Momo wheel / MSFF pedals

OK - I like my MSFF's pedals. (best of the lot before you hit big �� land) - but I fancy a Momo wheel ( down to �99 at PC World - anyone know anywhere cheaper) As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does anyone know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? Cheers Doug

If you find out, let me know :) -Larry "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adg17e$110qlg$[email hidden]...

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> OK - I like my MSFF's pedals. (best of the lot before you hit big �� > land) - but I fancy a Momo wheel ( down to �99 at PC World - anyone know > anywhere cheaper) > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does anyone > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > Cheers > > Doug > >

> As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does anyone > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I have an MS FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet because of the bad pedals. It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo uses regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would need some electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a small microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be possible to calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half travel" bug. Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be quite expensive pedals like BRD. How much would you be willing to pay? :) Jone.

> How much would you be willing to pay? :) Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the momo wheel Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. I'm tempted Doug

Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to do is use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning combination. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]...

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> > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the momo > wheel > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > I'm tempted > > Doug > >

No doubting the Momo wheel is the best with FF. BUT - I'd rather just shell out the �99 for the wheel and use my lovely MSFF's pedals ( www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~djelliso/pedals.jpg - moi - modding my pedals - As if !) BUT - I may well go down the Momo - BRD-Pro route for about �220 all up DOug "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R3UK8.27764$[email hidden]... > Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to dois

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> use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning > combination. > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the momo > > wheel > > > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > > > I'm tempted > > > > Doug > > > > > >

Steve - Does the MOMO wheel and the BRD pedals work together "right out of the box", or would I need to find an electronics genius to make them work as a unit? Thanks, Todd "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R3UK8.27764$[email hidden]... > Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to dois

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> use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning > combination. > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the momo > > wheel > > > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > > > I'm tempted > > > > Doug > > > > > > >

No one has ever argued this point :) -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R3UK8.27764$[email hidden]... > Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to dois

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> use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning > combination. > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the momo > > wheel > > > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > > > I'm tempted > > > > Doug > > > > > >

> It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momouses > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the wheel. Norman "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adgk28$10m1h5$[email hidden]... > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - doesanyone > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > > > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I havean MS > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yetbecause of > the bad pedals. > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momouses > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You wouldneed some > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe asmall > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be possible to > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "halftravel" > bug. > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would bequite

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> expensive pedals like BRD. > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > Jone. > > >

"Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adhm4u$kpl$[email hidden]...

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> > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > uses > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. > > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the > wheel. >

It does? Should be quite easy then. Worst case you would have to change the pots to match the resistor value of the Momo pots. Jone.

Todd, It's electrical, not electronics (unless yer trying to mate MS's optical parts w. 3rd-party electrical pots - virtually impossible IMO). What should work right outta the box is hooking up the TSW or BRD pedals as a second controller ID in Windows (I think you need the little Radio Shack gameport-to-USB dongle). However, some games (I don't have a list) will recognize 2 controllers, some won't. I don't know about rewiring the BRD pedals, but it's not rocket science with the TSWs (I don't have a schematic). You can't use the MOMO pots because they go thru a much smaller arc than they do (mechanically) when mounted in the TSW pedal box, although if you are adept at editing the Registry, you could. Since Logi pots aren't noted for their longevity, you'd be better off using mil-spec pots of the proper resistance, which will last forever (the ones in my "other" controller, an ECCI, lasted for 4 years of daily use before needing ereplacement). The coolest part is the way the MOMO pedal pads look on the TSW pedal arms. TSW has the best customer of anybody in the computer business, IMO. --Steve "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LsUK8.111838$[email hidden]... > Steve - > > Does the MOMO wheel and the BRD pedals work together "right out of thebox",

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> or would I need to find an electronics genius to make them work as a unit? > > Thanks, > > Todd > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:R3UK8.27764$[email hidden]... > > Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to

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> is > > use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning > > combination. > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the

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> > > wheel > > > > > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > > > > > I'm tempted > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Then I'm wrong. "Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adhm4u$kpl$[email hidden]...

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> > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > uses > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. > > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the > wheel. > > Norman > > "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgk28$10m1h5$[email hidden]... > > > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does > anyone > > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > > > > > > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I have > an MS > > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet > because of > > the bad pedals. > > > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > uses > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would > need some > > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a > small > > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be possible to > > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half > travel" > > bug. > > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be > quite > > expensive pedals like BRD. > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > Jone. > > > > > > > >

Plus dope out the wiring diagram. "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adhs3r$10rmd9$[email hidden]...

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> > "Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adhm4u$kpl$[email hidden]... > > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > > uses > > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. > > > > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At > > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the > > wheel. > > > > It does? > Should be quite easy then. Worst case you would have to change the pots to > match the resistor value of the Momo pots. > > > Jone. > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rs2L8.1882$[email hidden]... > Then I'm wrong. Yeah - but you're allowed to be. Your book takes pride of place as #1 reading material in my mates bog :D Every time I go for a... On 2nd thoughts - dont think that Doug

Thx, Doug (blushes) "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adij19$10u9k4$[email hidden]...

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> > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rs2L8.1882$[email hidden]... > > Then I'm wrong. > > Yeah - but you're allowed to be. Your book takes pride of place as #1 > reading material in my mates bog :D > > Every time I go for a... > > On 2nd thoughts - dont think that > > Doug > >

Interesting, since the pedals only have 64 steps. -Larry "Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adhm4u$kpl$[email hidden]...

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> > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > uses > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. > > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the > wheel. > > Norman > > "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adgk28$10m1h5$[email hidden]... > > > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does > anyone > > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > > > > > > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I have > an MS > > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet > because of > > the bad pedals. > > > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo > uses > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would > need some > > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a > small > > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be possible to > > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half > travel" > > bug. > > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be > quite > > expensive pedals like BRD. > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > Jone. > > > > > > > >

Thanks Steve. I appreciate the information. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qr2L8.1876$[email hidden]... > Todd, > > It's electrical, not electronics (unless yer trying to mate MS's optical > parts w. 3rd-party electrical pots - virtually impossible IMO). > > What should work right outta the box is hooking up the TSW or BRD pedalsas > a second controller ID in Windows (I think you need the little Radio Shack > gameport-to-USB dongle). However, some games (I don't have a list) will > recognize 2 controllers, some won't. I don't know about rewiring the BRD > pedals, but it's not rocket science with the TSWs (I don't have a > schematic). You can't use the MOMO pots because they go thru a muchsmaller > arc than they do (mechanically) when mounted in the TSW pedal box,although > if you are adept at editing the Registry, you could. Since Logi potsaren't > noted for their longevity, you'd be better off using mil-spec pots of the > proper resistance, which will last forever (the ones in my "other" > controller, an ECCI, lasted for 4 years of daily use before needing > ereplacement). > > The coolest part is the way the MOMO pedal pads look on the TSW pedalarms.

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> > TSW has the best customer of anybody in the computer business, IMO. > > --Steve > > "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LsUK8.111838$[email hidden]... > > Steve - > > > > Does the MOMO wheel and the BRD pedals work together "right out of the > box", > > or would I need to find an electronics genius to make them work as a

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> > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:R3UK8.27764$[email hidden]... > > > Hell-O! The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO. All you need to > do > > is > > > use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning > > > combination. > > > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:adgu1k$10oqff$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > > > > > Well - �120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the �100 for the > momo > > > > wheel > > > > > > > > Or �250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and �100 on top for the Momo wheel. > > > > > > > > I'm tempted > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Interesting, since the pedals only have 64 steps. The wheel firmware can do anything it wants with the pot signal. They are just sampling with 64 levels. Norman "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AT8L8.815$[email hidden]...

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> Interesting, since the pedals only have 64 steps. > > -Larry > > "Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adhm4u$kpl$[email hidden]... > > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The

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> > uses > > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. > > > > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At > > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the > > wheel. > > > > Norman > > > > "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:adgk28$10m1h5$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so -

does > > anyone > > > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momowheel? > > > > > > > > > > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. Ihave > > an MS > > > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet > > because of > > > the bad pedals. > > > > > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. Themomo > > uses > > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would > > need some > > > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a > > small > > > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even bepossible to

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> > > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half > > travel" > > > bug. > > > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be > > quite > > > expensive pedals like BRD. > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :) > > > > > > Jone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Worse than crap is an understatement. If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and surgery. For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the pedal unit first... Yesterday I officially gave up trying to use the MOMO pedals for simming. I gutted my TM F1(NASCAR) Pro wheel to be able to use the pedals from that without having the wheel connected. I've now got MOMO on controller 1, TM F1 Pro on controller 2 using gameport, USB shifter on controller 3, butchered T2 pedals as clutch through Rockfire gamepost-USB converter as controller 4. Thank goodness Papy know how to handle controllers properly. FWIW, the TM F1 Pro pedals are the best non-exotica that I've used, and it was only going back to them that I realised how cruddy the MOMO setup is. The wheel is pretty sweet for 99 notes, but when you've already got an MS? Just a couple of months ago PC World had it for �150 so I thought I got a bargain at �120 on the 'net. I much prefer buying hardware over the counter :( Best of luck whatever you decide to do, Doug. Mark Reading, UK "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<adg17e$110qlg$[email hidden]>...

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> OK - I like my MSFF's pedals. (best of the lot before you hit big �� > land) - but I fancy a Momo wheel ( down to �99 at PC World - anyone know > anywhere cheaper) > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - does anyone > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > Cheers > > Doug

Mark, <<If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and surgery. For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the pedal unit first...>> Nope. I sent the MOMO setup to TSW and they did the conversion. Easy as falling off a log. Like I say: TSW has the best customer service in the computer biz. --Steve "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Worse than crap is an understatement. > > If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one > controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and > surgery. For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the > pedal unit first... > Yesterday I officially gave up trying to use the MOMO pedals for > simming. I gutted my TM F1(NASCAR) Pro wheel to be able to use the > pedals from that without having the wheel connected. > I've now got MOMO on controller 1, TM F1 Pro on controller 2 using > gameport, USB shifter on controller 3, butchered T2 pedals as clutch > through Rockfire gamepost-USB converter as controller 4. > Thank goodness Papy know how to handle controllers properly. > > FWIW, the TM F1 Pro pedals are the best non-exotica that I've used, > and it was only going back to them that I realised how cruddy the MOMO > setup is. > > The wheel is pretty sweet for 99 notes, but when you've already got an > MS? Just a couple of months ago PC World had it for �150 so I thought > I got a bargain at �120 on the 'net. I much prefer buying hardware > over the counter :( > > Best of luck whatever you decide to do, Doug. > > Mark > Reading, UK > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<adg17e$110qlg$[email hidden]>... > > OK - I like my MSFF's pedals. (best of the lot before you hit big �� > > land) - but I fancy a Momo wheel ( down to �99 at PC World - anyone know > > anywhere cheaper) > > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than crap - so - doesanyone > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel? > > > > Cheers > > > > Doug

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> Mark, > > <<If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one > controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and > surgery. For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the > pedal unit first...>> > > Nope. I sent the MOMO setup to TSW and they did the conversion. Easy as > falling off a log. Like I say: TSW has the best customer service in the > computer biz. > > --Steve >

So that's TSW pedals with MOMO wheel working as one controller? Cool. But I'm pretty sure they'd refuse to wire up a set of MS pedals to a MOMO unless you ponied up a prohibitive amount of moolah... ;-) Out of interest what -did- it cost? Wonder if BRD would do similar with their Speed 7 three pedal rig... Anyone know what the maximum amount of axes is on a single controller? Could you have steering, gas, brake and clutch on one device? Mark Reading, UK