple 20% length races beforehand to weed out reckless drivers and take the top 10 from each race (or more, until you have a field of 20 or whatever you'd want) and seed them into a 50% (or whatever length) race. You could set it up like a typical sprint car event. For instance. I enter qualifier 1. I finish 4th. Pow, I'm in the 50% race, and I can go drink a beer and wait 20-30 minutes for the long race. Or, alternately, I enter qualifier 1, have some bad luck, and finish 14th. I enter the second race and finish 3rd. I'm in. Or, alternately, I lose control of my car in both races, finish 15th each time, and miss the long race. I'm just trying to think of a way to keep the long races fun with full rules enabled and have entry based on merit instead of "hey, I'm so-and-so from RAS" or "I'm Eldred's sugar daddy". =) People who aren't quite up to making the feature race would be getting valuable practice/seat time in the heat races, and people who are able to drive a 50% race cleanly would, in all likelihood, be able to make it through the qualifiers easily (I can't imagine having many more than 20 people turning up for the race anyway). This way everyone could participate to some extent, and the people who were serious about running long races with full rules could do that as well. Just an idea. Jason

Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), Eldred isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). In article <sxgL8.2897$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> John has a good point. > > The only way around it would be to hold a "Drivers Meeting" during the > Warmup session where no one should leave the pits until that Chat session is > over. > > -Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, given the nature of our open races (anyone can join if they simply > > know the password which is readily avaiable), these two things would not > > work. The new people won't know that they can't pass till the > > backtstretch (a rule I would not personally endorse or follow myself), > > and they won't know they can't race back to the line under cautions > > (another rule that I don't agree with, but would obey). > >

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In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), Eldred >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for people who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more different leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be a COUPLE every day. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes:

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>How about qualifying races? Have a couple 20% length races beforehand >to weed out reckless drivers and take the top 10 from each race (or >more, until you have a field of 20 or whatever you'd want) and seed >them into a 50% (or whatever length) race. You could set it up like a >typical sprint car event. > >For instance. I enter qualifier 1. I finish 4th. Pow, I'm in the >50% race, and I can go drink a beer and wait 20-30 minutes for the >long race. Or, alternately, I enter qualifier 1, have some bad luck, >and finish 14th. I enter the second race and finish 3rd. I'm in. >Or, alternately, I lose control of my car in both races, finish 15th >each time, and miss the long race. > >I'm just trying to think of a way to keep the long races fun with full >rules enabled and have entry based on merit instead of "hey, I'm >so-and-so from RAS" or "I'm Eldred's sugar daddy". =) People who >aren't quite up to making the feature race would be getting valuable >practice/seat time in the heat races, and people who are able to drive >a 50% race cleanly would, in all likelihood, be able to make it >through the qualifiers easily (I can't imagine having many more than >20 people turning up for the race anyway). This way everyone could >participate to some extent, and the people who were serious about >running long races with full rules could do that as well.

Interesting ideas, but a LOT more 'overhead'. One, the time involved for the qualifiers. Two, making sure the correct people transfer to the 'main'. I suppose the main race could be under a different password, and only the people who made the cut get the password. Or, once the drivers are announced, anyone else who tries to join gets banned. From a purely selfish standpoint, I wouldn't be very happy, because I wouldn't be able to make the cut. Out of the 10 races I've been in, I've finished in the top 10 6 times. That might seem good, but 3 of the races had *less* than 10 drivers. My other 3 top 10's were only due to attrition - people getting disco'd, disgusted because of too many yellow flags, etc. I'll have to think about it a bit more... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), Eldred > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for

people > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or moredifferent > leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be aCOUPLE > every day. > > Eldred The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final say on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it or leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. Keeps it simple, easy, etc. It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. -John

How about a LPI restriction instead? /Carl "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > Simmons > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing > > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must > > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite > > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), Eldred > > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). > > > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for > people > > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more > different > > leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be a > COUPLE > > every day. > > > > Eldred > > The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final

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> on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it or > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > Keeps it simple, easy, etc. > It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. > > -John > >

Fwiw, lpi isn't a definitive measurement of a racers "ability." I'd rather keep it based on human opinion vs. a software/code one :) But it's Eldred's call. -John "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adlbm9$637o$[email hidden]...

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> How about a LPI restriction instead? > > /Carl > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > > Simmons > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing > > > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must > > > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite > > > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread),

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> > > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). > > > > > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for > > people > > > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more > > different > > > leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be a > > COUPLE > > > every day. > > > > > > Eldred > > > > The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final > say > > on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it

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> > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > > Keeps it simple, easy, etc. > > It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. > > > > -John > > > > > >

That really wont do the trick for our problems imho. -- ed_ "Carl Ribbegaardh" said: > How about a LPI restriction instead?

Will do... just give me a couple of days and you'll hear from me. Ok? -- ed_ "EldredP" said: > Show me what'cha got... I'm open for suggestions. > > Eldred

Sounds way to complicated to me.... If we want to keep this 'causal' we need to make it simple or else we might just turn the whole thing into a league. Invite list *could* be a solution - but I for one would rather see the current format being retained - i.e one 'commonly known' password. -- ed_ "jason moyer" writes: > How about qualifying races? Have a couple 20% length races beforehand > to weed out reckless drivers and take the top 10 from each race (or > more, until you have a field of 20 or whatever you'd want) and seed > them into a 50% (or whatever length) race. You could set it up like a > typical sprint car event. > <big snipp!>

True, but "open" racing only works if everyone co-operates........which is a pretty unrealistic expectation :) All someone needs to do, is ask to be on an invite list. Then, they race and go from there. Actually trying to make it _easier_ for him. Doesn't sound like it is now. Agreed about ras, but if someone wants to make an ass of themselves about it, I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. Anyway, probably wouldn't work. But the more complex it gets, the quicker there won't be any ras races I bet. -John "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adldbm$79v7$[email hidden]... > Hi John, > > apart from the fact that your suggestion counterfeits the original idea of > an open race for everyone on RAS, you're putting quite a bit of pressureon > Eldred. As a league admin you know that those not on the invite list might > not always be easy about it, and since there's no way from keeping themoff

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> just turn the whole thing into a league. > > Invite list *could* be a solution - but I for one would rather see the > current format being retained - i.e one 'commonly known' password. > > -- > ed_ > > > "jason moyer" writes: > > > How about qualifying races? Have a couple 20% length races beforehand > > to weed out reckless drivers and take the top 10 from each race (or > > more, until you have a field of 20 or whatever you'd want) and seed > > them into a 50% (or whatever length) race. You could set it up like a > > typical sprint car event. > > > <big snipp!> >

In article <adldbm$79v7$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi John, > >apart from the fact that your suggestion counterfeits the original idea of >an open race for everyone on RAS, you're putting quite a bit of pressure on >Eldred. As a league admin you know that those not on the invite list might >not always be easy about it, and since there's no way from keeping them off >RAS as well, Eldred would be confronted with that...

Well, there are many league admins who post here. Everyone here doesn't have the password or 'invite' on their servers, and there aren't any problems. After all, any serverdude has the right to allow who he wants, WHEN he wants. I'm all for imposing a few rules, as per Jason's suggestion. There should be some sanctions for people who *continually* cause incidents. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 05 Jun 2002 14:45:24 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for people > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more different Agreed, Eldred. I should be possible to run a clean race or two with the grown-ups from RAS, shouldn't it? Oh, I'm talking about RAS here.... sorry! ;-> Let's keep it the way it is and try without yellows in Pocono. Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Hi John, apart from the fact that your suggestion counterfeits the original idea of an open race for everyone on RAS, you're putting quite a bit of pressure on Eldred. As a league admin you know that those not on the invite list might not always be easy about it, and since there's no way from keeping them off RAS as well, Eldred would be confronted with that... Achim "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final say > on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it or > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion....

Hey Larry! Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the availibe RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can download it... On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and according to our rooster - #8 has been taken. See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) Best regards, ed_

On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:02:31 GMT, Ed Solheim <> wrote: > Hey Larry! > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) Hey Ed, wait till you see mine ;-) BTW, I wonder why the image never made it onto the RASCAR website... Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and according > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > ed_ > I didn't know you kept chickens, Ed! :-)

"Colin Harris" wrote: > "Ed Solheim" said: > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. andaccording > > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > ed_ > > > I didn't know you kept chickens, Ed! :-) Oh, HOLD KJEFT Colin! :-) -- ed_

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > Agreed about ras, but if someone wants to make an ass of themselves about >it, I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. Thanks. I don't think that an 'invite' list would be clamping down too much. That will probably happen more sooner than later... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <6EqL8.675$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >Will do... just give me a couple of days and you'll hear from me. >Ok? > Ok, thanks! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. I side with Eldred. (What are we talking about?)

Won't work. Most of us run Open races too, and LPI is a useless number when you run open races. -Larry "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adlbm9$637o$[email hidden]...

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> How about a LPI restriction instead? > > /Carl > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > > Simmons > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing > > > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must > > > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite > > > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread),

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> > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > > Keeps it simple, easy, etc. > > It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. > > > > -John > > > > > >

To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > True, but "open" racing only works if everyone co-operates........whichis > a pretty unrealistic expectation :) All someone needs to do, is ask tobe > on an invite list. Then, they race and go from there. > > Actually trying to make it _easier_ for him. Doesn't sound like it is > now. > > Agreed about ras, but if someone wants to make an ass of themselvesabout > it, I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. > > Anyway, probably wouldn't work. But the more complex it gets, thequicker

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> > not always be easy about it, and since there's no way from keeping them > off > > RAS as well, Eldred would be confronted with that... > > > > Achim > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > ... > > > The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final > say > > > on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it > or > > > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > > > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > > ... > > > > > > > > > >

Ditto. -Larry "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EluL8.19977$[email hidden]...

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> > I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. > > I side with Eldred. > > (What are we talking about?) > >

I don't have a special car. You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. -Larry "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > Hey Larry! > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the availibe > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us candownload

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> it... > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and according > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > Best regards, > > ed_ > > >

It shows as a red #8 to me. David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rYuL8.3792$[email hidden]...

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> I don't have a special car. > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > -Larry > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > > Hey Larry! > > > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the

availibe > > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can > download > > it... > > > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. andaccording

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> > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > > > Best regards, > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > >

The reason it may not show as a red #8 to others is if they have removed some or all of the original car set that came with N2002. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FcvL8.66712$[email hidden]...

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> It shows as a red #8 to me. > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rYuL8.3792$[email hidden]... > > I don't have a special car. > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > > > Hey Larry! > > > > > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the > availibe > > > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can > > download > > > it... > > > > > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and > according > > > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > > > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Whats the relationship between open/fixed and LPI? I see very little. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RUuL8.3786$[email hidden]... > Won't work. Most of us run Open races too, and LPI is a useless numberwhen

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John > > > Simmons > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn thisthing > > > > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyonemust > > > > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through aninvite > > > > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), > Eldred > > > > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). > > > > > > > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out therefor

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> > say > > > on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it > or > > > leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it > > > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > > > Keeps it simple, easy, etc. > > > It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > >

Mitch Alatorre wrote: > > Whats the relationship between open/fixed and LPI? I see very little. None whatsoever, however the relationship between running open races, as in pickup races, and LPI are significant :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Larry" wrote... > To think, this all started over Eldred turning off > Yellows for Pocono :) Discussion is healthy. Jan. =---

Which is the exact reason why everyone should submit their own paintjob... :-) -- ed_ "David G Fisher" <said: > The reason it may not show as a red #8 to others is if they have removed > some or all of the original car set that came with N2002.

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> I don't have a special car. > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers..

I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking car for you :-) If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. -- ed_

In article <EluL8.19977$[email hidden]>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >> I think most here would side with Eldred. Know I certainly would. > >I side with Eldred. > >(What are we talking about?) Letting me win all the RASCAR races... ;-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races in N2002 like I used to do in GPL...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) > > No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races in N2002 > like I used to do in GPL...<g>

haha! good one Eldred. I have hardly done races longer than 30 minutes in GPL, but the RASCAR races are two hours in front of the steering wheel. There should be a autopilot mode during yellows to allow running to the toilet :D -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

lpi is never useless, as it always shows how hard you're trying to avoid accidents. Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RUuL8.3786$[email hidden]... > Won't work. Most of us run Open races too, and LPI is a useless numberwhen > you run open races.

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> > In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) > > No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races in N2002 > like I used to do in GPL...<g> > > Eldred > --

So when is the next GP? I need to do one of these before I die. Have you done Mosport yet? I know Monaco hasn't gone down yet, but I don't think I want to race there...yuck! Spa, Rouen, Watkins Glen, I forgot which tracks have been run. Gary

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> "Larry" said > > I don't have a special car. > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking car > for you :-) > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you.

You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind (that's who has the number reserved). Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > > In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) > > > > No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races in N2002 > > like I used to do in GPL...<g> > > haha! good one Eldred. I have hardly done races longer than 30 > minutes in GPL, but the RASCAR races are two hours in front of the > steering wheel. There should be a autopilot mode during yellows to > allow running to the toilet :D

You can run to the bathroom if your car is sitting in the pits. I've had to do that very thing before (dinner from the previous evening was being violently rejected by pre-existing tissue). I went 15 laps down at Taladega because of that "pit stop". -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

On 05 Jun 2002 00:32:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >The real NASCAR doesn't make people park it because they spin twice. At least, >I've never seen it In the Busch Bristol race there was one rookie that spun or was involved in about 5 incidents that brought out the yellow and he was allowed to continue. In fact DW was commenting on the fact that it was time for him to park it and it kinda became the running joke of the day every time the yellow waved and he was involved in it some how. I hate driving around under yellow but then I see something like the spring Busch Bristol race and realize that we are not that far off from the real thing. We are just closer to the Bush series or ARCA then the Winston Cup series. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

The only problem is that the user name people are using for the RASCAR races may be the only time they use it. In other words they might not have built up there LPI. I use zuguzg1 for everything but have been considering making a new user name for the RASCAR races so people would better know who I am. If I did that my first RASCAR race I would have an LPI of 0 even though my other ID has an LPI of 60. Brian Oster On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:45:12 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about a LPI restriction instead? > >/Carl > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > In article <[email hidden]>, John >> Simmons >> > <[email hidden]> writes: >> > >> > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this thing >> > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone must >> > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an invite >> > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), Eldred >> > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). >> > >> > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there for >> people >> > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more >> different >> > leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be a >> COUPLE >> > every day. >> > >> > Eldred >> >> The way to do it, IMO, is via an invite list. And you have the final >say >> on who is on it; if someone doesn't like that, race elsewhere, take it or >> leave it. You decide if someone gets booted off it, etc. And make it >> known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. >> Keeps it simple, easy, etc. >> It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. >> >> -John >> >> > >

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In article <admsup$hhur$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >lpi is never useless, as it always shows how hard you're trying to avoid >accidents. > I got caught in *3* saturday, and I was trying VERY hard to avoid them. The only reason it wasn't more was that I actually STOPPED on the track to avoid 2 more. Since I was already in last place, I didn't have to worry about getting nailed. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary <[email hidden]> writes: >So when is the next GP? I need to do one of these before I die. Have you >done Mosport yet? I know Monaco hasn't gone down yet, but I don't think >I want to race there...yuck! Spa, Rouen, Watkins Glen, I forgot which >tracks have been run. No, Mosport hasn't been done yet. Monaco isn't going to happen - we'd never get enough people to run full-length there. Maybe I'll schedule Mosport one of these months... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > >> In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" ><[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono :) >> >> No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races in N2002 >> like I used to do in GPL...<g> > >haha! good one Eldred. I have hardly done races longer than 30 >minutes in GPL, but the RASCAR races are two hours in front of the >steering wheel. There should be a autopilot mode during yellows to >allow running to the toilet :D

We've done *10* full-length GP races. I've also run in 50% races with the CORS league, and full races with the MoG league. You oughta try longer races more often. We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I know Eldred, this is the reply I usually get when riding my lpi horse :-) but I've given the answer to that in detail in my discussion with Dave, so I'll leave it at that for now. I hope you are aware that my not resuming the discussion is not a sign of not taking your concerns seriously. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <admsup$hhur$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >lpi is never useless, as it always shows how hard you're trying to avoid > >accidents. > > > > I got caught in *3* saturday, and I was trying VERY hard to avoid them.

The > only reason it wasn't more was that I actually STOPPED on the track toavoid 2 > more. Since I was already in last place, I didn't have to worry aboutgetting > nailed. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Olav Malmin > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > > >> In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > ><[email hidden]> > >> writes: > >> > >> >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono

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CORS > league, and full races with the MoG league. You oughta try longer racesmore > often. > We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> > > Eldred We have time-wise :) -John > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > >So when is the next GP? I need to do one of these before I die. Have you > >done Mosport yet? I know Monaco hasn't gone down yet, but I don't think > >I want to race there...yuck! Spa, Rouen, Watkins Glen, I forgot which > >tracks have been run. > > No, Mosport hasn't been done yet. Monaco isn't going to happen - we'd

never > get enough people to run full-length there. > Maybe I'll schedule Mosport one of these months... > > Eldred Hey, I did a Monaco GP in the GPL league I belong to........in a Honda no less !?!? Damn arms hurt after that, lol. Let's do it ! :) -John

"Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 05 Jun 2002 00:32:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > >The real NASCAR doesn't make people park it because they spin twice. Atleast,

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Actually, we are :) Which isn't a bad thing necessarily. Don't judge much racing by the Busch races this year; that series is in the worst shape, perhaps ever, this year. Has weekly field-fillers each race, and the guy you mention above was one of them. The Busch races are a lot worse than "normal" this year(probably will be for awhile too). -John

Hey John, I see that #29 is still available. Can I get dibs on that? Since my league car (the #23) is taken and I don't feel like repainting it, I'll just use the default Harvick car if that's ok. Jason John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> In article <sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> says... > > "Larry" said > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking car > > for you :-) > > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > > > You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind > (that's who has the number reserved). > > Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

It's not in as much trouble as the Truck Series. I just got back from qualifying at TMS and there was about a 15 mph difference between 1st and 32nd (last non-prov spot). Only 35 attempted qual (36 max slots for CTS). Brian Oster On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:39:26 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On 06 Jun 2002 16:52:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> > >Eldred You know, that would be pretty cool. We could really kill ourselves and do the 600 at Lowes. Come to think of it, after playing N4 and N2002 almost constantly since their release I have never run a race that is more than 50% in length. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

True, but the CTS has always been like that pretty much, whereas the Busch Series hasn't. IMO anyway :) -John "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's not in as much trouble as the Truck Series. I just got back from > qualifying at TMS and there was about a 15 mph difference between 1st > and 32nd (last non-prov spot). Only 35 attempted qual (36 max slots > for CTS). > > Brian Oster > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:39:26 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Actually, we are :) Which isn't a bad thing necessarily. Don't judge > >much racing by the Busch races this year; that series is in the worst

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Hehe :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_%vL8.16319$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" wrote... > > To think, this all started over Eldred turning off > > Yellows for Pocono :) > > Discussion is healthy. > > Jan. > =--- > >

I just pulled over to the side :) Hey, a man's gotta do what he's gotta do! -Larry "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > > In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry"<[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono:) > > > > No, this all started because people wanted me to host longer races inN2002

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I'd love to do a full race one day :) Daytona would be great! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Olav Malmin > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >[email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > > >> In article <1WuL8.3788$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > ><[email hidden]> > >> writes: > >> > >> >To think, this all started over Eldred turning off Yellows for Pocono

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CORS > league, and full races with the MoG league. You oughta try longer racesmore

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> often. > We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I did a 70 or 80 one time. Forget the exact number. And it was a BRISTOL race with yellows :) After the first 100 laps or so, and after all the non-racers were weeded out and sent home, it actually wasn't bad at all. In fact, it was a damned fine race. -Larry "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 06 Jun 2002 16:52:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> > > > >Eldred > > You know, that would be pretty cool. We could really kill ourselves > and do the 600 at Lowes. Come to think of it, after playing N4 and > N2002 almost constantly since their release I have never run a race > that is more than 50% in length. > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

That's what I thought. I was suprised to hear it wasn't. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FcvL8.66712$[email hidden]...

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> It shows as a red #8 to me. > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rYuL8.3792$[email hidden]... > > I don't have a special car. > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > > > Hey Larry! > > > > > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the > availibe > > > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can > > download > > > it... > > > > > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and > according > > > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > > > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Then, frankly, it's not my problem :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FfvL8.119732$%[email hidden]...

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> The reason it may not show as a red #8 to others is if they have removed > some or all of the original car set that came with N2002. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FcvL8.66712$[email hidden]... > > It shows as a red #8 to me. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:rYuL8.3792$[email hidden]... > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did

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> > > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:bftL8.10251$[email hidden]... > > > > Hey Larry! > > > > > > > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the > > availibe > > > > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can > > > download > > > > it... > > > > > > > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and > > according > > > > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > > > > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > > > > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > -Larry > > > > Hey Larry! > > > > Just wanted to ask you if you could consider to switch one of the > > availibe > > > > RASCAR carnumbers - and then upload your car so the rest of us can > > > download > > > > it... > > > > On my PC you just drive around in a blue car with #8 on it.. and > > according > > > > to our rooster - #8 has been taken. > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > Would be so nice to see your real car online :-) > > > > (+ you might want to d/l the carset yourself! :-) > > > > Best regards, > > > > ed_

Oh, you don't WANT to have to live with my paint job :) I spent 11 years in the Navy. The first cruise I ever went on was a 7 monther in the Indian Ocean (during the hostage crisis). Since my particular rating wasn't a high priority over there, it was seen as a good time to 'spiffy' up our equipment spaces. I swear I laid 100 gallons of paint on that cruise, in 120 deg or hotter heat. I vowed from that day that if anyone ever MADE me paint something, I would purposely do it so bad that they would regret it for the rest of their lives :) In later years, after I made Chief, I always took volunteer's. There were plenty who liked to do it. I never forced anyone to pick up a paint brush. And THAT is how much I hate, and how bad I am, at painting. -Larry "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:tHwL8.10024$[email hidden]... > Which is the exact reason why everyone should submit their ownpaintjob...

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> :-) > > -- > ed_ > > "David G Fisher" <said: > > The reason it may not show as a red #8 to others is if they have removed > > some or all of the original car set that came with N2002. > > >

Cool! I wish I could duplicate Marine-Aqua :) -Larry "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" said > > I don't have a special car. > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did :) > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking car > for you :-) > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > -- > ed_ > > >

I'm not going to have time to resolve this by the next race. This is the first time I've ever had a complaint about using the #8, too. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> says... > > "Larry" said > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did:)

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> > > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking

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> > for you :-) > > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > > > You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind > (that's who has the number reserved). > > Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I'm sorry, but I still don't understand all of this. I went to the web pages, but can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. I can't find a specific listing of car numbers and who has them. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> says... > > "Larry" said > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did:)

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> > > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking

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> > for you :-) > > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > > > You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind > (that's who has the number reserved). > > Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

It's very simple. When you run in open races, you end up racing with a wide variety of skills and 'personalities'. It's hard enough to finish a race without an incident much less win one. -Larry "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wJvL8.16791$[email hidden]...

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> Whats the relationship between open/fixed and LPI? I see very little. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RUuL8.3786$[email hidden]... > > Won't work. Most of us run Open races too, and LPI is a useless number > when > > you run open races. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > news:adlbm9$637o$[email hidden]... > > > How about a LPI restriction instead? > > > > > > /Carl > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > John > > > > Simmons > > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > >Actully, the only way to REALLY fix the problem is to turn this > thing > > > > > >into an administered league with a spcific ruleset that everyone > must > > > > > >adhere to, along with an access-restricted server (through an > invite > > > > > >file). Like I stated earlier (and possibly in another thread), > > Eldred > > > > > >isn't up for that (and I really can't blame him). > > > > > > > > > > Do we really need *another* league? Aren't there enough out there > for > > > > people > > > > > who want the organized competition? There are probably 10 or more > > > > different > > > > > leagues that run every day... Just guessing, but there have to be

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> > > > known, them's the rules, they're not up for discussion. > > > > Keeps it simple, easy, etc. > > > > It really shouldn't be as involved as this thread. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"jason moyer" said: > Hey John, I see that #29 is still available. Can I get dibs on that? > > Since my league car (the #23) is taken and I don't feel like > repainting it, I'll just use the default Harvick car if that's ok. Just make a new player/driver with your name, the correct number and the Harvick paintjob and upload it to the forum and everything should be a-okay - afaik. :-) -- ed_

"Larry" wrote: > I'm sorry, but I still don't understand all of this. > > I went to the web pages, but can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. > > I can't find a specific listing of car numbers and who has them. Larry, Allow me to help; On the left side of John's RASCAR-page( www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ ) you'll see a bunch of numbers listed.. (0-9, 10-19 etc) Those links contain the currect cars/roster.. (click 'em and you'll soon see which number's are taken and which ain't) To give you a quick rundown... here are some of the free numbers: 01 to 04, 06 to 09 (please not that this is '08' and not '8'), 24, 26, 30, 32,34, 36 to 38, 40 to 42, 44, 46 to 48, 51, 52, 57, 58, 60, 62 to 65, 72, 73, 78, 79, 81 to 85, 92, 94, 95, 97 and 98. For availible numbers between 100 and 299 - see http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/100_199.html My suggestion is that you find a number you like and talk to John about it... I'm pretty sure he can paint a car for you and tell you how to use it. And if he for some reason cant - I can. No worries - it's not very complicated :-) -- ed_

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> On 06 Jun 2002 16:52:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> > > > >Eldred > > You know, that would be pretty cool. We could really kill ourselves > and do the 600 at Lowes. Come to think of it, after playing N4 and > N2002 almost constantly since their release I have never run a race > that is more than 50% in length. > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. >

I'd rather run 100% at Watkins Glen with cautions off (but damage on realistic. :) -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Hey John, I see that #29 is still available. Can I get dibs on that? > > Since my league car (the #23) is taken and I don't feel like > repainting it, I'll just use the default Harvick car if that's ok. > I need your sierra ID and country. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Hey John, I see that #29 is still available. Can I get dibs on that? > > Since my league car (the #23) is taken and I don't feel like > repainting it, I'll just use the default Harvick car if that's ok. > I need your sierra ID and country. If you're going to use Kevin Harvic's car, you need to copy that car file to something like 29_j_moyer.cup.car, and then go intoopponent manager and put your own name in the car file (don't forget to select the new file as your online car). I don't want to see "Kevin Harvic" on the grid on Saturday. Otherwise, you'll get an earful. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <XQVL8.13982$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I'm not going to have time to resolve this by the next race. > > This is the first time I've ever had a complaint about using the #8, too. > I wasn't in the last couple of races, but if I had been, you would jave had a complaint. In fact, you may have been in the last race I was in, and I recall someone asking if the #8 wasn't already taken. But beyond all that... You have plenty of time to resolve it. Just pick a different car number and upload a car when you have the time. If you want a car number with an "8" in it, the following car numbers are available: 08 38 48 (you could use the Lowes car that came with the game in the meantime) 58 78 98 See? That was easy. Next, if you're not going to use #48, you'll have to do a minimal paintjob for yourself until you come up with something appropriate. All you need to do is create a new car file and plaster your selected car number on it. Don't worry about uploading it (until your official paintjob is done) because the game will compensate for everyone else. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <VVVL8.14032$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I'm sorry, but I still don't understand all of this. I'll make it easy for you - check the roster to see if the deesired car number is in use. If you see the yellow text "Available" on a green rectangle, you can use that car number. > I went to the web pages, but can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. I thought I had spelled it out quite clearly. What part don't you understand? > I can't find a specific listing of car numbers and who has them. It's right there in plain sight. On the left pane, you'll see the word "Roster". To find out what you have to do, click that word. Once you read that, click the number pairs under the word "Roster". that cover the range of numbers that includes the number you think you want to use. For instance, if you think you'd like to use the number "8", click the number pair "0-9". The pane on the right side will change to show pics of all the cars currently in use for that number range (0 through 9). Well lookie there, someone already has the number "8" reserved. How can you tell? Because there is either a paintjob shown (with someone's name above it) or there's a white rectangle with a hand-drawn cartoon car indicating that no paintjob has been submitted yet. It's not that freakin hard. The next easiest thing I can do is just assign the damn car numbers, and I really don't feel like doing that.

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> > -Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > > <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> says... > > > "Larry" said > > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it did > :) > > > > > > > > What numbers are available. I can change, no problem. > > > > > > > > This is an area of NR I don't really follow or understand. > > > > > > > > > > > See http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar for availibe numbers.. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that if you ask John kindly he'll find a nice looking > car > > > for you :-) > > > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > > > > > > You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind > > (that's who has the number reserved). > > > > Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > > and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john

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John, Chill out. You don't have to be so condescending about this. I explained that this is something I've never done before. You need to have more patience with people. Read the new thread I've started. I'll take the #98. I'll start working on the car. I'll use the #48 and standard car until I have time to sort this out. Once I have the car done, I'll ask someone if I can't figure out what to do with it. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <VVVL8.14032$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > I'm sorry, but I still don't understand all of this. > > I'll make it easy for you - check the roster to see if the deesired car > number is in use. If you see the yellow text "Available" on a green > rectangle, you can use that car number. > > > I went to the web pages, but can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. > > I thought I had spelled it out quite clearly. What part don't you > understand? > > > I can't find a specific listing of car numbers and who has them. > > It's right there in plain sight. On the left pane, you'll see the word > "Roster". To find out what you have to do, click that word. Once you > read that, click the number pairs under the word "Roster". that cover > the range of numbers that includes the number you think you want to use. > For instance, if you think you'd like to use the number "8", click the > number pair "0-9". The pane on the right side will change to show pics > of all the cars currently in use for that number range (0 through 9). > Well lookie there, someone already has the number "8" reserved. How can > you tell? Because there is either a paintjob shown (with someone's name > above it) or there's a white rectangle with a hand-drawn cartoon car > indicating that no paintjob has been submitted yet. > > It's not that freakin hard. > > The next easiest thing I can do is just assign the damn car numbers, and > I really don't feel like doing that. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <sJwL8.10027$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > > > <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> says... > > > > "Larry" said > > > > > I don't have a special car. > > > > > > > > > > You mean it's not showing up as the red #8? I always thought it

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> > car > > > > for you :-) > > > > If not - talk to me and I'll try and help you. > > > > > > > > > You can't use the #8 unless you're really a guy named Travis Lind > > > (that's who has the number reserved). > > > > > > Like Ed said, go to the roster page here: > > > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > > > > and find a car number that's not already in use, and let me know here. > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > RASCAR Roster > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >It's not that freakin hard. > >The next easiest thing I can do is just assign the damn car numbers, and >I really don't feel like doing that. Come on, John - you can ease up a *bit* now. It's just a game, after all. No need to keep berating people. Please don't take this as meaning that we don't appreciate you keeping the roster/cars, etc. But you tend to be "over the top"... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On 06 Jun 2002 16:52:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>We *still* haven't done a full race with N2002...<g> >> >>Eldred > >You know, that would be pretty cool. We could really kill ourselves >and do the 600 at Lowes. Come to think of it, after playing N4 and >N2002 almost constantly since their release I have never run a race >that is more than 50% in length.

Me neither, in N2002. I ran a couple in N4. I started a full-length season, and I think I got to about the 6th race. Crashed out of 3... :( Eldred Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > Hey, I did a Monaco GP in the GPL league I belong to........in a Honda no >less !?!? Damn arms hurt after that, lol. > Let's do it ! :) Monaco? Effing SADIST...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I'd rather run 100% at Watkins Glen with cautions off (but damage on >realistic. :) Not until *I* can get around that track more than twice without crashing. Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it will take...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hehe. Me too :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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take...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yes, I would like to re-iterate what Eldred said. We DO appreciate what you do :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> appreciate you keeping the roster/cars, etc. But you tend to be "over the > top"... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What laptimes do you pull at glen? I've done a high 1.18, but usually I'm at 1.19 high Probably I just need to do a lot of laps there, but the damn car just doesn't seem built for it ;-) If you run decent laps, could you please post a replay? /Carl "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X94M8.20215$[email hidden]...

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> > Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it will > take...<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > The > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on

my > > webpage. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <aW1M8.19269$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John, > > Chill out. You don't have to be so condescending about this. Yeah, I do. Besides, I'm not being condescending. I am stating the facts as I see them. > I explained that this is something I've never done before. I always assume people have enough knowledge about a subject before jumping into it. If you needed help with a car, all you had to do was ask (as has been pointed out by others). I have several paintjobs ready for use (including a #98). > You need to have more patience with people. No, I don't. I'm old. I'm angry. I'm set in my ways. I refuse to change to fit other people's unreasonable ideas about who and what I should be. I'm from the old school. Learn it. Live it. As soon as yuou accept it, you'll probably find */something* to like about my attitude. One thing I can guarantee you is that you'll never have to guess how I feel about something. > Read the new thread I've started. I'll take the #98. I'll start working on > the car. I'll use the #48 and standard car until I have time to sort this > out. I did, and I've made a suggestion (but you'll have to read that thread, too). Now, where's that bowl of cornflakes? -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <aW1M8.19269$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > John, <Snip>

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> > You need to have more patience with people. > > No, I don't. I'm old. I'm angry. I'm set in my ways. I refuse to > change to fit other people's unreasonable ideas about who and what I > should be. I'm from the old school. Learn it. Live it. As soon as > yuou accept it, you'll probably find */something* to like about my > attitude. One thing I can guarantee you is that you'll never have to > guess how I feel about something.

<Snip> > Now, where's that bowl of cornflakes? > Gotta love the "Old School". My alma mater too. ;o) Elrikk (class of 44)

SierraID: jmoyer Country: USA It should show the sierra ID in the standings, but I'll change the name in the copied car file anyway. I'll use 29_j_moyer.cup.car since you suggested that. Thanks, John. Sorry if there is another way I'm supposed to be going about this rather than posting it on usenet. =) Jason John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Hey John, I see that #29 is still available. Can I get dibs on that? > > > > Since my league car (the #23) is taken and I don't feel like > > repainting it, I'll just use the default Harvick car if that's ok. > > > > I need your sierra ID and country. > > If you're going to use Kevin Harvic's car, you need to copy that car > file to something like 29_j_moyer.cup.car, and then go intoopponent > manager and put your own name in the car file (don't forget to select > the new file as your online car). > > I don't want to see "Kevin Harvic" on the grid on Saturday. Otherwise, > you'll get an earful. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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> SierraID: jmoyer > Country: USA > > It should show the sierra ID in the standings, but I'll change the > name in the copied car file anyway. I'll use 29_j_moyer.cup.car since > you suggested that. > > Thanks, John. Sorry if there is another way I'm supposed to be going > about this rather than posting it on usenet. =) >

Yer doin fine. Just upload the car file to racesimcentral, andyou'll be fine. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <33ZL8.719$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >To give you a quick rundown... here are some of the free numbers: > >01 to 04, 06 to 09 (please not that this is '08' and not '8'), 24, 26, #26 is no longer available...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I assure you, you _don't_ want anything from me regarding road courses :) I'm still a L0 there. I don't race enough to even move the skill level. -Larry "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adqvij$1jaff$[email hidden]...

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> What laptimes do you pull at glen? > I've done a high 1.18, but usually I'm at 1.19 high > Probably I just need to do a lot of laps there, but the damn car just > doesn't seem built for it ;-) > If you run decent laps, could you please post a replay? > > /Carl > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:X94M8.20215$[email hidden]... > > Hehe. Me too :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > > Simmons > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >I'd rather run 100% at Watkins Glen with cautions off (but damage on > > > >realistic. :) > > > > > > Not until *I* can get around that track more than twice without > crashing. > > > Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it will > > take...<g> > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > > The > > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on > my > > > webpage. > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > >

LOL, me too. I'm actually only interested to get a high level at SS right now. The drafting is where I get my kicks from. Anyway, I still want to do a low 1.17 or a high 1.16 in order to achieve a decent N2002 rank ;-) My idea was that I should do good enough times on the tracks I've driven, so that when I have driven all tracks my first rank would be negative. It seems much easier to get a negative rank in N2002 than GPL (where I'm 170 lol). /Carl "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T7tM8.29457$[email hidden]...

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> I assure you, you _don't_ want anything from me regarding road courses :) > > I'm still a L0 there. I don't race enough to even move the skill level. > > -Larry > > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adqvij$1jaff$[email hidden]... > > What laptimes do you pull at glen? > > I've done a high 1.18, but usually I'm at 1.19 high > > Probably I just need to do a lot of laps there, but the damn car just > > doesn't seem built for it ;-) > > If you run decent laps, could you please post a replay? > > > > /Carl > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:X94M8.20215$[email hidden]... > > > Hehe. Me too :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <[email hidden]>,

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> > > > >realistic. :) > > > > > > > > Not until *I* can get around that track more than twice without > > crashing. > > > > Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it will > > > take...<g> > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > -- > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer

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> > my > > > > webpage. > > > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > >

I used to like the SS's too, but I've grown weary of them since the new aero rules came out. Just doesn't have the thrill it used to. Except for the Coca-Cola Track. That's pretty cool :) I'm an 8 on SS's. Oddly, the Coca-Cola track score as a SW track. I've come to prefer the SW ovals. Dover, NC, Chicago, etc... I don't care much for the Cookie-Cutter tracks, but nowdays I find them more fun than the SS tracks since they have become so slow. -Larry "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adtngg$28cr9$[email hidden]... > LOL, me too. I'm actually only interested to get a high level at SS right > now. The drafting is where I get my kicks from. > Anyway, I still want to do a low 1.17 or a high 1.16 in order to achieve a > decent N2002 rank ;-) > My idea was that I should do good enough times on the tracks I've driven,so > that when I have driven all tracks my first rank would be negative. > It seems much easier to get a negative rank in N2002 than GPL (where I'm170

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> lol). > > /Carl > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:T7tM8.29457$[email hidden]... > > I assure you, you _don't_ want anything from me regarding road courses

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I used to like the SS's too, but I've grown weary of them since the new aero rules came out. Just doesn't have the thrill it used to. Except for the Coca-Cola Track. That's pretty cool :) I'm an 8 on SS's. Oddly, the Coca-Cola track score as a SW track. I've come to prefer the SW ovals. Dover, NC, Chicago, etc... I don't care much for the Cookie-Cutter tracks, but nowdays I find them more fun than the SS tracks since they have become so slow. -Larry > LOL, me too. I'm actually only interested to get a high level at SS right > now. The drafting is where I get my kicks from. > Anyway, I still want to do a low 1.17 or a high 1.16 in order to achieve a > decent N2002 rank ;-) > My idea was that I should do good enough times on the tracks I've driven, so > that when I have driven all tracks my first rank would be negative. > It seems much easier to get a negative rank in N2002 than GPL (where I'm 170

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> > > What laptimes do you pull at glen? > > > I've done a high 1.18, but usually I'm at 1.19 high > > > Probably I just need to do a lot of laps there, but the damn car just > > > doesn't seem built for it ;-) > > > If you run decent laps, could you please post a replay? > > > /Carl > > > > Hehe. Me too :) > > > > -Larry > John > > > > Simmons > > > > > >I'd rather run 100% at Watkins Glen with cautions off (but damage > on > > > > > >realistic. :) > > > > > Not until *I* can get around that track more than twice without > > > crashing. > > > > > Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it

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> > > > take...<g> > > > > > Eldred > > > > > -- > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer > research. > > > > The > > > > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted.

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I'm all new to Nascar, so I actually know nothing of any aero rules ;-) I just think that going full speed 2 rows, 4 to 6 cars, lap after lap is such a rush it's hard to describe. One cannot really compare it to some other kind of racing since it's simply not possible to run so close in another type of race. I ran a race in a (what felt like) completely flat oval. It probably wasn't, but it was very hard to the tires, and was a lot of fun. Probably I have much left to discover in Nascar. I'm looking forward to it :-) /Carl "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hnvM8.30194$[email hidden]... > I used to like the SS's too, but I've grown weary of them since the newaero > rules came out. Just doesn't have the thrill it used to. Except for the > Coca-Cola Track. That's pretty cool :) I'm an 8 on SS's. Oddly, the > Coca-Cola track score as a SW track. > > I've come to prefer the SW ovals. Dover, NC, Chicago, etc... I don'tcare > much for the Cookie-Cutter tracks, but nowdays I find them more fun thanthe

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> > on > > > > > > >realistic. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Not until *I* can get around that track more than twice without > > > > crashing. > > > > > > Since I never get a chance to practice WG, you see how long it > will > > > > > take...<g> > > > > > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer > > research. > > > > > The > > > > > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. > Details > > on > > > > my > > > > > > webpage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> In article <33ZL8.719$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >To give you a quick rundown... here are some of the free numbers: > > > >01 to 04, 06 to 09 (please not that this is '08' and not '8'), 24, 26, > > #26 is no longer available...<g> >

neither is #37 :-)