Re: Talking of cheats...

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> x-no-archive: yes > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit there > like a passanger. > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well take > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC. > > We must be the future. > > 'Cept I went and bought meself a _real_ kart. :-))))))))))))))))

and real F1 cars don't have ABS either. -- AG Remove removes from address to remove anti-spam measures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Gauton E-Mail agauton @ postmaster.co.uk Never for me the lowered banner, never the last endeavour! (Damon Hill - 16th June 1999)

"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2cg6$[email hidden]...

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> x-no-archive: yes > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit there > like a passanger. > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well take > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC. > > We must be the future. > > 'Cept I went and bought meself a _real_ kart. :-)))))))))))))))) > > R. >

This groups always going on about having a realistic sim If you want a realistic F1 sim - turn Traction Controll, Auto Upshift and Launch control all on. Doug

I drive with TC on for that very reason. ......and i don't have to switch it off to prove the length of my dick like the testosterone charged hotlap boys who look down their noses at any lap that isn't completed with ALL aids off...!!! Realism,SIMULATION is what we ask for and with TC on we have it. Morgan

> > Realism,SIMULATION is what we ask for and with TC on we have it. > > > Morgan > Agree, only turn off ABS braking, but leave LC and TC on for realism. -- Mvh Sven

"Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae344n$2tlc$[email hidden]...

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> > > > Realism,SIMULATION is what we ask for and with TC on we have it. > > > > > > Morgan > > > > Agree, only turn off ABS braking, but leave LC and TC on for realism.

But what about steering help. Entirely unrealistic - but it's 4 seconds a lap faster when you turn it on - and that puts me right at the sharp end of the AI - instead of mid field Doug

Not anymore, but the Williams FW17 in 1992 had it. It was banned 1993 along with the active suspension, tc, etc. yes.. F1 were much better back in the old days :) "Alan Gauton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > and real F1 cars don't have ABS either. >

Steeringhelp is for keyboard users. It increases your grip in the tires btw. Just turn it off?. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae386j$3jp4i$[email hidden]... > But what about steering help. > > Entirely unrealistic - but it's 4 seconds a lap faster when you turn iton - > and that puts me right at the sharp end of the AI - instead of mid field > > Doug > >

Well, in F1 2002, i think the LC works pretty good. You sit and watch the lights, and then release the button and the car flies away. But it also depends on your setup, how much grip you got etc. I think its pretty fun.. but its more a showoff on how good the technicians in the team are and how fast reactions the driver has. "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2cg6$[email hidden]...

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> x-no-archive: yes > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit there > like a passanger. > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well take > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC.

I think if you get good without the cheats and master all aspects of driving you'll find it much more gratifying. You won't want to use the cheats.

They're not cheats. Since the first one, cars have been built God knows how many different ways. One is not more *pure* than the other. David G Fisher "DJR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wHeN8.1041$[email hidden]... > I think if you get good without the cheats and master all aspects ofdriving > you'll find it much more gratifying. You won't want to use the cheats. > >

In article <qIbN8.42685$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Not anymore, but the Williams FW17 in 1992 had it. It was banned 1993 along > with the active suspension, tc, etc. > yes.. F1 were much better back in the old days :) > > "Alan Gauton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > and real F1 cars don't have ABS either.

OK, I should have said current F1 cars - BTW, that FW17 timewarped to 92, and had ABS retro-fitted? Mansell and Patrese drove FW14B in 92. (-: -- AG Remove removes from address to remove anti-spam measures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Gauton E-Mail agauton @ postmaster.co.uk Never for me the lowered banner, never the last endeavour! (Damon Hill - 16th June 1999)

I remember in the early 1900s when I as a driver had to avoid bumps in the ground, just to make sure the chassi didnt brake, but now with these modern aids as suspension, etc, i can just run over them. What a crazy world :( Or when i had to put in 1st gear with the engine constant at 800revs, and then wait until i reached about 10km/h just to force in 2nd gear. Or what about the new steeringwheel that dont hurt my hands when i run into something as much as it used to be?, that is for kids for gods sake. Downforce?, bah i prefer old fashion lift!. no serious. Since all drivers in F1 uses them, its not a cheat, is it? and for F1 2002, you dont have to use it, just wait for the red to drop, and drive away. I mean, how many drive GPL with throttle and brake and autogears?. TC in F1 2002 just makes you slower, cause the engine dont rev up in corners as it use without it. I usually only enable TC in rain, cause you dont have any g-forces that says if you spin or not :) "DJR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wHeN8.1041$[email hidden]... > I think if you get good without the cheats and master all aspects ofdriving > you'll find it much more gratifying. You won't want to use the cheats. > >

"Alan Gauton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <qIbN8.42685$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > OK, I should have said current F1 cars - BTW, that FW17 timewarped to 92, > and had ABS retro-fitted? Mansell and Patrese drove FW14B in 92. (-: Whops, my fault :D

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:idlN8.42741$[email hidden]...

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> > > "Alan Gauton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <qIbN8.42685$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > OK, I should have said current F1 cars - BTW, that FW17 timewarped to

92, > > and had ABS retro-fitted? Mansell and Patrese drove FW14B in 92. (-: > > Whops, my fault :D > Whoops! Picky picky...hehe...The Devil's in the Details.... My motto has always been: If you can't dazzle them with Brilliance, Baffle them with BS!! dave henrie

> But what about steering help. > > Entirely unrealistic - but it's 4 seconds a lap faster when you turn iton - > and that puts me right at the sharp end of the AI - instead of mid field > > Doug Well, you're right on this one, so here is my opinion of a "realistic" setup: Steering Assistance Off Opposite Lock Assistance Off Braking point Assistance Off Stability Assistance Off Spin Recovery Assistance Off Invulnerability Off Auto Shifting Off (or Upshift) Traction Control Low or High depending on your taste Anti-Lock Brakes Off Pit Lane Assistance Off Clutch Assistance On/Off depending if you have 2 or 3 pedals. This is how I set my Championship. Low / High on TC depends on the weather, the tracks grip and my skills on a specific track. Other opinions? -- Mvh Sven

>Traction Control Low or High depending on your taste Or off - Alesi didn't use it at all, and I think Montoya turned it off at Hockenheim last year as it enabled him to get a higher top speed -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- now playing: Nick Warren Essential Mix 3/10/99 http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk - N�rburgring/GPL

"Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae56ts$2tq0$[email hidden]... > Well, you're right on this one, so here is my opinion of a "realistic" > setup: > Auto Shifting Off (or Upshift) This is up to the driver. I saw renaults steeringwheel, it had a button that said "Automatic upshifts" and ive heard that some drivers tested fully automatic gearbox, but they prefer to atleast downshift themselfs. If someone wants to shift themselfs, its up to them i guess.. but its better with automatic, cause if the engine blows, you could always say it was the autogears that overreved the engine. > Traction Control Low or High depending on your taste I think low sometimes steals too much speed accelerating out of corners. Lucky we can map "Override TC" to a button on the wheel. TC high is preferable when driving in rain. > Anti-Lock Brakes Off This is something Ferrari should have installed in Rubens car at monaco, aswell as Massa's :) > Pit Lane Assistance Off David Coulthard didnt use this anyway :-)

Since F1 cars have the clutch on a lever you could argue that you should have it on even if you have only two pedals - put it on a button or something. Then again, there is such a thing as too much realism. ;o) "Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae56ts$2tq0$[email hidden]... > > But what about steering help. > > > > Entirely unrealistic - but it's 4 seconds a lap faster when you turnit > on - > > and that puts me right at the sharp end of the AI - instead of midfield

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> > > > Doug > > Well, you're right on this one, so here is my opinion of a "realistic" > setup: > Steering Assistance Off > Opposite Lock Assistance Off > Braking point Assistance Off > Stability Assistance Off > Spin Recovery Assistance Off > Invulnerability Off > Auto Shifting Off (or Upshift) > Traction Control Low or High depending on your taste > Anti-Lock Brakes Off > Pit Lane Assistance Off > Clutch Assistance On/Off depending if you have 2 or 3 pedals. > > This is how I set my Championship. Low / High on TC depends on the

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> the tracks grip and my skills on a specific track. > > Other opinions? > -- > > Mvh > Sven > > > >

I got a question I use the pro mode and this is how it is by default: Steering Assistance Off Opposite Lock Assistance Off Braking point Assistance Off Stability Assistance Off Spin Recovery Assistance Off Invulnerability Off Auto Shifting ON Traction Control High Anti-Lock Brakes High Pit Lane Assistance On Clutch Assistance On Well the problem is that with the pit assistance Off, once I leave the pits it stay's in 1st no matter if i use manual or auto transmission any body else experience this?? "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ae2cg6$[email hidden]...

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> x-no-archive: yes > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit there > like a passanger. > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well take > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC. > > We must be the future. > > 'Cept I went and bought meself a _real_ kart. :-)))))))))))))))) > > R. >

You need to map a button to your wheel which operates the pit speed limiter. David G Fisher "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mKyN8.131465$[email hidden]...

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> I got a question > I use the pro mode and this is how it is by default: > Steering Assistance Off > Opposite Lock Assistance Off > Braking point Assistance Off > Stability Assistance Off > Spin Recovery Assistance Off > Invulnerability Off > Auto Shifting ON > Traction Control High > Anti-Lock Brakes High > Pit Lane Assistance On > Clutch Assistance On > Well the problem is that with the pit assistance Off, once I leave the

pits > it stay's in 1st no matter if i use manual or auto transmission any body > else experience this?? > "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrotein

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> message news:ae2cg6$[email hidden]... > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit there > > like a passanger. > > > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well

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> > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC. > > > > We must be the future. > > > > 'Cept I went and bought meself a _real_ kart. :-)))))))))))))))) > > > > R. > > > >

Thanks that helped the revlimiter hehe, now what is TC overide ? "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7UyN8.70635$[email hidden]... > You need to map a button to your wheel which operates the pit speedlimiter.

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> > David G Fisher > > "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mKyN8.131465$[email hidden]... > > I got a question > > I use the pro mode and this is how it is by default: > > Steering Assistance Off > > Opposite Lock Assistance Off > > Braking point Assistance Off > > Stability Assistance Off > > Spin Recovery Assistance Off > > Invulnerability Off > > Auto Shifting ON > > Traction Control High > > Anti-Lock Brakes High > > Pit Lane Assistance On > > Clutch Assistance On > > Well the problem is that with the pit assistance Off, once I leave the > pits > > it stay's in 1st no matter if i use manual or auto transmission any body > > else experience this?? > > "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]>

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> in > > message news:ae2cg6$[email hidden]... > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > > > Thank god you can turn off launch control in F1 2002! > > > > > > Seems to defeat the object to me, when you press a button, and sit

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> > > like a passanger. > > > > > > Shit, with ABS, traction control and launch control, they may as well > take > > > the danger away by doing the whole race on my PC. > > > > > > We must be the future. > > > > > > 'Cept I went and bought meself a _real_ kart. :-)))))))))))))))) > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > >

If you have TC on, you can map a button that let's you turn it off temporarily at any point on the track if you think you might be faster without it. David G Fisher "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GhzN8.223899$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks that helped the revlimiter hehe, now what is TC overide ? > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7UyN8.70635$[email hidden]... > > You need to map a button to your wheel which operates the pit speed > limiter. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:mKyN8.131465$[email hidden]... > > > Well the problem is that with the pit assistance Off, once I leave the > > pits > > > it stay's in 1st no matter if i use manual or auto transmission any

body > > > else experience this?? > > >

Or if you want to pop your tyres infront of your fuming mechanics :) Luke -=87=- "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uwzN8.136195$[email hidden]...

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> If you have TC on, you can map a button that let's you turn it off > temporarily at any point on the track if you think you might be faster > without it. > > David G Fisher > > "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GhzN8.223899$[email hidden]... > > Thanks that helped the revlimiter hehe, now what is TC overide ? > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7UyN8.70635$[email hidden]... > > > You need to map a button to your wheel which operates the pit speed > > limiter. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Hans Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:mKyN8.131465$[email hidden]... > > > > Well the problem is that with the pit assistance Off, once I leave

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> > > pits > > > > it stay's in 1st no matter if i use manual or auto transmission any > body > > > > else experience this?? > > > > > >