WSC - give me facts!

I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has delivered. All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers, and all we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a track. It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so.. ok.. then i must think that too then? Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much did the game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different types of cars? how about sound?. And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do you know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it.. so come on.

"Andreas Nystr�m" wrote... > <snip> > Can we have some facts instead?, <snip> Apparently not... ;-( I think I've officially lost hope. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WvDP8.37483$[email hidden]... > I think I've officially lost hope. I 'lost hope' long ago, mild enthusiasm and borderline interest has died also, I now consider WSC to be firmly entrenched in the 'Nebulous Entity' catagory of software otherwise known as Vapourware. Alan.

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped to DX9 as we speak. Doug

WHY!!?!?!? Its already been delayed once for Voodoo glide to dx8 :( I dont care about it being DX9 or not, no card out yet supports it anyway. *sigh* It looks good enough anyway, even in Glide for me to want it, just the physics I care about.. i guess they have implented lots of new features since the first releasedate 2years back then. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aen6kq$838qs$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. > > However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped

to > DX9 as we speak. > > Doug > >

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RPFP8.12656$[email hidden]... > WHY!!?!?!? I hope to explain in a post later today. FOR GODS SAKE MAN HAVE SOME PATIENCE. Doug

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:38:27 +0000 (UTC), "Vennt" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:WvDP8.37483$[email hidden]... > >> I think I've officially lost hope. > >I 'lost hope' long ago, mild enthusiasm and borderline interest has died >also, I now consider WSC to be firmly entrenched in the 'Nebulous Entity' >catagory of software otherwise known as Vapourware.

Well the Wests are still actively working on it, that much I do know. On the other hand, time has progressed and F1-2002 seems a serious difficult target to beat, at present. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:42:28 +0100, Douglas Ellison <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RPFP8.12656$[email hidden]... >> WHY!!?!?!? > > I hope to explain in a post later today. >

Hi Doug, what time would that be? And time zone? To have some *real* news of WSC's current status would be great! Thanks in advance, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > delivered. > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers,and > all > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a track. > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so..ok.. > then i must > think that too then? > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much didthe

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> game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different > types of cars? > how about sound?. > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do you > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it.. so > come on. > >

Vaporware, with a capital V. John >

Vaporware, with a capital V. John

> I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. Well if people such as yourself would stop bringing it up then maybe people would forget about it.

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > delivered. > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers,and > all > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a track. > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so..ok.. > then i must > think that too then? > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much didthe

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> game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different > types of cars? > how about sound?. > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do you > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it.. so > come on. >

Forget about it, the thing is vaporware. It ain't never going to be released and was just one big joke intending to fool those who could be fooled. :) Alanb

Something to do with Empire the fact they dont like WSC as its to complex, and to small'a market (GPL), so wests are as far as i know trying to get Empire of there back with TIR, (which isnt WSC), hopefully then they can go solo again and develope and release WSC on there own, the delays have all occured due to publishing rights and signing the wrong the deal...I believe... From recent grapevine news I feel we will see WSC in its full glory, but not for a while, by which time DX9 will be the norm id imagine... As for why i feel WSC will be the be all and end all, we had the pleasure of Chris West at the LAN in Holland a year or so back, very interesting talking at length... David Andreas Nystr�m <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RPFP8.12656$[email hidden]...

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> WHY!!?!?!? > > Its already been delayed once for Voodoo glide to dx8 :( > I dont care about it being DX9 or not, no card out yet supports it anyway. > *sigh* > > It looks good enough anyway, even in Glide for me to want it, just the > physics > I care about.. i guess they have implented lots of new features since the > first releasedate 2years back then. > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aen6kq$838qs$[email hidden]... > > > > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > > > I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. > > > > However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being

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Those in the know know otherwise :) John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > > delivered. > > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers, > and > > all > > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a

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> > > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so.. > ok.. > > then i must > > think that too then? > > > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much did > the > > game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different > > types of cars? > > how about sound?. > > > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is > > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do

you > > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it..so

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> > come on. > > > > > > Vaporware, with a capital V. > > John > > > >

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. Right - basically what I wanted to say I cant say due to legal issues. Believe what you WANT - but WSC is alive and well. If you dont want to believe that - fine - but I'm sure you'll be first in line to get it when it's released Doug

"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:42:28 +0100, Douglas Ellison<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RPFP8.12656$[email hidden]... > >> WHY!!?!?!? > > > > I hope to explain in a post later today. > > > > Hi Doug, > > what time would that be? And time zone? To have some *real* > news of WSC's current status would be great!

As you can see you can see in my other post - unfortunately what I wanted to say I'm not allowed to. If that's vapourware - then it's VERY VERY strange vapourware Doug

"David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Those in the know know otherwise :) Tom knows! - David Cook From: Tom Pabst ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: 13 New World Sports Cars Screenies! Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Date: 2001-05-21 17:37:38 PST Guys....I was at E3 last year...and this year......and these are my candid remarks regarding the "speculation" on WSC and Empire and Chris and Tony and Derek Bell losing a race to me at Brands in a pair of 962's last week.......in an not-to-be-named hotel room with about 40 "spectators" jammed into the room: "No comment!" Tom Pabst

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> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:42:27 +0100, "David Powell" > <[email hidden]> bleeted: > > >Something to do with Empire the fact they dont like WSC as its to complex, > >and to small'a market (GPL), so wests are as far as i know trying to get > >Empire of there back with TIR, (which isnt WSC), hopefully then they can go > >solo again and develope and release WSC on there own, the delays have all > >occured due to publishing rights and signing the wrong the deal...I > >believe... > > I knew this would happen if they signed with Empire. Empire are only > concerened with making a quick buck and no company that wants to do a > simulation should sign with them. Just ask Rowan. > -- > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

The progress of this thread from here on is fairly predictable I'd say.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

With all due respect, been hearing that now for a few years :) John "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Those in the know know otherwise :) > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > > > > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > > > delivered. > > > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west

brothers, > > and > > > all > > > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a > track. > > > > > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west saysso.. > > ok.. > > > then i must > > > think that too then? > > > > > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how muchdid > > the > > > game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you testdifferent > > > types of cars? > > > how about sound?. > > > > > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSCis

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> > > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do > you > > > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > > > > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > > > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it.. > so > > > come on. > > > > > > > > > > Vaporware, with a capital V. > > > > John > > > > > > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > With all due respect, been hearing that now for a few years :) If it were vapour ware - would we not have been told from the horses mouth As it is - it's not that there's nothig to say - it's that nothing CAN be said. If it were vapour ware - that couldnot and would not be the case now would it? I'm looking forward to it. If you think it doesnt exist - I'll see you in the queue to buy it. Doug

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aenh2l$8l66j$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > Right - basically what I wanted to say I cant say due to legal issues. > > Believe what you WANT - but WSC is alive and well. If you dont want to > believe that - fine - but I'm sure you'll be first in line to get it when > it's released

Define "Alive & Well" - While I don't doubt Chris & Tony are still working on their magnum opus my fears are that it is in "Development Hell" - a constant battle to both finish the sim *and* keep it inline with current/future tech - usually a sign that the title will never see light of day or live up to expectations. Also what is the status of the relationship with Empire?, how does that relationship, or conversely a lack of relationship affect licensing issues, which are usually 'taken care of' by the publisher (i.e. paid for), how has licensing with TIR affected WSC? All rhetorical questions, BTW, but they make my point, while the Wests may be continuing to develop that is not the be-all and end-all of game production, their 'forced' lack of communication only leaves doubts & questions in those that were (are?) interested in WSC's fate. Alan.

In answer to your questions, not necessarily, not at all. Been through the "hush, hush, can't talk about it" routine before........more than once, and each time with the same results...........swamp gas :) John "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aennuq$8laq2$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > With all due respect, been hearing that now for a few years :) > > If it were vapour ware - would we not have been told from the horses mouth > > As it is - it's not that there's nothig to say - it's that nothing CAN be > said. > > If it were vapour ware - that couldnot and would not be the case now would > it? > > I'm looking forward to it. If you think it doesnt exist - I'll see you in > the queue to buy it. > > > Doug > >

http://nrsp.m4driving.sm/nrsp/wsc/screenshots/wsc_17.jpg Car-editing picture from WSC. Notice all physics-options. Seems to be the same as F1 2001 / 2002 to me?. "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > delivered. > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers,and > all > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a track. > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so..ok.. > then i must > think that too then? > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much didthe

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> game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different > types of cars? > how about sound?. > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do you > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it.. so > come on. > > >

No wonder it'll never get released. It keeps getting updated to OTHER companies vaporware :) -Larry "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aen6kq$838qs$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. > > However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped

to > DX9 as we speak. > > Doug > >

Hehe :) I think this is the wrong thread to utilize the word "Patience" in :) -Larry "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aen9rk$8bh8j$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RPFP8.12656$[email hidden]... > > WHY!!?!?!? > > I hope to explain in a post later today. > > FOR GODS SAKE MAN HAVE SOME PATIENCE. > > Doug > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In answer to your questions, not necessarily, not at all. Been through > the "hush, hush, can't talk about it" routine before........more thanonce, > and each time with the same results...........swamp gas :) I'm not too worried about naked flames. Doug

Everyone, QUICK! Grab a copy before Empire erases it's existance! -Larry "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nKKP8.43980$[email hidden]...

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> http://nrsp.m4driving.sm/nrsp/wsc/screenshots/wsc_17.jpg > > Car-editing picture from WSC. Notice all physics-options. Seems to be the > same > as F1 2001 / 2002 to me?. > > > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > > > This is one of the few games that have promised LOT more then it has > > delivered. > > All what we know about the game is just pr-talk from the west brothers, > and > > all > > we have seen is a rolling demo of some sportscars running around a

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> > > > It will be the best carsimulation ever... why? cause the west says so.. > ok.. > > then i must > > think that too then? > > > > Can we have some facts instead?, who has tested this game? how much did > the > > game really delivered then? how about physics?.. did you test different > > types of cars? > > how about sound?. > > > > And they complain about the physicsmodel in other games, and say "WSC is > > much better then that game on tires, suspension, aero" ok.. but how do

you > > know that? "cause i talked to West about it" ok.. > > > > valid point there. So therefore, i ask everyone here who have actually > > tested the product to make a review of it. I know some guy tested it..so > > come on. > > > > > > > >

Is that a fishing rod in your hand by any chance Doug :-) MS > As you can see you can see in my other post - unfortunately what I wantedto

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> say I'm not allowed to. > > If that's vapourware - then it's VERY VERY strange vapourware > > Doug > >

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hehe :) I think this is the wrong thread to utilize the word "Patience"in > :) Yes yes, WSC and the word "patience" in the same sentence sends this newsgroup towards the apocalypse each time... we're near it, I can sense it ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Everyone, QUICK! Grab a copy before Empire erases it's existance! That picture is 2+ years old! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" wrote... > > > Yes yes, WSC and the word "patience" in the same sentence > sends this newsgroup towards the apocalypse each time... > we're near it, I can sense it ;-) Time for people to repent and accept GPL as the one and only god? Jan. ;-) =---

"Nigel Nichols" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aeoeo6$a1l$[email hidden]... > Just imagine what would happen here if it was finally released and itturned > out to be another arcader pile of doo doo with crappy physics etc. > And a horrible frame rate on a 2gig CPU with tripple Gforce 10 500 megvideo > cards. > > I wonder if that is the real delay. They can't get it to run well ontodays > CPU's etc The screenies from the '99 timeframe ran on P3 550's with Voodoo 3's and 4's as far as I know. And ran well on that spec to. Doug

Like I said, Quick! Grab it! LOL :) -Larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%MOP8.3370$[email hidden]...

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> >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Everyone, QUICK! Grab a copy before Empire erases it's existance! > > > That picture is 2+ years old! > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Nigel Nichols wrote: > > Just imagine what would happen here if it was finally released and it turned > out to be another arcader pile of doo doo with crappy physics etc. > And a horrible frame rate on a 2gig CPU with tripple Gforce 10 500 meg video > cards. The GP3/4 boys would love it! <G> Gerry

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> "Nigel Nichols" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aeoeo6$a1l$[email hidden]... > > Just imagine what would happen here if it was finally released and it > turned > > out to be another arcader pile of doo doo with crappy physics etc. > > And a horrible frame rate on a 2gig CPU with tripple Gforce 10 500 meg > video > > cards. > > > > I wonder if that is the real delay. They can't get it to run well on > todays > > CPU's etc > > The screenies from the '99 timeframe ran on P3 550's with Voodoo 3's and 4's > as far as I know. > > And ran well on that spec to.

I think the main phrase in this post is "'99 timeframe". If it ran well at that time, what made it take more than 3 years to finish? -- -asbjxrn

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>"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... >> I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > >I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. > >However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped to >DX9 as we speak.

DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run... What's wrong with DX8.1? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <aen6kq$838qs$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > >> I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > > >I'm hoping to make a full post with as much as I know later today. > > > >However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped to > >DX9 as we speak. > > DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run... What's wrong > with DX8.1?

right on! evolution sucks! -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 FJ�SE!

David... That "post" was a tongue-in-cheek joke.....germane to the string it was in well over a year ago. I did meet with both Chris and Tony at E3...and I did see WSC running on a system they had setup. That's all. I also met with them on and off for almost a week......in London around the middle of June-2001 (a year ago). I obviously can not reveal publicly the details of those meetings as it would be completely unfair to Chris and Tony to do so. And, "yes"....I would like to.....it would add a lot of useful "clarification" of things for this string and many others related to WSC over the past several months (year). But I will not. I can tell you my personal opinion and thoughts about the nature and character of Chris and Tony West....and their project commitment. I immediately liked both of them from the first day I met them. They were full of enthusiasm and are hard working people. They are dedicated to their WSC project.....I have no doubts whatsoever about that....it is there "baby" and they will see it through to completion. They are also two very talented and creative people.....and an absolute blast to hang out with (which we did for a day up at Silverstone for an F1 test day). At their core....they are die-hard racing fans and both good sim racers too. I also think both of them are very honest, sincere and straightforward shooters.....I would trust them with anything. This is only my personal views on Chris and Tony.....for whatever that's worth to some of you. Regards, Tom "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aenhs3$k08$[email hidden]...

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> "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Those in the know know otherwise :) > > Tom knows! > > - David Cook > > From: Tom Pabst ([email hidden]) > Subject: Re: 13 New World Sports Cars Screenies! > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > Date: 2001-05-21 17:37:38 PST > > Guys....I was at E3 last year...and this year......and these are my candid > remarks regarding the "speculation" on WSC and Empire and Chris and Tony

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> Derek Bell losing a race to me at Brands in a pair of 962's last > week.......in an not-to-be-named hotel room with about 40 "spectators" > jammed into the room: > > "No comment!" > > Tom Pabst > > >

Yes. i guess Empire are the evil ones :( I mean, the only thing they care about seems to be Virtua Tennis, Sega Rally2, and Segas "Crazy taxi" for PC :( where is the world going?. I love the video of WSC where the car drives around the testtrack, and you can see how well the suspension-model works!. Im so impressed by it. It seems like the car really have some wheight!. I wonder if that "track" will be left in the retail?, i hope so :) I will probably not get a DX9 card until about 2years. Still im waiting for SCGT2 also.. :) "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Something to do with Empire the fact they dont like WSC as its to complex, > and to small'a market (GPL), so wests are as far as i know trying to get > Empire of there back with TIR, (which isnt WSC), hopefully then they cango > solo again and develope and release WSC on there own, the delays have all > occured due to publishing rights and signing the wrong the deal...I > believe... > > From recent grapevine news I feel we will see WSC in its full glory, butnot > for a while, by which time DX9 will be the norm id imagine... > > As for why i feel WSC will be the be all and end all, we had the pleasureof > Chris West at the LAN in Holland a year or so back, very interestingtalking > at length... > > David >

Yes, im still waiting for the game. I will get it first of all, if it gets released!. It has the cars that i really care about, the old Sportscars from the 80ies and 90ies. I couldnt care less about Audi R8s etc. Not to mention that its suspension seems to work really good too. Its just that you get tired of hearing "legal reasons" all the time. :) I hope some simdevelopers goes to some rich guy that only cares about racingcars, like Panoz.. maybe west could ask him for some money to get the best sportscar simulation out? :) "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aenh2l$8l66j$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lrDP8.43918$[email hidden]... > > I cant belelive how all people go talking about WSC all the time. > > Right - basically what I wanted to say I cant say due to legal issues. > > Believe what you WANT - but WSC is alive and well. If you dont want to > believe that - fine - but I'm sure you'll be first in line to get it when > it's released > > Doug > > >

> I think the main phrase in this post is "'99 timeframe". > If it ran well at that time, what made it take more than 3 years tofinish? > -- > -asbjxrn rtfm

"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eR2Q8.44069$[email hidden]... > where is the world going?. I love the video of WSC where the car drives > around the testtrack, and you can see > how well the suspension-model works!. Im so impressed by it. It seemslike > the car really have some wheight!. > > I wonder if that "track" will be left in the retail?, i hope so :) That "track" was Brands Hatch (although an early version). I too was very impressed by the suspension model. I am not too impressed by your blatant disregard for one of my favourite tracks in the world ('testtrack' indeed :-).

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run... What'swrong > with DX8.1? It didn't crash often enough for Microsoft's liking...

Just imagine what would happen here if it was finally released and it turned out to be another arcader pile of doo doo with crappy physics etc. And a horrible frame rate on a 2gig CPU with tripple Gforce 10 500 meg video cards. I wonder if that is the real delay. They can't get it to run well on todays CPU's etc Nigel(Ducking for cover behind my Eagle in GPL, best sim since WSC dreamware from twilight zone) Cya --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02

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> > >> I think the main phrase in this post is "'99 timeframe". >> If it ran well at that time, what made it take more than 3 years to >finish? >> -- >> -asbjxrn > >rtfm

My copy of WSC didn't come with a manual :-/ Andre

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> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:54:11 +0100, "Ian Wright" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> I think the main phrase in this post is "'99 timeframe". > >> If it ran well at that time, what made it take more than 3 years to > >finish? > >> -- > >> -asbjxrn > > > >rtfm > > My copy of WSC didn't come with a manual :-/ > > Andre > >

You damn dirty warez monkey! ;) MRSisson P.S. I lost my WSC CD case and need a key. Anyone wanna hook me up? :) -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

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> > I think the main phrase in this post is "'99 timeframe". > > If it ran well at that time, what made it take more than 3 years to > finish? > > -- > > -asbjxrn > > rtfm

They can't legally release the game yet, but they've printed a manual? =) Jason

Just because something is written to use DX9 dosnt mean you have to have a DX9 card, DX9 is a progression from DX8. It just makes sense to code for the latest version as each version of DX is optimised over the previous. "AlvinKlein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run... What'swrong > >with DX8.1? > > > >Eldred > > There will be exactly two Dx9 video card out late this year, or only oneif > the NV30 is delayed til next year. Both with be super expensive so willbe in > very few computers. Such a small audience doesn't sound good for game > sales. > > Feature-creep or lame excuse, you decide... > >

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> >very few computers. Such a small audience doesn't sound good for game > >sales. > > > >Feature-creep or lame excuse, you decide... > > > > I doubt you will need a DX9 video card to play a game with DX9 > features. it just means there will be extra graphical features on > cards that support DX9 features. Like Morrowind has support for pixel > shafers and the water effects are fantastic with a card that supports > pixel shaders, but that doesn't mean you can't play it on a card that > doesn't support pixel shaders. > > -- > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

Yeah thats absolutely right, you'll not need a "DX9" card to run DX9 - in the same way you dont need a DX8 card to run DX8. It has just extra features whicih should be exploited if people have the cards. All the best, Ash

In article <OlaQ8.3120$[email hidden]>, "Carol Bekker" <[email hidden]> writes: >Just because something is written to use DX9 dosnt mean you have to have a >DX9 card, DX9 is a progression from DX8. It just makes sense to code for the >latest version as each version of DX is optimised over the previous. It drops the pool of cards that *will* run on it, though. Granted, it's inevitable that supported vid cards get dropped all the time. The Voodoo 3 won't run dx8.1, will it? It seems I remember some V3 owners getting left behind on either N2k2 or F1 2001... It happens, but it doesn't mean people have to be HAPPY about it... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> >However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and being upped >to >> >DX9 as we speak. >> >> DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run... What's >wrong >> with DX8.1? > >right on! evolution sucks!

Yes it does, if I have to buy a new computer/video card every year. I can't afford to upgrade right now, so I'll have to start letting these games pass me by. Of course by the time WSC comes out in 2005, I might be able to afford a new system for it... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Nick" wrote... > <snip> > That "track" was Brands Hatch (although an early version). > I too was very impressed by the suspension model. I am not > too impressed by your blatant disregard for one of my > favourite tracks in the world ('testtrack' indeed :-). He's talking 'bout an earlier video with featuring a track actually designed to test suspension, featuring a washboard, a speed bump and a couple raised strips. Quite impressive to see the car (no bodywork) "working" over those. Jan. =---

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <OlaQ8.3120$[email hidden]>, "CarolBekker" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Just because something is written to use DX9 dosnt mean you have to havea > >DX9 card, DX9 is a progression from DX8. It just makes sense to code forthe > >latest version as each version of DX is optimised over the previous. > > It drops the pool of cards that *will* run on it, though. Granted, it's > inevitable that supported vid cards get dropped all the time. The Voodoo3 > won't run dx8.1, will it? It seems I remember some V3 owners getting left > behind on either N2k2 or F1 2001... > It happens, but it doesn't mean people have to be HAPPY about it... :-( > > Eldred The V3 has DX8.1 drivers, but the 16 megs of onboard video memory is/are too small for many of the large textures programmers are using today....same result tho....the V3 is having a tougher time finding new programs that still work with it. dave henrie

That's why man created Credit Cards :) If we could only un-invent the monthly payment system :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> >However - be assued that WSC is VERY MUCH alive and well, and beingupped > >to > >> >DX9 as we speak. > >> > >> DX9?!? Great, more shit that some of us won't be able to run...What's > >wrong > >> with DX8.1? > > > >right on! evolution sucks! > > Yes it does, if I have to buy a new computer/video card every year. Ican't > afford to upgrade right now, so I'll have to start letting these gamespass me > by. Of course by the time WSC comes out in 2005, I might be able toafford a > new system for it... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>That's why man created Credit Cards :) > >If we could only un-invent the monthly payment system :) > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Yes it does, if I have to buy a new computer/video card every year. I >can't >> afford to upgrade right now, so I'll have to start letting these games >pass me >> by. Of course by the time WSC comes out in 2005, I might be able to >afford a >> new system for it... >>

Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too easy to spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

<snip> > Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it tooeasy to > spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( > > Eldred<snip> Aha! You need yet another credit card, then <g> Jon Andersen

<snip> <snip> Aha! You need yet another credit card, then <g> Jon Andersen

Hehe. Haven't we all, Eldred :) I had a $250,000 spine operation in 1994 (well, several, actually) and I _still_ haven't recovered from the deductables, the "We pay the going rate, you pay the difference" letters from the Insurance company, and lost work time. I'm going to be paying off "Living Expenses" for the next 10 years... Oh, well. That's life :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <qtIQ8.61466$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >That's why man created Credit Cards :) > > > >If we could only un-invent the monthly payment system :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> > >> Yes it does, if I have to buy a new computer/video card every year. I > >can't > >> afford to upgrade right now, so I'll have to start letting these games > >pass me > >> by. Of course by the time WSC comes out in 2005, I might be able to > >afford a > >> new system for it... > >> > > Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too

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> spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI > 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, > VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact

Officer > Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You know, it seems that the fuller they get, the more new one's that come in the mail! I only have two now. All the rest are paid off and destroyed, and I don't even open the 'offers' that come in the mail. They go right to the shredder. -Larry "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8_3W8.8265$[email hidden]...

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> <snip> > > Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too > easy to > > spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( > > > > Eldred > <snip> > > Aha! You need yet another credit card, then <g> > > Jon Andersen >

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><snip> >> Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too >easy to >> spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( >> >> Eldred ><snip> > >Aha! You need yet another credit card, then <g> >

Hehe... I just got a call from Citibank offering me another one. I should have told the guy "get bent"...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Citibank hits on me about 7 times a month. Not nearly as bad as Community Bank, who wants my mortgage. I get no less than 12-15 solicitations a month from them. It's borderline comical. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8_3W8.8265$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > ><snip> > >> Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too > >easy to > >> spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( > >> > >> Eldred > ><snip> > > > >Aha! You need yet another credit card, then <g> > > > > Hehe... I just got a call from Citibank offering me another one. I

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> have told the guy "get bent"...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, that's not life, that's obscene. The great irony is the extra hours of work you will have to put in to pay for said operation will financially cripple you, probably give you a back injury from stress, over-stretching or other over work and destroy the life that you would have had. Chris "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eIhW8.36235$%%[email hidden]... > Hehe. Haven't we all, Eldred :) > > I had a $250,000 spine operation in 1994 (well, several, actually) and I > _still_ haven't recovered from the deductables, the "We pay the goingrate, > you pay the difference" letters from the Insurance company, and lost work > time. I'm going to be paying off "Living Expenses" for the next 10years...

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> > Oh, well. That's life :) > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <qtIQ8.61466$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >That's why man created Credit Cards :) > > > > > >If we could only un-invent the monthly payment system :) > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > > > >> > > >> Yes it does, if I have to buy a new computer/video card every year.

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> > >pass me > > >> by. Of course by the time WSC comes out in 2005, I might be able to > > >afford a > > >> new system for it... > > >> > > > > Credit cards are the reason I don't have any money NOW. It made it too > easy to > > spend money I didn't *have* on stupid shit I didn't NEED... :-( > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI > > 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, > > VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact > Officer > > Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <KFCW8.41390$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Citibank hits on me about 7 times a month. > >Not nearly as bad as Community Bank, who wants my mortgage. I get no less >than 12-15 solicitations a month from them. It's borderline comical. I may let a few 4-letter words fly next time. Maybe *that* will get me off their damn lists... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <KFCW8.41390$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>Citibank hits on me about 7 times a month. >> >>Not nearly as bad as Community Bank, who wants my mortgage. I get no less >>than 12-15 solicitations a month from them. It's borderline comical. > > > I may let a few 4-letter words fly next time. Maybe *that* will get me off > their damn lists...

Wanna hit them where they really live? Take their postage paid reply envelope & stuff it with old newspaper etc. & mail it back to them. May help get the message across. Or at least, *you'll* feel better. <g> -- Fester

I've thought of that :) -Larry "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> EldredP wrote: > > In article <KFCW8.41390$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > >>Citibank hits on me about 7 times a month. > >> > >>Not nearly as bad as Community Bank, who wants my mortgage. I get no

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> > their damn lists... > > > Wanna hit them where they really live? Take their postage paid reply > envelope & stuff it with old newspaper etc. & mail it back to them. May > help get the message across. Or at least, *you'll* feel better. <g> > > -- > > Fester >

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >Wanna hit them where they really live? Take their postage paid reply >envelope & stuff it with old newspaper etc. & mail it back to them. May >help get the message across. Or at least, *you'll* feel better. <g> I *just* mentioned that to a friend about an hour before I read this. I told her if *everyone* did this, maybe they'd get the message...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Tie it round a brick, more like... /mm <snip>

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> Wanna hit them where they really live? Take their postage paid reply > envelope & stuff it with old newspaper etc. & mail it back to them. May > help get the message across. Or at least, *you'll* feel better. <g> > > -- > > Fester >