Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November. Ever since then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be? http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/lasvegas.gif

"doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g_OO8.11696$[email hidden]... > My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November. Ever since > then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be? > > http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/lasvegas.gif > > It was in the parking lot of one of the Casino's wasn't it? (at least a large portion of it...) dave henrie

It was in the parking lot of one of the ***'s wasn't it? (at least a large portion of it...) dave henrie

Wasn't it in the parking lot at Caesars Palace? "Progress" has now squished the space so much they could hardly have go-kart racing there. -- Chris H. "doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g_OO8.11696$[email hidden]... > My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November. Ever since > then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be? > > http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/lasvegas.gif > > >

Ceasar's Palace car park?

>"doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote > My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November. Ever since > then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be? While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking lot. Here is the track layout of the F1 track : http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0 The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on. It was a proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, ymenard wrote:

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> While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is > not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking > > Here is the track layout of the F1 track : > http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0 > > The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on. It was a > proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so.

Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track. I watched practice there in 1982. We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we correlated. Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I spent as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the grandstands). If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could have copied at Kinko's... As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend. -- Doug Milliken www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html <--new book review

Nah, not worth the work. I was just curious where it was located at. But because we stayed at Ceasar's for Comdex, what's even more curious to me now is where there was room to do this. I totally understand that in the early 80's, this was obviously before that big parking garage was there, before the Palace Tower was there, before the Forum shops were there, before that area they're turning into a coliseum was there. Was it just an oversized go-cart track behind it? "Doug Milliken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track. I watched practice > there in 1982. We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain > nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we > correlated. Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and Ispent

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> as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the > grandstands). > > If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent > blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could > have copied at Kinko's... > > As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the > people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend. > > -- Doug Milliken > www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html <--new book review >

According to the drawing, the track was to the North (and a little North-West) of the main Caesar's Palace, but I have no idea if that building complex is still there. I seem to remember hearing that the Sands Hotel that was next door has been torn down... Vegas changes rapidly! On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, doubleu wrote:

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> Nah, not worth the work. I was just curious where it was located at. But > because we stayed at Ceasar's for Comdex, what's even more curious to me now > is where there was room to do this. I totally understand that in the early > 80's, this was obviously before that big parking garage was there, before > the Palace Tower was there, before the Forum shops were there, before that > area they're turning into a coliseum was there. Was it just an oversized > go-cart track behind it? > > "Doug Milliken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track. I watched practice > > there in 1982. We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain > > nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we > > correlated. Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I > spent > > as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the > > grandstands). > > > > If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent > > blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could > > have copied at Kinko's... > > > > As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the > > people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend. > > > > -- Doug Milliken > > www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html <--new book review > > > > > >

I have good memories of those two races although it was always popular to discredit them (it wasn't exactly 'Spa-like' was it!). I watched each from the last outer ring, so to speak. I saw Alan Jones and Piquet have a "hockey moment" in warm ups which put Nelson off. Saw Alan slow after a qualifying lap and raise the skirts on his car to make it legal if he was inspected -- and speaking of mini skirts -- my biggest social thrill in an F1 grandstand occurred there, a drop dead gorgeous employee from the Palace (?) was selling cigarettes with a carry tray, she had legs to kill for and she commented on my head gear, a modified, Yasir Arafat wet table cloth, held in place by my official Indy 500 visor cap. "He's got the right idea!", she said, and the temperature rose even higher. Sigh... arcman Doug Milliken wrote:

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> > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, ymenard wrote: > > > While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is > > not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking > > > > Here is the track layout of the F1 track : > > http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0 > > > > The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on. It was a > > proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so. > > Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track. I watched practice > there in 1982. We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain > nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we > correlated. Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I spent > as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the > grandstands). > > If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent > blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could > have copied at Kinko's... > > As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the > people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend. > > -- Doug Milliken > www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html <--new book review

(snippage)

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> she had legs to kill for and she commented on my head gear, a modified, > Yasir Arafat > wet table cloth, held in place by my official Indy 500 visor cap. > > "He's got the right idea!", she said, and the temperature rose even > higher. Sigh... > arcman

Now that you mention it...my sister did talk about those races and the hat guy....lol dave henrie

Wow! Psst, Dave, please don't tell her about me and Penthouse Pet Dominique (sp?) at Long Beach! This story is even sillier than the first one. arcman Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > (snippage) > > she had legs to kill for and she commented on my head gear, a modified, > > Yasir Arafat > > wet table cloth, held in place by my official Indy 500 visor cap. > > > > "He's got the right idea!", she said, and the temperature rose even > > higher. Sigh... > > arcman > Now that you mention it...my sister did talk about those races and the > hat guy....lol > dave henrie