WOW - I see what you mean (F1-2002)

I've been tweaking F1-2002 tonight (just picked it up). I didn't have high hopes for my old 1Ghz box. I've tried every video card out there up to the latest 128MB flavors but all of them went back to Best Buy except my Ti-200. Most bang for the buck for me. I got F1-2002 to average 36-40fps with other cars on the track and full player car detail at 1280x1024 :) The physics in this game ROCK. Subtle little things I feel through force feedback and see from the cockpit definitely make this title a winner IMHO. I tried GP4 and it doesn't even come close. The only thing I liked about that was when a tire or a wing came off it was an object you needed to avoid - you couldn't just drive through them. Anyways I deleted that one. I figured out how to lose the arms. Commented out those lines in the f1car.gen file. So far the only arms I've liked were in Rally Trophy. I wish I could get timing like with GPxPatch on my screen... This is the first title I've been into for a long while. Looks to be a lot of fun! - David Cook

Don't forget to use the high physics rate. Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal Also, you can hit objects now in F12002. David G Fisher "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ovyO8.2936$[email hidden]... > I've been tweaking F1-2002 tonight (just picked it up). I didn't havehigh > hopes for my old 1Ghz box. I've tried every video card out there up tothe > latest 128MB flavors but all of them went back to Best Buy except myTi-200. > Most bang for the buck for me. I got F1-2002 to average 36-40fps withother > cars on the track and full player car detail at 1280x1024 :) > > The physics in this game ROCK. Subtle little things I feel through force > feedback and see from the cockpit definitely make this title a winnerIMHO.

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> I tried GP4 and it doesn't even come close. The only thing I liked about > that was when a tire or a wing came off it was an object you needed to > avoid - you couldn't just drive through them. Anyways I deleted that one. > > I figured out how to lose the arms. Commented out those lines in the > f1car.gen file. So far the only arms I've liked were in Rally Trophy. I > wish I could get timing like with GPxPatch on my screen... > > This is the first title I've been into for a long while. Looks to be a

lot > of fun! > > - David Cook > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LHyO8.243261$[email hidden]... > Don't forget to use the high physics rate. > Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal > > Also, you can hit objects now in F12002. > > David G Fisher Thanks! I just changed the physics setting. Didn't realize about the objects! Cool :) - David Cook

I know you found it, but in case someone else reads this and wants to turn it on too, the physics setting is in your plr file. Forgot to mention that in my other post. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xRyO8.2977$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LHyO8.243261$[email hidden]... > > Don't forget to use the high physics rate. > > Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal > > > > Also, you can hit objects now in F12002. > > > > David G Fisher > > Thanks! I just changed the physics setting. Didn't realize about the > objects! Cool :) > > - David Cook > > >

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ovyO8.2936$[email hidden]... > I've been tweaking F1-2002 tonight (just picked it up). David, I've got a similar sepc system, Celeron 900 overclocked to 1.2 GHz and GeForce 4400Ti. What settings did you come up with? And is there an in game FPS counter, I've just been using Fraps. Some Call Me Tim

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I've got a similar sepc system, Celeron 900 overclocked to 1.2 GHz and > GeForce 4400Ti. What settings did you come up with? And is there an ingame > FPS counter, I've just been using Fraps. > > Some Call Me Tim > F1 2002 does have a framerate counter. Press Ctrl-F and wait a couple of second for it to appear in the top right hand corner. Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:37 AM Subject: Re: WOW - I see what you mean (F1-2002) > David, > > I've got a similar sepc system, Celeron 900 overclocked to 1.2 GHz and > GeForce 4400Ti. What settings did you come up with? And is there an in > game FPS counter, I've just been using Fraps. Tim, I used FRAPS until I found out about the Ctrl-F thing too. With the new cusom car set http://www.emacf1.com/rh/2002/f12002.htm from Ralph Hummerich I'm not seeing 40's (fps) anymore but I am always in the mid to high 30's. System: OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Version 5.1.2600 Build 2600 System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~996 Mhz BIOS Version/Date Intel Corp. A10, 9/17/2001 Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB Video Card Name NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 INF File 6.13.10.2832 Sound Device Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM) First off in the Vehicles folder I edited f1car.gen and commented out the drivers arms: // Instance=ARMS // { // Moveable=True //<SPIN> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(100.0) //<LOW> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(10.0) //<MED> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(12.0) //<HIGH> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(15.0) //<MAX> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(20.0) // AnimFile=catsteer.ANM // } Secondly I had to set my desktop color depth to 16-bit (is there a way around this?) in order to select 1280x1024x16 in 3D Setup. Below are my display settings in the game: Circuit Detail High Player Vehicle Detail Full Vehicle Lighting Effects High Shadows Medium Other Vehicles Detail Medium Image Quality High Special Effects Medium Pit Crew Animations High Default View Cockpit Mirrors On Movies Off Message Center Off Heads Up Display Off Broadcast Overlays Off Speed Indicator MPH (heh, as if this has any effect) About my video card drivers - initially I had the latest NVidia 2942 WHQL drivers but F1-2002 was crashing on me so I re-installed the 2832 WHQL drivers and did not make any changes to the default settings. No more lock ups. Hope this stuff helps! - David Cook

I just achieved 40+fps at 1600x1200x16 and increased the values below to Full Circuit Detail and Full Image Quality! I didn't realize that Vertical Sync is on by default. Turn that thing OFF. I got 10+ fps by doing that. Can't do FSAA on my card though. Even at 1024x768x16 with Quincunx Aliasing my fps drops into the low 30's and sometimes 20's... - David Cook > System: > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition > Version 5.1.2600 Build 2600 > System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~996Mhz

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> BIOS Version/Date Intel Corp. A10, 9/17/2001 > Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB > Video Card Name NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 > INF File 6.13.10.2832 > Sound Device Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM) > > First off in the Vehicles folder I edited f1car.gen and commented out the > drivers arms: > > // Instance=ARMS > // { > // Moveable=True > //<SPIN> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(100.0) > //<LOW> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(10.0) > //<MED> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(12.0) > //<HIGH> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(15.0) > //<MAX> MeshFile=<1234>tcarmsa.MTS CollTarget=False(20.0) > // AnimFile=catsteer.ANM > // } > > Secondly I had to set my desktop color depth to 16-bit (is there a way > around this?) in order to select 1280x1024x16 in 3D Setup. Below are my > display settings in the game: > > Circuit Detail High > Player Vehicle Detail Full > Vehicle Lighting Effects High > Shadows Medium > Other Vehicles Detail Medium > Image Quality High > Special Effects Medium > Pit Crew Animations High > Default View Cockpit > Mirrors On > Movies Off > Message Center Off > Heads Up Display Off > Broadcast Overlays Off > Speed Indicator MPH (heh, as if this has any effect) > > About my video card drivers - initially I had the latest NVidia 2942 WHQL > drivers but F1-2002 was crashing on me so I re-installed the 2832 WHQL > drivers and did not make any changes to the default settings. No more

lock > ups.

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:13:15 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just achieved 40+fps at 1600x1200x16 and increased the values below to >Full Circuit Detail and Full Image Quality! I didn't realize that Vertical >Sync is on by default. Turn that thing OFF. I got 10+ fps by doing that. >Can't do FSAA on my card though. Even at 1024x768x16 with Quincunx Aliasing >my fps drops into the low 30's and sometimes 20's... > >- David Cook

I have turned Vsync off in my GF2 properties in Windows. Is there any other place where I also should turn it off? I'm having kinda crappy framerates, with most details off I still get around 20fps during the race.. P3 866mhz, 256mb, GF2 GTS, 12.41 drivers Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:13:15 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I just achieved 40+fps at 1600x1200x16 and increased the values below to > >Full Circuit Detail and Full Image Quality! I didn't realize thatVertical > >Sync is on by default. Turn that thing OFF. I got 10+ fps by doingthat. > >Can't do FSAA on my card though. Even at 1024x768x16 with QuincunxAliasing

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> >my fps drops into the low 30's and sometimes 20's... > > > >- David Cook > > I have turned Vsync off in my GF2 properties in Windows. Is there any > other place where I also should turn it off? I'm having kinda crappy > framerates, with most details off I still get around 20fps during the > race.. > > P3 866mhz, 256mb, GF2 GTS, 12.41 drivers > > Andre

That's it - but make sure you are using 16-bit color in 3D Setup...

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:14:18 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> I have turned Vsync off in my GF2 properties in Windows. Is there any >> other place where I also should turn it off? I'm having kinda crappy >> framerates, with most details off I still get around 20fps during the >> race.. >> >> P3 866mhz, 256mb, GF2 GTS, 12.41 drivers >> >> Andre > >That's it - but make sure you are using 16-bit color in 3D Setup...

I have - is my 20fps normal for my system? Andre

Depending on the track, I am getting anywhere from around 20 to the mid 30's at 1024x768x16 with a 950 mhz Celeron, 256 meg of RAM, and a 32 meg DDR Radeon. Since a GF2 should be faster than a Radeon in 16 bit color I think you should be seeing higher speeds than that. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:14:18 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >> > >> P3 866mhz, 256mb, GF2 GTS, 12.41 drivers > >> > >> Andre > > > >That's it - but make sure you are using 16-bit color in 3D Setup... > > I have - is my 20fps normal for my system? > > Andre >

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:41:32 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Don't forget to use the high physics rate. >Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal Can you please explain what the difference is?

1/2 rate = 200hz game engine Full rate = 400hz game engine It just seems more responsive :) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:41:32 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Don't forget to use the high physics rate. > >Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal > > Can you please explain what the difference is?

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:55:42 +0100, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >1/2 rate = 200hz game engine >Full rate = 400hz game engine >It just seems more responsive :) It does more as that. Try steering with locked front wheels with the 200 hz setting. The wheels won't turn. They will with the 400 hz setting. Remco

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:28 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >It does more as that. Try steering with locked front wheels >with the 200 hz setting. The wheels won't turn. They will with >the 400 hz setting. Cool. I haven't bought a driving sim for a while but this one might be worth it. How's the multiplayer? Decent over a LAN at least? How about on the net?

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> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:28 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco > Moedt) wrote: > > >It does more as that. Try steering with locked front wheels > >with the 200 hz setting. The wheels won't turn. They will with > >the 400 hz setting. > > Cool. I haven't bought a driving sim for a while but this one might be > worth it. > > How's the multiplayer? Decent over a LAN at least? How about on the > net?

Compared to other recent F1 titles, the multiplayer is great. Compared to GPL or Nascar 2002 is SUCKS!!.. You need a commercial line for the server and you need broadband at home... Otherwise you are limited to 3 or 4 cars before the whole thing starts lagging alllllll over. dave henrie