Saturday's Pocono Race - Lap Times

Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times so we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this :) I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps right now. Where does that fit in with everyone else? BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too much camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're screwed for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting the turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't brake late here! Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on the right side for turn exits. And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of it. Engine runs too cool. The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT better. -Larry

Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap timesso

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> we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this :) > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps right > now. > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too

much > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're screwed > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting the > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don'tbrake > late here! > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" onthe > right side for turn exits. > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough ofit.

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> Engine runs too cool. > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > better. > > -Larry > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap timesso

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> we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this :) > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps right > now. > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too

much > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're screwed > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting the > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don'tbrake > late here! > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" onthe > right side for turn exits. > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough ofit.

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> Engine runs too cool. > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > better. > > -Larry

Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :) If by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw. Your times aren't bad. -John > >

Almost forgot. If I remember correctly, I tried not to drop below 135 in T1, 145 in T2, and 125 in T3. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]...

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> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times > so > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this

:) > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent lapsright

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> > now. > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > much > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're

screwed > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hittingthe

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> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > brake > > late here! > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on > the > > right side for turn exits. > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of > it. > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > better. > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth... Glad I looked :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]...

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> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times > so > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this

:) > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent lapsright

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> > now. > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > much > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're

screwed > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hittingthe

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> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > brake > > late here! > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on > the > > right side for turn exits. > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of > it. > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > better. > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

Never mind. Forgive my stupidity. I didn't notice at first that it was broken down by session :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]...

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> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times > so > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this

:) > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent lapsright

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> > now. > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > much > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're

screwed > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hittingthe

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> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > brake > > late here! > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on > the > > right side for turn exits. > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of > it. > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > better. > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) I guess I'll have to change that. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]...

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> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times > so > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this

:) > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent lapsright

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> > now. > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > much > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're

screwed > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hittingthe

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> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > brake > > late here! > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on > the > > right side for turn exits. > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of > it. > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > better. > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

That's why I'm practicing, to adapt :) I sure can't stomp the pedal. The camber in the RF induces a lockup due to the reduced tire patch. Or so I figure... -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times > so > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this

:) > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent lapsright

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> > now. > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > much > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're

screwed > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hittingthe

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> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > brake > > late here! > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on > the > > right side for turn exits. > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of > it. > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > better. > > > > -Larry > > Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :)

If

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> by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you > want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw. > > Your times aren't bad. > > -John > > > > > >

Where are you braking ? If not using it, try the last sign on your right, as you approach the turn. If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly. -John "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6RgL8.2913$[email hidden]... > That's why I'm practicing, to adapt :) > > I sure can't stomp the pedal. The camber in the RF induces a lockup dueto

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> the reduced tire patch. Or so I figure... > > -Larry > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap

times > > so > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out ofthis

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> :) > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps > right > > > now. > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > > much > > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're > screwed > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting > the > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > > brake > > > late here! > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2"

on > > the > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enoughof

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> > it. > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > > better. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :) > If > > by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you > > want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw. > > > > Your times aren't bad. > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > >

Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It will convert time or speed. I also was having trouble getting much over 161.1's so I watched replays of a practice race we had 2night of the fastest guys on a fixed practice server. They start braking at the 2nd marker in turns 1 & 3 & 5. For turns 1 & 3 stay along the wall and brake lightly to about to the next marker then let off the brakes and drop the car into the banking, working it down by the apex then back on the gas at the apex. In turn 5 brake harder at the marker and try to keep the car in the dark pavement letting off the brake just before you turn and coast to the apex then get back on the gas. After about 15 laps of trying this I was able to get low 162's and in qual setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put me on the pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed. Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html FatnSlo "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PPgL8.2912$[email hidden]...

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> Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > > I guess I'll have to change that. > > -Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap

times > > so > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out ofthis

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> :) > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps > right > > > now. > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too > > much > > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up > > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're > screwed > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting > the > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't > > brake > > > late here! > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2"

on > > the > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enoughof

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> > it. > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT > > > better. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:14:29 GMT, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > Hi Larry, that's exactly the question that N2002Rank is meant to answer (shameless plug ;-), that's why I asked RASCAR drivers to please register with N2002Rank a couple of days ago. Just put them on your buddy list and select "Pocono" from the track list, and you'll get an idea how fast everyone is going (you can also choose to view qualifying lap times only) cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>... > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times so > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. I forget if RASCAR uses random weather or not, but. At 70 degrees no wind I'd aim for 54.9-55.1 range. 55.5's and faster should be competitive, but the front runners will likely be pulling 55.0's until the tires turn yellow, in my experience. When building my own setup for Pocono, I've found that the only real changes it needed were dropping the spoiler to 45 degrees (takes care of the uber-tightness and gives you several extra mph at all 3 braking points) As far as braking points go, I can run around 50 flat simply braking at the #2 brake markers at each turn and coasting to the apex once the groove darkens. My acceleration points are - turn 1, sometime after i can see the pocono sign but before i reach it - turn 2, between the read 'nascar racing' logo on the wall and the rainbow 'NASCAR' logo - turn 3, either the red sign (second to last) or the very last sign. Coming out of turn 3 is the most likely place to lose control of the car, so make sure you're counter steering a bit on the exit. The 'hammer the gas' points tend to very for me depending on how well I hit the line. If you hit it just perfectly you can get on the gas much earlier than you expect, if you're a tiny bit low or a tiny bit high you need to hold off in both turns (unlike most ovals where you can usually get on the gas really early if you miss the entrance on the low side). I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd still aim for low 50's at the worst. Jason

In article <FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. It's pointless to complain about the setup. What is a good setup for one person is a crappy one for someone else. IMHO, if a given driver isn't comfortable with the setup, he can always sit the race out. There is no shame in that. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Whadday mean; "depending upon how you look at it"?? The track got 3 turns: no more - no less. Period. :-) -- ed_ "John Pancoast" said: > > If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you > look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but N2002 rank grab the player records at each track right? Well in that case it's not going to give a very accurate picture of how fast people are. RASCAR use fixed 'fast' setup from Papy - and we all know that those setups have never been very fast. Anyone who's ever downloaded to someother setups from the net is likely to have better records than what achiveable with the 'fast' setups. Thus the ranking can be giving a *very* false reading. -- ed_ "Uwe Schuerkamp" said: > that's exactly the question that N2002Rank is meant to answer > (shameless plug ;-), that's why I asked RASCAR drivers to > please register with N2002Rank a couple of days ago.

Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3OgL8.2908$[email hidden]... > Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth... 9th in *Practice*... 3rd in *Race* > Glad I looked :) Maybe look again?... ;-)

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> -Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > David G Fisher

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9th in *Practice*... 3rd in *Race* Maybe look again?... ;-)

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> -Larry > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > David G Fisher

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Maybe *I* should read more b4 posting?... ;-/ Brian B.Farmer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kfnL8.80$[email hidden]...

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> Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3OgL8.2908$[email hidden]... > > Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth... > > 9th in *Practice*... 3rd in *Race* > > > Glad I looked :) > > Maybe look again?... ;-) > > > -Larry > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we

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> > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > David G Fisher > <snip> > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar John - The server is now called RASCAR, and we're going to stick with 1 40% race a week for a while. Could you update the website to reflect that, please? Thanks. Also, I need to talk to you about painting a car for me...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd >still aim for low 50's at the worst. Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > Where are you braking ? If not using it, try the last sign on your right, >as you approach the turn. >T3? Braking at the last sign on the right puts me into the wall. I have to brake at LEAST at the 2ns sign - preferably the 1st one... > If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you >look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly. I have to brake there, otherwise I can't make the turn. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Lol, that's what I think too, but some like to think it has six turns :) -John "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bLlL8.667$[email hidden]...

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> Whadday mean; "depending upon how you look at it"?? > The track got 3 turns: no more - no less. > Period. :-) > -- > ed_ > > > "John Pancoast" said: > > > > If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how

you > > look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let offslightly. > >

Plus, hotlapping doesn't mean a whole lot vs. race conditions. -John "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0QlL8.668$[email hidden]... > Correct me if I'm wrong, but N2002 rank grab the player records at each > track right? > Well in that case it's not going to give a very accurate picture of howfast > people are. > > RASCAR use fixed 'fast' setup from Papy - and we all know that thosesetups > have never been very fast. Anyone who's ever downloaded to someothersetups > from the net is likely to have better records than what achiveable withthe

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> 'fast' setups. Thus the ranking can be giving a *very* false reading. > > -- > ed_ > > > "Uwe Schuerkamp" said: > > > that's exactly the question that N2002Rank is meant to answer > > (shameless plug ;-), that's why I asked RASCAR drivers to > > please register with N2002Rank a couple of days ago. > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I > >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd > >still aim for low 50's at the worst. > > Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... > > Eldred

ditto! dh

This should be the second sign, my mistake; the one in line with the beginning of the black rubber groove marks. You need to be able to use that one easily. -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Where are you braking ? If not using it, try the last sign on yourright, > >as you approach the turn. > > > T3? Braking at the last sign on the right puts me into the wall. I haveto

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> brake at LEAST at the 2ns sign - preferably the 1st one... > > > If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you > >look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly. > > I have to brake there, otherwise I can't make the turn. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Couldn't agree more. -- ed_ "John Pancoast" wrote: > Plus, hotlapping doesn't mean a whole lot vs. race conditions. >

Couldn't agree more. -- ed_ > Plus, hotlapping doesn't mean a whole lot vs. race conditions.

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > This should be the second sign, my mistake; the one in line with the >beginning of the black rubber groove marks. You need to be able to use that >one easily. Easily, he says...sheesh! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> This should be the second sign, my mistake; the one in line with the >beginning of the black *** groove marks. You need to be able to use that >one easily. Easily, he says...sheesh! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:01:38 +0200, Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Couldn't agree more. > > -- > ed_ > > > "John Pancoast" wrote: >> Plus, hotlapping doesn't mean a whole lot vs. race conditions. >> >

Yep, because you're a lot faster in the race because of drafting. the manual states that you should try to get some laps under your belt before you start tweaking with the setups, and N2002rank is really not a hotlapping site because your fastest laps will usually be driven under race conditions, with a fast driver slightly ahead of you, pulling you around the track. I know it happened to me last night at Talladega ;-) So talking of "hotlapping" in N2002 is a bit strange, I think. Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is no way you can qualify as fast as when you draft. On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use 100% grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower top speed combined with an unrestricted engine. "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:01:38 +0200, Ed Solheim <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > Couldn't agree more. > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > > "John Pancoast" wrote: > >> Plus, hotlapping doesn't mean a whole lot vs. race conditions. > >> > > > > Yep, because you're a lot faster in the race because of > drafting. > > the manual states that you should try to get some laps under > your belt before you start tweaking with the setups, and > N2002rank is really not a hotlapping site because your fastest > laps will usually be driven under race conditions, with a fast > driver slightly ahead of you, pulling you around the track. > > I know it happened to me last night at Talladega ;-) > > So talking of "hotlapping" in N2002 is a bit strange, I think. > > Cheers, > > uwe > > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Thanks! That track plan is basically what the training session does as well. -Larry "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LFjL8.113442$[email hidden]... > Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It will > convert time or speed. > > I also was having trouble getting much over 161.1's so I watched replaysof > a practice race we had 2night of the fastest guys on a fixed practice > server. They start braking at the 2nd marker in turns 1 & 3 & 5. For turns1 > & 3 stay along the wall and brake lightly to about to the next marker then > let off the brakes and drop the car into the banking, working it down bythe > apex then back on the gas at the apex. In turn 5 brake harder at themarker > and try to keep the car in the dark pavement letting off the brake just > before you turn and coast to the apex then get back on the gas. > > After about 15 laps of trying this I was able to get low 162's and in qual > setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put me onthe

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> pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed. > > Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html > > FatnSlo > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PPgL8.2912$[email hidden]... > > Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > > > > I guess I'll have to change that. > > > > -Larry > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we

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> > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap > times > > > so > > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of > this > > :) > > > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps > > right > > > > now. > > > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is

too > > > much > > > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lockup > > > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're > > screwed > > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep fromhitting > > the > > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up.Don't

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> > > brake > > > > late here! > > > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" > on > > > the > > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not

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> of > > > it. > > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a

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> > > > better. > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LAST sign on the right? Good gried, that would put me into the wall for sure :) I'm talking about the final corner before the straight. The flat one. The one with all the wrecked race cars piled up behind the wall :) You have to brake at marker 2 at this corner. -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Where are you braking ? If not using it, try the last sign on yourright,

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> as you approach the turn. > > If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you > look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly. > > -John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6RgL8.2913$[email hidden]... > > That's why I'm practicing, to adapt :) > > > > I sure can't stomp the pedal. The camber in the RF induces a lockup due > to > > the reduced tire patch. Or so I figure... > > > > -Larry > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap > times > > > so > > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of > this > > :) > > > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps > > right > > > > now. > > > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is

too > > > much > > > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lockup > > > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're > > screwed > > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep fromhitting > > the > > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up.Don't

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> > > brake > > > > late here! > > > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" > on > > > the > > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not

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LOT > > > > better. > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun:) > > If > > > by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp allyou

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> > > want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw. > > > > > > Your times aren't bad. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks :) -Larry "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:14:29 GMT, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > Hi Larry, > > that's exactly the question that N2002Rank is meant to answer > (shameless plug ;-), that's why I asked RASCAR drivers to > please register with N2002Rank a couple of days ago. > > Just put them on your buddy list and select "Pocono" from the > track list, and you'll get an idea how fast everyone is going > (you can also choose to view qualifying lap times only) > > cheers, > > uwe > > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Those aren't while running the stock fast setup. That's his own setup. At least I hope so! If he's running 50 flat with the stock fast setup, not only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first thing in the morning :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I > >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd > >still aim for low 50's at the worst. > > Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Not a complaint, just an observation. My goodness :) -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. > > It's pointless to complain about the setup. What is a good setup for > one person is a crappy one for someone else. IMHO, if a given driver > isn't comfortable with the setup, he can always sit the race out. There > is no shame in that. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

See my follow on message. -Larry "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kfnL8.80$[email hidden]...

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> Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3OgL8.2908$[email hidden]... > > Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth... > > 9th in *Practice*... 3rd in *Race* > > > Glad I looked :) > > Maybe look again?... ;-) > > > -Larry > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we

ran > > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > David G Fisher > <snip> > >

:) -Larry "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yLnL8.112$[email hidden]...

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> Maybe *I* should read more b4 posting?... ;-/ > > Brian > > B.Farmer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kfnL8.80$[email hidden]... > > Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3OgL8.2908$[email hidden]... > > > Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth... > > > > 9th in *Practice*... 3rd in *Race* > > > > > Glad I looked :) > > > > Maybe look again?... ;-) > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we > ran > > > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > <snip> > > > > > > > >

Done. I might be able to get to the car pic updating sometime this week, but no promises. We're dog-sitting and just got a new puppy ourselves, so my hands are kinda full most every day right now. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > John - > The server is now called RASCAR, and we're going to stick with 1 40% race a > week for a while. Could you update the website to reflect that, please? > Thanks. > > Also, I need to talk to you about painting a car for me...<g> > > Eldred >

-- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I did a 55.3 just now after about 15 minutes of practice with the stock fast setup. Haven't been there since the last Pocono RASCAR race. I'd guess someone could do a flat 55 with this setup. Like I said before, everyone should check out the RASCAR site and look at the times that were done there in the last race to get an idea of what is competitive. If someone wants the replay of the lap just e-mail me at [email hidden] These cars really handle like boats unless on a track with high banking and wide turns. 8-( David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:P6vL8.3799$[email hidden]...

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> Those aren't while running the stock fast setup. That's his own setup. > > At least I hope so! If he's running 50 flat with the stock fast setup, not > only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first > thing in the morning :) > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > > > >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > > >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > > >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I > > >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd > > >still aim for low 50's at the worst. > > > > Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > The > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on

my > > webpage. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Done. I might be able to get to the car pic updating sometime this >week, but no promises. We're dog-sitting and just got a new puppy >ourselves, so my hands are kinda full most every day right now. *Literally*?<g> Ok, thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <P6vL8.3799$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Those aren't while running the stock fast setup. That's his own setup. > >At least I hope so! If he's running 50 flat with the stock fast setup, not >only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first >thing in the morning :) > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >> >> >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the >> >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the >> >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range.

Read his last lind again, Larry...<g> He's still more than a second faster than me with the SAME setup. His "low 50's" with his own setup probably means a 53 or so... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yeah, sometimes I can type. =) I meant to say that low 55's are a good range to shoot for at 70 degrees no wind. Really, I think any time below 56 will keep you competitive and on the lead lap. As far as the pole, assuming we're using the fast setup for qual instead of the qualifying setup, I would expect something around 55.4-5. I can pull 54.9/55.0 after 3-4 laps when the tires are properly heated, but the fast setup is tigher than a [sexual metaphor deleted] after a [sexual metaphor deleted] until the tires warm up. I think my first timed lap using the fast setup is generally in the 55.8-56.0 range and the second anywhere from 55.1 to 55.5 depending on how well I hit the line. And, honestly, I'm not a very good sim racer, so I'd assume someone will best those times. Jason "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<P6vL8.3799$[email hidden]>...

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> Those aren't while running the stock fast setup. That's his own setup. > > At least I hope so! If he's running 50 flat with the stock fast setup, not > only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first > thing in the morning :) > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > > > >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > > >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > > >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I > > >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd > > >still aim for low 50's at the worst. > > > > Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > The > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > > webpage. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

My advice (and this is true at almost any track, I'm guessing papyrus did this on purpose) is to start braking when the groove starts to darken (at Pocono, this is always at the 2nd brake marker) and ease off the brake until you're completely off when the darker groove which marks the beginning of the turn starts. Another good tip, is to just load up the driving lessons and jump straight to the third section (i.e. the full-speed lap). Look for reference points for brake/gas. Most of the time when you see the guy in the driving lesson ease on the gas, you can actually hammer it by that point. For instance, at Pocono in turn 2 (the tunnel turn) the guy doesn't really get on the gas until the multi-colored "NASCAR" sign, but with good warm tires and a perfectly positioned car you can usually literally go from 0 to 100% throttle well before that, even at the red "NASCAR RACING" sign. As a side note, since Pocono is my home/favorite track, I wish Papyrus would model the bump in turn 2. In real life it's incredibly easy to lose the back end midway through the turn (which is why everyone says it's so treacherous) because of the bump where the tunnel is. They've done a good job modelling bumps at other tracks (like the dip at the wall out of 4 at Daytona and the tank-slappers low in turn 1 at Atlanta and Charlotte) so I'm hoping N2003 gets it right. Or maybe it's there and I'm too busy concentrating on my throttle point to notice? Jason "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<j%uL8.3794$[email hidden]>...

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> Thanks! > > That track plan is basically what the training session does as well. > > -Larry > > "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LFjL8.113442$[email hidden]... > > Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It will > > convert time or speed. > > > > I also was having trouble getting much over 161.1's so I watched replays > of > > a practice race we had 2night of the fastest guys on a fixed practice > > server. They start braking at the 2nd marker in turns 1 & 3 & 5. For turns > 1 > > & 3 stay along the wall and brake lightly to about to the next marker then > > let off the brakes and drop the car into the banking, working it down by > the > > apex then back on the gas at the apex. In turn 5 brake harder at the > marker > > and try to keep the car in the dark pavement letting off the brake just > > before you turn and coast to the apex then get back on the gas. > > > > After about 15 laps of trying this I was able to get low 162's and in qual > > setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put me on > the > > pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed. > > > > Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html > > > > FatnSlo > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PPgL8.2912$[email hidden]... > > > Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > > > > > > I guess I'll have to change that. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we > ran > > > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself > > > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap > times > so > > > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of > this > ) > > > > > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps > right > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is > too > much > > > > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock > up > > > > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're > screwed > > > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from > hitting > the > > > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. > Don't > brake > > > > > late here! > > > > > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" > on > the > > > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not > enough > of > it. > > > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a > LOT > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>... Here ya go larry. A replay of a 55.325 at 70 0 wind and the fast setup. This is a few tenths slower than it is possible to do because: 1. I had a bad run out of 3. Notice I'm only doing 155 when the replay starts, while at the end of the lap I hit the same spot at over 160. 2. I was driving with one hand/one foot, sitting next to my wheel/pedals. I just put this together to show you a decent braking/throttle/line example. 3. It's 3AM for christ's sake. Give me a break. :) On the other hand, I think it's pretty good, except for the bad previous laps and a little bit too much tire scrub in 2 (no good at braking with one foot, so I was a little hot going in). http://firebrand11.stargate.net/pocono_eh.rpy Notice that in all 3 turns I'm pretty much going from 0 throttle to 100% instantly and without sliding. Can't do that at every track, but it seems to work here with this setup. Jason

The one I offered him farther up in the thread is much, much faster. A whole 10/1000 of a second faster. Your slowness is going to cause wrecks on Saturday. :-) I screwed up a bit too so that's why I said that it should be possible to do a 55.0 lap with the fast setup. David G Fisher "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>...

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> > Here ya go larry. A replay of a 55.325 at 70 0 wind and the fast > setup. > > This is a few tenths slower than it is possible to do because: > > 1. I had a bad run out of 3. Notice I'm only doing 155 when the > replay starts, while at the end of the lap I hit the same spot at over > 160. > 2. I was driving with one hand/one foot, sitting next to my > wheel/pedals. I just put this together to show you a decent > braking/throttle/line example. > 3. It's 3AM for christ's sake. Give me a break. :) > > On the other hand, I think it's pretty good, except for the bad > previous laps and a little bit too much tire scrub in 2 (no good at > braking with one foot, so I was a little hot going in). > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/pocono_eh.rpy > > Notice that in all 3 turns I'm pretty much going from 0 throttle to > 100% instantly and without sliding. Can't do that at every track, but > it seems to work here with this setup. > > Jason

Well, if the training says the same then it works. On the FB, Pro Oscar stock division server tonight I q'd 3rd with a161.990 (Pole was 163.251 with 19 drivers), I led the last 33 laps and won under yellow. My fastest race lap was 163.032 which is my best ever. Key to winning though was getting out my calculator during yellows and figuring out what the average gallon usage was and pitting early enough (70 lap race). I pitted earlier than most leaders and my calculations were so close that I was able to win with about 1 gallon to go. Risky doing that though because later in the race there can be more green flag racing due to people who have quit or been dumped and it can change the average LPG under green/yellow. Watching replays of the race I think many people try to use less brakes in 1 & 2 (meaning 3 turn track) than I do which is faster, but riskier. Getting 163.9's at 70 deg would require doing this I think but I am not good enough to even try and I would surely spin it trying to do it during a race so my hat's off to the guys who can do it consistently. Steve Adams "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j%uL8.3794$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks! > > That track plan is basically what the training session does as well. > > -Larry > > "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LFjL8.113442$[email hidden]... > > Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It

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> > setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put me on > the > > pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed. > > > > Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html > > > > FatnSlo > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PPgL8.2912$[email hidden]... > > > Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > > > > > > I guess I'll have to change that. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we > ran > > > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people

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> > > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap > > times > > > > so > > > > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > > > > > > > > > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of > > this > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :) > > > > > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent

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> > on > > > > the > > > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not > enough > > of > > > > it. > > > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a > LOT > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Checking this months rankings in Oscar/Flashpoint the fastest Q I saw for Pocono was 164.990 or 54.54. Makes me wonder how ridiculous the worlds fastest q is for this track with fixed setup. Steve Adams "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gfGL8.180301$L76.263662@rwcrnsc53... > Well, if the training says the same then it works. On the FB, Pro Oscar > stock division server tonight I q'd 3rd with a161.990 (Pole was 163.251with > 19 drivers), I led the last 33 laps and won under yellow. My fastest race > lap was 163.032 which is my best ever. Key to winning though was gettingout > my calculator during yellows and figuring out what the average gallonusage > was and pitting early enough (70 lap race). I pitted earlier than most > leaders and my calculations were so close that I was able to win withabout > 1 gallon to go. Risky doing that though because later in the race therecan > be more green flag racing due to people who have quit or been dumped andit > can change the average LPG under green/yellow. Watching replays of therace > I think many people try to use less brakes in 1 & 2 (meaning 3 turn track) > than I do which is faster, but riskier. Getting 163.9's at 70 deg would > require doing this I think but I am not good enough to even try and Iwould > surely spin it trying to do it during a race so my hat's off to the guyswho

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> can do it consistently. > > Steve Adams > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j%uL8.3794$[email hidden]... > > Thanks! > > > > That track plan is basically what the training session does as well. > > > > -Larry > > > > "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:LFjL8.113442$[email hidden]... > > > Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It > will > > > convert time or speed. > > > > > > I also was having trouble getting much over 161.1's so I watched

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by > > the > > > apex then back on the gas at the apex. In turn 5 brake harder at the > > marker > > > and try to keep the car in the dark pavement letting off the brakejust > > > before you turn and coast to the apex then get back on the gas. > > > > > > After about 15 laps of trying this I was able to get low 162's and in > qual > > > setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put meon

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> > the > > > pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed. > > > > > > Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html > > > > > > FatnSlo > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:PPgL8.2912$[email hidden]... > > > > Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > > > > > > > > I guess I'll have to change that. > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:_ngL8.123284$[email hidden]... > > > > > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time

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> > ran > > > > > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:FegL8.2883$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people > (myself > > > > > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's. > > > > > > > > > > > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent > laps > > > > right > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does that fit in with everyone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There

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> > > > screwed > > > > > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from > > hitting > > > > the > > > > > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. > > Don't > > > > > brake > > > > > > late here! > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about > 1/2" > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > right side for turn exits. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not > > enough > > > of > > > > > it. > > > > > > Engine runs too cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do

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On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:54:07 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :) > >I guess I'll have to change that. > >-Larry > (Track Distance X 3600) / Time in Sec = MPH Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

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>LAST sign on the right? Good gried, that would put me into the wall for >sure :) > >I'm talking about the final corner before the straight. The flat one. The >one with all the wrecked race cars piled up behind the wall :) > >You have to brake at marker 2 at this corner. > >-Larry >

Unless of course you are racing on one of Papy's open servers in which case you can apparently stay on the throttle 100% all the way through the turn even if you are 3 wide. Actually I have a pretty good rythm for turn 3, there is a red part of the wall right before the markers. As soon as I pass that I count 1, 2 then brake. By the way if you are going to pass someone here on the inside, be prepaired to get on the brakes hard, it does'nt take much to drift up into someone in the corner. Besides the guy on the outside will either let you go or will over drive the turn if he trys to stay with you through the turn. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

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>On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is no way >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use 100% >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower top >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > >

Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because the Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be so dramtically faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part of lap times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than I can ever turn in Qualifying. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

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>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>... >> Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself >> included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times so >> we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday. > >I forget if RASCAR uses random weather or not, but. > >At 70 degrees no wind I'd aim for 54.9-55.1 range. 55.5's and faster >should be competitive, but the front runners will likely be pulling >55.0's until the tires turn yellow, in my experience.

I had a pickup race with open setups at Pocono the other day and this one guy was turning 54.0 lap times during practice. He was a full second ahead of the second place car. I don't know if he was running a qual setup AND drafting or what but it was pretty un-real. A discussion took place and it was suggested that he sell his setup on ebay. He declined but did say it would probably be pretty hard for most people to drive since it had a roll couple around 65. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

The one good thing about using the FAST setup is that everyone should pretty much be able to drive them since they tend to be on the very tight side. Brian Oster On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:14:24 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... > >> BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. > >It's pointless to complain about the setup. What is a good setup for >one person is a crappy one for someone else. IMHO, if a given driver >isn't comfortable with the setup, he can always sit the race out. There >is no shame in that. > > >-- >========================================================= >DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons >DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 >RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar >Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john >Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > >If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown >above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. >=========================================================

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Yes, you are right. I did some more practice against the AI at 104% and managed to run below 55 using <fast> setup. Seeing how close Jason was to the inner side of the corners really helped. Replay here: http://www30.brinkster.com/imola/pocono.htm :-) (but I probably won't race at saturday...) /Carl "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:22 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is noway > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use100%

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> >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower top > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > > > > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because the > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be so dramtically > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part of lap > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than I can > ever turn in Qualifying. > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

I've just run 15 laps at Pocono in a testing session using the default fast setup. Best time was a 55.325. I'd hope with a draft I could get a low 55 or maybe edge into a high 54. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adoj2h$127t6$[email hidden]... > Yes, you are right. > I did some more practice against the AI at 104% and managed to run below 55 > using <fast> setup. Seeing how close Jason was to the inner side of the > corners really helped. > > Replay here: > http://www30.brinkster.com/imola/pocono.htm :-) > > (but I probably won't race at saturday...) > > /Carl > > > "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:22 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is no > way > > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. > > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use > 100% > > >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower top > > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > > > > > > > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. > > > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because the > > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for > > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine > > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for > > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a > > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be so dramtically > > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part of lap > > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after > > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than I can > > ever turn in Qualifying. > > > > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. > >

I just did a 55.243 on lap 4 <ahem> :-) with the fast setup. I have a question for you guys. Do most of you drop down to 3rd gear in all/some of the turns? I noticed in Jason and Carl's replays that they did. I stay in 4th the whole lap. Dropping down to third seems like it could only gain you an eventual mistake or even a blown engine. David G Fisher "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adolkt$hcv$[email hidden]... > I've just run 15 laps at Pocono in a testing session using the defaultfast > setup. Best time was a 55.325. I'd hope with a draft I could get a low 55or

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no > > way > > > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. > > > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use > > 100% > > > >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lowertop

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> > > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > > > > > > > > > > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. > > > > > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because the > > > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for > > > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine > > > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for > > > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a > > > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be so dramtically > > > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part of lap > > > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after > > > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than I can > > > ever turn in Qualifying. > > > > > > > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. > > > > > >

I drop to third entering T1, stay in it until after exiting T3; shift to fourth on the frontstretch. Haven't blown an engine, etc. yet, and fwiw, that's what the big boys do. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eRTL8.11664$[email hidden]... > I just did a 55.243 on lap 4 <ahem> :-) with the fast setup. > > I have a question for you guys. Do most of you drop down to 3rd gear in > all/some of the turns? I noticed in Jason and Carl's replays that theydid. > I stay in 4th the whole lap. Dropping down to third seems like it couldonly

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> gain you an eventual mistake or even a blown engine. > > David G Fisher > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:adolkt$hcv$[email hidden]... > > I've just run 15 laps at Pocono in a testing session using the default > fast > > setup. Best time was a 55.325. I'd hope with a draft I could get a low

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> or > > maybe edge into a high 54. > > > > -- > > > > Ian P > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > > > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > > corners really helped. > > > > > > Replay here: > > > http://www30.brinkster.com/imola/pocono.htm :-) > > > > > > (but I probably won't race at saturday...) > > > > > > /Carl > > > > > > > > > "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:22 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is > no > > > way > > > > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. > > > > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can

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> > > 100% > > > > >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower > top > > > > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. > > > > > > > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because

the > > > > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for > > > > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine > > > > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for > > > > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a > > > > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be sodramtically > > > > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part oflap > > > > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after > > > > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than Ican

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> > > > ever turn in Qualifying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > >

I shift to 4th a little ways after the S/F line and then drop back to 3rd in T1 and usually stay there for the rest of the lap. Depending on the setup, I might shift to 4th between T1 and T2 and then back to 3rd in T2, but the fast setup has the gear ratios so close this is not necessary. BTW, I ran a Papy Open race the other night. It was a fixed setup race and 3rd and 4th gear were really seperated by a lot. I don't think most of the other people there knew you were supposed to shift at Pocono. I was able to run down the Leader after starting in last place AND slowing to avoid all the lap 1 wrecks. When I got to him I was easily able to pass him off T3... I think he was in 4th the whole way around the track and it killed him Brian Oster. On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:18:02 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just did a 55.243 on lap 4 <ahem> :-) with the fast setup. > >I have a question for you guys. Do most of you drop down to 3rd gear in >all/some of the turns? I noticed in Jason and Carl's replays that they did. >I stay in 4th the whole lap. Dropping down to third seems like it could only >gain you an eventual mistake or even a blown engine. > >David G Fisher > >"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:adolkt$hcv$[email hidden]... >> I've just run 15 laps at Pocono in a testing session using the default >fast >> setup. Best time was a 55.325. I'd hope with a draft I could get a low 55 >or >> maybe edge into a high 54. >> >> -- >> >> Ian P >> <email invalid due to spam> >> >> >> "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:adoj2h$127t6$[email hidden]... >> > Yes, you are right. >> > I did some more practice against the AI at 104% and managed to run below >> 55 >> > using <fast> setup. Seeing how close Jason was to the inner side of the >> > corners really helped. >> > >> > Replay here: >> > http://www30.brinkster.com/imola/pocono.htm :-) >> > >> > (but I probably won't race at saturday...) >> > >> > /Carl >> > >> > >> > "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:22 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> > > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There is >no >> > way >> > > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. >> > > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you can use >> > 100% >> > > >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of the lower >top >> > > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. >> > > >> > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because the >> > > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for >> > > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a one engine >> > > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for >> > > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP for a >> > > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be so dramtically >> > > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part of lap >> > > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after >> > > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than I can >> > > ever turn in Qualifying. >> > > >> > > >> > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. >> > >> > >> >> > >

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I'm so confused :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <P6vL8.3799$[email hidden]>, "Larry"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Those aren't while running the stock fast setup. That's his own setup. > > > >At least I hope so! If he's running 50 flat with the stock fast setup,not

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> >only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first > >thing in the morning :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <[email hidden]>, > >> [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > >> > >> >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > >> >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > >> >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. > > Read his last lind again, Larry...<g> He's still more than a second

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> than me with the SAME setup. > His "low 50's" with his own setup probably means a 53 or so... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That makes a LOT more sense :) -Larry "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yeah, sometimes I can type. =) > > I meant to say that low 55's are a good range to shoot for at 70 > degrees no wind. > > Really, I think any time below 56 will keep you competitive and on the > lead lap. As far as the pole, assuming we're using the fast setup for > qual instead of the qualifying setup, I would expect something around > 55.4-5. I can pull 54.9/55.0 after 3-4 laps when the tires are > properly heated, but the fast setup is tigher than a [sexual metaphor > deleted] after a [sexual metaphor deleted] until the tires warm up. I > think my first timed lap using the fast setup is generally in the > 55.8-56.0 range and the second anywhere from 55.1 to 55.5 depending on > how well I hit the line. And, honestly, I'm not a very good sim > racer, so I'd assume someone will best those times. > > Jason > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > only are we in trouble, but Richard Childress will be calling him first > > thing in the morning :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > > > > > >I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the > > > >weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the > > > >fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I > > > >don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but

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> > > >still aim for low 50's at the worst. > > > > > > Yow - I can't run those kinds of times. I'm lucky to run a high 56... > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > > The > > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on

my > > > webpage. > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thanks :) I turned a couple of 55.5's this evening. Should be good enough :) -Larry "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>...

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> > Here ya go larry. A replay of a 55.325 at 70 0 wind and the fast > setup. > > This is a few tenths slower than it is possible to do because: > > 1. I had a bad run out of 3. Notice I'm only doing 155 when the > replay starts, while at the end of the lap I hit the same spot at over > 160. > 2. I was driving with one hand/one foot, sitting next to my > wheel/pedals. I just put this together to show you a decent > braking/throttle/line example. > 3. It's 3AM for christ's sake. Give me a break. :) > > On the other hand, I think it's pretty good, except for the bad > previous laps and a little bit too much tire scrub in 2 (no good at > braking with one foot, so I was a little hot going in). > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/pocono_eh.rpy > > Notice that in all 3 turns I'm pretty much going from 0 throttle to > 100% instantly and without sliding. Can't do that at every track, but > it seems to work here with this setup. > > Jason

I can understand why someone would shift with a different setup, but with this default fast setup it doesn't improve lap times. David G Fisher "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I shift to 4th a little ways after the S/F line and then drop back to > 3rd in T1 and usually stay there for the rest of the lap. Depending > on the setup, I might shift to 4th between T1 and T2 and then back to > 3rd in T2, but the fast setup has the gear ratios so close this is not > necessary. > > BTW, I ran a Papy Open race the other night. It was a fixed setup > race and 3rd and 4th gear were really seperated by a lot. I don't > think most of the other people there knew you were supposed to shift > at Pocono. I was able to run down the Leader after starting in last > place AND slowing to avoid all the lap 1 wrecks. When I got to him I > was easily able to pass him off T3... I think he was in 4th the whole > way around the track and it killed him > > Brian Oster. > > On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:18:02 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I just did a 55.243 on lap 4 <ahem> :-) with the fast setup. > > > >I have a question for you guys. Do most of you drop down to 3rd gear in > >all/some of the turns? I noticed in Jason and Carl's replays that they

did. > >I stay in 4th the whole lap. Dropping down to third seems like it couldonly

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> >gain you an eventual mistake or even a blown engine. > > > >David G Fisher > > > >"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:adolkt$hcv$[email hidden]... > >> I've just run 15 laps at Pocono in a testing session using the default > >fast > >> setup. Best time was a 55.325. I'd hope with a draft I could get a low

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> >or > >> maybe edge into a high 54. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Ian P > >> <email invalid due to spam> > >> > >> > >> "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message > >> news:adoj2h$127t6$[email hidden]... > >> > Yes, you are right. > >> > I did some more practice against the AI at 104% and managed to runbelow > >> 55 > >> > using <fast> setup. Seeing how close Jason was to the inner side ofthe

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> >> > corners really helped. > >> > > >> > Replay here: > >> > http://www30.brinkster.com/imola/pocono.htm :-) > >> > > >> > (but I probably won't race at saturday...) > >> > > >> > /Carl > >> > > >> > > >> > "Brian Oster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:22 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > >> > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >On the other hand, the superspeedways are drafting tracks. There

is > >no > >> > way > >> > > >you can qualify as fast as when you draft. > >> > > >On all other tracks, you will be faster in qualify, since you canuse > >> > 100% > >> > > >grille tape, and the draft isn't really needed because of thelower

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> >top > >> > > >speed combined with an unrestricted engine. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Not at Pocono. Drafting is big at Pocono. > >> > > > >> > > In real life Qual speeds are a lot faster than race speeds because

the > >> > > Cup guys have a lot more tweaks/know how when setting up a car for > >> > > qualifying than we have in N2002. Even though there is a oneengine > >> > > rule I believe teams are still tuning the engine differently for > >> > > qualifying and for the race so they still get a little more HP fora > >> > > qual run. In N2002 are qual setups are not going to be sodramtically > >> > > faster than our race setups, so drafting is even a bigger part oflap > >> > > times in N2002. A lot of times I can turn a faster race lap after > >> > > tires have heated up and I am behind someone during a race than Ican

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> >> > > ever turn in Qualifying. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:04:28 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I can understand why someone would shift with a different setup, but with >this default fast setup it doesn't improve lap times. > >David G Fisher > No, it really doesn't but if we were running a 100% length race it might save your engine. Brian Oster Remove NOSPAM from my email to reply.

Derek Wood on Flashpoint has done a 166.41mph or 54.08 q time. I have no idea if it is open or fixed, but wow! Sure wonder what the NR2002 q lap record is for this track. Steve Adams "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ecWL8.14319$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks :) > > I turned a couple of 55.5's this evening. Should be good enough :) > > -Larry > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<FegL8.2883$[email hidden]>... > > > > Here ya go larry. A replay of a 55.325 at 70 0 wind and the fast > > setup. > > > > This is a few tenths slower than it is possible to do because: > > > > 1. I had a bad run out of 3. Notice I'm only doing 155 when the > > replay starts, while at the end of the lap I hit the same spot at over > > 160. > > 2. I was driving with one hand/one foot, sitting next to my > > wheel/pedals. I just put this together to show you a decent > > braking/throttle/line example. > > 3. It's 3AM for christ's sake. Give me a break. :) > > > > On the other hand, I think it's pretty good, except for the bad > > previous laps and a little bit too much tire scrub in 2 (no good at > > braking with one foot, so I was a little hot going in). > > > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/pocono_eh.rpy > > > > Notice that in all 3 turns I'm pretty much going from 0 throttle to > > 100% instantly and without sliding. Can't do that at every track, but > > it seems to work here with this setup. > > > > Jason > >

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