RASCAR Pocono - Post Race

Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-race thread :) This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling :) First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I spent 1/2 lap in time sliding on my roof and side. Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was driving a brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand. There was no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal range. Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely. Horsepuckies... Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding because I didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 seconds. Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I was down a cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted for good to stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first incident where I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars coming up on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go low and go around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me and smacked me in the rear. I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so the faster cards could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never really had a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I always thought this was the right thing to do. Am I mistaken? Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( Oh, well. There's always next week :) -Larry

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-racethread > :) > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling :) > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I spent1/2

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> lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was driving a > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand. There was > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal range. > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely. Horsepuckies... > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding because I > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 seconds. > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I was down

a > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted for goodto > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first incidentwhere > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars comingup > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go low and go > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me andsmacked > me in the rear. > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so the fastercards > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never reallyhad

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> a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I always > thought this was the right thing to do. > > Am I mistaken? > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > -Larry

Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along with Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high. But either way should work......... -John > >

After getting punted a couple of times, I thought this over. No matter what, I came to the same conclusion that staying high was better. Mainly due to turn 3. If I were to have forced the faster lead-pack high in turn 3, I would have been pulled out of my car and gotten my ass beat :) I think the tunnel turn would have presented problems too since it's such a fast corner with such a tight exit. There probably really is no answer to it :) -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-race > thread > > :) > > > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling :) > > > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I spent > 1/2 > > lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was driving

a > > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand. Therewas > > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal range. > > > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely. Horsepuckies... > > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding becauseI > > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30seconds. > > > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I wasdown > a > > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted forgood

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> to > > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first incident > where > > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of > > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars coming > up > > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go low and

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> > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me and > smacked > > me in the rear. > > > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so the faster > cards > > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never really > had > > a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I

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> > thought this was the right thing to do. > > > > Am I mistaken? > > > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > > > -Larry > > Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along with > Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high. But > either way should work......... > > -John > > > > > >

Maybe so, who knows. Fairly common in actual racing there though, fwiw; slower car goes low. But this if more out of the turn than in it, where it's safe to pass. The tunnel turn is a low groove only area in terms of passing, i.e. But like I said, irregardless, if you're out of their way(as it sounds like you were), they should have been able to get by anyway...........if they used their heads :) Regarding your black flag, fwiw, I'd be very surprised if it's bogus. That type isn't speed related, it's related to how you got to the pits. Personally, haven't seen a bogus one of those yet. Always could be a first though. -John "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZBvM8.30258$[email hidden]...

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> After getting punted a couple of times, I thought this over. No matter > what, I came to the same conclusion that staying high was better. Mainly > due to turn 3. > > If I were to have forced the faster lead-pack high in turn 3, I would have > been pulled out of my car and gotten my ass beat :) > > I think the tunnel turn would have presented problems too since it's such

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> fast corner with such a tight exit. > > There probably really is no answer to it :) > > -Larry > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > > > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-race > > thread > > > :) > > > > > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling :) > > > > > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I

spent > > 1/2 > > > lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > > > > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I wasdriving

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> a > > > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > > > > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > > > > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand. There > was > > > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal

range. > > > > > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > > > > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely. Horsepuckies... > > > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speedingbecause

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> I > > > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 > seconds. > > > > > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I was > down > > a > > > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted for > good > > to > > > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > > > > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first incident > > where > > > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of > > > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars

coming

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> > up > > > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go low and > go > > > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me and > > smacked > > > me in the rear. > > > > > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so the faster > > cards > > > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never

really

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> > had > > > a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I > always > > > thought this was the right thing to do. > > > > > > Am I mistaken? > > > > > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > > > > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > > > > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along

with > > Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high.But

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> > either way should work......... > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > >

Bottom line is that the lappers need to *HOLD* their line no matter where it is on the track high or low. If that was the case as it sounds to me, then it's up to the passer to make a safe pass. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe so, who knows. Fairly common in actual racing there though, fwiw; > slower car goes low. > But this if more out of the turn than in it, where it's safe to pass.The

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> tunnel turn is a low groove only area in terms of passing, i.e. > > But like I said, irregardless, if you're out of their way(as it sounds > like you were), they should have been able to get by anyway...........if > they used their heads :) > > Regarding your black flag, fwiw, I'd be very surprised if it's bogus. > That type isn't speed related, it's related to how you got to the pits. > Personally, haven't seen a bogus one of those yet. > Always could be a first though. > > -John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZBvM8.30258$[email hidden]... > > After getting punted a couple of times, I thought this over. No matter > > what, I came to the same conclusion that staying high was better.

Mainly > > due to turn 3. > > > > If I were to have forced the faster lead-pack high in turn 3, I wouldhave > > been pulled out of my car and gotten my ass beat :) > > > > I think the tunnel turn would have presented problems too since it'ssuch

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> a > > fast corner with such a tight exit. > > > > There probably really is no answer to it :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > > > > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-race > > > thread > > > > :) > > > > > > > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling

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> > > > > > > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I > spent > > > 1/2 > > > > lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > > > > > > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was > driving > > a > > > > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > > > > > > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > > > > > > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand.

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> > was > > > > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal > range. > > > > > > > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > > > > > > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely.

Horsepuckies...

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> > > > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding > because > > I > > > > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 > > seconds. > > > > > > > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I was > > down > > > a > > > > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted for > > good > > > to > > > > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > > > > > > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first

incident > > > where > > > > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of > > > > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars > coming > > > up > > > > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go lowand > > go > > > > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me and > > > smacked > > > > me in the rear. > > > > > > > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so thefaster

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> > > cards > > > > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never > really > > > had > > > > a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I > > always > > > > thought this was the right thing to do. > > > > > > > > Am I mistaken? > > > > > > > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > > > > > > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > > > > > > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along > with > > > Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high. > But > > > either way should work......... > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I entered the pits like I have every other time. Absolutely no difference. I was well under control, and came in using the proper lines. Oh, well :) -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe so, who knows. Fairly common in actual racing there though, fwiw; > slower car goes low. > But this if more out of the turn than in it, where it's safe to pass.The

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> tunnel turn is a low groove only area in terms of passing, i.e. > > But like I said, irregardless, if you're out of their way(as it sounds > like you were), they should have been able to get by anyway...........if > they used their heads :) > > Regarding your black flag, fwiw, I'd be very surprised if it's bogus. > That type isn't speed related, it's related to how you got to the pits. > Personally, haven't seen a bogus one of those yet. > Always could be a first though. > > -John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZBvM8.30258$[email hidden]... > > After getting punted a couple of times, I thought this over. No matter > > what, I came to the same conclusion that staying high was better.

Mainly > > due to turn 3. > > > > If I were to have forced the faster lead-pack high in turn 3, I wouldhave > > been pulled out of my car and gotten my ass beat :) > > > > I think the tunnel turn would have presented problems too since it'ssuch

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> a > > fast corner with such a tight exit. > > > > There probably really is no answer to it :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > > > > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the post-race > > > thread > > > > :) > > > > > > > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk about humbling

:)

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> > > > > > > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I > spent > > > 1/2 > > > > lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > > > > > > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was > driving > > a > > > > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > > > > > > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > > > > > > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand.

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> > was > > > > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal > range. > > > > > > > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > > > > > > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely.

Horsepuckies...

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> > > > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding > because > > I > > > > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 > > seconds. > > > > > > > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I was > > down > > > a > > > > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pitted for > > good > > > to > > > > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > > > > > > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first

incident > > > where > > > > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out of > > > > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars > coming > > > up > > > > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go lowand > > go > > > > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me and > > > smacked > > > > me in the rear. > > > > > > > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so thefaster

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> > > cards > > > > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never > really > > > had > > > > a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I > > always > > > > thought this was the right thing to do. > > > > > > > > Am I mistaken? > > > > > > > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > > > > > > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > > > > > > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along > with > > > Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high. > But > > > either way should work......... > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

That really doesn't apply to my situation, but I agree. -Larry "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1XwM8.5710$[email hidden]... > Bottom line is that the lappers need to *HOLD* their line no matter whereit > is on the track high or low. If that was the case as it sounds to me,then > it's up to the passer to make a safe pass. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Maybe so, who knows. Fairly common in actual racing there though,fwiw;

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> > slower car goes low. > > But this if more out of the turn than in it, where it's safe to pass. > The > > tunnel turn is a low groove only area in terms of passing, i.e. > > > > But like I said, irregardless, if you're out of their way(as it sounds > > like you were), they should have been able to get by anyway...........if > > they used their heads :) > > > > Regarding your black flag, fwiw, I'd be very surprised if it's bogus. > > That type isn't speed related, it's related to how you got to the pits. > > Personally, haven't seen a bogus one of those yet. > > Always could be a first though. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ZBvM8.30258$[email hidden]... > > > After getting punted a couple of times, I thought this over. No

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> > > what, I came to the same conclusion that staying high was better. > Mainly > > > due to turn 3. > > > > > > If I were to have forced the faster lead-pack high in turn 3, I would > have > > > been pulled out of my car and gotten my ass beat :) > > > > > > I think the tunnel turn would have presented problems too since it's > such > > a > > > fast corner with such a tight exit. > > > > > > There probably really is no answer to it :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:F4vM8.30066$[email hidden]... > > > > > Since I couldn't finish, figured I might as well start the

post-race > > > > thread > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > This is probably the worse race I've ever had! Talk abouthumbling

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> :) > > > > > > > > > > First, someone accidently punted me in the tunnel-turn. I think I > > spent > > > > 1/2 > > > > > lap in time sliding on my roof and side. > > > > > > > > > > Got fixed, but the car was never really right after that. I was > > driving > > > a > > > > > brick and couldn't get out of the low 57's. > > > > > > > > > > Then I lost 3rd gear for no particular reason. > > > > > > > > > > Then I had engine damage, again for reasons I don't understand. > There > > > was > > > > > no indication of trouble and all guages were well into the normal > > range. > > > > > > > > > > Took 2 min in the pits to fix the engine. > > > > > > > > > > Then got a bogus BF for not entering the pits safely. > Horsepuckies... > > > > > Reviewed the entry and it looked fine to me. I wasn't speeding > > because > > > I > > > > > didn't even have enough engine to DO 55mph :) Cost me another 30 > > > seconds. > > > > > > > > > > Once back on the track after about 3 laps it was apparant that I

was > > > down > > > > a > > > > > cylinder or two. I didn't want to stink up the show so I pittedfor

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> > > good > > > > to > > > > > stay out of the way. Closure rates were too high. > > > > > > > > > > Now, there's one thing that has me confused. After the first > incident > > > > where > > > > > I was slowed to low 57's, I kept high in the corners to stay out

of

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> > > > > everyone's way. I left the low lane clear and free for all cars > > coming > > > > up > > > > > on me. BUT... On a few occasions the overtaking car didn't go low > and > > > go > > > > > around, like I expected them to. They just stayed high with me

and

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> > > > smacked > > > > > me in the rear. > > > > > > > > > > I've always stayed high and clear in these circumstances so the > faster > > > > cards > > > > > could keep the fast line and go around me low and safely. Never > > really > > > > had > > > > > a problem with it until today, and through 4 years of doing this I > > > always > > > > > thought this was the right thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > Am I mistaken? > > > > > > > > > > Is this "Just Pocono" and the way it is? > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to save the Replay, so I can't review the race :( > > > > > > > > > > Oh, well. There's always next week :) > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > Obviously don't know exactly what happened, but imo, Pocono, along > > with > > > > Darlington is a track where it's better to let a faster car go high. > > But > > > > either way should work......... > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Larry" wrote... > I entered the pits like I have every other time. Absolutely no > difference. I was well under control, and came in using the > proper lines. > > Oh, well :) Results say you were forced to pit because of an engine problem. They don't mention entering the pits unsafely, nor a black flag. Strange. Jan. =---

On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 03:34:13 GMT, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Oh, well :) > > -Larry <snip snip> not meaning to be a piss here, but could you please try editing your follow-ups to contain the relevant sections you're replying to before posting? Thanks! ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Yep. That's basically what happened. But the dude in bosses hat indeed held me for 30 seconds :( -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%XFM8.23114$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" wrote... > > I entered the pits like I have every other time. Absolutely no > > difference. I was well under control, and came in using the > > proper lines. > > > > Oh, well :) > > > Results say you were forced to pit because of an engine problem. They

don't > mention entering the pits unsafely, nor a black flag. Strange. > > Jan. > =--- > >