Tourist Trophy: OMG

Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, interspersed with narrow country lanes that look more like rally stages. On a variety of bikes ranging from 125cc to 1-liter, the same bunch of riders (all U.K. specialists, with delightful Brit names like 'Milky Quayle') hit 170 mph and post lap averages of 125 mph! They aren't supposed to be racing wheel-to-wheel (they're flagged off at intervals, like the Mille Miglia), but of course they catch each other up, and go two-wide where a donkey cart would be a tight fit. Absolutely the most dangerous-looking motor racing going on anywhere in the wrold today (and they've been at it since 1907). The big winner was David Jeffries, who despite the fact that he's so big he looks like he's riding kiddie bikes, won three races in the week-long speed fest. Catch it in re-runs. --Steve

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The > 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, interspersed with > narrow country lanes that look more like rally stages. On a variety of > bikes ranging from 125cc to 1-liter, the same bunch of riders (all U.K. > specialists, with delightful Brit names like 'Milky Quayle') hit 170 mphand > post lap averages of 125 mph! They aren't supposed to be racing > wheel-to-wheel (they're flagged off at intervals, like the Mille Miglia), > but of course they catch each other up, and go two-wide where a donkeycart > would be a tight fit. Absolutely the most dangerous-looking motor racing > going on anywhere in the wrold today (and they've been at it since 1907). > The big winner was David Jeffries, who despite the fact that he's so bighe > looks like he's riding kiddie bikes, won three races in the week-longspeed > fest. Catch it in re-runs. I *always* try to catch it when it's on Speedvision. Marvelous stuff- a nice change from the sanitized and characterless tracks which are becoming so common, but I do worry about the safety.

I saw it, it was awesome, just flat out speed and total insanity. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The > 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, interspersed with > narrow country lanes that look more like rally stages. On a variety of > bikes ranging from 125cc to 1-liter, the same bunch of riders (all U.K. > specialists, with delightful Brit names like 'Milky Quayle') hit 170 mphand > post lap averages of 125 mph! They aren't supposed to be racing > wheel-to-wheel (they're flagged off at intervals, like the Mille Miglia), > but of course they catch each other up, and go two-wide where a donkeycart > would be a tight fit. Absolutely the most dangerous-looking motor racing > going on anywhere in the wrold today (and they've been at it since 1907). > The big winner was David Jeffries, who despite the fact that he's so bighe > looks like he's riding kiddie bikes, won three races in the week-longspeed > fest. Catch it in re-runs. > > --Steve > >

You know, its funny that you should say that because Thornham reminds me of a small Manx TT circuit too!! Gavin B "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The > 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, interspersed with > narrow country lanes that look more like rally stages. On a variety of > bikes ranging from 125cc to 1-liter, the same bunch of riders (all U.K. > specialists, with delightful Brit names like 'Milky Quayle') hit 170 mphand > post lap averages of 125 mph! They aren't supposed to be racing > wheel-to-wheel (they're flagged off at intervals, like the Mille Miglia), > but of course they catch each other up, and go two-wide where a donkeycart > would be a tight fit. Absolutely the most dangerous-looking motor racing > going on anywhere in the wrold today (and they've been at it since 1907). > The big winner was David Jeffries, who despite the fact that he's so bighe > looks like he's riding kiddie bikes, won three races in the week-longspeed > fest. Catch it in re-runs. > > --Steve > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? Amazingly - despite it being possibly the most spectacular motorsport event of the year - there is NO coverage on any terestrial TV in the UK Doug

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ae1pbr$3418k$[email hidden]:

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> > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... >> Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? > > Amazingly - despite it being possibly the most spectacular motorsport > event of the year - there is NO coverage on any terestrial TV in the > UK > > Doug > > >

They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... Welcome to Shite Britannia

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>Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The >37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, interspersed with >narrow country lanes that look more like rally stages. On a variety of >bikes ranging from 125cc to 1-liter, the same bunch of riders (all U.K. >specialists, with delightful Brit names like 'Milky Quayle') hit 170 mph and >post lap averages of 125 mph! They aren't supposed to be racing >wheel-to-wheel (they're flagged off at intervals, like the Mille Miglia), >but of course they catch each other up, and go two-wide where a donkey cart >would be a tight fit. Absolutely the most dangerous-looking motor racing >going on anywhere in the wrold today (and they've been at it since 1907).

I've seen replays of that before. There's a fast left/right combo that has a crest in the turn. I've seen those guys get into a 'wobble' at about 130mph! Just ONE of those would make me say "Screw THAT!" :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:ae1pbr$3418k$[email hidden]: > >> >> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... >>> Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? >> >> Amazingly - despite it being possibly the most spectacular motorsport >> event of the year - there is NO coverage on any terestrial TV in the >> UK >> >> Doug >> >> >> > > They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so > dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... > > Welcome to Shite Britannia

The only reason the races are on the Isle of Man is because in 1904 the British goverment refused to allow racing on public roads. I suppose we should thank them for that, as the TT races would have perished long ago along with all the other great road races . Long live the TT, the last of the REAL road races. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -21.72 MonsterRank 16.55

>"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote > They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so > dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... What's the deal with headbutts in the UK? I mean, why can't you have this in movies and stuff? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote on 10 Jun 2002: > What's the deal with headbutts in the UK? I mean, why can't you > have this in movies and stuff? We do have headbutts shown, and on prime-time TV programmes too - they're called things like "Chelsea v Millwall, FA Cup 3rd round" <g> -- England 1 Argentina 0! Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

The last press conference I was in, after a real stem-winder, the p.r. wonk asked brightly, "Any questions?" A hand shot up. "Yes?" "How come prostitutes will never let you kiss them?" End of press conference. --Steve "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MA9N8.1065$[email hidden]...

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> >"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote > > They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so > > dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... > > > What's the deal with headbutts in the UK? I mean, why can't you have this > in movies and stuff? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Yep - the Isle of Man TT stands out as one of the greatest motorsports events of all time. If you want to *really* be blown away, track down a copy of "V-Four Victory", which chronicles Joey Dunlop at the TT with the early monster Honda V4. There's an entire lap of the TT from an on-board camera, narrated by the man himself - absolutely f-ing unbelievable! Joey describes parts of the circuit where he has to be careful about how far he leans over, so his helmet doesn't hit the stone walls!! I love the way he pronounces "quick bits" too ;). One of the heroes of motorsport - too bad he's gone :(. Kendt "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]>... Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? The 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, [snip]

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > >"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote > > They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so > > dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... > > What's the deal with headbutts in the UK? I mean, why can't you have this > in movies and stuff? You obviously haven't seen "bottom". -- -asbjxrn

The b/c said they just named a stretch of the Mountain Circuit after Joey. "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yep - the Isle of Man TT stands out as one of the greatest motorsports > events of all time. > If you want to *really* be blown away, track down a copy of "V-Four > Victory", which chronicles Joey Dunlop at the TT with the early > monster Honda V4. There's an entire lap of the TT from an on-board > camera, narrated by the man himself - absolutely f-ing unbelievable! > Joey describes parts of the circuit where he has to be careful about > how far he leans over, so his helmet doesn't hit the stone walls!! I > love the way he pronounces "quick bits" too ;). > One of the heroes of motorsport - too bad he's gone :(. > > Kendt > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]>... > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man > TT? The > 37-mile "Mountain Circuit" similar to GPL's Thornham, > > [snip]

Well the BBFC have always had strange ideas about what can and can't be shown in films The headbutt was removed to get a lower certificate (PG instead of 12) Of course its ok to watch say someones face melt off in an Indiana Jones movie which is also a PG <shrug> http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/ is a good site about film censorship type issues in the uk -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- now playing: L-Vee - Look Inside (Fire & ice mix) http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk - N�rburgring/GPL "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MA9N8.1065$[email hidden]... > >"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote > > They probably think it would be dangerously immoral to show something so > > dangerous on UK television. I mean we'd all be getting ideas then... > > > What's the deal with headbutts in the UK? I mean, why can't you have this > in movies and stuff? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

> One of the heroes of motorsport - too bad he's gone :(. > > Kendt Arguably the greatest road racer ever. It's a shame that we have to draw paralells with Jim Clark here. Both guys taming the wildest of beasts on the toughest of world series only to be killed in inconsequential club races...Irony MS

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae1pbr$3418k$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XVTM8.10644$[email hidden]... > > Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? > > Amazingly - despite it being possibly the most spectacular motorsportevent > of the year - there is NO coverage on any terestrial TV in the UK > > Doug > I think there was some coverage in N.Ireland :) Ash

Yup, "Ago's Leap", "Hailwood's Rise" and "Joey's.........." ah sh*t my memory's failed me, anyone? -- 1904 - Glenn H. Curtiss American aviation pioneer, makes first official 60mph motorcycle run. Powered by one of the first American made twin cylinder engines.

>Did you guys catch Speed Ch.'s coverage of the 2002 Isle of Man TT? Yessireeee.... The First episode on Sunday "TT Preview" had a full lap of Jefferies bike with mostly onboard camera view with him narrating. Good thing the weather for the races was fine for the most part, except for one start delay, (helicopters couldn't fly mist/fog) ahhhhh it wasn't like that in the old days, race rain or shine, fog or snow. I only heard of one racers death this year, I hate to be the "GrimReaper" but does anyone in the UK have a tally on this years total TT deaths? -- 1904 - Glenn H. Curtiss American aviation pioneer, makes first official 60mph motorcycle run. Powered by one of the first American made twin cylinder engines.

Sorry to butt in, I don't normally follow this group, but I came across this thread and I happen to have some answers to a couple of the questions posed: REDLINE426 wrote: > Yup, "Ago's Leap", "Hailwood's Rise" and "Joey's.........." ah sh*t my > memory's failed me, anyone? The corner sign just says "Joey's". REDLINE426 wrote: > I only heard of one racers death this year, I hate to be the "GrimReaper" > but does anyone in the UK have a tally on this years total TT deaths? I think the poor guy who came off on Bray Hill in the Monday night practice was the only racer to be killed this year. There were a couple of "civilian" motorcyclists killed in road accidents as well that I heard of, one a local resident and one a visitor. This year was an improvement over 2000 in that respect. The fact that Mad Sunday was wet probably helped. And finally Douglas Ellison wrote > Amazingly - despite it being possibly the most spectacular motorsportevent > of the year - there is NO coverage on any terestrial TV in the UK Stuff the TV coverage - GO THERE! :-) Or order the video from http://www.dukevideo.com. ...Andy

Thanks Andy, I guess my memory isn't failing as bad as I thought. I listened to as much as I could of the practices and races on RadioTT and only caught the referance to "Joey's" on one section of the track. As far as the death's go, after culling through the IOMTT message boards & the http://www.iomonline.co.im newspaper I think the total is 4, 1 racer & 3 civilian's. 1 racer death is a great improvement (screw the drunk bikers) from previous years. Just interested in this as to the situation of Insurance and the furture of the TT, (I hope to be able to attend someday)........ :-) DukeVideo? bollocks them for charging for the Grandstand WebCam. Thanks for the responce. -- Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 1919 - Ralph DePalma Driving Champion and winner of hundreds of races, sets new 1 mile record driving 905 cubic inch V-12 Packard on beach at 149.875 mph. DePalma also sets World Records for distances of 2 to 20 miles and standing mile. His standing mile record of 92.713 mph is unbroken for 36 years.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:00:07 -0400, "REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 >1919 - Ralph DePalma Driving Champion and winner of hundreds of races, sets >new 1 mile record driving 905 cubic inch V-12 Packard on beach at 149.875 >mph. DePalma also sets World Records for distances of 2 to 20 miles and >standing mile. His standing mile record of 92.713 mph is unbroken for 36 >years. Set 1919 and unbroken for 36 years? Hard to believe. Mercedes-Benz and Auto-Union both went for records in the 1930s, and especially the mid-engine Auto-Unions with Hans Stuck and Bernd Rosemeyer set world records for the acceleration disciplines. I'm pretty sure the "Meile mit stehendem Start" was mentioned, too. The record would mean that the mile had to be passed after about 38 seconds, something which any modern 200hp car should be able to do, and certainly a 500+ hp Grand Prix car. -- Matthias Flatt

>Set 1919 and unbroken for 36 years? Hard to believe. Huh? I think the key words are "standing mile" as is starting from a dead stop. And then there where alot of records that were, * RECORD IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY EUROPEAN AUTHORITY at the bottom of the page of here; http://www.spiritofamerica.com/car/lsr_history.html -- Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 1935 - In March Malcolm Campbell returns in Bluebird and breaks 300mph barrier with speed of 330mph on first leg of two way run. High winds on return run holds World Record to 276.820 mph. 276.71?? Last Record set on a beach. Bluebird = 2,500 HP Rolls-Royce Aircraft Engine.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:51:11 -0400, "REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Set 1919 and unbroken for 36 years? Hard to believe. >Huh?Exactly. Do you really think a 1919 record stood until 1955? >I think the key words are "standing mile" as is starting from a dead stop. I know the difference between "standing mile" and "flying mile". The wife of Bernd Rosemeyer, Elly Beinhorn, says in her book "Mein Mann der Rennfahrer" (My husband the race driver, 1938 edition owned by Grandma) on page 172: "In the morning, my husband took both Class B (over 5 litres) world records of standing Kilometer and standing Mile at the first attempt, which were left untouched since 1934, when Stuck secured the Kilometer and Carratsch the Mile. One has to think about what it means in reality to drive from a standing start on a line through a single tiny Kilometer or a Mile, which is approx 1.6 km, and achieve an average speed of 186.8 km/h (116mph) or on the Mile even 216.4 km/h (134.4 mph)". So the statement "His standing mile record of 92.713 mph is unbroken for 36 years" means that the 36 years lasted from 1919 to 1937 at best, and very probably not even up to 1934, as the 1934 GP cars were already quite quick, with well over 300hp. >And then there where alot of records that were, >* RECORD IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY EUROPEAN AUTHORITYHardly a world record, then, if it's not set under the rules and supervision of the FIA?

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>at the bottom of the page of here; >http://www.spiritofamerica.com/car/lsr_history.html >Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 >1935 - In March Malcolm Campbell returns in Bluebird and breaks 300mph >barrier with speed of 330mph on first leg of two way run. High winds on >return run holds World Record to 276.820 mph. 276.71?? Last Record set on a >beach. >Bluebird = 2,500 HP Rolls-Royce Aircraft Engine.

In 1937, the Grand Prix cars of Mercedes-Benz and Auto-Union with up to 6000cc (A-U) and up to 650hp (M-B), equipped with streamlined bodies, achieved up to 437 km/h (270 mph) in the world record attempts for cars up to 8000cc. These cars were also raced for 300 miles on the N�rburgring, which was abandoned 40 year later because the Formula 1 drivers considered racing their 500hp 200mph F1 cars for 200 miles too dangerous. The power of the 1937 GP cars was not beaten by Formula 1 until the 1980s with the turbos. In 1939, Hans Stuck and Mercedes-Benz wanted to go for the overall land speed record with a special built car called T-80, equipped with the engine of the Messerschmitt Me 109. The car was designed to run 650 km/h or 400mph, but the war set an end to the challenge. The car is at display in the Mercedes-Benz Musem in Stuttgart. -- Matthias Flatt