F! 20002 Retail multiplayer

Has anyone picked up the retail version of F1 2002 that can comment about how multiplayer is working. Thanks!

Lets see, host is on a 10MBit connection, and the other 15players on cable = warpfree wonder one leaves, and a modemusers joins = warpfest with some latency problems thrown in "Brian Bowles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wq5M8.46199$[email hidden]... > Has anyone picked up the retail version of F1 2002 that can comment about > how multiplayer is working. Thanks! > > >

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JPaM8.42180$[email hidden]... > Lets see, host is on a 10MBit connection, and the other 15players on cable= > warpfree wonder > one leaves, and a modemusers joins = warpfest with some latency problems > thrown in > It sounds harsh, but I think the servers & especially leagues will have to enforce some sort of performance level. Kinda like the 107% qualifying rule...except transferred to online connections. If you can't push X # of kbs then find another sim and another league. The more drivers on a paticular server, the more chance of one bad connection ruining eveyone's session. If enough modem users RETURN F1 2002 then maybe EA will free up enough development cash for ISI to hire a real multiplayer expert...(heck it worked for Force Feedback) dave henrie

I wish Papy would just sell their multi code to other developers, but I bet they want to keep it for themselves. Can't blame em. It is light years ahead of anyone else. Especially when it comes down to the little things like importable race results, never mind net code. I get the feeling that the only developer that really cares about multi is Papy. F12001's multi was so basic it was appalling. Net code is awful, but it also just the little things, like having to input the IP you want to connect to without the program being able to save your favorites was appalling. I know it is probably far more difficult than I imagine, I feel most sims are not spending anytime developing it. I tell you what... I am not a Nascar fan, but I am becoming a big one after racing NR2002 in a league. Just to be able to understand all that happens during a Nascar race is making me a fan. Don't know why idiots like the FIA are not seeing that not doing everything possible to get their licensed game developers to provide a stage where new fans will be born is just stupid. Steve Adams "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4rbM8.134705$[email hidden]... > > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JPaM8.42180$[email hidden]... > > Lets see, host is on a 10MBit connection, and the other 15players oncable

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> = > > warpfree wonder > > one leaves, and a modemusers joins = warpfest with some latency problems > > thrown in > > > It sounds harsh, but I think the servers & especially leagues will have > to enforce some sort of performance level. Kinda like the 107% qualifying > rule...except transferred to online connections. If you can't push X # of > kbs then find another sim and another league. The more drivers on a > paticular server, the more chance of one bad connection ruining eveyone's > session. > If enough modem users RETURN F1 2002 then maybe EA will free up enough > development cash for ISI to hire a real multiplayer expert...(heck it

worked > for Force Feedback) > dave henrie > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----

"FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I tell you what... I am not a Nascar fan, but I am becoming a big oneafter > racing NR2002 in a league. Just to be able to understand all that happens > during a Nascar race is making me a fan. Don't know why idiots like theFIA > are not seeing that not doing everything possible to get their licensedgame > developers to provide a stage where new fans will be born is just stupid. > > Steve Adams The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw about 13 million. Who are the idiots? Davis G Fisher

another question...why do i always get removed from the game in multiplayermode... bad connection or the guys i am racing with can't take their loss?? Ruud "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:3qjM8.162650$[email hidden]...

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> > "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I tell you what... I am not a Nascar fan, but I am becoming a big one > after > > racing NR2002 in a league. Just to be able to understand all that happens > > during a Nascar race is making me a fan. Don't know why idiots like the > FIA > > are not seeing that not doing everything possible to get their licensed > game > > developers to provide a stage where new fans will be born is just stupid. > > > > Steve Adams > > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw about > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > Davis G Fisher > > >

I think its two different things. One is that the host only wants 2-3 cars on his server, and those 2-3ppl are his friends, who is gonna try multiplayer togheter. The other reason is just buggy software, cause i got that message when playing with a friend, and he didnt kick me out. and sometimes you always get kicked out after setting pole 20secs ahead of the rest of the field :) "�uud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adsi8i$rio$[email hidden]... > another question...why do i always get removed from the game inmultiplayermode...

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> bad connection or the guys i am racing with can't take their loss?? > Ruud > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:3qjM8.162650$[email hidden]... > > > > "FatnSlo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > >>

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3qjM8.162650$[email hidden]... > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races drawabout > 13 million. Who are the idiots? Um, about 337 million viewers...

> The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races drawabout > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > Davis G Fisher > It might be interesting to see the breakdown of ratings within the USA. I suspect that F1 in the States probably gets the same low numbers as CART and irl do, or if higher, not by much. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tuoM8.142731$[email hidden]...

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> > > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw > about > > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > > > Davis G Fisher > > > It might be interesting to see the breakdown of ratings within the > USA. I suspect that F1 in the States probably gets the same low numbers > as CART and irl do, or if higher, not by much. > dave henrie > >

I suspect that the low numbers of F1and CART viewers is the result of one thing-- advertising. Americans watch what advertising tells them to watch. It's sad, but true. Alanb

The only figure I've ever heard for U.S. viewership is 250,000 per race. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tuoM8.142731$[email hidden]...

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> > > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw > about > > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > > > Davis G Fisher > > > It might be interesting to see the breakdown of ratings within the > USA. I suspect that F1 in the States probably gets the same low numbers > as CART and irl do, or if higher, not by much. > dave henrie > >

Sadly all modem users are idoits....im No.10 in the world at GPL as you may know..but sadly can get adsl in my area.....sadly then i cant play f1 2002 either...also shame for Greger Huttu, who i think is also still on modem....and various top level drivers....pathetic state of affairs.... EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <L0FM8.11293$[email hidden]>, "Andreas Nystr�m" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Both are possible. I use this settings: (in my .plr-file) > > > >Net Data Rate="22" // client setting (this way, it sends less data, which > >makes it much better. Default was at 32.) > >Max MP Players="4" (yes, maximum of 4 players online. My 256/1Mbit cable > >handle this just fine) > >Closed MP Qualify Sessions="1" // if true, the session will be closed

during > >qualify, so as to not disturb the participants > > I meant connection quality restrictions, such as minimum latency. It'sgood > that you gan kick out idiots, though. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think my pace is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts is rubbish.. Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will be the fastest as always... Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from the above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest sims currently available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been released by other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still GPL for online community spirit and technical challenges... As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 sim drivers in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down... Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as i will.... Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae0f4a$301$[email hidden]... > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the driving > model... > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in thegame

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> coz you are off the pace...? > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at only > one game..? > > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an aquired > taste if ever there was one) > > I hope i am wrong..... > > > Morgan > >

Also I doubt youll see my name in the hotlap lists as ive done more than enough droning out on my own hotlapping in the past...Once youve tried a game where you can race 10inches from the exhaust of the car infront lap after lap with top quality opponents online the offline thing holds very limited appeal. Also setting PB's in online league race qually sessions is far more fun. Although from my early experiences with F1 2002 i'd say theres far to many kids driving around without the slightest idea of racecraft or how to lap consistantly or pass cleanly. Plus for me the main reason for hotlapping was to test setups and improve laptimes for online league races, as MP in F1 2002 is so poor it hardly warrents wasting more effort on it than one day. As playing on your own after youve been part of the best online community of any game ive come across for the last 4 years online, online play and the community is certainly a huge part of longevity of play and formation of a society. GPL community comes across a bit stuck up, but then there no flaming, no twats, a very dedicated group of editors and league admins. Even going to N4 online is like stepping into a kindergarten of flaming and poor careless driving. If F1 2002 had the facilities and polish of GPL in regards MPlayer usage, id hang up my GPL boots and give it some commitment, my sole gripe is online play, after the GPL community MPlayer is everything. Without the MP getting into F1 2002 seriously would be a step backwards and always a compremise in enjoyment after the highs and lows of 3 years of top line sim racing. Also I dont see F1 2002 being able to host 20players, after GPL and N4 which host the top level drivers in all manner of leagues from full GP to short races, such depth cannot be achieved.. All I wanted from f12002 was a good sim that can make a good change of direction for the GPL community...but hey guys, looks like we'll be waiting another 3 years for World Sports Cars or GPL2 1976 :) David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think mypace > is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish > compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts is > rubbish.. > > Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will bethe > fastest as always... > > Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from the > above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest simscurrently > available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been releasedby > other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still GPL > for online community spirit and technical challenges... > > As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on > several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest > level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 simdrivers > in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down... > > Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as iwill.... > > > Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ae0f4a$301$[email hidden]... > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement thedriving

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> > model... > > > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the > game > > coz you are off the pace...? > > > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at

only > > one game..? > > > > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(anaquired

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> > taste if ever there was one) > > > > I hope i am wrong..... > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > >

As for you Fisher, i've heard your posts here before and most people already know you havent a clue about what you talk you about, so I wont be drawn into conversation with a known mullet.... LOL @ you... David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qRPM8.181770$%[email hidden]... > Lol. > > So much to pick on in your posts but I'll just keep it short and simple. > > 1. GPL has been out for four years. Any achievement with a sim that's been > out that long, and played that much by anyone, is absolutely, positivelynot > impressive in any way to me. I'm not impressed by hotlappers.......ever. I > hotlap myself sometimes, and when I want to match the top times in various > racing games/sims, I've always been able to. Guess what? I didn't impress > myself, regretted the time I wasted, and got the feeling like I'd justeaten > way too much chocolate. > > 2. N2002 is better than GPL. F12001 is better than N2002 in many areas. > F12002 is better than F12001. > > 3. Why being good in GPL or any other sim entitles that person to be ableto

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> play F12002 online with a 56k modem escapes me. > > David G Fisher > > "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think my > pace > > is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish > > compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts

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> > rubbish.. > > > > Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will be > the > > fastest as always... > > > > Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from

the > > above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest sims > currently > > available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has beenreleased > by > > other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is stillGPL

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> > for online community spirit and technical challenges... > > > > As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on > > several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest > > level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 sim > drivers > > in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down... > > > > Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as i > will.... > > > > > > Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ae0f4a$301$[email hidden]... > > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the > driving > > > model... > > > > > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > > > > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in

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> > game > > > coz you are off the pace...? > > > > > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at > only > > > one game..? > > > > > > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an > aquired > > > taste if ever there was one) > > > > > > I hope i am wrong..... > > > > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > >

I will say compared to GPL or N4, F1 2002 seems very easy, using no aids apart from low TC I can real off laps which id say are close to the limit of the game in 4hrs of installing, thats another problem after the papy sims, as there simply so much better, games like F1 2002, are just lacking challenge to be honest. The lessons learned in GPL and Nascar4 are applied to playing F1 2002 and the game appears very easy. Main reason GPL didnt sell well and theres many copies sat on shelfs is that its pretty hard..but once the limit is reached the vehicle dynamics are still miles better than other games.... Funny thing here is im getting slagged off for giving my honest opinion on a new game, surely anyone who plays N4/GPL can see that f1 2002 is very poor compared...and certainly much easier....maybe these people slagging me off are just depressed as the top sim drivers all drive GPL, learned on GPL and they werent talented enough or didnt have enough patience to master the king of sims? surely slagging off my opinions on F1 2002 is more a reflect on you than me? Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Morgan Boof wrote: > > > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement thedriving

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> > model... > > > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > Could it be that Dave sets his fastest lap times ONLINE while racing? > > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the

game > > coz you are off the pace...? > > > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) atonly

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> > one game..? > > 'Game'? You mean racing simulation, don't you? Or can you even tell the > difference? Racing full fields of humans in an integral part of the > hobby for a lot of use. > > > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an

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> > taste if ever there was one) > > I take it you never 'aquired' the taste then? > > > I hope i am wrong..... > > On this occasion you don't seem to have broken the habit of a lifetime. > > Yours sneeringly > > GA

Id have to agree My opinion with purely subjective, has nothing to do with laptimes, as i know id be top level in any sim as have been in all the ones ive tried so far GP2/GPL/N4, therefor my opinion is purely an evalutation of the facts regarding various companies efforts at producing a simulation of motorsport. After sampling the goods I have made my thoughts subjectively clear, the same as trying a 15year old bottle of Glenmorangie Single Walt, then tasting a disgusting bottle of Bells/Jameson or Teachers. Of course after tasting anyone with an ounce of taste or brain power would compare two products of the same type would come to the same conclusion, one is fully rounded and delicate balance of all the right favours, and the others are simply blended second rate cack. Those saying the later is better are simply unable to enjoy and appreciate the finer more rounded things in life, or simply have bad taste :) Rating one product against another is simply an evaluation of each products highs and lows...I just comment on what I see...or taste:) Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > David Powell wrote: > > > Funny thing here is im getting slagged off for giving my honest opinionon a

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> > new game, > > Take heart from the fact it's a mullet and a known cretin that are doing > the slagging. > > > surely anyone who plays N4/GPL can see that f1 2002 is very poor > > compared...and certainly much easier....maybe these people slagging me

off > > are just depressed as the top sim drivers all drive GPL, learned on GPLand > > they werent talented enough or didnt have enough patience to master theking > > of sims? > > I think these two just prefer to 'play with themselves', Dave. <G> > > > surely slagging off my opinions on F1 2002 is more a reflect on you thanme?

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> > Fisher couldn't even patch GPL let alone drive it. He couldn't form an > intelligent opinion even if his life depended on it. > > Cheers > > Gerry

In article <JPaM8.42180$[email hidden]>, "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> writes: >Lets see, host is on a 10MBit connection, and the other 15players on cable = >warpfree wonder >one leaves, and a modemusers joins = warpfest with some latency problems >thrown in > Two questions: is it 1 - possible to set a connectivity 'restriction'? 2 - possible to eject a driver if #1 isn't possible? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Both are possible. I use this settings: (in my .plr-file) Net Data Rate="22" // client setting (this way, it sends less data, which makes it much better. Default was at 32.) Max MP Players="4" (yes, maximum of 4 players online. My 256/1Mbit cable handle this just fine) Closed MP Qualify Sessions="1" // if true, the session will be closed during qualify, so as to not disturb the participants I start in practice, then when 3-4 guys have joined i start the qualify, this way we dont get the hickups when someone joins. If someone drives backwards, you just mark the name of the driver, and press kick :) and he cant join you again since you are in qualify. EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <JPaM8.42180$[email hidden]>, "Andreas Nystr�m" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Lets see, host is on a 10MBit connection, and the other 15players oncable =

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> >warpfree wonder > >one leaves, and a modemusers joins = warpfest with some latency problems > >thrown in > > > > Two questions: is it > 1 - possible to set a connectivity 'restriction'? > 2 - possible to eject a driver if #1 isn't possible? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <L0FM8.11293$[email hidden]>, "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Both are possible. I use this settings: (in my .plr-file) > >Net Data Rate="22" // client setting (this way, it sends less data, which >makes it much better. Default was at 32.) >Max MP Players="4" (yes, maximum of 4 players online. My 256/1Mbit cable >handle this just fine) >Closed MP Qualify Sessions="1" // if true, the session will be closed during >qualify, so as to not disturb the participants

I meant connection quality restrictions, such as minimum latency. It's good that you gan kick out idiots, though. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d02124b$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3qjM8.162650$[email hidden]... > > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw > about > > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > Um, about 337 million viewers...

ROFL ! -John > >

dont dream boyo :) your only diluding yourself :) Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2jmn$2ul$[email hidden]...

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> Powell...you sure are some disillusionist extraordinaire..... > > You are ONLY good at GPL..nothing else..!! > > N4..what you on about....on not one reputable(or otherwise ) site can your > name be seen anywhere near challenging the top guys. > > GP2..!!!!!....url please..???? > > Face it....and digest young man.....you found a game that you could play

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> you play it. > > You have tried to play others and you have failed dismally....unlike the > real gods of sim like Huttu and McGiveron,you are a one game man.....stop > the pretence. > > You perhaps have tried F1 2002 but rest assured you are off the pace and

of > course..ego has landed...you couldn't possibly upload a time to the hotlap > charts that was placed 34th or similar could you...definite no no for'our'

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> Dave. > > So lets fall back into our safe haven of GPL where several like minded > individuals exist...Barty Mee for one.....can't drive another game fast to > save his life,so within GPL he stays. > > Powell,take a lead from your other GPL mates,the quality drivers,like > Darkgreen,who CAN drive fast in other games,Wilke,McLean likewise. > > Check out those F1 2001 sites with McLean top or near top....N4/N2002

sites > with Wilke top or near top.....Powell....GPL only....seeing the point > now...? > > Thus to emphasise the whole point of my initial post.....you have no idea > how to assess F1 2002 in any way other than as a damn good GPLracer.....so > do so. > > Get better at other games like F1 2002 and N2002 then return with enough > about you to give that subjective opinion,not the all conquering GPL Top10 > guy i am opinion that you did give.....sad. > > Your answer before you ask it is that i am a jack of all trades....nomaster > at any,no time to practice hour after hour to explore my realabilities,went > negative on GPL Rank after 6 weeks of trying,been Top 10 at two othergames > in the last 4 years,happy to be competitive without ever being the > best,unlike you who thinks any Top GPL driver can be the best at any gamehe > wants to....unfortunately you disprove that without a shadow of doubt. > > Good luck to you,hope you can see beyond Vroc one day,other top 20 guysare > doing with ever increasing regularity,infact i think Huttu may neverreturn

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> to GPL Rank improvement again,but who knows. > > When i want to read a good opinion of F1 2002 i will listen to > Huttu,McGiveron,Morgan,Duhan et al......not one game man > Powell.....thankyou. > > > Morgan > >

BTW are you stalking me? I could explain for the 2 weeks i played N4 my glen time was only 0.3 of the current world record...as for the ovals well whats the point :)...as for Huttu, Wilke and my other friends, im sure they will agree I can be fast in anything i play... also i dont see why im being drawn into agrueing with a lamer such as yourself, but your post is so obviously a TROLL i shall avoid contact with you in the future.... :) Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2jmn$2ul$[email hidden]...

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> Powell...you sure are some disillusionist extraordinaire..... > > You are ONLY good at GPL..nothing else..!! > > N4..what you on about....on not one reputable(or otherwise ) site can your > name be seen anywhere near challenging the top guys. > > GP2..!!!!!....url please..???? > > Face it....and digest young man.....you found a game that you could play

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> you play it. > > You have tried to play others and you have failed dismally....unlike the > real gods of sim like Huttu and McGiveron,you are a one game man.....stop > the pretence. > > You perhaps have tried F1 2002 but rest assured you are off the pace and

of > course..ego has landed...you couldn't possibly upload a time to the hotlap > charts that was placed 34th or similar could you...definite no no for'our'

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> Dave. > > So lets fall back into our safe haven of GPL where several like minded > individuals exist...Barty Mee for one.....can't drive another game fast to > save his life,so within GPL he stays. > > Powell,take a lead from your other GPL mates,the quality drivers,like > Darkgreen,who CAN drive fast in other games,Wilke,McLean likewise. > > Check out those F1 2001 sites with McLean top or near top....N4/N2002

sites > with Wilke top or near top.....Powell....GPL only....seeing the point > now...? > > Thus to emphasise the whole point of my initial post.....you have no idea > how to assess F1 2002 in any way other than as a damn good GPLracer.....so > do so. > > Get better at other games like F1 2002 and N2002 then return with enough > about you to give that subjective opinion,not the all conquering GPL Top10 > guy i am opinion that you did give.....sad. > > Your answer before you ask it is that i am a jack of all trades....nomaster > at any,no time to practice hour after hour to explore my realabilities,went > negative on GPL Rank after 6 weeks of trying,been Top 10 at two othergames > in the last 4 years,happy to be competitive without ever being the > best,unlike you who thinks any Top GPL driver can be the best at any gamehe > wants to....unfortunately you disprove that without a shadow of doubt. > > Good luck to you,hope you can see beyond Vroc one day,other top 20 guysare > doing with ever increasing regularity,infact i think Huttu may neverreturn

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> to GPL Rank improvement again,but who knows. > > When i want to read a good opinion of F1 2002 i will listen to > Huttu,McGiveron,Morgan,Duhan et al......not one game man > Powell.....thankyou. > > > Morgan > >

Theres a reason myself and many others only play GPL, thats cause unless you like running round in circles like a pleb its the only sim worth playing! I agree greger will never return to GPL, mainly as after 3years its time for him to move on...same for myself and many other gpler's but atleast for me atm, i dont see a sim worth moving to..Id be playing N4 with Andi and Greger if it was road courses, along with many other respected sim players you wont see me lapping ovals. Also you wont see me backpeddling to lower standard games such as F1 2001 and the slighty improved F1 2002... As commented recently you marry a sim like GPL, you simply have a brief affair with "games" like F1 2002, being the obsessive type I prefer something I can see building a GPL community... I dont really see where this attack comes from Morgan? Can I not slag a game a game off and talk about its faults without being attacked? If you think im slagging off F1 2002 cause im slow, you couldnt be further from the truth, I talk about the game as I have a write to express my opinion. If i was reviewing the game for a magazine, Id say this to sum up. F1 2002 is the best modern F1 simulator available atm by a long margin. But sadly compared to the online playing arenas that are seen in the papyrus games its falls far short. If you like droning around on your own buy F1 2002, if you like being part of community, and racing over various connections types buy papyrus. After being part on the greatest online community in sim racing for 3 years and running in just about every top level online championship with 20car grids i dont think F1 2002 can live up to my high expectations as regards online racing therefor itll stay the shelf and i'll wait for the next big "sim"... David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > BTW are you stalking me? I could explain for the 2 weeks i played N4 myglen > time was only 0.3 of the current world record...as for the ovals wellwhats

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> the point :)...as for Huttu, Wilke and my other friends, im sure they will > agree I can be fast in anything i play... > > also i dont see why im being drawn into agrueing with a lamer such as > yourself, but your post is so obviously a TROLL i shall avoid contact with > you in the future.... > > :) > > > > Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ae2jmn$2ul$[email hidden]... > > Powell...you sure are some disillusionist extraordinaire..... > > > > You are ONLY good at GPL..nothing else..!! > > > > N4..what you on about....on not one reputable(or otherwise ) site can

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> > name be seen anywhere near challenging the top guys. > > > > GP2..!!!!!....url please..???? > > > > Face it....and digest young man.....you found a game that you could play > and > > you play it. > > > > You have tried to play others and you have failed dismally....unlike the > > real gods of sim like Huttu and McGiveron,you are a one game

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> > save his life,so within GPL he stays. > > > > Powell,take a lead from your other GPL mates,the quality drivers,like > > Darkgreen,who CAN drive fast in other games,Wilke,McLean likewise. > > > > Check out those F1 2001 sites with McLean top or near top....N4/N2002 > sites > > with Wilke top or near top.....Powell....GPL only....seeing the point > > now...? > > > > Thus to emphasise the whole point of my initial post.....you have no

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> > how to assess F1 2002 in any way other than as a damn good GPL > racer.....so > > do so. > > > > Get better at other games like F1 2002 and N2002 then return with enough > > about you to give that subjective opinion,not the all conquering GPL Top > 10 > > guy i am opinion that you did give.....sad. > > > > Your answer before you ask it is that i am a jack of all trades....no > master > > at any,no time to practice hour after hour to explore my real > abilities,went > > negative on GPL Rank after 6 weeks of trying,been Top 10 at two other > games > > in the last 4 years,happy to be competitive without ever being the > > best,unlike you who thinks any Top GPL driver can be the best at any

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> he > > wants to....unfortunately you disprove that without a shadow of doubt. > > > > Good luck to you,hope you can see beyond Vroc one day,other top 20 guys > are > > doing with ever increasing regularity,infact i think Huttu may never > return > > to GPL Rank improvement again,but who knows. > > > > When i want to read a good opinion of F1 2002 i will listen to > > Huttu,McGiveron,Morgan,Duhan et al......not one game man > > Powell.....thankyou. > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > >

clearly...i wonder who it is? Dan Leach <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2pdg$3f1hf$[email hidden]... > That must mean you use a different name in vroc... thats a bit sick/sadisnt

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> it? > "Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > > You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > >

I wonder who it is? some trollling worm...no doubt i cut em up on an outlap once.... Dan Leach <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2pdg$3f1hf$[email hidden]... > That must mean you use a different name in vroc... thats a bit sick/sadisnt

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> it? > "Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > > You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > >

Come on then tell me who are, as then i can ignore you when you attempt chat in VROC in future? Your obviously using an alias here as theres no Morgan Boofs on VROC... Secondly dont you think trolling in newsgroups is sad? Also what makes you even more sad if the fact you troll people you know in newsgroups, what makes you utter pond life is the fact you troll people you know in news groups and do it under an alais, to me this makes you quite possibly the lowest form of internet scum that can possibly exist.. No excuses for this you is one sad bastid.....Daz? Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > > Morgan > >

Morgan.Boof after some quick research is Daz Veloce in VROC...i thought you were normal Daz...but sadly not... I personally be to embarassed to appear again....I enter using another alias that way everyone wont think your a trolling twat which is clearly what you are... Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > > Morgan > >

David G Fisher wrote: > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw about > 13 million. Who are the idiots? F1 isn't that big in the States, but online racing could play it's part in changing that. Stop being an FIA fan boy for just a moment and you might be able to work it out.

So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the driving model... Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the game coz you are off the pace...? Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at only one game..? This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an aquired taste if ever there was one) I hope i am wrong..... Morgan

Lol. So much to pick on in your posts but I'll just keep it short and simple. 1. GPL has been out for four years. Any achievement with a sim that's been out that long, and played that much by anyone, is absolutely, positively not impressive in any way to me. I'm not impressed by hotlappers.......ever. I hotlap myself sometimes, and when I want to match the top times in various racing games/sims, I've always been able to. Guess what? I didn't impress myself, regretted the time I wasted, and got the feeling like I'd just eaten way too much chocolate. 2. N2002 is better than GPL. F12001 is better than N2002 in many areas. F12002 is better than F12001. 3. Why being good in GPL or any other sim entitles that person to be able to play F12002 online with a 56k modem escapes me. David G Fisher "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think mypace > is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish > compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts is > rubbish.. > > Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will bethe > fastest as always... > > Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from the > above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest simscurrently > available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been releasedby > other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still GPL > for online community spirit and technical challenges... > > As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on > several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest > level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 simdrivers > in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down... > > Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as iwill.... > > > Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ae0f4a$301$[email hidden]... > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement thedriving

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> > model... > > > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the > game > > coz you are off the pace...? > > > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at

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Yea, I can sure see how online racing in a sim is going to change that. I thought that adding more U.S. races and actually putting some effort and money into promoting the sport here would play a much, much larger part in increased viewership, but I guess I'm wrong. A motorsport that has 25 x the viewership of another should definitely look to that lesser watched series for advice. David G Fisher "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races drawabout

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> > 13 million. Who are the idiots? > > F1 isn't that big in the States, but online racing could play it's part > in changing that. > > Stop being an FIA fan boy for just a moment and you might be able to > work it out.

Morgan Boof wrote: > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the driving > model... > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? Could it be that Dave sets his fastest lap times ONLINE while racing? > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the game > coz you are off the pace...? > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at only > one game..? 'Game'? You mean racing simulation, don't you? Or can you even tell the difference? Racing full fields of humans in an integral part of the hobby for a lot of use. > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an aquired > taste if ever there was one) I take it you never 'aquired' the taste then? > I hope i am wrong..... On this occasion you don't seem to have broken the habit of a lifetime. Yours sneeringly GA

David G Fisher wrote: > > Lol. > > So much to pick on in your posts but I'll just keep it short and simple. A bit like you then :) > 1. GPL has been out for four years. Any achievement with a sim that's been > out that long, and played that much by anyone, is absolutely, positively not > impressive in any way to me. Six DIFFERENT cars, over one hundred tracks...can you work it out? > I'm not impressed by hotlappers.......ever. I > hotlap myself sometimes, and when I want to match the top times in various > racing games/sims, I've always been able to. Guess what? You were shit in comparison? Never mind, Dave :(, you can always tell us about when you used to race POD online. > I didn't impress > myself, regretted the time I wasted, and got the feeling like I'd just eaten > way too much chocolate. Never mind, you were a POD legend in your own mind. > 2. N2002 is better than GPL. F12001 is better than N2002 in many areas. > F12002 is better than F12001. Shame about the piss poor replays and dreadful online code, neither of which can be said of GPL or N2002 > 3. Why being good in GPL or any other sim entitles that person to be able to > play F12002 online with a 56k modem escapes me. Who said that it did? Been at the chocolate liqueurs again? Yours sneeringly GA

David G Mullet Fisher wrote: > > Yea, I can sure see how online racing in a sim is going to change that. > > I thought that adding more U.S. races and actually putting some effort and > money into promoting the sport here would play a much, much larger part in > increased viewership, As I said, online MP could be part of the picture. > but I guess I'm wrong. Not wrong, just a known 'mullet'. Yep that nick is gonna sick. LOL Sneeringly etc.

David Powell wrote: > Funny thing here is im getting slagged off for giving my honest opinion on a > new game, Take heart from the fact it's a mullet and a known cretin that are doing the slagging. > surely anyone who plays N4/GPL can see that f1 2002 is very poor > compared...and certainly much easier....maybe these people slagging me off > are just depressed as the top sim drivers all drive GPL, learned on GPL and > they werent talented enough or didnt have enough patience to master the king > of sims? I think these two just prefer to 'play with themselves', Dave. <G> > surely slagging off my opinions on F1 2002 is more a reflect on you than me? Fisher couldn't even patch GPL let alone drive it. He couldn't form an intelligent opinion even if his life depended on it. Cheers Gerry

I don't think that's what he meant. I believe he was referring to wreckers with that comment. "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sadly all modem users are idoits.... <snip> > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <L0FM8.11293$[email hidden]>, "AndreasNystr�m" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > <more snippage> > > > > I meant connection quality restrictions, such as minimum latency.It's

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research. > The > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Detailson my > > webpage. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

David Powell wrote: > > Id have to agree > > My opinion with purely subjective, has nothing to do with laptimes, as i > know id be top level in any sim as have been in all the ones ive tried so > far GP2/GPL/N4, <SNIP> And if it wasn't for your modesty, you'd be perfect. ;)

I object to trolling tossers, not replies....Daz! you are familiar with trolling Daz? Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae3ctc$i59$[email hidden]... > Attack....what do you mean David...? > > I object to your opinion being so high and mighty and i reacted tothat,it's

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> not an attack. > > If you are so fragile to replies that don't agree with you why on earth do > you post in here..? > > Take a long hard look mate.....attack....hmmm :) > > > Morgan > >

Funny your posts from last year talk about an Alfa Veloce and are signed off with Daz...most odd... Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae3as7$o2h$[email hidden]...

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> Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as iwill.... and anyone in the know could point out faults in GPL. There is no perfect game out yet.. we have to wait again :/

Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae3as7$o2h$[email hidden]... > Morgan Boof here and Morgan(not Boof) in Vroc :) > > Sorry to blow your theory Daniel :) > > > Morgan Boof............................................................................ ............................................. This is a little odd huh...but a guy called DAZ who owns a VELOCE alfa is using your email address here......seems this email is now a guy called MORGAN....id try covering your tracks before changing identities and trolling... Example 1 Search Result 4 From: Morgan Boof ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: 156 SW Top Speed. Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo View: Complete Thread (6 articles) | Original Format Date: 2001-06-21 04:10:49 PST Hey Jan What a coincidence...lol Well i have cooled down now...i have looked into the weight of the cars and it has told me alot....so now i wont race anything remotely fast..hehe. I made enquiries with Fiat about changing from my 1.6 SW Veloce to a GTA and i received great encouragement from my contact,he stated that should i want one i am just to let them know and i wont be in any queues.I was so happy i almost committed there and then....but i thought waiting would be more responsible as we dont even know exact details yet.(Alfa 3.0 bored out...or new Opel 3.2) So i thanked him and said i would be back in touch soon for sure. Daz ............................................................................ ............................................. Example 2 Search Result 5 From: Morgan Boof ([email hidden]) Subject: Now Then....Know of this Lads...? Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Date: 2000-12-23 11:25:25 PST 156 SW Veloce 1.6TS Bought new in July. Perfect ever since. Then.....last Sunday,fired her up....she died. Tried again...she died. She couldn't hold idle speed without me helping....so in a terrible 130 mile drive home,if i wasn't accelerating the revs wanted to drop to zero. Had to stop for petrol after my constant accelrating drive back. Started her up again...FINE. Has been ever since. Is it a known fault....? Daz AlfaBoy. P.s On my journey up i had 130 miles of competitive friendly racing with two great guys in their cars,one a BMW 330d and the other a Mondeo ST24....my subsequent look at performance figures suggest I was a league below them ,but in real world driving,not alot in it. Example 3 Search Result 2 From: Morgan Boof ([email hidden]) Subject: Guys...Help..! Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo View: Complete Thread (16 articles) | Original Format Date: 2000-11-20 03:57:55 PST 156 SW Veloce 4 months old,2800 miles. I was jet washing it yesterday when i noticed the water was forcing the veloce trim(side skirts) to come away from the main bodywork. I stopped instantly and inspected....wow,was i disappointed. So to the questions. 1.Are all 156 veloce sideskirts applied in this way.? 2.Under warranty ,can I demand a more secure way of fixing them..? 3.Do you all agree that this is poor that the trims are held to the body with double sided sticky pads..? Until this incident,i was a blissfully happy owner,now i feel i have a cheapo upgrade in my veloce. I have Clarion radio with Alpine multi Cd changer and standard speakers and its great,really powerful. My glove compartment door is not tight fitting which is a niggle,it is tight to the right side but 10mm away from the left. So overall,great car and im happy,very happy....but an answer to this veloce side skirt problem would be nice. Daz(UK) 33-Own Business. ............................................................................ ............................................... Example 4 This guy even refers to you as DAZ??? surely you should correct him if this is the case? Hi Daz, Depends. Is she to keep or are you not sure? When you're not sure "dump her"! This lesson of life has nothing to do with the SW/kid/lady but with experience. No spark in the beginning, no spark ever. If you're sure about the lady, you can test how sure she's about you and her kid. Just demand that the kid goes in the back (because you don't want you car wrecked) AND for safety reasons; isn't there even a law that kids under .. years go in the back in an official kiddy seat? If she doesn't agree her feeling for a) her kid and b) you are not o.k. DUMP!! My father used to say "they" don't go by "a hand full" but by "a country full". Nevertheless I hope it's the right lady for you and you can love all three of them with the same passion! -- Gert-Jan from Holland (156) SW 1.8 "Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:5dJ46.48328$[email hidden]... > Gleaming new 156 SW Veloce,kept it immaculate since I had it in July. > Met new woman in November,she loves it too. > She stayed over Xmas with her 3 yr old. > She insists he sits in front of car on a booster seat. > Well they stayed 4 days....and his feet booted/scuffed/scraped my dashboard > more than I could in 400 yrs. > Do I :- > a)Accept it.But cry inside. > b)Change car to one i have no passion for. > c)Change woman. > d)Insist..!!!! the child is in the back. > e)Wait for your suggestions. > Help..please..!! > Daz Isnt is amazing what a little search of a newsgroup digs up? why do you lie about your identity Daz? Pretty sad if you ask me....

Yet more turn up in a search!! this is outstanding.... http://groups.google.com/groups?q=morgan+boof+daz+&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en& lr=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8 try the URL quite interesting...... Search Result 10 From: Morgan Boof ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: caroline aherne Newsgroups: alt.tv.shaggable.babes View: Complete Thread (25 articles) | Original Format Date: 2000/01/08 Pictures of her,preferably in bikini or just a thong...thats all,ha ha This one the email morgan uses even has Daz.Kilsby in the name... Best just admit who you are huh.... Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae3as7$o2h$[email hidden]...

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>Sadly all modem users are idoits....im No.10 in the world at GPL as you may >know..but sadly can get adsl in my area.....sadly then i cant play f1 2002 >either...also shame for Greger Huttu, who i think is also still on >modem....and various top level drivers....pathetic state of affairs.... >> I meant connection quality restrictions, such as minimum latency. It's >good >> that you gan kick out idiots, though. >

Whoops, that came out wrong. I somehow segued from talking about connection quality to being happy that you could eject the backwards drivers, intentional crashers, etc. My apologies. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I made a little tribute for you, your very honoured http://home.clara.net/david.powell4/twatoftheyear.htm Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae3glq$73t$[email hidden]...

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> It don't take a genius David,but then i suppose you need your moment of > glory somehow.:) > > > Morgan > >

Eldred...I know Daz in VROC, and here he has delibrately posted troll mails calling himself Morgan Boof, aka replies with only one reason to provoke a negative response, Trolling is one of the worst internet crimes on forums and newsgroups. Daz isnt using another handle, hes posting here under an alias inorder to withhold his identity so he can troll...its a different matter all together, he even denies being Daz Veloce until ive supplied eveidence to get him to admit who he is...Trolling is one thing Eldred, but Trolling people you know inorder to provoke a reaction and doing so delibrately is a shameful act... If i was Daz id be embarressed to show my face here again... Basically is just sad.... EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ae2pdg$3f1hf$[email hidden]>, "Dan Leach" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >That must mean you use a different name in vroc... thats a bit sick/sadisnt > >it? > >"Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > >> You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > Why is that sick/sad? A lot of people have a different driving handlethan > what they post under... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

'Who said that it did? Been at the chocolate liqueurs again? Yours sneeringly' Keep it up, guys. This is great!

Powell...you sure are some disillusionist extraordinaire..... You are ONLY good at GPL..nothing else..!! N4..what you on about....on not one reputable(or otherwise ) site can your name be seen anywhere near challenging the top guys. GP2..!!!!!....url please..???? Face it....and digest young man.....you found a game that you could play and you play it. You have tried to play others and you have failed dismally....unlike the real gods of sim like Huttu and McGiveron,you are a one game man.....stop the pretence. You perhaps have tried F1 2002 but rest assured you are off the pace and of course..ego has landed...you couldn't possibly upload a time to the hotlap charts that was placed 34th or similar could you...definite no no for 'our' Dave. So lets fall back into our safe haven of GPL where several like minded individuals exist...Barty Mee for one.....can't drive another game fast to save his life,so within GPL he stays. Powell,take a lead from your other GPL mates,the quality drivers,like Darkgreen,who CAN drive fast in other games,Wilke,McLean likewise. Check out those F1 2001 sites with McLean top or near top....N4/N2002 sites with Wilke top or near top.....Powell....GPL only....seeing the point now...? Thus to emphasise the whole point of my initial post.....you have no idea how to assess F1 2002 in any way other than as a damn good GPL racer.....so do so. Get better at other games like F1 2002 and N2002 then return with enough about you to give that subjective opinion,not the all conquering GPL Top 10 guy i am opinion that you did give.....sad. Your answer before you ask it is that i am a jack of all trades....no master at any,no time to practice hour after hour to explore my real abilities,went negative on GPL Rank after 6 weeks of trying,been Top 10 at two other games in the last 4 years,happy to be competitive without ever being the best,unlike you who thinks any Top GPL driver can be the best at any game he wants to....unfortunately you disprove that without a shadow of doubt. Good luck to you,hope you can see beyond Vroc one day,other top 20 guys are doing with ever increasing regularity,infact i think Huttu may never return to GPL Rank improvement again,but who knows. When i want to read a good opinion of F1 2002 i will listen to Huttu,McGiveron,Morgan,Duhan et al......not one game man Powell.....thankyou. Morgan

You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) Morgan

That must mean you use a different name in vroc... thats a bit sick/sad isnt it? "Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... > You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) > > > Morgan > >

Morgan Boof here and Morgan(not Boof) in Vroc :) Sorry to blow your theory Daniel :) Morgan Boof

Fame at last. David G Fisher "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > As for you Fisher, i've heard your posts here before and most peoplealready

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my > > pace > > > is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish > > > compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyruscounterparts > is > > > rubbish.. > > > > > > Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they willbe

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> > the > > > fastest as always... > > > > > > Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from > the > > > above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest sims > > currently > > > available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been > released > > by > > > other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still > GPL > > > for online community spirit and technical challenges... > > > > > > As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on > > > several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the

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> > > level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 sim > > drivers > > > in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down... > > > > > > Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as i > > will.... > > > > > > > > > Morgan Boof <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ae0f4a$301$[email hidden]... > > > > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the > > driving > > > > model... > > > > > > > > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..? > > > > > > > > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in > the > > > game > > > > coz you are off the pace...? > > > > > > > > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good)

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> > only > > > > one game..? > > > > > > > > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an > > aquired > > > > taste if ever there was one) > > > > > > > > I hope i am wrong..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Attack....what do you mean David...? I object to your opinion being so high and mighty and i reacted to that,it's not an attack. If you are so fragile to replies that don't agree with you why on earth do you post in here..? Take a long hard look mate.....attack....hmmm :) Morgan

It don't take a genius David,but then i suppose you need your moment of glory somehow.:) Morgan

In article <ae2pdg$3f1hf$[email hidden]>, "Dan Leach" <[email hidden]> writes: >That must mean you use a different name in vroc... thats a bit sick/sad isnt >it? >"Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ae2npn$4m4$[email hidden]... >> You chat with me all the time in vroc ;-)))) Why is that sick/sad? A lot of people have a different driving handle than what they post under... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

From the F1gamers fourm: 'I played it online. Oh make that, i only play it online. I dont like racing against AI in any game i have (N4, GPL) You use gamespy. What i miss is no chat!. You cant ask if someone wants to race at suzuka in the wet with you, or tell you were sorry for the incident at T1 etc. Further more, you dont have a clue on who is on the race, or what aids they use, and racelength. No password protection, nor set max players that should be allowed.. this makes you get kicked out way too often. I've hosted 5-6guys on my 256k/1Mbit and it worked ok. No major warping, just small ones, that doesnt bother anyone. I also tried it on 10Mbit hosts and 100Mbit hosters, and on their games, 16players with no warping was possible. Just plain smooth!. No chat in car, but you can send predefined messages with ctrl+1 to 0' Sounds like MP is just not as well thought out and refined as in Papy games. I won't be buying because I've become accustomed to a higher standard. Once you go MP you don't go back. OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online. Surely less than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense from the developper's POV. They know their target audience.

"P.C. Oxford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W%pN8.11779$[email hidden]...

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> From the F1gamers fourm: > > > > OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online. Surely less > than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense from the > developper's POV. They know their target audience. >

When Heat came out with it's pitiful online, this was another excuse......(paraphrasing) "Online isn't a large enough market to bother with, online playing doesn't matter".............hmmm...............starting with Heat's first competition, N3, guess which company's games are being played, still, with by far, the larger amount of players, and guess why ? Hint: it's not Heat, and it's not only offline Papy players :) It's the year 2002. Online is CRUCIAL for ANY game of any genre. Get with the program FIA. John

I respectfully disagree. :-) Wish I didn't though. From everything I've read, online multiplayer still isn't a priority for many people in auto sims (and many other games), at least not near what I hoped it would be. All these F1 sims come out and continue to sell really well with little or no online multiplayer. GP4 still won't have it apparently. The Papyrus NASCAR games really only sell in the U.S. The rest of the world doesn't buy them even with their great multiplay. Also, whenever I go to the main lobby online in N2002, there is usually no more than 125 people there. :-) I think we get a skewed view of what the public wants in this newsgroup. F1 appeals to a HUGE asian market, and also South America. How many asian names do you ever see on this newsgroup? Chinese (1 billion people)? Japanese? India (1 billion people)? Malaysia? etc. Not too many South Americans either. There isn't even many French or Italian names who post here. Also, don't forget how many F1 console titles and other console racing titles that are sold without any online capability. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "P.C. Oxford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:W%pN8.11779$[email hidden]... > > From the F1gamers fourm: > > > > > > > > OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online. Surely less > > than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense from the > > developper's POV. They know their target audience. > > > > > When Heat came out with it's pitiful online, this was another > excuse......(paraphrasing) "Online isn't a large enough market to bother > with, online playing doesn't

matter".............hmmm...............starting

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> with Heat's first competition, N3, guess which company's games are being > played, still, with by far, the larger amount of players, and guess why ? > > Hint: it's not Heat, and it's not only offline Papy players :) > > It's the year 2002. Online is CRUCIAL for ANY game of any genre. Get > with the program FIA. > > John > > > >

Maybe the reason you don't see so many posters, from those country's is cause the have their own Usenet newsgroups, I know there are a lot of Danish newsgroups which I did subscribe to at a time no more though now I only subscribe to 3 this the nfs and abpms "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VQsN8.185099$%[email hidden]...

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> I respectfully disagree. :-) Wish I didn't though. > > From everything I've read, online multiplayer still isn't a priority for > many people in auto sims (and many other games), at least not near what I > hoped it would be. > > All these F1 sims come out and continue to sell really well with little or > no online multiplayer. GP4 still won't have it apparently. The Papyrus > NASCAR games really only sell in the U.S. The rest of the world doesn't

buy > them even with their great multiplay. > > Also, whenever I go to the main lobby online in N2002, there is usually no > more than 125 people there. :-) > > I think we get a skewed view of what the public wants in this newsgroup.F1 > appeals to a HUGE asian market, and also South America. How many asiannames

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> do you ever see on this newsgroup? Chinese (1 billion people)? Japanese? > India (1 billion people)? Malaysia? etc. Not too many South Americans > either. There isn't even many French or Italian names who post here. > > Also, don't forget how many F1 console titles and other console racing > titles that are sold without any online capability. > > David G Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "P.C. Oxford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:W%pN8.11779$[email hidden]... > > > From the F1gamers fourm: > > > > > > > > > > > > OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online. Surely

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> > > than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense from the > > > developper's POV. They know their target audience. > > > > > > > > > When Heat came out with it's pitiful online, this was another > > excuse......(paraphrasing) "Online isn't a large enough market to bother > > with, online playing doesn't > matter".............hmmm...............starting > > with Heat's first competition, N3, guess which company's games are being > > played, still, with by far, the larger amount of players, and guess why

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> > > > Hint: it's not Heat, and it's not only offline Papy players :) > > > > It's the year 2002. Online is CRUCIAL for ANY game of any genre. Get > > with the program FIA. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >

See your point, and agree; offline players outnumber online. In terms of other races not being here, I assume that's because they have ng's/forums in their native lands too. I don't know; everytime some developer cops out on multi with the "it doesn't matter" excuse, I try to think of another four year old F1 sim that has the popularity of GPL, i.e. I'd be very surprised if it would still have the following it does, if it wasn't for it's online aspect. Same with the Nascar sims. Compare to F12001, Heat, etc..........already ditched/being ditched. But sales are the reality, and you're right below. John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VQsN8.185099$%[email hidden]...

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> I respectfully disagree. :-) Wish I didn't though. > > From everything I've read, online multiplayer still isn't a priority for > many people in auto sims (and many other games), at least not near what I > hoped it would be. > > All these F1 sims come out and continue to sell really well with little or > no online multiplayer. GP4 still won't have it apparently. The Papyrus > NASCAR games really only sell in the U.S. The rest of the world doesn't

buy > them even with their great multiplay. > > Also, whenever I go to the main lobby online in N2002, there is usually no > more than 125 people there. :-) > > I think we get a skewed view of what the public wants in this newsgroup.F1 > appeals to a HUGE asian market, and also South America. How many asiannames

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> do you ever see on this newsgroup? Chinese (1 billion people)? Japanese? > India (1 billion people)? Malaysia? etc. Not too many South Americans > either. There isn't even many French or Italian names who post here. > > Also, don't forget how many F1 console titles and other console racing > titles that are sold without any online capability. > > David G Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "P.C. Oxford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:W%pN8.11779$[email hidden]... > > > From the F1gamers fourm: > > > > > > > > > > > > OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online. Surely

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> > > than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense from the > > > developper's POV. They know their target audience. > > > > > > > > > When Heat came out with it's pitiful online, this was another > > excuse......(paraphrasing) "Online isn't a large enough market to bother > > with, online playing doesn't > matter".............hmmm...............starting > > with Heat's first competition, N3, guess which company's games are being > > played, still, with by far, the larger amount of players, and guess why

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> > > > Hint: it's not Heat, and it's not only offline Papy players :) > > > > It's the year 2002. Online is CRUCIAL for ANY game of any genre. Get > > with the program FIA. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >

Correct me if I'm wrong, but GPL as originally released had no dedicated server, and no matchmaking service. The manual even indicates (pg. 41) that an internet user with an analog modem cannot expect to host more than two clients. If it was possible to bring GPL up to its current level of playability with patches and user add-ons, why wouldn't it be possible to achieve the same thing with F1 2002? If we could persuade EA/ISI to release a dedicated server for F1 2002 that alone would cure most of the problems people are having. And as for Gamespy, I'm not sure which version (3D or Arcade) is included with the game but both are upgradable to registered versions with more features. Maybe I'm missing something, after all I don't have the game yet, but it sure seems to me from what I have heard so far that F1 2002 multiplayer is doable if we can just get the right pieces put together and get some dedicated servers going. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > See your point, and agree; offline players outnumber online. Interms of > other races not being here, I assume that's because they haveng's/forums in > their native lands too. > > I don't know; everytime some developer cops out on multi with the"it > doesn't matter" excuse, I try to think of another four year old F1 simthat > has the popularity of GPL, i.e. > I'd be very surprised if it would still have the following it does,if it > wasn't for it's online aspect. Same with the Nascar sims. > > Compare to F12001, Heat, etc..........already ditched/beingditched.

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> > But sales are the reality, and you're right below. > > John > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VQsN8.185099$%[email hidden]... > > I respectfully disagree. :-) Wish I didn't though. > > > > From everything I've read, online multiplayer still isn't a priority

for > > many people in auto sims (and many other games), at least not nearwhat I > > hoped it would be. > > > > All these F1 sims come out and continue to sell really well withlittle or > > no online multiplayer. GP4 still won't have it apparently. ThePapyrus > > NASCAR games really only sell in the U.S. The rest of the worlddoesn't > buy > > them even with their great multiplay. > > > > Also, whenever I go to the main lobby online in N2002, there isusually no > > more than 125 people there. :-) > > > > I think we get a skewed view of what the public wants in thisnewsgroup. > F1 > > appeals to a HUGE asian market, and also South America. How manyasian > names > > do you ever see on this newsgroup? Chinese (1 billion people)?Japanese? > > India (1 billion people)? Malaysia? etc. Not too many SouthAmericans > > either. There isn't even many French or Italian names who post here. > > > > Also, don't forget how many F1 console titles and other consoleracing

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> > titles that are sold without any online capability. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "P.C. Oxford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:W%pN8.11779$[email hidden]... > > > > From the F1gamers fourm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OTOH, you wonder just what % of buyers actually play online.

Surely > less > > > > than a quarter. Maybe it's not worth the effort and expense fromthe > > > > developper's POV. They know their target audience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Heat came out with it's pitiful online, this was another > > > excuse......(paraphrasing) "Online isn't a large enough market tobother > > > with, online playing doesn't > > matter".............hmmm...............starting > > > with Heat's first competition, N3, guess which company's games arebeing > > > played, still, with by far, the larger amount of players, andguess why > ? > > > > > > Hint: it's not Heat, and it's not only offline Papy players :) > > > > > > It's the year 2002. Online is CRUCIAL for ANY game of anygenre. Get

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> Correct me if I'm wrong, but GPL as originally released had no dedicated > server, and no matchmaking service. The manual even indicates (pg. 41) > that an internet user with an analog modem cannot expect to host more > than two clients. If it was possible to bring GPL up to its current > level of playability with patches and user add-ons, why wouldn't it be > possible to achieve the same thing with F1 2002? If we could persuade > EA/ISI to release a dedicated server for F1 2002 that alone would cure > most of the problems people are having. And as for Gamespy, I'm not > sure which version (3D or Arcade) is included with the game but both are > upgradable to registered versions with more features. Maybe I'm missing > something, after all I don't have the game yet, but it sure seems to me > from what I have heard so far that F1 2002 multiplayer is doable if we > can just get the right pieces put together and get some dedicated > servers going. >

I would think that F1 Relay would stand the best bet for getting a big field, but I don't think they found a way for 2001 so I don't think 2002 will be any different.... The key is simple... A HUGE pipe for the server and everyone on broadband....anything less....very small field. dave henrie