Re: Hyper Stimulator Forum

I'll check it out :) I live my hyperstim! Rory S. Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2tcN8.217484$[email hidden]...

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> I have now started a Hyper Stimulator Forum at the www.hyperstimcanada.com > web site. All Hyper Stimulator enthusiasts are welcome. > > -- > Rory S. Brown > > Canadian Distributor for Hyper Stimulator > "The World's Best Home Race Car Simulators!" > Visit www.hyperstimcanada.com > > Unit 7 - 9947 - 151Street > Surrey, BC Canada V3R 9A1 > Phone 604-671-5997 or 604-585-7775 > Fax 604-930-9983 > Email [email hidden] > > Official Supplier of Computers and Hyper Stimulators to: > The Players Pit Stop Challenge Tour and > The Kool Racing Challenge Tour > > >

I have now started a Hyper Stimulator Forum at the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site. All Hyper Stimulator enthusiasts are welcome. -- Rory S. Brown Canadian Distributor for Hyper Stimulator "The World's Best Home Race Car Simulators!" Visit www.hyperstimcanada.com Unit 7 - 9947 - 151Street Surrey, BC Canada V3R 9A1 Phone 604-671-5997 or 604-585-7775 Fax 604-930-9983 Email [email hidden] Official Supplier of Computers and Hyper Stimulators to: The Players Pit Stop Challenge Tour and The Kool Racing Challenge Tour

Have they got one with force feedback yet? -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F1 2001 rank: -11.512

On 6/11/02 2:33 AM, in article ae4jkh$3r9o8$[email hidden], "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Have they got one with force feedback yet? > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > F1 2001 rank: -11.512 > >

Damien, I guess if you have to ask, than you haven't been to the web site forum yet at www.hyperstimcanada.com -- Rory S. Brown Canadian Distributor for Hyper Stimulator "The World's Best Home Race Car Simulators!" Visit www.hyperstimcanada.com Unit 7 - 9947 - 151Street Surrey, BC Canada V3R 9A1 Phone: 604-671-5997 Fax: 604-930-9983 Email: [email hidden]

"Rory S. Brown" wrote:

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> > On 6/11/02 2:33 AM, in article ae4jkh$3r9o8$[email hidden], > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Have they got one with force feedback yet? > > > > -- > > Damien Smith > > [email hidden] > > ICQ: 77028579 > > F1 2001 rank: -11.512 > > > > > Damien, > > I guess if you have to ask, than you haven't been to the web site forum yet > at www.hyperstimcanada.com

I have. There's an amazing array of options. Including a rear wing, five point harness, braided lines, drinks bottle. But no mention of FF? But it cannot be that hard to bolt an after market FF wheel to the 'beast'. Gerry

Gerry, I guess you didn't check out the Hyper Forum on the web site because the answer is there under the Suggestions Section. Rory S. Brown "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > "Rory S. Brown" wrote: > > > > On 6/11/02 2:33 AM, in article ae4jkh$3r9o8$[email hidden], > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Have they got one with force feedback yet? > > > > > > -- > > > Damien Smith > > > [email hidden] > > > ICQ: 77028579 > > > F1 2001 rank: -11.512 > > > > > > > > Damien, > > > > I guess if you have to ask, than you haven't been to the web site forum

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> > at www.hyperstimcanada.com > > I have. There's an amazing array of options. Including a rear wing, five > point harness, braided lines, drinks bottle. But no mention of FF? But > it cannot be that hard to bolt an after market FF wheel to the 'beast'. > > Gerry

Stupid question... but here I go.. is the F1 wheel the almost round one or the bow tie looking one? Also, anyone have a picture of the inside of the wheel components? Are they metal like a TSW? Any comments you have would be appreciated. David "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > "Rory S. Brown" wrote: > > > > On 6/11/02 2:33 AM, in article ae4jkh$3r9o8$[email hidden], > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Have they got one with force feedback yet? > > > > > > -- > > > Damien Smith > > > [email hidden] > > > ICQ: 77028579 > > > F1 2001 rank: -11.512 > > > > > > > > Damien, > > > > I guess if you have to ask, than you haven't been to the web site forum

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> > at www.hyperstimcanada.com > > I have. There's an amazing array of options. Including a rear wing, five > point harness, braided lines, drinks bottle. But no mention of FF? But > it cannot be that hard to bolt an after market FF wheel to the 'beast'. > > Gerry

David, The round or bow tie style wheel question is answered in the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) section of the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site. The Hyper steering wheel and pedal set inners are metal components other than the potentiometers and some neoprene type components. I don't have an inside picture of the Steering Box. -- Rory S. Brown Canadian Distributor for Hyper Stimulator "The World's Best Home Race Car Simulators!" Visit www.hyperstimcanada.com Unit 7 - 9947 - 151Street Surrey, BC Canada V3R 9A1 Phone 604-671-5997 or 604-585-7775 Fax 604-930-9983 Email [email hidden] Official Supplier of Computers and Hyper Stimulators to: The Players Pit Stop Challenge Tour and The Kool Racing Challenge Tour "David T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d0687a2$[email hidden]... > Stupid question... but here I go.. is the F1 wheel the almost round one or > the bow tie looking one? Also, anyone have a picture of the inside of the > wheel components? Are they metal like a TSW? > > Any comments you have would be appreciated. > > David > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Rory S. Brown" wrote: > > > > > > On 6/11/02 2:33 AM, in article ae4jkh$3r9o8$[email hidden], > > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > Have they got one with force feedback yet? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Damien Smith > > > > [email hidden] > > > > ICQ: 77028579 > > > > F1 2001 rank: -11.512 > > > > > > > > > > > Damien, > > > > > > I guess if you have to ask, than you haven't been to the web site forum > yet > > > at www.hyperstimcanada.com > > > > I have. There's an amazing array of options. Including a rear wing, five > > point harness, braided lines, drinks bottle. But no mention of FF? But > > it cannot be that hard to bolt an after market FF wheel to the 'beast'. > > > > Gerry > >

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:33:36 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Have they got one with force feedback yet? As a long-time (6 years) Hyper owner, I have never felt the lack of FFB. I also think it's significant that no one in the high-quality steering wheel market, such as Thomas and Ball Racing as well as Hyper, offers FFB. Basically, I think to make FFB to the same standard of durability that this type of gear has is just too expensive. These systems are expensive now, imagine the price with FFB! To attest to the durability, try and find someone else still using the same controller they used with Indycar Racing. Peter

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> writes: >To attest to the >durability, try and find someone else still using the same controller >they used with Indycar Racing. > :::raises hand::: Actually, I'd have to check when I got my TSW. I've had it for a few years, but don't remember the exact time I bought it. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David Powell wrote: > > I'll check it out :) I live my hyperstim! You need to get out more, Dave. ;) Gerry

On 12 Jun 2002 15:29:55 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Holt ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>To attest to the >>durability, try and find someone else still using the same controller >>they used with Indycar Racing. >> > >:::raises hand::: >Actually, I'd have to check when I got my TSW. I've had it for a few years, >but don't remember the exact time I bought it. > >Eldred

I rest my case, Eldred. Another controller from a manufacturer that doesn't offer FFB. Peter

> > I guess you didn't check out the Hyper Forum on the web site because the > answer is there under the Suggestions Section. > Hmmm, yes and then refers to an "article", which is from an interview at E3 in the year 2000!!!! This is 2002, what's going on there Rory.... no change for 2 YEARS.... something's not right here. -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

Edward, If you read the article carefully and completely; you will read that what needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no simulation software as good as GPL and look how old that is. Rory S. Brown "Edward C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BWTN8.266078$[email hidden]...

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> > > > > I guess you didn't check out the Hyper Forum on the web site because the > > answer is there under the Suggestions Section. > > > > Hmmm, yes and then refers to an "article", which is from an interview at

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> in the year 2000!!!! > This is 2002, what's going on there Rory.... no change for 2 YEARS.... > something's not right here. > > -- > Edward > Commissioner > MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association > >

Rory, > If you read the article carefully and completely; I did, this time as well as when it first came out in 2000 >you will read that what > needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet > therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no simulation > software as good as GPL and look how old that is. But surely you could update it, even if it was to say that FFB is still not at the stage where Hyperstim would implement it, especially so if you are going to have a poll about it. I just found it odd that you would have a poll in 2002 and make coy comments in the NG that there was something happening with regard to this. Your comments here lead me to believe that something was up with FFB and Hyperstim, until I read the old article.Not bashing you or Hyperstim (yes I have tried one) as I said I just found it odd. -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

On 6/13/02 5:24 AM, in article pa0O8.476$[email hidden], "Edward C" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Rory, > >> If you read the article carefully and completely; > > I did, this time as well as when it first came out in 2000 > >> you will read that what >> needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet >> therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no simulation >> software as good as GPL and look how old that is. > > But surely you could update it, even if it was to say that FFB is still not > at the stage where Hyperstim would implement it, especially so if you are > going to have a poll about it. I just found it odd that you would have a > poll in 2002 and make coy comments in the NG that there was something > happening with regard to this. Your comments here lead me to believe that > something was up with FFB and Hyperstim, until I read the old article.Not > bashing you or Hyperstim (yes I have tried one) as I said I just found it > odd. > > -- > Edward > Commissioner > MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association > >

Edward, The Poll in the Forum on the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site is my idea to respond to the queries that I get about FF. Nothing else should be or was meant to be implied. I know there are those out there that really like FF and I want to know if not having FF really has stopped someone from purchasing a Hyper. If there was enough serious people who would purchase a Hyper only if it had FF than I believe Hyper would have a serious look into FF. I've never had someone say to me that I would only buy the Hyper if it had FF. So far there has not been a serious response to the Poll. Some people have said yes but they haven't left there name with a post confirming they were seriously enough so it is hard to take seriously. I do appreciate your comments, Edward. I hope you participate in the Hyper Forum. Rory S. Brown Canadian Hyper Stimulator Distributor [email hidden]

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> > Edward, > > If you read the article carefully and completely; you will read that what > needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet > therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no simulation > software as good as GPL and look how old that is.

Roy -- If I ever buy a Hyperstim it will be for GLP/n2002. But there's no chance whatsoever that I'll ever drive GPL/2002 without FF. Gerry

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>On 12 Jun 2002 15:29:55 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Holt >><[email hidden]> writes: >> >>>To attest to the >>>durability, try and find someone else still using the same controller >>>they used with Indycar Racing. >>> >> >>:::raises hand::: >>Actually, I'd have to check when I got my TSW. I've had it for a few years, >>but don't remember the exact time I bought it. >> >>Eldred > >I rest my case, Eldred. Another controller from a manufacturer that >doesn't offer FFB.

Then I didn't understand your point, sorry. My TSW is durable - I haven't had any major problems with it. When I bought it, there weren't any FF wheels that seemed like more than a gimmick. Besides, I didn't think that FF would make much of a difference to my driving. Since then, I've heard several people say it's improved their laptimes. But, I can't buy another wheel right now, so that's no longer an option. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Perhaps I read more into it than was there, my apologies if I rattled your cage a bit :-) -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association "Rory S. Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B92E05AA.9A9E%[email hidden]... > On 6/13/02 5:24 AM, in article > pa0O8.476$[email hidden], "Edward C" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Rory, > > > >> If you read the article carefully and completely; > > > > I did, this time as well as when it first came out in 2000 > > > >> you will read that what > >> needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet > >> therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no simulation > >> software as good as GPL and look how old that is. > > > > But surely you could update it, even if it was to say that FFB is still not > > at the stage where Hyperstim would implement it, especially so if you are > > going to have a poll about it. I just found it odd that you would have a > > poll in 2002 and make coy comments in the NG that there was something > > happening with regard to this. Your comments here lead me to believe that > > something was up with FFB and Hyperstim, until I read the old article.Not > > bashing you or Hyperstim (yes I have tried one) as I said I just found it > > odd. > > > > -- > > Edward > > Commissioner > > MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association > > > > > Edward, > > The Poll in the Forum on the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site is my idea to > respond to the queries that I get about FF. Nothing else should be or was > meant to be implied. I know there are those out there that really like FF > and I want to know if not having FF really has stopped someone from > purchasing a Hyper. If there was enough serious people who would purchase a > Hyper only if it had FF than I believe Hyper would have a serious look into > FF. I've never had someone say to me that I would only buy the Hyper if it > had FF. So far there has not been a serious response to the Poll. Some > people have said yes but they haven't left there name with a post confirming > they were seriously enough so it is hard to take seriously. > > I do appreciate your comments, Edward. I hope you participate in the Hyper > Forum. > > Rory S. Brown > Canadian Hyper Stimulator Distributor > [email hidden] >

> > Roy -- If I ever buy a Hyperstim it will be for GLP/n2002. But there's > no chance whatsoever that I'll ever drive GPL/2002 without FF. > > Gerry I drive both of those sims as well but without FFB, I find I get more "feel" for what's going on through my eyes. I tried FFb, really tried to like it, but just could not "adjust" to it ( for lack of a better term). I do own a Logi FFb wheel that is my backup wheel for games that don't (won't) recognize my home made cockpit (partially inspired by my go in a Hyperstim :-) -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

On 13 Jun 2002 16:30:19 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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> >Then I didn't understand your point, sorry. My TSW is durable - I haven't had >any major problems with it. When I bought it, there weren't any FF wheels that >seemed like more than a gimmick. Besides, I didn't think that FF would make >much of a difference to my driving. Since then, I've heard several people say >it's improved their laptimes. But, I can't buy another wheel right now, so >that's no longer an option. > >Eldred

My fault, Eldred. I was thinking "except for similar quality wheels", I just didn't type it :-). I haven't had the opportunity to try any of the other good controllers, they're not common in Australia. Exchange rates and shipping costs make them uneconomic, particularly since we have a local source of at least equal quality. I think that going from a TSW to a plastic disposable wheel, and that's what they are, they're not meant to last, would be a major backwards step. I wonder if these people who swear by FFB are comparing it to cheap wheels without FFB. They might find that a quality wheel and pedals would improve their times even more than FFB. Peter

Edward, You didn't rattle my cage at all. I appreciate all comments with respect. Rory S. Brown

My first wheel was a Thursmaster GP1 and I used it for years and loved it. It still works, but the right front button works only when it wants to. I then moved to an ACT Labs Force RS. I hated the ACT Labs the first week, then I started to get use to it and started to better my times. My brother-in-law made a wheel for himself and it is ultra smooth and it works very nice. It does not have force feedback, and I must say that if I had a choice, I would use his wheel. SLG Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On 13 Jun 2002 16:30:19 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >> >>Then I didn't understand your point, sorry. My TSW is durable - I haven't had >>any major problems with it. When I bought it, there weren't any FF wheels that >>seemed like more than a gimmick. Besides, I didn't think that FF would make >>much of a difference to my driving. Since then, I've heard several people say >>it's improved their laptimes. But, I can't buy another wheel right now, so >>that's no longer an option. >> >>Eldred > >My fault, Eldred. I was thinking "except for similar quality wheels", >I just didn't type it :-). I haven't had the opportunity to try any >of the other good controllers, they're not common in Australia. >Exchange rates and shipping costs make them uneconomic, particularly >since we have a local source of at least equal quality. > >I think that going from a TSW to a plastic disposable wheel, and >that's what they are, they're not meant to last, would be a major >backwards step. > >I wonder if these people who swear by FFB are comparing it to cheap >wheels without FFB. They might find that a quality wheel and pedals >would improve their times even more than FFB. > >Peter >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

Edward C wrote:

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> > > > > Roy -- If I ever buy a Hyperstim it will be for GLP/n2002. But there's > > no chance whatsoever that I'll ever drive GPL/2002 without FF. > > > > Gerry > > I drive both of those sims as well but without FFB, I find I get more "feel" > for what's going on through my eyes. I tried FFb, really tried to like it, > but just could not "adjust" to it ( for lack of a better term). I do own a > Logi FFb wheel that is my backup wheel for games that don't (won't) > recognize my home made cockpit (partially inspired by my go in a Hyperstim > :-)

To each his own, as they say. I'll stick to computer controlled forces that closely resemble the real thing, and you can stick with a spring. <G> Gerry

Peter Holt wrote: > I wonder if these people who swear by FFB are comparing it to cheap > wheels without FFB. They might find that a quality wheel and pedals > would improve their times even more than FFB. I'm comparing my Momo (which probably has nearly as much metal in it's construction as a TSW) to my old BRD wheel. I've tried TSW's, didn't like 'em, too agricultural in their centring technology for me. Very good if you want to go fast, but not so if your more into realism and immersion. BWT, I use Redline pedals with an Actlabs shifter and always heel & toe. So I suppose i'm a hardcore realism nut more than a performance oriented racer. Gerry

>computer controlled forces that closely resemble the real thing, and youcan stick with a spring. > <G> That is a matter of opinion as well, apparently it is not close enough to the real thing for Hyperstim... or TSW, or many others who prefer not to use it, who find it more gimmicky than real. Some games (sims) do it better than others. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing FFB, it is just a matter of personal taste and opinion. If /when it does get to the point where it is more realistic, I'll be in line for it like everyone else. Too each there own as they say :-) -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

I don't know much about the Hyperstim, but I can tell you this: I'll never shell out another dollar for any device without Force Feedback again. But then again, I'm more a (poor) NASCAR sim nut, not into GPL, so I actually USE FF whenever I'm "racing." Gunner "Rory S. Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B92E05AA.9A9E%[email hidden]...

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> On 6/13/02 5:24 AM, in article > pa0O8.476$[email hidden], "Edward C" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Rory, > > > >> If you read the article carefully and completely; > > > > I did, this time as well as when it first came out in 2000 > > > >> you will read that what > >> needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet > >> therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no

simulation > >> software as good as GPL and look how old that is. > > > > But surely you could update it, even if it was to say that FFB is stillnot > > at the stage where Hyperstim would implement it, especially so if youare > > going to have a poll about it. I just found it odd that you would have a > > poll in 2002 and make coy comments in the NG that there was something > > happening with regard to this. Your comments here lead me to believethat > > something was up with FFB and Hyperstim, until I read the oldarticle.Not > > bashing you or Hyperstim (yes I have tried one) as I said I just foundit

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> > odd. > > > > -- > > Edward > > Commissioner > > MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association > > > > > Edward, > > The Poll in the Forum on the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site is my idea

to > respond to the queries that I get about FF. Nothing else should be or was > meant to be implied. I know there are those out there that really like FF > and I want to know if not having FF really has stopped someone from > purchasing a Hyper. If there was enough serious people who would purchasea > Hyper only if it had FF than I believe Hyper would have a serious lookinto > FF. I've never had someone say to me that I would only buy the Hyper ifit > had FF. So far there has not been a serious response to the Poll. Some > people have said yes but they haven't left there name with a postconfirming > they were seriously enough so it is hard to take seriously. > > I do appreciate your comments, Edward. I hope you participate in theHyper > Forum. > > Rory S. Brown > Canadian Hyper Stimulator Distributor > [email hidden] >

I don't know much about the Hyperstim, but I can tell you this: I'll never shell out another dollar for any device without Force Feedback again. But then again, I'm more a (poor) NASCAR sim nut, not into GPL, so I actually USE FF whenever I'm "racing." Gunner

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> On 6/13/02 5:24 AM, in article > > Rory, > >> If you read the article carefully and completely; > > I did, this time as well as when it first came out in 2000 > >> you will read that what > >> needs to be changed to make FF work properly hasn't been changed yet > >> therefore it is still valid today. Afterall there still is no

simulation > >> software as good as GPL and look how old that is. > > But surely you could update it, even if it was to say that FFB is still not > > at the stage where Hyperstim would implement it, especially so if you are > > going to have a poll about it. I just found it odd that you would have a > > poll in 2002 and make coy comments in the NG that there was something > > happening with regard to this. Your comments here lead me to believe that > > something was up with FFB and Hyperstim, until I read the old article.Not > > bashing you or Hyperstim (yes I have tried one) as I said I just found it

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> > odd. > > -- > > Edward > > Commissioner > > MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association > Edward, > The Poll in the Forum on the www.hyperstimcanada.com web site is my idea

to > respond to the queries that I get about FF. Nothing else should be or was > meant to be implied. I know there are those out there that really like FF > and I want to know if not having FF really has stopped someone from > purchasing a Hyper. If there was enough serious people who would purchase a > Hyper only if it had FF than I believe Hyper would have a serious look into > FF. I've never had someone say to me that I would only buy the Hyper if it > had FF. So far there has not been a serious response to the Poll. Some > people have said yes but they haven't left there name with a post confirming > they were seriously enough so it is hard to take seriously. > I do appreciate your comments, Edward. I hope you participate in the Hyper > Forum. > Rory S. Brown > Canadian Hyper Stimulator Distributor

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> > >computer controlled forces that closely resemble the real thing, and you > can stick with a spring. > > <G> > > That is a matter of opinion as well, apparently it is not close enough to > the real thing for Hyperstim... or TSW,

I've read what they say about FFB, it's interesting to note that much of it was written years ago!. It's clear the the guy who wrote about it foe ECCI didn't have a proper understanding of the current state of the art. This is what they say: >>If software and hardware interface developments advance in the future to allow subtle and meaningful feedback from a racing perspective,<< You see, this was written before GPL FFB. >>such as slight changes in tire adhesion, we may consider offering this feature. We do not believe that any true advantage is given to the racing competitor from:a vibrating wheel, a wheel bumping in your hands from hitting another car or the > wall, etc...<< When was that written, 1995? >>especially for the SUBSTANTIAL increase in cost that a qualitysolution would require. We believe that the true competitor needs a reliable, consistent, highly precise tool to get around the track faster than competition. This is what we provide. Consistent with our racing philosophy, we will not introduce features that do not contribute to improved lap speeds.<< The truth is they can't afford the licence. Gerry

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: [re lack of high end ff wheels] > The truth is they can't afford the licence. I totally agree on this. Imho, 90% the talk from the small high end wheel manufacturers about ff being useless and/or not doable is just a smoke screen trying to hide the fact that they haven't found a way to cover the development and licensing costs. This is a bit disappointing because the superior mechanical constructions that make the high end wheels so much better than the $50 plastic stuff would probably make at least as much difference on a ff wheel. _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: > [re lack of high end ff wheels] > > > The truth is they can't afford the licence. > > I totally agree on this. Imho, 90% the talk from the small high > end wheel manufacturers about ff being useless and/or not doable > is just a smoke screen trying to hide the fact that they haven't > found a way to cover the development and licensing costs. > > This is a bit disappointing because the superior mechanical > constructions that make the high end wheels so much better than > the $50 plastic stuff would probably make at least as much > difference on a ff wheel.

Also, I think half the problem is they're too busy over engineering their products to justify the price tag. I mean, come on, most of this stuff costs more than a 100cc kart! Gerry

But it drives a lot better than the 100cc kart :-) --- Joeri J. Cox European Racing League - Taming The NASCAR Tracks Since April 2000 http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox/erl ERL is proudly sponsored by BallRacing Developments, Ltd. http://www.interactiveracing.com "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Mats Lofkvist wrote: > > > > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: > > [re lack of high end ff wheels] > > > > > The truth is they can't afford the licence. > > > > I totally agree on this. Imho, 90% the talk from the small high > > end wheel manufacturers about ff being useless and/or not doable > > is just a smoke screen trying to hide the fact that they haven't > > found a way to cover the development and licensing costs. > > > > This is a bit disappointing because the superior mechanical > > constructions that make the high end wheels so much better than > > the $50 plastic stuff would probably make at least as much > > difference on a ff wheel. > > Also, I think half the problem is they're too busy over engineering > their products to justify the price tag. I mean, come on, most of this > stuff costs more than a 100cc kart! > > Gerry

Joeri Cox wrote: > > But it drives a lot better than the 100cc kart :-) The graphics are not as good and you don't fee any 'g'. I mean, come on, it shouldn't cost more than real life racing, should it? Gerry