Todays RASCAR race

Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in turn 2 and blew the engine... It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this time, looked like good clean racing to me. Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on again :) Olav

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> Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down > to second in turn 2 and blew the engine... > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more > careful this time, looked like good clean racing to me. > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the > yellows on again :)

Though I'd like the yellows on again too (if only to top up on cafeine), I'm glad they were off this time as I had two solo spins which might have brought one out! Jan. =---

Well, just to throw my two cents in :) I still would have liked to have seen yellows. I think my race today would have come out a WHOLE lot different if they were in effect. Nice experiment, but I think it's better with Yellows on. -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lvM8.22635$[email hidden]...

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote... > > Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down > > to second in turn 2 and blew the engine... > > > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more > > careful this time, looked like good clean racing to me. > > > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the > > yellows on again :) > > Though I'd like the yellows on again too (if only to top up on cafeine),

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> glad they were off this time as I had two solo spins which might have > brought one out! > > Jan. > =--- > >

> More importantly to me is why the h*ll was my car so slow? I can do 55.5's > fairly easily, and my best with the fixed fast setup (no draft help and > actually very little practice) is a 55.136. Did a 55.15 late last nightand > just did the 55.136 after the race offline to make sure I wasn't going > crazy. 55.2's and 55'3's weren't rare in testing the past couple of days. Maybe your just shit David?....Should have put more time in on GPL...:) Oh arent Greger Huttu and Andi Wilke, the two GPL masters the kings of Nascar now anyway :P...certainly at watkins and sears anyway..! Good to see Achim is still alive, I still remember beating you at spa back in 1999 i think, to beat a beta tester then was a real joy :)

Congrats to John Simmons! Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> Sorry to the cars I jammed up on the front straight at around lap 58. There was a group of 3 or 4 cars that were lapping me. My intention was to pull over to the left and let the whole group go by, as I'd done before. For some reason the lead car stayed right behind me as I moved left on the turn. We continued until we were almost at the wall, and he tried to pass me on the left. So now, I have to give him room on the left... We touched, I spun to the right, into the other cars that had stayed on the right. I'm not sure what the lead car was trying to do - I certainly wasn't gonna BLOCK him(remember, they were lapping me). If he'd simply stayed to the right, he would have maintained his position at the head of the draft, and everyone would have gone on their way. Oh well...I *tried*... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You did well anyway Eldred! OH - btw, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!!!! (You deserved to win!) -- ed_

I did that on the last lap in turn three and lost 1 or 2 positions. Didn't blow the engine, but spun me very nicely. "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in > turn 2 and blew the engine... > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this time, > looked like good clean racing to me. > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on > again :) > > Olav

This was a shi**y race for me. :-) First of all, I had four freezes. I give up on that now. I just wasted money on a new CD-RW yesterday in a desperate attempt to solve the problem (to go along with wasting money by replacing perfectly good ram awhile back). More importantly to me is why the h*ll was my car so slow? I can do 55.5's fairly easily, and my best with the fixed fast setup (no draft help and actually very little practice) is a 55.136. Did a 55.15 late last night and just did the 55.136 after the race offline to make sure I wasn't going crazy. 55.2's and 55'3's weren't rare in testing the past couple of days. In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car was slower on acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out of the 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebooted the game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of drafting was just a 55.6. Looking at the results at the RASCAR page, it's obvious to me that something was screwed up with my game as the qualifying times are right where I expected them to be for guys like Jason and Ian based on what they said they were able to do the past few days in practice. Anyone have any idea why this would happen? I drove 100 laps completely pissed because of this. I wonder how many of you had the same situation but just didnt realize it? David G Fisher "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in > turn 2 and blew the engine... > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this time, > looked like good clean racing to me. > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on > again :) > > Olav

You know David, I had the EXACT same thing happen to me awhile back at an Indy race..........joined in practice race-night, and it was like I was dragging an anchor(fixed setup/weather). At the time, I told myself I was imagining things, but numbers don't lie. Then, thought it was my pots; quickly replace them, same thing. Veeery interesting.......... -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jwxM8.104798$[email hidden]... > This was a shi**y race for me. :-) > > First of all, I had four freezes. I give up on that now. I just wastedmoney > on a new CD-RW yesterday in a desperate attempt to solve the problem (togo > along with wasting money by replacing perfectly good ram awhile back). > > More importantly to me is why the h*ll was my car so slow? I can do 55.5's > fairly easily, and my best with the fixed fast setup (no draft help and > actually very little practice) is a 55.136. Did a 55.15 late last nightand > just did the 55.136 after the race offline to make sure I wasn't going > crazy. 55.2's and 55'3's weren't rare in testing the past couple of days. > > In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car was sloweron > acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out of the > 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebooted the > game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of > drafting was just a 55.6. > > Looking at the results at the RASCAR page, it's obvious to me thatsomething > was screwed up with my game as the qualifying times are right where I > expected them to be for guys like Jason and Ian based on what they saidthey > were able to do the past few days in practice. > > Anyone have any idea why this would happen? I drove 100 laps completely > pissed because of this. I wonder how many of you had the same situationbut

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> just didnt realize it? > > David G Fisher > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in > > turn 2 and blew the engine... > > > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this time, > > looked like good clean racing to me. > > > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on > > again :) > > > > Olav > >

That's kind of funny. You had the exact same problem I did, except I was staying high and out of the way. I guess there is no way to really win :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Congrats to John Simmons! > Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html > Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> > > Sorry to the cars I jammed up on the front straight at around lap 58.There > was a group of 3 or 4 cars that were lapping me. My intention was to pullover > to the left and let the whole group go by, as I'd done before. For somereason > the lead car stayed right behind me as I moved left on the turn. Wecontinued > until we were almost at the wall, and he tried to pass me on the left. Sonow, > I have to give him room on the left... We touched, I spun to the right,into > the other cars that had stayed on the right. I'm not sure what the leadcar > was trying to do - I certainly wasn't gonna BLOCK him(remember, they were > lapping me). If he'd simply stayed to the right, he would have maintainedhis > position at the head of the draft, and everyone would have gone on theirway. > Oh well...I *tried*... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W3AM8.34529$[email hidden]... > That's kind of funny. You had the exact same problem I did, except I was > staying high and out of the way. > > I guess there is no way to really win :) > > -Larry Pocono is a track where slow guys can stay high and give the fast line to the leaders. The trouble with this...is the flat nature of Pocono. IF the passing car carries too much speed, he won't be able to stay down by the curb and if he drifts up to the outside....whose there? The lappee... dave henrie

In article <iXvM8.899$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> writes: >You did well anyway Eldred! >OH - btw, > >H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!!!! >Thanks! >(You deserved to win!) Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in that RACE... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thanks! Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in that RACE... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That about sums up today :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lxAM8.135864$352.6798@sccrnsc02... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:W3AM8.34529$[email hidden]... > > That's kind of funny. You had the exact same problem I did, except Iwas > > staying high and out of the way. > > > > I guess there is no way to really win :) > > > > -Larry > Pocono is a track where slow guys can stay high and give the fast lineto > the leaders. The trouble with this...is the flat nature of Pocono. IFthe > passing car carries too much speed, he won't be able to stay down by the > curb and if he drifts up to the outside....whose there? The lappee... > dave henrie > >

How about the temperature? Could it have been a hot race? Wind? /Carl "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You know David, I had the EXACT same thing happen to me awhile back atan > Indy race..........joined in practice race-night, and it was like I was > dragging an anchor(fixed setup/weather). > At the time, I told myself I was imagining things, but numbers don'tlie.

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> Then, thought it was my pots; quickly replace them, same thing. > > Veeery interesting.......... > > -John > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jwxM8.104798$[email hidden]... > > This was a shi**y race for me. :-) > > > > First of all, I had four freezes. I give up on that now. I just wasted > money > > on a new CD-RW yesterday in a desperate attempt to solve the problem (to > go > > along with wasting money by replacing perfectly good ram awhile back). > > > > More importantly to me is why the h*ll was my car so slow? I can do

55.5's > > fairly easily, and my best with the fixed fast setup (no draft help and > > actually very little practice) is a 55.136. Did a 55.15 late last night > and > > just did the 55.136 after the race offline to make sure I wasn't going > > crazy. 55.2's and 55'3's weren't rare in testing the past couple ofdays. > > > > In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car wasslower > on > > acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out ofthe > > 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebootedthe

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> > game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of > > drafting was just a 55.6. > > > > Looking at the results at the RASCAR page, it's obvious to me that > something > > was screwed up with my game as the qualifying times are right where I > > expected them to be for guys like Jason and Ian based on what they said > they > > were able to do the past few days in practice. > > > > Anyone have any idea why this would happen? I drove 100 laps completely > > pissed because of this. I wonder how many of you had the same situation > but > > just didnt realize it? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in > > > turn 2 and blew the engine... > > > > > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this time, > > > looked like good clean racing to me. > > > > > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on > > > again :) > > > > > > Olav > > > > > >

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:08:46 +0200, Carl Ribbegaardh <[email hidden]> wrote: > How about the temperature? > Could it have been a hot race? > Wind? > BTW, where are we running next week? Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

If that happens, the leaders made a rookie mistake. A lapping car should be aware of who he's about to pass, as there's no need to pass a lapped car in such a risky manner. Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lxAM8.135864$352.6798@sccrnsc02... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:W3AM8.34529$[email hidden]... > > That's kind of funny. You had the exact same problem I did, except Iwas > > staying high and out of the way. > > > > I guess there is no way to really win :) > > > > -Larry > Pocono is a track where slow guys can stay high and give the fast lineto > the leaders. The trouble with this...is the flat nature of Pocono. IFthe > passing car carries too much speed, he won't be able to stay down by the > curb and if he drifts up to the outside....whose there? The lappee... > dave henrie > >

Hi Dave, I can't say anything about why you were slower, but reading your message I remembered that I also get screen freezes in N2002, albeit very very short ones (a split second) when someone joins the server. I don't know what actually makes N2002 trip briefly over this, but since this is obviously related to being online, I thought maybe that would be something to look at in your case as well. If it's in your case not the advent of someone new to the server, maybe it's something your online connection does which has the same effect on N2002 like someone joining the server has on my system? This is a bit of wild guessing, but I thought I'd mention it anyway, as obviously you've pretty much depleted the default resources for problem solutions WRT this matter. Achim

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Congrats to John Simmons! > Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html > Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> > The #43 BlueDOT Glass Windex Monte Carlo was awesome and was running pretty good all day. I knew we could keep up with the leaders and if we managed our tires and fuel correctly, we'd be in contention for the win. The pit crew was awesome, especially the awesome jack man. We hired him away from Jeff Gordon and he has a thing for awesome jack handles, but we thinkhe's getting over that (and that's simply awesome). He did an awesome job on our one and only awesome pit stop. I couldn't ask for a more awesome crew chief either - Wankle McDangle really deserves kudos for an awesome job. Of course, we have awesome sponsors too. BlueDOT Glass signed the big check late in the season, and we're happy to have performed so awesomely for them. Pocono is an awesome track and the fans are awesome, and awesome awesome awesome with awesome and plenty of awesome from down deep in awesome awesome awesome. Lastly, awesome. I really mean that. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I'm not sure you guys are really up to something there. I have the same experience that sometimes for whatever reasons my laptimes just aren't where they should be, but I usually find out that it's either my driving because then at one point the fast laps come back, or if they don't, nobody else is faster than me either, so it seems to affect everyone else as well and can be put down to environmental conditions apparently. Remember the Nx series does simulate the movement of air at certain stages of the race _apart_ from normal wind, for example, although I don't know to which extent. If you're the only one affected by it in a race, I'd consider it a safe guess its your driving ;-) Achim "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You know David, I had the EXACT same thing happen to me awhile back atan > Indy race..........joined in practice race-night, and it was like I was > dragging an anchor(fixed setup/weather). > At the time, I told myself I was imagining things, but numbers don'tlie. > Then, thought it was my pots; quickly replace them, same thing. > > Veeery interesting.......... > > -John

"Uwe Schuerkamp" wrote ... > <snip> BTW, where are we running next week? If we're following the Winston Cup schedule now, I think it's Michigan. I could be wrong though... In case you haven't receive or downloaded the apology I sent you by mail (yahoo address) yet, let me just say I'm sorry we tangled near the end of the race. I should have chenged line as well as slowed to avoid you. My fault. Jan. =---

In article <lxAM8.135864$352.6798@sccrnsc02>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:W3AM8.34529$[email hidden]... >> That's kind of funny. You had the exact same problem I did, except I was >> staying high and out of the way. >> >> I guess there is no way to really win :) >> >> -Larry > Pocono is a track where slow guys can stay high and give the fast line to >the leaders. The trouble with this...is the flat nature of Pocono. IF the >passing car carries too much speed, he won't be able to stay down by the >curb and if he drifts up to the outside....whose there? The lappee... >dave henrie

Um, dave? My incident was on the front STRAIGHT... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> You did well anyway Eldred! > OH - btw, > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!!!! > > (You deserved to win!) > -- > ed_ > >

It was your birthday Eldred? Happy birthday bro! So you're only 17 days younger than I am eh? :-P -- Fester "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff it." -- Stirling Moss

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > >>Congrats to John Simmons! >>Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html >>Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> >> > > The #43 BlueDOT Glass Windex Monte Carlo was awesome and was running > pretty good all day. I knew we could keep up with the leaders and if we > managed our tires and fuel correctly, we'd be in contention for the win. > The pit crew was awesome, especially the awesome jack man. We hired him > away from Jeff Gordon and he has a thing for awesome jack handles, but > we thinkhe's getting over that (and that's simply awesome). He did an > awesome job on our one and only awesome pit stop. I couldn't ask for a > more awesome crew chief either - Wankle McDangle really deserves kudos > for an awesome job. Of course, we have awesome sponsors too. BlueDOT > Glass signed the big check late in the season, and we're happy to have > performed so awesomely for them. Pocono is an awesome track and the > fans are awesome, and awesome awesome awesome with awesome and plenty of > awesome from down deep in awesome awesome awesome. Lastly, awesome. I > really mean that. >

Err John.... you forgot to change your hat. Here... -- Fester "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff it." -- Stirling Moss

David G Fisher wrote: > In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car was slower on > acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out of the > 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebooted the > game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of > drafting was just a 55.6. Did you recalibrate your controller? -- Fester "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff it." -- Stirling Moss

Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in that RACE... :( Eldred ---------------------------------------------- I pulled out of it. I was driving badly and was having a hard time with the setup. I felt it safer and more fun for all if I left. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 Rascar slow poke ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in that RACE... :( Eldred ---------------------------------------------- I pulled out of it. I was driving badly and was having a hard time with the setup. I felt it safer and more fun for all if I left. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 Rascar slow poke ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

How about Cleveland or the Osterreichring? Or St. Jovite? :-) Achim "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > BTW, where are we running next week?...

In article <advfsp$2j92g$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>How about Cleveland or the Osterreichring? Or St. Jovite? :-) > >Achim > > > >"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >... >> BTW, where are we running next week?

Earth to Achim, Earth to Achim...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:08:46 +0200, Carl Ribbegaardh ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> How about the temperature? >> Could it have been a hot race? >> Wind? >> > >BTW, where are we running next week?

Michigan. We're going to follow the NASCAR schedule for a while. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:08:46 +0200, Carl Ribbegaardh >> How about the temperature? >> Could it have been a hot race? >> Wind? >BTW, where are we running next week?

Michigan. We're going to follow the NASCAR schedule for a while. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <7GIM8.600$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ \" Busch" <[email hidden]> says...

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> Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in that RACE... :( > > Eldred > ---------------------------------------------- > I pulled out of it. I was driving badly and was having a hard time with the > setup. I felt it safer and more fun for all if I left. > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch

Eldred, you did just fine (you weren't last - grin). Just go ahead and join the races, drive your best, and have some fun. For Eldred, ZZ, and anyone else that feels the same way they do): If you feel like you don't have a handle on the car, ease up a bit on the speed, and don't take any chances. Believe me when I say that the car will come to you if you persist at trying to find it. I'm most certainly not the fastest guy here (middle of the pack practice/qual/finish). I drive with the mindset to not crash or spin regardless of the outcome of the race. Many times, that means lifting earlier for the turns, braking a little longer than is really necessary, and stabbing the gas later than you should have to. In all honesty, I think GPL made me a better stockcar driver because I learned that car control is much more important than speed, and that the better you can control your car, the more speed you will have. It's a mindset, pure and simple. You guys have it, you just have to realize it for yourselves. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Fixed weather, 70 degrees, no wind. -John "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adv5uu$2g9nq$[email hidden]...

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> How about the temperature? > Could it have been a hot race? > Wind? > > /Carl > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You know David, I had the EXACT same thing happen to me awhile back at > an > > Indy race..........joined in practice race-night, and it was like I was > > dragging an anchor(fixed setup/weather). > > At the time, I told myself I was imagining things, but numbers don't > lie. > > Then, thought it was my pots; quickly replace them, same thing. > > > > Veeery interesting.......... > > > > -John > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jwxM8.104798$[email hidden]... > > > This was a shi**y race for me. :-) > > > > > > First of all, I had four freezes. I give up on that now. I just wasted > > money > > > on a new CD-RW yesterday in a desperate attempt to solve the problem

(to > > go > > > along with wasting money by replacing perfectly good ram awhile back). > > > > > > More importantly to me is why the h*ll was my car so slow? I can do > 55.5's > > > fairly easily, and my best with the fixed fast setup (no draft helpand > > > actually very little practice) is a 55.136. Did a 55.15 late lastnight

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> > and > > > just did the 55.136 after the race offline to make sure I wasn't going > > > crazy. 55.2's and 55'3's weren't rare in testing the past couple of > days. > > > > > > In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car was > slower > > on > > > acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out of > the > > > 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebooted > the > > > game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of > > > drafting was just a 55.6. > > > > > > Looking at the results at the RASCAR page, it's obvious to me that > > something > > > was screwed up with my game as the qualifying times are right where I > > > expected them to be for guys like Jason and Ian based on what they

said > > they > > > were able to do the past few days in practice. > > > > > > Anyone have any idea why this would happen? I drove 100 lapscompletely > > > pissed because of this. I wonder how many of you had the samesituation

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> > but > > > just didnt realize it? > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Typical, around lap 25 i lost my focus, changed down to second in > > > > turn 2 and blew the engine... > > > > > > > > It was noticable that most drivers were a lot more careful this

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> > > > looked like good clean racing to me. > > > > > > > > Now, if we could only keep that attitude, and turn the yellows on > > > > again :) > > > > > > > > Olav > > > > > > > > > > > >

Maybe, but I still think it's fishy :) Btw, it was fixed weather, no wind. In my case, the grip level was very obviously, dramatically, increased from minutes before. I think it's safe to say it wasn't my driving style, not when the difference is seconds, not tenths, and I was several seconds off the slowest car's pace :) -John "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:advc5g$2hu3h$[email hidden]... > I'm not sure you guys are really up to something there. > > I have the same experience that sometimes for whatever reasons my laptimes > just aren't where they should be, but I usually find out that it's eithermy > driving because then at one point the fast laps come back, or if theydon't, > nobody else is faster than me either, so it seems to affect everyone elseas

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> well and can be put down to environmental conditions apparently. Remember > the Nx series does simulate the movement of air at certain stages of the > race _apart_ from normal wind, for example, although I don't know to which > extent. > > If you're the only one affected by it in a race, I'd consider it a safe > guess its your driving ;-) > > Achim > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You know David, I had the EXACT same thing happen to me awhile back at > an > > Indy race..........joined in practice race-night, and it was like I was > > dragging an anchor(fixed setup/weather). > > At the time, I told myself I was imagining things, but numbers don't > lie. > > Then, thought it was my pots; quickly replace them, same thing. > > > > Veeery interesting.......... > > > > -John > >

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> For Eldred, ZZ, and anyone else that feels the same way they do): > > If you feel like you don't have a handle on the car, ease up a bit on > the speed, and don't take any chances. Believe me when I say that the > car will come to you if you persist at trying to find it. > > I'm most certainly not the fastest guy here (middle of the pack > practice/qual/finish). I drive with the mindset to not crash or spin > regardless of the outcome of the race. Many times, that means lifting > earlier for the turns, braking a little longer than is really necessary, > and stabbing the gas later than you should have to. > > In all honesty, I think GPL made me a better stockcar driver because I > learned that car control is much more important than speed, and that the > better you can control your car, the more speed you will have. > > It's a mindset, pure and simple. You guys have it, you just have to > realize it for yourselves. >

I was back there with Eldred and ZZ until I tried to pass(yes pass!) someone, hooked the curb and spun. Then a short while later(now behind Eldred and ZZ) I hit a wall(always get that confused, wall good or wall bad?) then while poking along with a little damage I moved high at the tunnel turn to let somebody thru and hooked into the inner wall...(wall bad I guess) engine damaged but running, crawled back to the pits for repairs...got out again but only did one lap...couldn't even break 100mph...so back to the pits to retire. Oh well don't worry folks, it'll be along time before I get another Saturday off...:) dave henrie

I had to at least try :-) Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > >How about Cleveland or the Osterreichring? Or St. Jovite? :-)...

Yes, a couple of times. Davifd G Fisher "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > > In practice before the race I noticed immediately that the car wasslower on > > acceleration. My practice times sucked and I couldn't even get out ofthe > > 56's! Qualified with a 56.006. Disconnected from the race and rebootedthe

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> > game but was still slow in warmup. My best race time with the help of > > drafting was just a 55.6. > > > > Did you recalibrate your controller? > > > -- > > Fester > > "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If > they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff > it." -- Stirling Moss >

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, you did just fine (you weren't last - grin). Just go ahead and >join the races, drive your best, and have some fun. > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds off everyone's pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was that people either crashed out, got disco'd, or had to leave for other reasons. >For Eldred, ZZ, and anyone else that feels the same way they do): > >If you feel like you don't have a handle on the car, ease up a bit on >the speed, and don't take any chances. Believe me when I say that the >car will come to you if you persist at trying to find it. I couldn't even keep up with people when I was right behind them, following in their tire tracks. I don't understand why, either. If I slowed enough to make the turn, the car in front pulled away. If I tried to maintain the same speed, my car washed out in the turn. Frustrating. I had to actually BRAKE in turn 2 to stay in control - I didn't see too many other cars that had to do that...

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>I'm most certainly not the fastest guy here (middle of the pack >practice/qual/finish). I drive with the mindset to not crash or spin >regardless of the outcome of the race. Many times, that means lifting >earlier for the turns, braking a little longer than is really necessary, >and stabbing the gas later than you should have to. > >In all honesty, I think GPL made me a better stockcar driver because I >learned that car control is much more important than speed, and that the >better you can control your car, the more speed you will have. > >It's a mindset, pure and simple. You guys have it, you just have to >realize it for yourselves.

ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league we're in, he beats me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He just had a problem yesterday for some reason... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If we continue to follow the real WC schedule, then we are about to do the following tracks all over again after just running them in recent weeks: Chicago New Hampshire Pocono (run twice already) Indy WG (twice already) Michigan Bristol (twice already) Richmond Dover (twice already) Kansas Doesn't sound like fun. How about throwing in some tracks we've missed like Texas and Las Vegas, and also we could run Coca Cola. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe Schuerkamp > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:08:46 +0200, Carl Ribbegaardh > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> How about the temperature? > >> Could it have been a hot race? > >> Wind? > >> > > > >BTW, where are we running next week? > > Michigan. We're going to follow the NASCAR schedule for a while. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Congrats to John Simmons! > > Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html > > Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> > > > > The #43 BlueDOT Glass Windex Monte Carlo was awesome and was running

That was a totally most awesome racap of your window cleaning race. alas, after 2 yrs, i think my trusty nascar pro has finally gone the way of the dinosaur..... cable, new bigger monitor..... now i can't afford the new wheel until the old budget catches back up.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 12:07:45 GMT, Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote: > > If we're following the Winston Cup schedule now, I think it's Michigan. I > could be wrong though... > Thanks for the info, Jan! > In case you haven't receive or downloaded the apology I sent you by mail NP. I hope you liked the Tux on my rear end ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:advc5g$2hu3h$[email hidden]... > I'm not sure you guys are really up to something there. > > I have the same experience that sometimes for whatever reasons my laptimes > just aren't where they should be, but I usually find out that it's eithermy naaah,,, if it ever happens to you, you'll know what they're speaking of.... it's way different. it's like racing thru clear jello that keeps everything looking the same, just slower. it's happened to me a couple of times online. i thought it was the old 56k..... after having it one more time without the 56k... it's something else..... it's intermittent, but it seems i know it first by my perception of speed, when i know i should be faster. rob

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:13:34 -0400, Richard "ZZ" Busch <[email hidden]> wrote: > Eldred > ---------------------------------------------- > I pulled out of it. I was driving badly and was having a hard time with the > setup. I felt it safer and more fun for all if I left. did you take a look at Ed's excellent Dover movie? According to it I shouldn't even have been allowed to the grid at Pocono! Sorry you left so soon, I would have loved a good battle with you in that race. Now on to Michigan! uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On 09 Jun 2002 18:23:27 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds off everyone's > pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was that people either crashed out, > got disco'd, or had to leave for other reasons. > Not true. You beat me fair and square, Elred, and my tyres, they were a'flamin ;-) Honestly, good drive. I made two pit stops that last a wee while longer than they should have. Otherwise, I gave my best, and still you beat me. Now look at your gpl handicap and look at mine. What does this tell us? Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Eldred, you did just fine (you weren't last - grin). Just go ahead and > >join the races, drive your best, and have some fun. > > > > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds off everyone's > pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was that people either crashed out, > got disco'd, or had to leave for other reasons. > >For Eldred, ZZ, and anyone else that feels the same way they do): > > > >If you feel like you don't have a handle on the car, ease up a bit on > >the speed, and don't take any chances. Believe me when I say that the > >car will come to you if you persist at trying to find it. > > I couldn't even keep up with people when I was right behind them, following in > their tire tracks. I don't understand why, either. If I slowed enough to make > the turn, the car in front pulled away. If I tried to maintain the same speed, > my car washed out in the turn. Frustrating. I had to actually BRAKE in turn 2 > to stay in control - I didn't see too many other cars that had to do that...

I was braking for all the turns... I'll watch the replay and try to see what you're doing. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <ae0g8t$2s18k$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > could it be some background task on your own system making things slower? > That would cause the jello feeling > It's happened to me a couple of times, but only online, and only at Taladega. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league we're in, he beats me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He just had a problem yesterday for some reason... Eldred ----------------------------------- Thx Eldred. I just had a hard with the handle for the setup. Plus I just switched to a USB controller for my TSW2 and need to get 250k ohm pots for it. They come Monday. I hate being a lapped car and being a hazard to other drivers, so I left. I'll be back ( Quotes the Terminator) ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league we're in, he beats me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He just had a problem yesterday for some reason... Eldred ----------------------------------- Thx Eldred. I just had a hard with the handle for the setup. Plus I just switched to a USB controller for my TSW2 and need to get 250k ohm pots for it. They come Monday. I hate being a lapped car and being a hazard to other drivers, so I left. I'll be back ( Quotes the Terminator) ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

In article <j_PM8.766$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ \" Busch" <[email hidden]> says...

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> ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league we're in, he beats > me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He just had a problem yesterday for some > reason... > > Eldred > ----------------------------------- > Thx Eldred. > I just had a hard with the handle for the setup. Plus I just switched to a > USB controller for my TSW2 and need to get 250k ohm pots for it. They come > Monday. > I hate being a lapped car and being a hazard to other drivers, so I left. > I'll be back ( Quotes the Terminator) ;-)

You stopped using a TSW in favor of a USB wheel? Are you insane? -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"switched to a USB controller FOR my TSW2" I think he just added the USB adapter that TSW has now. Schooner2000 www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <j_PM8.766$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ > \" Busch" <[email hidden]> says... > > ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league we're in, hebeats > > me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He just had a problem yesterday forsome > > reason... > > > > Eldred > > ----------------------------------- > > Thx Eldred. > > I just had a hard with the handle for the setup. Plus I just switched toa > > USB controller for my TSW2 and need to get 250k ohm pots for it. Theycome > > Monday. > > I hate being a lapped car and being a hazard to other drivers, so Ileft.

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> > I'll be back ( Quotes the Terminator) ;-) > > You stopped using a TSW in favor of a USB wheel? Are you insane? > > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Should be Michigan ? Practice Early. The fast setup is _very_ pushy. -Larry "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:08:46 +0200, Carl Ribbegaardh<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > How about the temperature? > > Could it have been a hot race? > > Wind? > > > > BTW, where are we running next week? > > Cheers, > > uwe > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I think we did Loudon already,too. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nqNM8.180281$%[email hidden]...

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> If we continue to follow the real WC schedule, then we are about to do the > following tracks all over again after just running them in recent weeks: > > Chicago > New Hampshire > Pocono (run twice already) > Indy > WG (twice already) > Michigan > Bristol (twice already) > Richmond > Dover (twice already) > Kansas > > Doesn't sound like fun. > > How about throwing in some tracks we've missed like Texas and Las Vegas,

and > also we could run Coca Cola. > > David G Fisher

could it be some background task on your own system making things slower? That would cause the jello feeling Achim "reverend rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d03af95$[email hidden]... ... > if it ever happens to you, you'll know what they're speaking of.... it'sway > different. it's like racing thru clear jello that keeps everythinglooking > the same, just slower. it's happened to me a couple of times online. i > thought it was the old 56k..... after having it one more time without the > 56k... it's something else..... > > it's intermittent, but it seems i know it first by my perception of speed, > when i know i should be faster.

"EldredP" wrote... > > > Truthfully, I didn't even deserve to be in > > > that RACE... :( Nonsense Eldred... the whole idea behind this whole mess was to let all skill levels race without having to worry about their intentions being mistaken. You have a right to be there _and_ defend your position. In a no yellows race and within the respective fuel windows, me (being faster in reference to you than usual) ending up behind you means I messed up big time, end of story. There is no reason for you to compromise your race to aide in my recovery. Thanks all the same though. > > <snip> > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds > off everyone's pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was > that people either crashed out, got disco'd, or had to leave for > other reasons. All the same... you finished ahead of some by keeping it together better for longer than them. Over here we say: "flowers are handed out at the finish line". I.e. No matter how much more skilled one may supposedly be, if one doesn't produce the goods come crunch time, someone else will steal one's thunder. Some people may have been quicker, but you lasted longer and, IMO, there's more credit in that.

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> > <snip> > I couldn't even keep up with people when I was right behind > them, following in their tire tracks. I don't understand > why, either. If I slowed enough to make the turn, the car > in front pulled away. If I tried to maintain the same speed, > my car washed out in the turn. Frustrating. I had to > actually BRAKE in turn 2 to stay in control - I didn't see > too many other cars that had to do that...

That's par for the course Eldred... stick close to the car ahead and you will experience the effects of its dirty air, the so called "aero push". The trick is to use this to one's advantage... e.g. you might go in a little low/hot and not have the back end come around as the front loses more traction than usual in running up on the car in front. > > <snip> > ZZ is a better driver than I am - he beats me in a league > we're in, he beats me(usually) in the RASCAR races. He > just had a problem yesterday for some reason... While it's true Rich had some bad karma, you shouldn't discount yourself. Racing is a profoundly personal experience, what matter is how well you make the best of your situation, regardless of being off the general pace or not. If you don't approach your racing from this or a similar angle, you are going to frustrate yourself out of the game eventually. Jan. =---

One possible cause could be that someone with a bad connection is on that server. If only one of the others has a seriously bad connection (mainly bad quality causes this) all other clients will feel it - it can cause precisely the jello feeling Rob described. If there are two or more clients with a bad connection, this can make the driving really difficult because the car is more difficult to control, and it can even cause others with good connections to get discoed. I'm not entirely sure about the technical background anymore (I used to know this when GPL was still young) but one of the Papy guys in the forum could probably explain it easily. Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ae0g8t$2s18k$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > could it be some background task on your own system making thingsslower? > > That would cause the jello feeling > > > > It's happened to me a couple of times, but only online, and only at > Taladega.

In article <nqNM8.180281$%[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >How about throwing in some tracks we've missed like Texas and Las Vegas, and >also we could run Coca Cola. Well, we haven't run Michigan yet, so that will still be on the 15th. I can mix in the ones you mentioned. Coca Cola should be...um, interesting...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Not true. You beat me fair and square, Elred, and my tyres, >they were a'flamin ;-) > >Honestly, good drive. I made two pit stops that last a wee >while longer than they should have. Otherwise, I gave my best, >and still you beat me. > >Now look at your gpl handicap and look at mine. > >What does this tell us?

It tells me that I got lucky...<g> I couldn't even keep UP with you until you spun and crashed. I'm guessing that you took some damage in that incident. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You stopped using a TSW in favor of a USB wheel? Are you insane? --------------------------- Ummmmmm, no. I meant that I use my TSW2 with a USB connection, instead of the Game port. Which seems to not work to well with XP Pro. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

You stopped using a TSW in favor of a USB wheel? Are you insane? --------------------------- Ummmmmm, no. I meant that I use my TSW2 with a USB connection, instead of the Game port. Which seems to not work to well with XP Pro. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Apologies if you've mentioned this already, but what pots are you using ? The USB adapter for a TSW only works with one particular set of pots, check their site for details. -John "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oTSM8.1969$[email hidden]...

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> You stopped using a TSW in favor of a USB wheel? Are you insane? > --------------------------- > > Ummmmmm, no. I meant that I use my TSW2 with a USB connection, instead of > the Game port. Which seems to not work to well with XP Pro. > > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > GPL Rank + 21.54 > MoGPL Rank + 365.57 > > http://www.ZZBusch.com > ---------------- > Busch Motorsports: > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > Busch Carpentry: > A good carpenter can nail anything > ----------------- > > > > > >

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>I think we did Loudon already,too. > >-Larry > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:nqNM8.180281$%[email hidden]... >> If we continue to follow the real WC schedule, then we are about to do the >> following tracks all over again after just running them in recent weeks: >> >> Chicago >> New Hampshire

Well, YEAH - Louden *is* New Hampshire... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote in message > > > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds off everyone's > pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was that people either crashedout, > got disco'd, or had to leave for other reasons. > Not true, Eldred. For the last 8 or so laps, I could catch up to you, but couldn't find a way to pass, 'cause you stayed on the line & didn't mess up. Trust me, I was on your bumper a few times trying to force you into a mistake, & you didn't cooperate. ;-/ > I couldn't even keep up with people when I was right behind them, following in > their tire tracks. I don't understand why, either. If I slowed enough tomake > the turn, the car in front pulled away. If I tried to maintain the samespeed, > my car washed out in the turn. Frustrating. I had to actually BRAKE in turn2 > to stay in control - I didn't see too many other cars that had to do that... > FWIW, from a middle o' the packer, I use 2 different ways to handle the tunnel turn. Either back off between the last caution light & the 1st marker (4), & coast to the turn, or brake at the next to last marker (2), & get back on it when speed falls to ~145 or so. The only other thing I noticed when following you is that you seem to pinch the car down when exiting turn 3, rather than letting it drift to the wall entering the front straight, & you are losing lots of time there. (Tho not enough for me to get by <sniff>) Brian

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I agree. Pocono definetly was the right track to try the no yellows experiment on. Brian Oster

On 08 Jun 2002 22:46:48 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>Congrats to John Simmons! >Race results are up: http:www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html >Didn't think I'd get 'em don that quick, DID ya?<g> > >Sorry to the cars I jammed up on the front straight at around lap 58. There >was a group of 3 or 4 cars that were lapping me. My intention was to pull over >to the left and let the whole group go by, as I'd done before. For some reason >the lead car stayed right behind me as I moved left on the turn. We continued >until we were almost at the wall, and he tried to pass me on the left. So now, >I have to give him room on the left... We touched, I spun to the right, into >the other cars that had stayed on the right. I'm not sure what the lead car >was trying to do - I certainly wasn't gonna BLOCK him(remember, they were >lapping me). If he'd simply stayed to the right, he would have maintained his >position at the head of the draft, and everyone would have gone on their way. >Oh well...I *tried*... :( > >Eldred

That was me. I realized too late that you wanted me to pass you high. I got a run off of 3 underneath you and by the time you started to move over, I was all ready committed to the inside. I have not looked at the replay yet, but I assume that the rest of the cars were passing to the outside which probably put you in the middle and I probably didn't give you enough room on the outside. Anyway, just a racing deal. I would like to apoligize to the cars that I took out late in the race when I self spun off of T3 (how I managed to spin out with that setup I will never know). I took out the car right behind me and then when trying to get off the track drove into the path of another car. A real bone-headed move on my part... sorry. Brian Oster

I just have gotten crashed out by someone <g> Achim "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > ...to beat a beta tester then was a real joy :)...

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: >I agree. Pocono definetly was the right track to try the no yellows >experiment on. Thank you!<g> Yellows will be back on for Michigan. Maybe then I could stay on the lead lap... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes:

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>That was me. I realized too late that you wanted me to pass you high. >I got a run off of 3 underneath you and by the time you started to >move over, I was all ready committed to the inside. I have not looked >at the replay yet, but I assume that the rest of the cars were passing >to the outside which probably put you in the middle and I probably >didn't give you enough room on the outside. Anyway, just a racing >deal. >

That's the problem with not being able to map a chat command to a button on the wheel. I couldn't reach the keyboard to send "pass high". :-( >I would like to apoligize to the cars that I took out late in the race >when I self spun off of T3 (how I managed to spin out with that setup >I will never know). I took out the car right behind me and then when >trying to get off the track drove into the path of another car. A >real bone-headed move on my part... sorry. I found that I was *constantly* in danger of spinning coming off the turns. It was a balancing act NOT to.. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Na1N8.6754$[email hidden]>, "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> writes: >Not true, Eldred. For the last 8 or so laps, I could catch up to you, but >couldn't find a way to pass, 'cause you stayed on the line & didn't mess up. >Trust me, I was on your bumper a few times trying to force you into a >mistake, & >you didn't cooperate. ;-/ >Yeah, I was defending my line a bit more near the end of the race. If you noticed, every other time you caught me, I let you by. >FWIW, from a middle o' the packer, I use 2 different ways to handle the >tunnel >turn. Either back off between the last caution light & the 1st marker (4), & >coast to the turn, or brake at the next to last marker (2), & get back on it >when speed falls to ~145 or so. I'm not even looking at the speedo. I got so dependent on that in the earlier NASCAR and ICR games that it hurt me in GPL. So when I went back to N4 and N2002, I turned it off.

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> >The only other thing I noticed when following you is that you seem to pinch >the >car down when exiting turn 3, rather than letting it drift to the wall >entering >the front straight, & you are losing lots of time there. (Tho not enough for >me >to get by <sniff>)

I seem to do that in all racing games. Scared of the wall(and track-out) I guess, so I leave a greater margin of error. I wonder how much of that is due to faulty perception? Meaning, I can't tell how much room I really have on turn exit. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm looking forwared to Coca Cola :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <nqNM8.180281$%[email hidden]>, "DavidG > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >How about throwing in some tracks we've missed like Texas and Las Vegas,and > >also we could run Coca Cola. > > Well, we haven't run Michigan yet, so that will still be on the 15th. Ican > mix in the ones you mentioned. Coca Cola should be...um,interesting...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I had a similar problem with turn 3. I have an uncanny ability to just (barely) catch the very, VERY tip of the inside curb coming out of turn 3. I practiced an hour a night for 3 days trying to break that habit but dammit it was like there was a magnet there. It didn't really cause me _that_ much trouble, but it can upset the car just enough that you have to back-peddal for a split second to stay out of the wall. -Larry "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Na1N8.6754$[email hidden]... > EldredP wrote in message > > > > > The "fun" factor tends to vanish when you're at least 2 seconds offeveryone's > > pace. The only reason I didn't finish last was that people eithercrashed > out, > > got disco'd, or had to leave for other reasons. > > > > Not true, Eldred. For the last 8 or so laps, I could catch up to you, but > couldn't find a way to pass, 'cause you stayed on the line & didn't messup. > Trust me, I was on your bumper a few times trying to force you into amistake, & > you didn't cooperate. ;-/ > > > > I couldn't even keep up with people when I was right behind them,following in > > their tire tracks. I don't understand why, either. If I slowed enoughto > make > > the turn, the car in front pulled away. If I tried to maintain the same > speed, > > my car washed out in the turn. Frustrating. I had to actually BRAKE inturn > 2 > > to stay in control - I didn't see too many other cars that had to dothat... > > > > FWIW, from a middle o' the packer, I use 2 different ways to handle thetunnel > turn. Either back off between the last caution light & the 1st marker(4), & > coast to the turn, or brake at the next to last marker (2), & get back onit > when speed falls to ~145 or so. > > The only other thing I noticed when following you is that you seem topinch the > car down when exiting turn 3, rather than letting it drift to the wallentering > the front straight, & you are losing lots of time there. (Tho not enoughfor me > to get by <sniff>) > > Brian > >

Excellent! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > >I agree. Pocono definetly was the right track to try the no yellows > >experiment on. > > Thank you!<g> Yellows will be back on for Michigan. Maybe then I could

stay > on the lead lap... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Excellent! -Larry > >I agree. Pocono definetly was the right track to try the no yellows > >experiment on. > Thank you!<g> Yellows will be back on for Michigan. Maybe then I could stay > on the lead lap... > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer research. The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 10 Jun 2002 18:05:46 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster ><bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > >>That was me. I realized too late that you wanted me to pass you high. >>I got a run off of 3 underneath you and by the time you started to >>move over, I was all ready committed to the inside. I have not looked >>at the replay yet, but I assume that the rest of the cars were passing >>to the outside which probably put you in the middle and I probably >>didn't give you enough room on the outside. Anyway, just a racing >>deal. >> > >That's the problem with not being able to map a chat command to a button on the >wheel. I couldn't reach the keyboard to send "pass high". :-( >

I have the same problem. I use a MSFF wheel and I only have 6 buttons to program. I can't afford to waste chat messages on them. I find that if I take my eyes of the screen to search for one of the chat keys I usually end up causing a bigger mess than if I just drive. Guess I need to look into game commander or what ever it's called... Brian Oster

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:29:07 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I had a similar problem with turn 3. > >I have an uncanny ability to just (barely) catch the very, VERY tip of the >inside curb coming out of turn 3. I practiced an hour a night for 3 days >trying to break that habit but dammit it was like there was a magnet there. > >It didn't really cause me _that_ much trouble, but it can upset the car just >enough that you have to back-peddal for a split second to stay out of the >wall. > >-Larry >

Actually, I feel that I have take the turn pretty good when I just touch the inside curb coming out of T3. Of course I "touched" it a little too hard in Sat. race which is why I spun. Brian Oster

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: >I have the same problem. I use a MSFF wheel and I only have 6 buttons >to program. I can't afford to waste chat messages on them. *Only* 6? I have *2*...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 11 Jun 2002 04:45:04 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > *Only* 6? I have *2*...<g> Two??? I have NONE!!!! ;-) I hope that's ok for the rest of you, but I have in-car chat turned off anyway and hope to make my actions clear by behaviour on the track... cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I have 6 where one is assigned as shiftbutton => 10 possible buttons. All are assined to chat-commands ;-) The paddles in shifted mode is actually also used, so it makes 12 chatcommands in use. In Nascar, there is a lot of use for the chat-commands, especially if you are on an open server and want to stay out of trouble. The few times I want to change anything, I use the keyboard. (I am considering changing 2 or 4 buttons to f1,f2,f3,f6, but then I've not been in a restrictor SS race for a while) /Carl "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 11 Jun 2002 04:45:04 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > *Only* 6? I have *2*...<g> > > Two??? I have NONE!!!! ;-) > > I hope that's ok for the rest of you, but I have in-car chat > turned off anyway and hope to make my actions clear by > behaviour on the track... > > cheers, > > uwe > > > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61