RASCAR: Michigan Race...

Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Good Race. I chewed my way to a 3rd place finish after ending up at the rear early on! -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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There's actually a couple of threads devoted to today's race already. :-) Miss them? David G Fisher "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. In article <brRO8.28292$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Good Race. > > I chewed my way to a 3rd place finish after ending up at the rear early on! > > -Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? > >

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> Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? Just pissed I had to work again and had to miss it, hope it was a good one. -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? It's been mentioned...<g> I don't have much to say. Slowest car in the field again. Even the cars that were damaged and a lap down passed me... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. >

John, I checked the replay after seeing the chat at the end of the race, & saw that the same driver punted me earlier in the race, ~ lap 37 or so. At the time, altho a little po'ed after being hit twice from behind in turn 1, I shrugged it off & kept going. (sorry to Eldred for coming down off the wall in front of you, hood was crumpled up & couldn't see ya coming & thought every1 was by) :-( I wasn't going to say anything, but maybe it's time to remind folks that they are not the only car on the track, & punting people out of the way is *not* the accepted way to pass, at least not to me. If this is the way we are going to race, let me know, I'm a quick learner. And using the Chrome Horn does sound kinda cool. ;-) Brian

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> John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. > > > > John, I checked the replay after seeing the chat at the end of the race, & saw > that the same driver punted me earlier in the race, ~ lap 37 or so. At the > time, altho a little po'ed after being hit twice from behind in turn 1, I > shrugged it off & kept going. (sorry to Eldred for coming down off the wall in > front of you, hood was crumpled up & couldn't see ya coming & thought every1 was > by) :-( > > I wasn't going to say anything, but maybe it's time to remind folks that they > are not the only car on the track, & punting people out of the way is *not* the > accepted way to pass, at least not to me. If this is the way we are going to > race, let me know, I'm a quick learner. > > And using the Chrome Horn does sound kinda cool. ;-) >

Well, let's just say i won't forget this one. I won't intentionally wreck anybody, but I can make my car pretty wide. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser.

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> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. > > Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser.

Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's problem. Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to be there next time. Olav

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> "redTed" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > > > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > > > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > > > > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > > > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. > > > > Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > problem. > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > be there next time. >

It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I did. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. ----------------------------------------- I see our troll is back. lol ZZ

Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. ----------------------------------------- I see our troll is back. lol ZZ

"John Simmons" wrote... > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? Well, what's there to say? -We wuz robbed, bud... ;-( That said, I think I was a bit harsh on Colin at the time. Ok, he was following a bit too close for online purposes, but from my replay it appears as though he did make an effort to avoid the accident once he'd gotten caught out by my braking point (which was exactly where I'd intended and, IMO, had to be in order to make the pass on JLe). One of those racing deals. In contrast, again: from my point of view, JayMo's involvements with you and Brian appear more indicative of impatience/red mist driving. BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred passed unhindered. Not stopping the car and switching to roof cam before coming down onto the racing line was a mistake, IMO. Then again... anything that could be crumpled/messed up on my car, already was, so no big deal. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" wrote... > <snip> Ooops, forgot to mention that, all in all, I think 6 cautions is not a bad count at this track in view of all the racing that took place in the pack. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sn0P8.35269$[email hidden]...

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? > > Well, what's there to say? -We wuz robbed, bud... ;-( > > That said, I think I was a bit harsh on Colin at the time. Ok, he was > following a bit too close for online purposes, but from my replay it

appears > as though he did make an effort to avoid the accident once he'd gotten > caught out by my braking point (which was exactly where I'd intended and, > IMO, had to be in order to make the pass on JLe). One of those racingdeals. > > In contrast, again: from my point of view, JayMo's involvements with youand > Brian appear more indicative of impatience/red mist driving. > > BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred > passed unhindered. Not stopping the car and switching to roof cam before > coming down onto the racing line was a mistake, IMO. Then again...anything > that could be crumpled/messed up on my car, already was, so no big deal. > > Jan. > =--- Yes, (I'm Jaymo) B.Farmer, I got in the back of you. My fault. I tried, though, to change lines at the last minute. Yes I'm agressive, but that is certainly no excuse for getting in the back of someone. I do my best to stay clean and hold my line, and I make mistakes. John Simmons, I looked at the replay (as any of you can) and still state I held my line, and it is your responsiblity to be sure of being clear before coming down. This is a clear rule, and breaking it will result in a wreck. The replay (on my side) shows this was YOUR mistake John Simmons. I don't know what your side shows, or if you'll even read this post, but if it shows the same as my side, you are being very unfair. Thank you, Steve K.

"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> " > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > problem. > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > be there next time. >

Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around there <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that same faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. John

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sn0P8.35269$[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? > > > > Well, what's there to say? -We wuz robbed, bud... ;-( > > > > That said, I think I was a bit harsh on Colin at the time. Ok, he was > > following a bit too close for online purposes, but from my replay it > appears > > as though he did make an effort to avoid the accident once he'd gotten > > caught out by my braking point (which was exactly where I'd intended and, > > IMO, had to be in order to make the pass on JLe). One of those racing > deals. > > > > In contrast, again: from my point of view, JayMo's involvements with you > and > > Brian appear more indicative of impatience/red mist driving. > > > > BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred > > passed unhindered. Not stopping the car and switching to roof cam before > > coming down onto the racing line was a mistake, IMO. Then again... > anything > > that could be crumpled/messed up on my car, already was, so no big deal. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > Yes, (I'm Jaymo) B.Farmer, I got in the back of you. My fault. I tried, > though, to change lines at the last minute. Yes I'm agressive, but that is > certainly no excuse for getting in the back of someone. I do my best to stay > clean and hold my line, and I make mistakes. John Simmons, I looked at the > replay (as any of you can) and still state I held my line, and it is your > responsiblity to be sure of being clear before coming down. This is a clear > rule, and breaking it will result in a wreck. The replay (on my side) shows > this was YOUR mistake John Simmons. I don't know what your side shows, or if > you'll even read this post, but if it shows the same as my side, you are > being very unfair. >

First, I was driving the same line I had for the previous 78 laps (of which you were directly behind me for at least 10. You knew you didn't have the room to pass clean, yet you pressed the issue. You were overly aggressive considering the point we were at in the race. I did not suddenly come down on you, and my spotter didn't say anything about a car being low (I have the spotter turned on to "full", too). If you check the rest of the replay, you'll see that I freely gave room to anyone that was under me, and I also backed off aon a couple of passes to prevent problems, and am not one to close the door on people that are clearly on my inside. In my view, you were the one at fault. Just take it down a notch and drive with a little more common sense. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

> > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I > did. >Didn't do you any good though did it, dick head.

I see nothing wrong with being aggressive as long as you know your limitations.We all make mistakes on occasion and hopefully most will learn from their mistakes. I think being aggressive is a nessecity if you want to win races on a consistent basis and in my opinion that is the only reason to race. Between a driver like Mark Martin or Dale Jr I will always take a Jr because he makes racing more exciting. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Steve K." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UM0P8.26175$[email hidden]... > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sn0P8.35269$[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? > > > > Well, what's there to say? -We wuz robbed, bud... ;-( > > > > That said, I think I was a bit harsh on Colin at the time. Ok, he was > > following a bit too close for online purposes, but from my replay it > appears > > as though he did make an effort to avoid the accident once he'd gotten > > caught out by my braking point (which was exactly where I'd intended and, > > IMO, had to be in order to make the pass on JLe). One of those racing > deals. > > > > In contrast, again: from my point of view, JayMo's involvements with you > and > > Brian appear more indicative of impatience/red mist driving. > > > > BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred > > passed unhindered. Not stopping the car and switching to roof cam before > > coming down onto the racing line was a mistake, IMO. Then again... > anything > > that could be crumpled/messed up on my car, already was, so no big deal. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > Yes, (I'm Jaymo) B.Farmer, I got in the back of you. My fault. I tried, > though, to change lines at the last minute. Yes I'm agressive, but that is > certainly no excuse for getting in the back of someone. I do my best to stay > clean and hold my line, and I make mistakes. John Simmons, I looked at the > replay (as any of you can) and still state I held my line, and it is your > responsiblity to be sure of being clear before coming down. This is a clear > rule, and breaking it will result in a wreck. The replay (on my side) shows > this was YOUR mistake John Simmons. I don't know what your side shows, or if > you'll even read this post, but if it shows the same as my side, you are > being very unfair. > > Thank you, > Steve K. > >

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>"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at >> the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the >> entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. >> >> This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the >> end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. > >Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. >

Excuse me?!? The passing car has the responsibility of making a safe pass. The only cars that need to 'get out of the way' are lappers. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <_fVO8.639$[email hidden]>, "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>John, I checked the replay after seeing the chat at the end of the race, & >saw >that the same driver punted me earlier in the race, ~ lap 37 or so. At the >time, altho a little po'ed after being hit twice from behind in turn 1, I >shrugged it off & kept going. (sorry to Eldred for coming down off the wall >in >front of you, hood was crumpled up & couldn't see ya coming & thought every1 >was >by) :-( >

That's one of the hazards of being so slow. Everyone thinks the field has gone by already. I've had that happen SEVERAL times in various sims... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> First, I was driving the same line I had for the previous 78 laps (of > which you were directly behind me for at least 10. > > You knew you didn't have the room to pass clean, yet you pressed the > issue. You were overly aggressive considering the point we were at in > the race. I did not suddenly come down on you, and my spotter didn't > say anything about a car being low (I have the spotter turned on to > "full", too). > > If you check the rest of the replay, you'll see that I freely gave room > to anyone that was under me, and I also backed off aon a couple of > passes to prevent problems, and am not one to close the door on people > that are clearly on my inside. > > In my view, you were the one at fault. Just take it down a notch and > drive with a little more common sense. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > ============================================

I agree. Sorry you lost positions. Steve K.

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> > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > " > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > problem. > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > > be there next time. > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around there > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that same > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point.

If he had been obviously/significantly faster, I would have let him by (and everyone here knows that). I didn't feel that his lap speeds were that much different from mine, and indeed, he overdrove a couple fo the turns a few times before he eventually punted me. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

One thing that has to remembered in the N2002 modeling the draft is much more prevelant. Just because you can draft up on a car doesn't mean you are faster. I would suggest one thing though, if a car is pressuring you then let them by. Thats the best way to find out who has the better car. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > " > > > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > > problem. > > > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > > > be there next time. > > > > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around there > > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that same > > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > If he had been obviously/significantly faster, I would have let him by > (and everyone here knows that). I didn't feel that his lap speeds were > that much different from mine, and indeed, he overdrove a couple fo the > turns a few times before he eventually punted me. > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Exactly Mike. Fwiw John, my post wasn't meant to apply/comment on your incident. John "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8j2P8.18879$[email hidden]... > One thing that has to remembered in the N2002 modeling the draft is much > more prevelant. Just because you can draft up on a car doesn't mean youare

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> faster. I would suggest one thing though, if a car is pressuring you then > let them by. Thats the best way to find out who has the better car. > > > -- > Mike Grandy > www.precision-racing.com > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > " > > > > > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope

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> > > > be there next time. > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around > there > > > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that > same > > > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > > > If he had been obviously/significantly faster, I would have let him by > > (and everyone here knows that). I didn't feel that his lap speeds were > > that much different from mine, and indeed, he overdrove a couple fo the > > turns a few times before he eventually punted me. > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

> > > >Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. > > > > Excuse me?!? The passing car has the responsibility of making a safepass. > The only cars that need to 'get out of the way' are lappers. > > Eldred > --Eldred, don't argue with an idiot, you'll just hurt your brain trying to think like him. -- Edward Commissioner MARA Middle-Aged Racers Association

I have not seen the replay yet, nor did I see the accident on track... ('damn pitstop cost me a whole bunch of spots..) - but I just wanted to say (this is not directed at anyone in particulare btw) that if you close the door - you face the risk.... and it's your responsibility to give the guy *inside* some space.. Just like it's the guy who's down low responsibility to take such a narrow line that he give the car outside room to play in so he dont have to visit the wall. Racing is just like any other relationship; you give some - you take some. Having said that - I think the Michigan race was quite good/clean... Although we still seem to have some problems "at the back of the grid"........ -- ed_

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> I have not seen the replay yet, nor did I see the > accident on track... ('damn pitstop cost me a > whole bunch of spots..) - but I just wanted to say > (this is not directed at anyone in particulare btw) > that if you close the door - you face the risk.... > and it's your responsibility to give the guy > *inside* some space.. Just like it's the guy who's > down low responsibility to take such a narrow line > that he give the car outside room to play in so he > dont have to visit the wall.

I've seen the replay, IMO there was no "inside" in this case. > Racing is just like any other relationship; you > give some - you take some. Other relationships suffer from breakdowns in communication too. <g> > Having said that - I think the Michigan race was quite > good/clean... Although we still seem to have some > problems "at the back of the grid"........ Especially when you quick guys place yourselves there through "ingenious" pitstop strategies. Late pitstop vs staying out there... 0 - 2. ;-)) Jan. =---

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> > BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred > passed unhindered. Not stopping the car and switching to roof cam before > coming down onto the racing line was a mistake, IMO. Then again... anything > that could be crumpled/messed up on my car, already was, so no big deal. > > Jan. > =--- >

Jan, I checked the replay again, & saw that I got you the same way I got Eldred after being punted the 1st time. Roof cam wouldn't have helped this time (tho I will try to remember to use it in the future), 'cause after I had committed to turning around & coming down the track, both your car & Eldreds car suddenly appeared closing fast after what appeared to be a clear track (both times I was facing the wrong way, up against the wall). That said, if I had any sense, I would have looked at the F2 screen instead of depending just on visuals. My bad, & I apologize to you as well. :-( A little humility is due here, for what I did was no less disruptive to another's race than what I was originally upset about, & *I* did the same thing wrong twice in the same race. :-( People in glass houses... Brian

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> Yes, (I'm Jaymo) B.Farmer, I got in the back of you. My fault. I tried, > though, to change lines at the last minute. Yes I'm agressive, but that is > certainly no excuse for getting in the back of someone. I do my best to stay > clean and hold my line, and I make mistakes. John Simmons, I looked at the > replay (as any of you can) and still state I held my line, and it is your > responsiblity to be sure of being clear before coming down. This is a clear > rule, and breaking it will result in a wreck. The replay (on my side) shows > this was YOUR mistake John Simmons. I don't know what your side shows, or if > you'll even read this post, but if it shows the same as my side, you are > being very unfair. > > Thank you, > Steve K. >

Steve, I consider myself a more conservative racer than some, & will generally let a noticeably faster car by ( and you were noticeably faster), esp. early on in a race. Just b4 our mishap, I suspected that I was slower when by myself because of aero damage, but was able to keep up w/ the cars ahead because of the draft (indeed, I was gaining & could have used you to get by them). I didn't want to lose the draft, & so was waiting for a chance to let you by that wouldn't cost me any time. In hindsight, I should have made that clear to you, but I can't drive & type (tho I can chew gum) at the same time. A little more patience on both our parts would have avoided a wreck, & points out a problem with a structure such as Rascar. Inexperience w/ each other (i.e., not knowing who is aggressive & who is conservative), leads me to be more conservative until I can figure out what the other guy is going to do. I make mistakes myself, & am in no position to criticize you (see reply to Jan earlier in this thread), as long as we can agree to learn from our mistakes. No hard feelings on my part, I was just venting a little (my lpi has dropped considerably since starting to race w/Rascar <sigh>) I still like the concept of RASCAR, & feel that a public sharing of critcisims *and* kudos will result in a better time for all At least I hope so. See ya next week. Brian

>>(sorry to Eldred for coming down off the wall in front of you, hood was >> crumpled up & couldn't see ya coming & >> thought every1 was by) :-( > > > > That's one of the hazards of being so slow. Everyone thinks the field hasgone

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> by already. I've had that happen SEVERAL times in various sims... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Again, sorry Eldred. See my response to Jan earlier in this thread. Brian

> Maybe you should try and get out of the way of the faster cars, loser. > ----------------------------------------- > > I see our troll is back. lol > Get your own troll. I belong solely to the dipshit called J.Simmons.

Oh, I forgot. Results and replay are posted at http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html Congrats to zugzug1! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <sn0P8.35269$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >BTW Brian, 't was me who you collected coming down off the wall, Eldred >passed unhindered. Really? Ok, maybe it was someone else. I *did* get hit in a manner like Brian described. A car involved in a crash stopped high. As I was going by, he pulled down into me. I haven't looked at the replay yet, so I couldn't say exactly who it was. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I > did. > What's his sexuality got to do with it?

For the record, I was NOT the one who put John into the wall. I was running 5th, and got third because of their melee... -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It was good for me until the end when the guy running 3rd punted me at > the end of lap 79. I didn't even so much as scrape the wall for the > entire race, and ended up in the wall and finishing 8th. > > This makes five RASCAR races where I was running in the top 5 at the > end, but that ended badly for me because of someone else's mistake. > > > > In article <brRO8.28292$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > Good Race. > > > > I chewed my way to a 3rd place finish after ending up at the rear early

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> > > > -Larry > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Nothing? Nobody wants to comment? > > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Nice job, Eldred! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Oh, I forgot. Results and replay are posted at > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html > > Congrats to zugzug1! > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > Really? Ok, maybe it was someone else. I *did* get hit in > a manner like Brian described. A car involved in a crash > stopped high. As I was going by, he pulled down into me. > I haven't looked at the replay yet, so I couldn't say > exactly who it was. As mentioned in another part of the thread, there actually were two seperate but similar incidents. I assumed Brian was saying he'd hit you in the aftermath of his incident with JayMo (where he let it roll down the banking backwards and, inevitably, got clubbed by me), my mistake. Jan. =---

Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I > > did. > > > > What's his sexuality got to do with it?

He doesn't race with us. In article <ka9P8.26329$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I > > > did. > > >

-- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

He doesn't race with us.

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> Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" ***. I > > > did.

-- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

It is, in most cases. There was just an unexpected visitor. -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ka9P8.26329$[email hidden]...

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> Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot. I > > > did. > > > > > > > What's his sexuality got to do with it? > >

It is, in most cases. There was just an unexpected visitor. -Larry

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> Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" ***. I > > > did. > > What's his ***ity got to do with it?

I thought the point was it was a drop in race where anyone could join so I'd expect this type of thing would happen. You guys do realize this is becoming an invite league don't you? Not criticizing anyone but I've been following these threads just to see how you guys are making out and it becomes more a more a league for selected drivers each week. I just hope things are going as you have planned as I know getting something like this going is not an easy task. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> He doesn't race with us. > > In article <ka9P8.26329$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > > > "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > > > > > It's probably best that you kill-file that little "redted" faggot.

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> > > > did. > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > " > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > problem. > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > > be there next time. > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around

there > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that same > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > John > IAWTP Hold me up when I am faster and you can expect the same sometime in the future when you're faster. It's all about who is fast on certain days, I try not to hold up guys on my slow days and I expect the same curteousy on my fast days...

It's gotten to the point where we expect to see certain people with certain car nuners, and there's a large number of people (much more than 43) in the group. The reasons to create and maintain an invite list are: 1) Prevent new guys from just dropping in without at least registering for a car number first. This way, they also see the "guidelines" we'd like them to adhere to. 2) If someone goes bersertk and all of a udden starts wrecking people intentionally, we can easily ban him from the server by simply removing him from the invite list. Of course, to make this work, Eldred would also have to come up with a super-double-secret server password that only he knows ("RAS" wouldn't be viable). In article <ASjP8.26440$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I thought the point was it was a drop in race where anyone could join so I'd > expect this type of thing would happen. > You guys do realize this is becoming an invite league don't you? Not > criticizing anyone but I've been following these threads just to see how you > guys are making out and it becomes more a more a league for selected drivers > each week. I just hope things are going as you have planned as I know > getting something like this going is not an easy task. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > He doesn't race with us. > > > > In article <ka9P8.26329$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Friendly little pickup racing group isn't it ;) > > >

-- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iQrP8.81724$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > " > > > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > > problem. > > > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > > > be there next time. > > > > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around > there > > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that

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> > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > > > John > > > > IAWTP > > Hold me up when I am faster and you can expect the same sometime in the > future when you're faster. It's all about who is fast on certain days, I

try > not to hold up guys on my slow days and I expect the same curteousy on my > fast days... > Exactly. John > >

Think so? Just wait until the next time I see you on RASCAR. 8-o David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]... > That 'payback' mentality is really counter-productive. It leads to nothing > but trouble for everyone. We all make mistakes at one point or another,and

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> if everyone would reserve the right to carry out his personal vendetta > whenever he thinks someone did him wrong, that would be all we'd be doing > all day long... > > Achim > >

It's not paybacks. It's just racing others the same way they race you. A payback would be to put them into the wall :) John "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]... > That 'payback' mentality is really counter-productive. It leads to nothing > but trouble for everyone. We all make mistakes at one point or another,and

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> if everyone would reserve the right to carry out his personal vendetta > whenever he thinks someone did him wrong, that would be all we'd be doing > all day long... > > Achim > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iQrP8.81724$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > " > > > > > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope

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> > > > be there next time. > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around > > there > > > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that > same > > > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > IAWTP > > > > Hold me up when I am faster and you can expect the same sometime in the > > future when you're faster. It's all about who is fast on certain days, I > try > > not to hold up guys on my slow days and I expect the same curteousy on

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>Nice job, Eldred! > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Oh, I forgot. Results and replay are posted at >> http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html >> >> Congrats to zugzug1!

Why, because I stayed on the lead lap for one of the few times this "season"? :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Nice job, Eldred! >-Larry >> Oh, I forgot. Results and replay are posted at >> http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html >> Congrats to zugzug1!

Why, because I stayed on the lead lap for one of the few times this "season"? :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for *** cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That 'payback' mentality is really counter-productive. It leads to nothing but trouble for everyone. We all make mistakes at one point or another, and if everyone would reserve the right to carry out his personal vendetta whenever he thinks someone did him wrong, that would be all we'd be doing all day long... Achim "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iQrP8.81724$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > " > > > > > > Nice attitude! If the faster car can't pass, it's the faster car's > > > problem. > > > > > > Couldn't attend the race yesterday, I was attending a wedding. Hope to > > > be there next time. > > > > > > > Yes and no in oval racing. What goes around literally comes around > there > > <G> Someone makes it hard for an obviously faster car to pass, that

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> > faster car usually repays the "favor" at some point. > > > > John > > > > IAWTP > > Hold me up when I am faster and you can expect the same sometime in the > future when you're faster. It's all about who is fast on certain days, I

try > not to hold up guys on my slow days and I expect the same curteousy on my > fast days... > > >

Sure, if you want to thank me on the track for giving my opinion WRT Ed's creative little report... just do it :-) Achim "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LDsP8.296458$[email hidden]...

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> Think so? Just wait until the next time I see you on RASCAR. 8-o > > David G Fisher > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]... > > That 'payback' mentality is really counter-productive. It leads to

nothing > > but trouble for everyone. We all make mistakes at one point or another, > and > > if everyone would reserve the right to carry out his personal vendetta > > whenever he thinks someone did him wrong, that would be all we'd bedoing

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> > all day long... > > > > Achim > > > > > > >