What Ever Has Happened To Hockenheim in F1-2002?

I've been going through all the track one by one in F1-2002 this week, which is a spiffing good game indeed. Some of the track are more accurate/less accurate than others but the way it drives and racing against the AI is just brilliant. I got fired up Hockenheim and started blasting down the first straight but to my horror at the first chicane the road went off to the right! it then wiggled about a bit then up the a really tight hairpin and back onto the normal track at the stadium section. What has happen to it, is the 2002 German GP going to be on this crappy short go-cart track? I certainly hope not as the full track is one of the few where it's easy to overtake. Is there a chance that the full track can be imported from F1-2001? Some Call Me Tim

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> I got fired up Hockenheim and started blasting down the first straight but > to my horror at the first chicane the road went off to the right! it then > wiggled about a bit then up the a really tight hairpin and back onto the > normal track at the stadium section. What has happen to it, is the 2002 > German GP going to be on this crappy short go-cart track? I certainly hope > not as the full track is one of the few where it's easy to overtake. > > Some Call Me Tim >

That's the new track layout for Hochenheim. Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

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> <snip> > I got fired up Hockenheim and started blasting down the > first straight but to my horror at the first chicane the road > went off to the right! it then wiggled about a bit then up > the a really tight hairpin and back onto the normal track > at the stadium section. What has happen to it, is the 2002 > German GP going to be on this crappy short go-cart > track? I certainly hope not as the full track is one of the > few where it's easy to overtake. > > Is there a chance that the full track can be imported from > F1-2001?

Yup, Hockenheim has been butchered. What kind of laptimes are you running there now? Jan./not a clue on the import issue, sorry. =---

Yup, Hockenheim has been butchered. ------------------------------------ I think Nurburgring has been ruined also. It wasn't all that good to begin with, but with 4 100 kph turns in a row to start a lap, it's now kind of Mickey Mouse. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 RASCAR ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Yup, Hockenheim has been butchered. ------------------------------------ I think Nurburgring has been ruined also. It wasn't all that good to begin with, but with 4 100 kph turns in a row to start a lap, it's now kind of Mickey Mouse. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 RASCAR ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

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> I've been going through all the track one by one in F1-2002 this week, which > is a spiffing good game indeed. Some of the track are more accurate/less > accurate than others but the way it drives and racing against the AI is just > brilliant. > > I got fired up Hockenheim and started blasting down the first straight but > to my horror at the first chicane the road went off to the right! it then > wiggled about a bit then up the a really tight hairpin and back onto the > normal track at the stadium section. What has happen to it, is the 2002 > German GP going to be on this crappy short go-cart track? I certainly hope > not as the full track is one of the few where it's easy to overtake. > > Is there a chance that the full track can be imported from F1-2001? > > > Some Call Me Tim

Yes, Tim the Enchanter, that's the BRAND, SPANKIN' NEW HOCKENHEIMRING! Sad, idn't it? I know of no pre-2002 Hockenheim track imports as of yet, but be patient, and it will come, I'm sure. BTW, I had the same exact reaction to Hockenheimring as you did on F1 2002. Although I had expected it since I had seen the track layout earlier this year, it still came as a shock to drive it. I nearly cried when I looked at it. Not only is the track being run at UNDER a minute now, all the great trees lining the first long straight are pushed back, and all of the character of the circuit has been disintegrated, IMO. That new section reminds me of Sepang, which is one of the most antiseptic circuits on the F1 calendar. I guess if you want the full Hockenheim before it turned into HACKEDenheim, you ought to get F1 2001. =========================== Eee ay ess ooo doh mee nay Doh nah ay es requiemmmmmm <BASH!>

I loved the old Hockenhiem too. I'll add it to F1 2002 when someone converts it. I drove the new HockenHiem in F1 2002 and I like it. The new section is more interesting to drive and more fun to drive than three long sections with the throttle floored. The lap times are 1 minute and 25 seconds. I suspect they will be near 1:20 at this years race. I you are running under 1 minute in F1 2002 you must have found a short cut. -- Bob

On 17 Jun 2002 22:01:55 -0700, [email hidden] (Main_Antagonist) wrote: >Yes, Tim the Enchanter, that's the BRAND, SPANKIN' NEW HOCKENHEIMRING! >Sad, idn't it? I will probably lose a lot of my fans here on RAS, but I like the new Hockenheim layout better than the old one.. Andre

I have to agree with you and Bob on this one. Okay I don't have to but I will anyway. ;o) I can certainly understand why some people will always like the old one better, but I never got used to the feel of having those long high speed sections interrupted by chicanes. Same reason as why I don't like the modern Monza, it feels wrong to me. OTOH the new Hockenheimring reminds me a lot of the new A-1 Ring - a few medium length straights separated by low speed corners (which creates some great passing opportunities if you've got the balls), and a more technical section where you can pressure the guy in front of you or pull farther ahead of the less skillfull people behind you. After only a few laps I really started to like the rhythm of the new layout. People were very skeptical about the A-1 Ring when it debuted, but I think now that we have had a few races there most people like it. Similarly, I think that after a few races people will gain a different perspective and the new Hockenheimring will also be able to stand on its own merits. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 17 Jun 2002 22:01:55 -0700, [email hidden] > (Main_Antagonist) wrote: > > >Yes, Tim the Enchanter, that's the BRAND, SPANKIN' NEWHOCKENHEIMRING! > >Sad, idn't it? > > I will probably lose a lot of my fans here on RAS, but I like the new > Hockenheim layout better than the old one.. > > Andre

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> I have to agree with you and Bob on this one. Okay I don't have to but > I will anyway. ;o) I can certainly understand why some people will > always like the old one better, but I never got used to the feel of > having those long high speed sections interrupted by chicanes. Same > reason as why I don't like the modern Monza, it feels wrong to me. OTOH > the new Hockenheimring reminds me a lot of the new A-1 Ring - a few > medium length straights separated by low speed corners (which creates > some great passing opportunities if you've got the balls), and a more > technical section where you can pressure the guy in front of you or pull > farther ahead of the less skillfull people behind you. After only a few > laps I really started to like the rhythm of the new layout. People were > very skeptical about the A-1 Ring when it debuted, but I think now that > we have had a few races there most people like it. Similarly, I think > that after a few races people will gain a different perspective and the > new Hockenheimring will also be able to stand on its own merits. > >

Haven't found 2002 yet around here, but the old Hock was never my favorite. I could tolerate it, but chicanes in general leave me cold. (fell down too much trying to navigate chicanes with World Superbike 2001) So any track that is closer to A1 than the Old Hock gets my vote...I may change my mind after I see it...but for now..new is better. dave henrie