GPL: I can't believe this game is still so popular

GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on the messageboards today.

"Joe Masliah" wrote...

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> GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how > old is this game anyway? I remember back when I had > a rendition verite 3d video card (you know the guys > before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its > proprietary API called redline or something. I am > amazed this game is still so popular on the > messageboards today.

It'll be 4 years in September. I think there's three reasons. 1. Strong user community. Add-on tracks and enhanced graphics have kept the game fresh. 2. Absense of competition. No open wheel/roadracing style game has yet matched or bettered GPL on all counts, more specifically the online racing capabilities. 3. Continued support from Papyrus. We got FF, we got improved online play, we (unofficially) got D3D support and it's developers still answer questions from the group. If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they call it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. There's lots of life left in the old girl. Jan. =---

Have you driven it? Have you seen the community created additions? Have you run it on a fast system w/a GeForce 4 and the patches? If you're answer to any of these is "no", you should give it a try. J. P. Hovercraft ---------- Joe Masliah wrote: > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today.

well no other game has decent physics aswell as good multiplayer and non-oval tracks. "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]...

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> GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. > >

Well, it's still the leader in physics. That's probably one reason. -Larry "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]...

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> GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. > >

>"Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote > GPL, probably a great game during its time. Still one today. > But how old is this game anyway? Sorry but a tool of entertainment doesn't vaporise itself with time. There are still people who admire old paintings, old movies, old music, etc.. I absolutely do not see a difference with GPL, it's something that people have created and for people to use. Time is irrevelant. It's all about gameplay. > I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. Here it's called, newsgroups. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1H6P8.1241$[email hidden]... > Sorry but a tool of entertainment doesn't vaporise itself with time.There > are still people who admire old paintings, old movies, old music, etc..I > absolutely do not see a difference with GPL, it's something that peoplehave > created and for people to use. Time is irrevelant. It's all about > gameplay. GPL, the Star Wars (ep4 of course) of the computer gaming world ;-) Would more people still be playing Quake1 if there hadn't been the 'sequels'? Yes, probably. GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. Malc.

No sequel. :-) Reminds me of the MTM2 following. David G Fisher "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]...

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> GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. > >

GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > Malc. > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I prefer over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite more scoffing.) Alanb

"Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote on 16 Jun 2002: > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this > game anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d > video card (you know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to > run on its proprietary API called redline or something. I am > amazed this game is still so popular on the messageboards today. Well, I think a *major* factor is that there are really only two games that work really well over the net - the NASCAR series and GPL. Bernie Ecclestone's blind spot over the matter means that no modern F1 sim has internet play, and SCGT for example would need a couple of Crays to get into double figures of cars... whereas GPL can happily support 19 drivers on 28K dialup modems. So, if you want to play online, and you want a car that turns right and weighs less than 38 tons <g>, then GPL is the only way to go. -- England 1 Argentina 0! Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D England 3 Denmark 0! Also Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yU7P8.214824$352.14169@sccrnsc02...

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> > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > Malc. > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I

prefer > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite more > scoffing.) > > Alanb > OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) Elrikk

If it was just an "opinion" there wouldn't be so many people online genuflecting...after all these years And it's not just a popular topic of discussion in this NG, there's a community of thousands enjoying it, hundreds on any given night playing it online, and dozens of dedicated designers like Andre Streu (see "Sachsenring - An Appreciation," above) burning gallons of midnight oil making add-ons for it. If it was just One Man's Opinion, rabid enthusiasts wouldn't have taken the time to craft over 200 new tracks for it. That's *my* opinion. --Steve Smith "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yU7P8.214824$352.14169@sccrnsc02...

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> > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > Malc. > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I

prefer > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite more > scoffing.) > > Alanb > >

There's another Mary Tyler Moore? "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4R7P8.274666$[email hidden]...

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> No sequel. :-) > > Reminds me of the MTM2 following. > > David G Fisher > > "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]... > > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card

(you > > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietaryAPI > > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popularon > > the messageboards today. > > > > > >

Uh, no. Don't get me wrong, GPL is a great game and I still spend more time with it than other racing games, but it's physics are outdated and incomplete compared to EA's F1 series. A minor technical point that admittedly has little to do with how much fun the game is, but just for the record ISI's physics engine is the current state of the art in automotive simulation gaming. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Jy6P8.39318$[email hidden]... > Well, it's still the leader in physics. That's probably one reason. > > -Larry >

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yU7P8.214824$352.14169@sccrnsc02...

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> > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > Malc. > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I

prefer > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite more > scoffing.) According to me. I just thought it was witty. How about this: In my opinion, GPL is the most entertaining and satisfying computer game (I know, I know) of any sort available. For more than 3.5 years now I have thoroughly enjoyed the realistic and challenging cars and tracks, and every time I get a good laptime at the Nurburgring, or race for position online, it gets better and better. I have yet to find another computer game, of any genre, that beats or even equals my enjoyment of GPL, although several have come close, including NR2002, Viper Racing, SCGT, Quake3, CMR2, Carmageddon2, I76, Rally Trophy, even Elite on the BBC was not this good, although it's pretty damn close. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it, really. Hope that answers your question. Malc.

Hey, Im "Johny come back to GPL lately" and the part below I quote, but I dont find the "essentials" I see a sheet load of neat and new stuff but Im like overwhelmed on what to get, what not to get!!! is there really an essentials list anyone could give me, as Im not in a big hurry to get racks, but most of the stuff over time would be good. what is an idea about 16 bit gfx, should I have it with my p3-800 with G-F 2? Man I wish papy would have leased the code used for WinVrock and implemented similiar for thier online client... wow that thing is awesome, everything you ever needed to join or host a race online... WOW! again, as I found some 1000+ setups somewhere and I an restarting my training when I can find time, at monza... LOL you have to give me a tiny break though, I mean Im use to like 5 corners max <G> except the couple roadcourse in NR2002... Im able to do 1.29.3? with a eagle at the moment... not consistantly but at leas one lap each race is that fast... thanks Jan, Plowboy "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sx5P8.35770$[email hidden]...

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> If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they call > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. > There's lots of life left in the old girl. > > Jan. > =--- > >

LOL "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V99P8.19547$[email hidden]...

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> There's another Mary Tyler Moore? > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4R7P8.274666$[email hidden]... > > No sequel. :-) > > > > Reminds me of the MTM2 following. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]... > > > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > > > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card > (you > > > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary > API > > > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so

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"Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hy9P8.6370$xU5.564026@wards... > I have yet to find another computer game, of any genre, that beats or even > equals my enjoyment of GPL, although several have come close, including > NR2002, Viper Racing, SCGT, Quake3, CMR2, Carmageddon2, I76, Rally Trophy, > even Elite on the BBC was not this good, although it's pretty damn close. Ahhh, you never played Chuckie Egg did you? :0)

What you say is fine; and I give credit to GPL for being a great game. But this is all opinion. To someone else, Sega GT is the best game. If you or anyone else thinks GPL is the greatest racing simulation, that's fine. But you go beyond things when you say, categorically, any game is the best ever. If folks don't get this rather simple concept, then there's nothing more to say. Alanb "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n99P8.19546$[email hidden]...

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> If it was just an "opinion" there wouldn't be so many people online > genuflecting...after all these years And it's not just a popular topic of > discussion in this NG, there's a community of thousands enjoying it, > hundreds on any given night playing it online, and dozens of dedicated > designers like Andre Streu (see "Sachsenring - An Appreciation," above) > burning gallons of midnight oil making add-ons for it. If it was just One > Man's Opinion, rabid enthusiasts wouldn't have taken the time to craft

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> 200 new tracks for it. That's *my* opinion. > > --Steve Smith > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yU7P8.214824$352.14169@sccrnsc02... > > > > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > > > Malc. > > > > > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I > prefer > > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite

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> > scoffing.) > > > > Alanb > > > > > >

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FgaP8.54399$[email hidden]... > What you say is fine; and I give credit to GPL for being a great game.But > this is all opinion. To someone else, Sega GT is the best game. If youor > anyone else thinks GPL is the greatest racing simulation, that's fine.But > you go beyond things when you say, categorically, any game is the bestever. > If folks don't get this rather simple concept, then there's nothing moreto > say. This is a newsgroup where people share their views & offer advice. We've both shared our views. Would you like some advice? ;-) Malc.

That's easy. 1. Links 2001 2. TW 2002 3. PGA 200 (or even PGA 2000) "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nS8P8.4599$%[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yU7P8.214824$352.14169@sccrnsc02... > > > > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > > > Malc. > > > > > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I > prefer > > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite

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> > scoffing.) > > > > Alanb > > > > OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) > > Elrikk > > >

>"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote > OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game is Links ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Wait until you see Links 2003 due out perhaps this fall. 8-) -- Chris H. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gdbP8.1125$[email hidden]... > >"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote > > OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) > > > Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game is Links > ;-) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >

You guys are something else. I like LS, yes. It's good, yes. I think it's the best, yes. That's my opinion, yes. But I don't resort to silly, childhish, inane remarks like you guys do. You guys think you control this group and as soon as someone comes along who might not see GPL as God, you get offended and resort to silly replies. Whatever gets your goat, I suppose. Sorry that I hurt someone's feelings-- I know I'm entering haloed ground. Alanb "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gdbP8.1125$[email hidden]...

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> >"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote > > OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) > > > Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game is Links > ;-) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game isLinks > > ;-) > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > You guys are something else. I like LS, yes. It's good, yes. I thinkit's > the best, yes. That's my opinion, yes. But I don't resort to silly, > childhish, inane remarks like you guys do. You guys think you controlthis > group and as soon as someone comes along who might not see GPL as God, you > get offended and resort to silly replies. What was silly, childish and inane in my remarks????�? SnuH? Oh btw, your vinyl is stuck on the last groove. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

And how about N2002? ;-) "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aej7ki$7elh0$[email hidden]...

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> Uh, no. Don't get me wrong, GPL is a great game and I still spend more > time with it than other racing games, but it's physics are outdated and > incomplete compared to EA's F1 series. A minor technical point that > admittedly has little to do with how much fun the game is, but just for > the record ISI's physics engine is the current state of the art in > automotive simulation gaming. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Jy6P8.39318$[email hidden]... > > Well, it's still the leader in physics. That's probably one reason. > > > > -Larry > > > >

The tires man, the tires... ...and the draft... ...back to dega :-) > So, if you want to play online, and you want a car that turns right > and weighs less than 38 tons <g>, then GPL is the only way to go.

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IGcP8.57456$nZ3.21798@rwcrnsc53... > You guys are something else. I like LS, yes. It's good, yes. I thinkit's > the best, yes. That's my opinion, yes. But I don't resort to silly, > childhish, inane remarks like you guys do. You guys think you controlthis > group and as soon as someone comes along who might not see GPL as God, you > get offended and resort to silly replies. > > Whatever gets your goat, I suppose. Sorry that I hurt someone'sfeelings-- > I know I'm entering haloed ground. I'm happy to discuss the merits of other titles, but you haven't actually expressed a preference, other saying GPL isn't best. Have an opinion and I'm sure most will be happy to discuss it. Some may even agree with you. I'm sure it's technically possible ;-) Malc.

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> > You guys are something else. I like LS, yes. It's good, yes. I think it's > the best, yes. That's my opinion, yes. But I don't resort to silly, > childhish, inane remarks like you guys do. You guys think you control this > group and as soon as someone comes along who might not see GPL as God, you > get offended and resort to silly replies. > > Whatever gets your goat, I suppose. Sorry that I hurt someone's feelings-- > I know I'm entering haloed ground.

Try again, several people, me included, has stated that N2002 is a superior sim to GPL, technically, and has never gotten any silly remarks back Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Joe Masliah <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]... > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. GPL is not really a normal game.. it's more like soccer (or American Football if you are of that persuasion) People have played soccer for ages and will still play soccer in 10-20 or 50 years. GPL is that kind of thing. Mikkel

Try either our beginners guides here: http://www.racesimcentral.com/guides/gpl/beginner.shtml Or the "What to do" list at the top left of this page: http://hotgrids.racesimcentral.com/ Mikkel Plowboy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_N9P8.41730$[email hidden]... > Hey, > > Im "Johny come back to GPL lately" and the part below I quote, but I dont > find the "essentials" I see a sheet load of neat and new stuff but Imlike > overwhelmed on what to get, what not to get!!! is there really an > essentials list anyone could give me, as Im not in a big hurry to getracks, > but most of the stuff over time would be good. what is an idea about 16bit > gfx, should I have it with my p3-800 with G-F 2? > > Man I wish papy would have leased the code used for WinVrock andimplemented

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> similiar for thier online client... wow that thing is awesome, everything > you ever needed to join or host a race online... WOW! > > again, as I found some 1000+ setups somewhere and I an restarting my > training when I can find time, at monza... > > LOL you have to give me a tiny break though, I mean Im use to like 5

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> max <G> except the couple roadcourse in NR2002... > > Im able to do 1.29.3? with a eagle at the moment... not consistantly but > at leas one lap each race is that fast... > > thanks Jan, > Plowboy > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sx5P8.35770$[email hidden]... > > > If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they

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> > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. > > There's lots of life left in the old girl. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

> > GPL is not really a normal game.. it's more like soccer (or American > Football if you are of that persuasion) > People have played soccer for ages and will still play soccer in 10-20 or50 > years. GPL is that kind of thing. > > Mikkel > > ......must....be .....restrained......must not make...... a....... Denmark / England comment..... phew I made it :) Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com PS. I agree :)

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Try again, several people, me included, has stated that N2002 is a > superior sim to GPL, technically, and has never gotten any silly remarks > back I'd have to agree that there are now alot of games and sims that are technically superior to GPL, with more realistic graphics and/or physics. That's 4 years progress for you. I bought NR2002 and SCGT basically on the strength of opinions on this newsgroup, and I'll probably buy F12001/2 too, for the same reason. If people didn't give their opinions, I probably never would have given NR2002 a second glance. I'm not a NASCAR fan, I'm afraid ;-) Malc.

"Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeklc1$s03$[email hidden]... > people *enjoy* playing football????? > Of course they do :) ....come outside once in a while Mike, its not that bad :P Ash

people *enjoy* playing football????? "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aekhhe$6s7$[email hidden]... > > > > > GPL is not really a normal game.. it's more like soccer (or American > > Football if you are of that persuasion) > > People have played soccer for ages and will still play soccer in 10-20or

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> 50 > > years. GPL is that kind of thing. > > > > Mikkel > > > > > > ......must....be .....restrained......must not make...... a....... Denmark

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> England comment..... > > > phew I made it :) > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > > PS. I agree :) > > >

"Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote on 17 Jun 2002: <snip> > even Elite on > the BBC was not this good, although it's pretty damn close. <snip> Revs? -- England 1 Argentina 0! Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D England 3 Denmark 0! Also Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

Oi, i opened my window today! "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeklsi$9kc$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aeklc1$s03$[email hidden]... > > people *enjoy* playing football????? > > > > Of course they do :) > > ....come outside once in a while Mike, its not that bad :P > > Ash > >

"Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aekomr$2de$[email hidden]... > Oi, i opened my window today! >My sister-in-law refers to sleeping with the windows open as "camping" -Paul

"-Paul" <[email hidden]> writes: > "Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aekomr$2de$[email hidden]... > > Oi, i opened my window today! > > > My sister-in-law refers to sleeping with the windows open as "camping" Hehe, people i know sleeps with the window open when -15 C outside. Nutters. I installed a mosquito net on my window. Most sensible thing i've done since putting my Philips WS 32" on my interior budget instead of toy budget ;) I just *hate* waking up by the sound of a big angry wasp in my room. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> > GPL hasn't had a sequel, or an equal yet. > > > > Malc. > > > > > > According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone > else. But some might disagree with you. (Please don't ask me what I prefer > over GPL-- it would not change anyone's opinion but would just invite more > scoffing.)

EVO 4X4? Gerry

Mike Davison wrote: > > people *enjoy* playing football????? In my school there were two types of guys: 1. Chaps that liked playing football/soccer. 2. Fat wheezy boys that stood on the side of the pitch clutching an 'excuse me' note form their mothers. Side note: My nephew went to a public boarding school, AND he says that the guys who hated footie were also the ones that wet the bed! So IMO if you don't like playing footie, then your a lard arsed, bed wetter! ;) Gerry

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> > Mike Davison wrote: > >>people *enjoy* playing football????? > > > In my school there were two types of guys: > > 1. Chaps that liked playing football/soccer. > > 2. Fat wheezy boys that stood on the side of the pitch clutching an > 'excuse me' note form their mothers. > > Side note: My nephew went to a public boarding school, AND he says that > the guys who hated footie were also the ones that wet the bed! > > So IMO if you don't like playing footie, then your a lard arsed, bed > wetter! ;)

And while you guys were playing "footie", I was out back making time with your girl. :-) -- Fester

"Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeklc1$s03$[email hidden]... > people *enjoy* playing football????? Only people who don't sit at their computers all day criticising football on an auto simulator newsgroup <g>

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > EVO 4X4? Hmm... from http://4x4evo.godgames.com/ "Terminal Reality proudly presents 4x4 Evolution, an arcade-style, 4x4 off-road simulation for the PC, Mac and Sega DreamcastT. 4x4 Evolution puts virtual drivers behind the wheel of their favorite real world SUV and/or truck and challenges them to race through a variety of detailed off-road environments." I see your point ;-) Malc.

Uncle Fester wrote: > > And while you guys were playing "footie", I was out back making time > with your girl. :-) Of course you were, dear boy, of course you were. Gerry

Gpl is still popular as are the real life cars from the same era. Indeed, historic racing has never been so popular. Common denominator.... Both are classics MS "Joe Masliah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pi5P8.273053$[email hidden]...

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> GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how old is this game > anyway? I remember back when I had a rendition verite 3d video card (you > know the guys before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its proprietary API > called redline or something. I am amazed this game is still so popular on > the messageboards today. > >

errr, i'll get my coat then... "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Mike Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aeklc1$s03$[email hidden]... > > people *enjoy* playing football????? > > Only people who don't sit at their computers all day criticising footballon > an auto simulator newsgroup <g> > >

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ael9o7$9b$[email hidden]... > Gpl is still popular as are the real life cars from the same era. Indeed, > historic racing has never been so popular. > > Common denominator.... Both are classics Maybe so, but I personally have very little interest in classic cars. I like GPL because it offers the best online racing experience. If another sim ever replaces that aspect of GPL, it will fade away like all games eventually do. NR 2002 has replaced GPL for some people, but not everybody - the cars just aren't as much fun to drive on road courses as the open-wheel cars are. Here's a thought: maybe most game developers don't WANT to create good online racing, because they'd rather sell a new release every season instead of having a fanatical fan base stick with the same old game for 3 years!

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> > In my school there were two types of guys: > > 1. Chaps that liked playing football/soccer. > > 2. Fat wheezy boys that stood on the side of the pitch clutching an > 'excuse me' note form their mothers.

In my school, those who played football did so because they were not man enough to play rugby :-) MS Hehe. How to kill a footballer -- light tap on the ankle.

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aelad0$gi7$[email hidden]... > In my school, those who played football did so because they were not man > enough to play rugby :-) In my school, those with skill and fitness played football. All the others played rugby... <g>

> In my school, those who played football did so because they were not man > enough to play rugby :-) In my school, the only sport that mattered was hockey. Summer was just that season where you waited for hockey season.

I agree with what Jan said. The other 2 things that have kept me coming back are: - Subject matter. 1967 F1. No wings. 3-liters. Lotus 49. Nurburgring. Probably the greatest season in GP history, from a nostalgic and technical standpoint. - 100% Simulation. No bullshit. No compromises. Papyrus are clearly more interested in the business of trying to create the most realistic driving experience possible rather than catering to what a race fan thinks a racing game should be like. Surely this hurts them somewhat sales-wise (unless NASCAR is slapped on the box) but fuck it. I want to drive a simulation of a race car, not be enthralled by graphics and an exagerrated sense of speed while driving something that is close enough to a race car to convince most people. And of course, I'd re-emphasize everything Jan listed. Multiplayer + dedicated mod-making community = longevity. I can still find people playing Quake 1 Team Fortress when I'm in the mood for some FPS action. Jason "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<sx5P8.35770$[email hidden]>...

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> "Joe Masliah" wrote... > > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how > > old is this game anyway? I remember back when I had > > a rendition verite 3d video card (you know the guys > > before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its > > proprietary API called redline or something. I am > > amazed this game is still so popular on the > > messageboards today. > > It'll be 4 years in September. I think there's three reasons. > > 1. Strong user community. Add-on tracks and enhanced graphics have kept the > game fresh. > > 2. Absense of competition. No open wheel/roadracing style game has yet > matched or bettered GPL on all counts, more specifically the online racing > capabilities. > > 3. Continued support from Papyrus. We got FF, we got improved online play, > we (unofficially) got D3D support and it's developers still answer questions > from the group. > > If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they call > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. > There's lots of life left in the old girl. > > Jan. > =---

I agree with what Jan said. The other 2 things that have kept me coming back are: - Subject matter. 1967 F1. No wings. 3-liters. Lotus 49. Nurburgring. Probably the greatest season in GP history, from a nostalgic and technical standpoint. - 100% Simulation. No bullshit. No compromises. Papyrus are clearly more interested in the business of trying to create the most realistic driving experience possible rather than catering to what a race fan thinks a racing game should be like. Surely this hurts them somewhat sales-wise (unless NASCAR is slapped on the box) but fuck it. I want to drive a simulation of a race car, not be enthralled by graphics and an exagerrated sense of speed while driving something that is close enough to a race car to convince most people. And of course, I'd re-emphasize everything Jan listed. Multiplayer + dedicated mod-making community = longevity. I can still find people playing Quake 1 Team Fortress when I'm in the mood for some FPS action. Jason "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<sx5P8.35770$[email hidden]>...

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> "Joe Masliah" wrote... > > GPL, probably a great game during its time. But how > > old is this game anyway? I remember back when I had > > a rendition verite 3d video card (you know the guys > > before 3dfx) and they made GPL to run on its > > proprietary API called redline or something. I am > > amazed this game is still so popular on the > > messageboards today. > > It'll be 4 years in September. I think there's three reasons. > > 1. Strong user community. Add-on tracks and enhanced graphics have kept the > game fresh. > > 2. Absense of competition. No open wheel/roadracing style game has yet > matched or bettered GPL on all counts, more specifically the online racing > capabilities. > > 3. Continued support from Papyrus. We got FF, we got improved online play, > we (unofficially) got D3D support and it's developers still answer questions > from the group. > > If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they call > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. > There's lots of life left in the old girl. > > Jan. > =---

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> > "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aelad0$gi7$[email hidden]... > > In my school, those who played football did so because they were not man > > enough to play rugby :-) > > In my school, those with skill and fitness played football. All the others > played rugby... <g>

LOL At 25, could do 100m in 11.4 s. At 38 years of age, I'll still show most 25 year olds in my district a clean pair of heels over a mile, such is the couch potato culture we live in. Last real run out was the Fleet 1/2 marathon two years ago. 1Hr 26mins MS

N2002 certainly is a step up from GPL in terms of physics modelling, with the inclusion of tire wear and downforce. But I believe it still uses a simplified suspension model. EA's F1 series actually models the dynamics of the suspension links. Again, whether or not that makes it a better game is a separate issue, I am only commenting on which game appears to have the most accurate and complete physics. "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aejsc4$7ga3s$[email hidden]... > And how about N2002? ;-) >

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> N2002 certainly is a step up from GPL in terms of physics > modelling, with the inclusion of tire wear and downforce. > But I believe it still uses a simplified suspension model. > EA's F1 series actually models the dynamics of the > suspension links. Again, whether or not that makes it a > better game is a separate issue, I am only commenting on > which game appears to have the most accurate and complete > physics.

I thought the suspension links were modelled in GPL as well? Does EA do dynamic camber, does N2k2 ? Jan. =---

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>>"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote >> OK. But which is better; PGA200, Links2001 or TW2002? ;o) > > >Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game is Links >;-) > >

I disagree. As a simmer, playing Links is just a click-fest... click, click, click... Ooh, I've just got it in the hole! Anything that doesn't provide a proper Trueswing type of play isn't a golf 'sim' imho. Yes, I know they've implemented some kind of technology, but it still sounds rather clunky. (click before the ball/after the ball contact, etc) Having said that, PGA2000 was removed from my HD long, long ago because it was oh so frustrating and almost random at times when it came to calculating how hard I had hit the ball and in which direction, based upon my mouse movement. And this after playing well over a 100 rounds of golf on the damned thing. Just when you wanted to lay up short with a soft shot to keep away from the hazard off the back of the green and it would somehow hammer it an extra 30 yards. Want to play with a touch of draw to avoid the water on the right? Shame, looks like you've gone and sliced it! Anyway, this is way OT, so I recommend: http://www.fhmus.com/images/reporter/slacker/miniputt.swf -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

They are shown graphically, but the general opinion (not proof, admittedly) has been that GPL uses fixed roll centers to model suspension movement. This would also explain why they show wheel rates rather than spring rates, because that is also part of the simplified suspension model. Hmm, since we do get to see real rates in N4/N2002, perhaps they are modelling the links in the NASCAR products. Regarding dynamic camber, I think they all do, but in different ways. I don't know how you could even come close to the right handling if you didn't. I suspect GPL uses some kind of a curve fit to alter the camber. For the EA/ISI model it would fall out as a natural consequence of the suspension kinematics. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IVuP8.37259$[email hidden]...

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> > I thought the suspension links were modelled in GPL as well? > > Does EA do dynamic camber, does N2k2 ? > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Haqsau" wrote... > They are shown graphically, but the general opinion > (not proof, admittedly) has been that GPL uses fixed > roll centers to model suspension movement. This > would also explain why they show wheel rates rather > than spring rates, because that is also part of the > simplified suspension model. I see... I just mentioned it because I seem to remember reading something to the effect of "the cars in GPL are modelled as a collection of seperate components (chassis, engine, wheels, etc..) which act upon eachother along their _actual_ links" before its release (underline by me).

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> Hmm, since we do get to see real rates in N4/N2002, > perhaps they are modelling the links in the NASCAR > products. > Regarding dynamic camber, I think they all do, but > in different ways. I don't know how you could even > come close to the right handling if you didn't. > I suspect GPL uses some kind of a curve fit to alter > the camber. For the EA/ISI model it would fall out > as a natural consequence of the suspension kinematics.

I wonder if we're talking about the same thing here... I meant do the wheels change camber as they move up and down, e.g. do the rear wheel get more positive camber when the car squats? -I'm pretty sure it was confirmed GPL does not model this. Jan. =---

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> Having said that, PGA2000 was removed from my HD long, long ago because > it was oh so frustrating and almost random at times when it came to > calculating how hard I had hit the ball and in which direction, based > upon my mouse movement. And this after playing well over a 100 rounds > of golf on the damned thing. Just when you wanted to lay up short with > a soft shot to keep away from the hazard off the back of the green and > it would somehow hammer it an extra 30 yards. Want to play with a touch > of draw to avoid the water on the right? Shame, looks like you've gone > and sliced it!

Sounds like golf to me. -- -asbjxrn

"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" wrote... > > <snip> > Sounds like golf to me. My incompetence at golf is already there... it doesn't have to be enhanced by the game. I've yet to find an intuitive "trueswing" or similar system. Jan. =---

Excellent sim IMO. :-)

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> > Anyway, this is way OT, so I recommend: > > http://www.fhmus.com/images/reporter/slacker/miniputt.swf > -- > Peter Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

shows how little thing have moved on in 4years :P Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aej7ki$7elh0$[email hidden]...

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> Uh, no. Don't get me wrong, GPL is a great game and I still spend more > time with it than other racing games, but it's physics are outdated and > incomplete compared to EA's F1 series. A minor technical point that > admittedly has little to do with how much fun the game is, but just for > the record ISI's physics engine is the current state of the art in > automotive simulation gaming. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Jy6P8.39318$[email hidden]... > > Well, it's still the leader in physics. That's probably one reason. > > > > -Larry > > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<gdbP8.1125$[email hidden]>... > Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game is Links > ;-) Ugh, how can you stand those washed out colors? And brakes that won't lock more than 80 yards from the pin?!? PGA2000 all the way. Well, not really. Computer golf is about as interesting as computer landscaping. I want a good lawnmower sim. Or maybe "Walk In the Park 2002". Jason

> What was silly, childish and inane in my remarks????�? SnuH? > > Oh btw, your vinyl is stuck on the last groove. Theres *only* one groove on a piece of vinyl heh heh, unless you count the B side.

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeljqc$6br$[email hidden]...

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> > "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3d0e364f$[email hidden]... > > > > "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aelad0$gi7$[email hidden]... > > > In my school, those who played football did so because they were not

man > > > enough to play rugby :-) > > > > In my school, those with skill and fitness played football. All theothers > > played rugby... <g> > > LOL > > At 25, could do 100m in 11.4 s. At 38 years of age, I'll still show most25 > year olds in my district a clean pair of heels over a mile, such is the > couch potato culture we live in. Last real run out was the Fleet 1/2 > marathon two years ago. 1Hr 26mins > > MS Yeah, but you didn't go to my school... :-) Great times, tho.

WOW a Lawnmower sim!!!! hehe better be careful what you wish for.. infinitely adjustable ride heights, seperately modelled suspension dynamics, weather effects, replays and customisable skins :-) ... Just when I was getting enthusiastic over the concept of "Sewer Trout racing 2" ... !!!! Another gret sim possibility... :-)) jv Computer golf is about as > interesting as computer landscaping. I want a good lawnmower sim. Or > maybe "Walk In the Park 2002". > > Jason

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>"Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad" wrote... >> > <snip> >> Sounds like golf to me. > >My incompetence at golf is already there... it doesn't have to be enhanced >by the game. I've yet to find an intuitive "trueswing" or similar system. >

I had it completely sussed - or so I thought - with PGA2000 and that's why, when it did the complete opposite to my mouse actions, I got really p*ss*d off at the thing. I could explain how to make hooks or slices easier to do, but wrong NG for that. So, I've got 2 games on my system at the mo', N2K2 and GPL. :) -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

Jan, I was basing what I said on things that I have read here and at various web sites, but I know I can't prove any of it. So you might be right on all points. It does seem a bit inconsistent though that GPL would model actual links and yet not include dynamic camber. How can you have one and not the other? And yes I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same thing. Dynamic camber happens because of the links. If you model the links correctly the tire should change camber correctly as it moves up and down. The only way that it couldn't do that is if you were treating it like a beam axle. Also with regards to the fixed roll centers, my assumption here is based on the fact that GPL cars behave much like old swing axle cars. Even Alison Hine has commented on this. High fixed roll centers would explain this. That would also explain to some degree why most hot setups have extremely stiff ARB's combined with soft springs and dampers. IIRC that is exactly the opposite of the way people set their cars up in the 60's. Stiff springs and dampers with little or nothing in the way of ARB's was considered the hot setup for roadracing back then IF you had proper suspension. Stiff ARB's were only used on swing axle cars, because it was the only way to keep them from rolling over. Anyway it's all conjecture on my part, if you know that I am wrong then so be it. ;o) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HbCP8.37408$[email hidden]...

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> > "Haqsau" wrote... > > They are shown graphically, but the general opinion > > (not proof, admittedly) has been that GPL uses fixed > > roll centers to model suspension movement. This > > would also explain why they show wheel rates rather > > than spring rates, because that is also part of the > > simplified suspension model. > > I see... I just mentioned it because I seem to remember reading

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> their _actual_ links" before its release (underline by me). > > > Hmm, since we do get to see real rates in N4/N2002, > > perhaps they are modelling the links in the NASCAR > > products. > > > Regarding dynamic camber, I think they all do, but > > in different ways. I don't know how you could even > > come close to the right handling if you didn't. > > I suspect GPL uses some kind of a curve fit to alter > > the camber. For the EA/ISI model it would fall out > > as a natural consequence of the suspension kinematics. > > I wonder if we're talking about the same thing here... I meant do the

wheels > change camber as they move up and down, e.g. do the rear wheel getmore > positive camber when the car squats? -I'm pretty sure it was confirmedGPL > does not model this. > > Jan. > =--- > >

>"Hunklebert" <[email hidden]> wrote > Theres *only* one groove on a piece of vinyl Not my "Metal Machine Music" vinyl ;-) (Yeah I really own that Lou Reed album) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > Ugh, how can you stand those washed out colors? 'Cause it looks like real life? ;-) Really colour palette is important, Links has always looked like "what if Papyrus had made a Golf simulator?". The similarities are very much there. But while Microsoft is intelligent, Sierra is not. > And brakes that won't > lock more than 80 yards from the pin?!? I want a Golf cart sim! > I want a good lawnmower sim. Or > maybe "Walk In the Park 2002". The Sims? :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

From reading Steve Smith's GPL Strategy Guide, I assumed dynamic camber IS modeled. Steve refers to this several times when mentioning D. Arnao's setups, esp. pages 46 and 47. Steve? Jim Haqsau wrote:

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> Jan, > > I was basing what I said on things that I have read here and at various > web sites, but I know I can't prove any of it. So you might be right on > all points. It does seem a bit inconsistent though that GPL would model > actual links and yet not include dynamic camber. How can you have one > and not the other? And yes I'm pretty sure we are talking about the > same thing. Dynamic camber happens because of the links. If you model > the links correctly the tire should change camber correctly as it moves > up and down. The only way that it couldn't do that is if you were > treating it like a beam axle. > > Also with regards to the fixed roll centers, my assumption here is based > on the fact that GPL cars behave much like old swing axle cars. Even > Alison Hine has commented on this. High fixed roll centers would > explain this. That would also explain to some degree why most hot > setups have extremely stiff ARB's combined with soft springs and > dampers. IIRC that is exactly the opposite of the way people set their > cars up in the 60's. Stiff springs and dampers with little or nothing > in the way of ARB's was considered the hot setup for roadracing back > then IF you had proper suspension. Stiff ARB's were only used on swing > axle cars, because it was the only way to keep them from rolling over. > > Anyway it's all conjecture on my part, if you know that I am wrong then > so be it. ;o) > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HbCP8.37408$[email hidden]... > > > > "Haqsau" wrote... > > > They are shown graphically, but the general opinion > > > (not proof, admittedly) has been that GPL uses fixed > > > roll centers to model suspension movement. This > > > would also explain why they show wheel rates rather > > > than spring rates, because that is also part of the > > > simplified suspension model. > > > > I see... I just mentioned it because I seem to remember reading > something to > > the effect of "the cars in GPL are modelled as a collection of > seperate > > components (chassis, engine, wheels, etc..) which act upon eachother > along > > their _actual_ links" before its release (underline by me). > > > > > Hmm, since we do get to see real rates in N4/N2002, > > > perhaps they are modelling the links in the NASCAR > > > products. > > > > > Regarding dynamic camber, I think they all do, but > > > in different ways. I don't know how you could even > > > come close to the right handling if you didn't. > > > I suspect GPL uses some kind of a curve fit to alter > > > the camber. For the EA/ISI model it would fall out > > > as a natural consequence of the suspension kinematics. > > > > I wonder if we're talking about the same thing here... I meant do the > wheels > > change camber as they move up and down, e.g. do the rear wheel get > more > > positive camber when the car squats? -I'm pretty sure it was confirmed > GPL > > does not model this. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > >

Lots of reading (some rereading since months ago, so I was slow saying Thanks!!!!! --Plowboy or Sting32 if you see me online "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d0dc7e6$0$71647$[email hidden]...

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> Try either our beginners guides here: > http://www.racesimcentral.com/guides/gpl/beginner.shtml > > Or the "What to do" list at the top left of this page: > http://hotgrids.racesimcentral.com/ > > Mikkel > > > Plowboy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_N9P8.41730$[email hidden]... > > Hey, > > > > Im "Johny come back to GPL lately" and the part below I quote, but I

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> > find the "essentials" I see a sheet load of neat and new stuff but Im > like > > overwhelmed on what to get, what not to get!!! is there really an > > essentials list anyone could give me, as Im not in a big hurry to get > racks, > > but most of the stuff over time would be good. what is an idea about 16 > bit > > gfx, should I have it with my p3-800 with G-F 2? > > > > Man I wish papy would have leased the code used for WinVrock and > implemented > > similiar for thier online client... wow that thing is awesome,

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> > at leas one lap each race is that fast... > > > > thanks Jan, > > Plowboy > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sx5P8.35770$[email hidden]... > > > > > If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they > call > > > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun. > > > There's lots of life left in the old girl. > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > > > > > > > > > >

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<gdbP8.1125$[email hidden]>... > > > Us simmers must answer that the only good and realistic golf game isLinks

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> > ;-) > > Ugh, how can you stand those washed out colors? And brakes that won't > lock more than 80 yards from the pin?!? > > PGA2000 all the way. Well, not really. Computer golf is about as > interesting as computer landscaping. I want a good lawnmower sim. Or > maybe "Walk In the Park 2002". >

I wont Mistress 2002 with add-on friend!!! LOL Chris_K

[email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote on 18 Jun 2002: <snip> > I want a good lawnmower sim.<snip> No problem at all, Jason. Advanced Lawnmower Simulator awaits your command: http://www.unsatisfactory.freeserve.co.uk/als/info/info.html -- Cricket: England 2 Sri Lanka 0 Athletics: Gt Britain & NI European Cup winners Keep those flags up! The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

>Computer golf is about as > interesting as computer landscaping. Here we go again. Just because computer golf is not interesting to you doesn't mean it's not interesting to someone else. Some say GPL is the best racing simulator: some don't. Who is to argue. Might it not have been better to say, "computer golf is about as interesting" to me "as computer landscaping"? I enjoy computer golf. You find it dull. Some agree with you, while others agree with me. That's the way it goes. Alanb

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B5nW8.123456$Uu2.23395@sccrnsc03... > Here we go again. I find this very annoying, Alan. Why must you assume that anyone else agrees with you? Surely it would have been better to precede your post with "Here I go again" ? Can't stand golfing games myself. Malc.

"Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yOoW8.14435$xU5.937819@wards... > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:B5nW8.123456$Uu2.23395@sccrnsc03... > > > Here we go again. > > I find this very annoying, Alan. Why must you assume that anyone elseagrees > with you? Surely it would have been better to precede your post with "HereI > go again" ? > > Can't stand golfing games myself. > > Malc. >I said that anyone else should agree with me? I don't get what you mean. Concept-- easy to understand, people like different games. I like a game for particular reasons. You don't like the same game for particular reasons. Who is right? Both of us. Is that hard to understand? Alanb

On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:02:25 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here we go again. Just because computer golf is not interesting to you >doesn't mean it's not interesting to someone else. Some say GPL is the best >racing simulator: some don't. Who is to argue. Apparently you are, based on your 200 posts on the subject. =) FWIW, I was teasing Francois. I play PGA 2000 Titanium constantly. You're also responding to a post I made at least a month ago and taking it completely out of context of the thread. Personally, I like to reserve the phrase "here we go again" to something that is in the process of occurring or has recently occurred. In the context of replying to something that was said over one month ago, it seems strangely out of place. >Might it not have been better to say, "computer golf is about as >interesting" to me "as computer landscaping"? If I'm making a subjective statement, the average-to-intelligent person would assume that it was my opinion. If it weren't my opinion, why would I be offering it? Let me offer an example, to clarify the point further: Jason moyer said: > Modern Formula One circuits are shite. There are a few pieces of information you need to properly process this sentence: A. the statement itself B. the person making the statement In this particular example, variable A = "Modern Formula One circuits are shite." and variable B = "Jason Moyer" aka me aka the person making the subjective statement contained within variable A. The conclusion that can be logically drawn from this information is that variable B, "Jason Moyer" aka me aka the person making this statement, of sound mind and body hereby holds true the opinion of variable A, that is, "Modern Formula One circuits are shite." QED, Jason Moyer believes that modern formula one circuits are shite. Class, are we all together on this one? > Some agree with you, while others >agree with me. That's the way it goes. Welcome to planet earth. May I please see your passport? Jason

LOL! "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:02:25 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Here we go again. Just because computer golf is not interesting to you > >doesn't mean it's not interesting to someone else. Some say GPL is thebest

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> >racing simulator: some don't. Who is to argue. > > Apparently you are, based on your 200 posts on the subject. =) > > FWIW, I was teasing Francois. I play PGA 2000 Titanium constantly. > > You're also responding to a post I made at least a month ago and > taking it completely out of context of the thread. Personally, I like > to reserve the phrase "here we go again" to something that is in the > process of occurring or has recently occurred. In the context of > replying to something that was said over one month ago, it seems > strangely out of place. > > >Might it not have been better to say, "computer golf is about as > >interesting" to me "as computer landscaping"? > > If I'm making a subjective statement, the average-to-intelligent > person would assume that it was my opinion. If it weren't my opinion, > why would I be offering it? > > Let me offer an example, to clarify the point further: > > Jason moyer said: > > > Modern Formula One circuits are shite. > > There are a few pieces of information you need to properly process > this sentence: > > A. the statement itself > B. the person making the statement > > In this particular example, variable A = "Modern Formula One circuits > are shite." and variable B = "Jason Moyer" aka me aka the person > making the subjective statement contained within variable A. > > The conclusion that can be logically drawn from this information is > that variable B, "Jason Moyer" aka me aka the person making this > statement, of sound mind and body hereby holds true the opinion of > variable A, that is, "Modern Formula One circuits are shite." > > QED, Jason Moyer believes that modern formula one circuits are shite. > > Class, are we all together on this one? > > > Some agree with you, while others > >agree with me. That's the way it goes. > > Welcome to planet earth. May I please see your passport? > > Jason