Interesting to see the WSC thread earlier. I posted on the relevant
forum at RSC earlier today, but for those of you who missed it there
were three main points:
1) Several people (eg Douglas Ellison in the thread here) have said
things along the lines of "I'd like to say something, but for legal
reasons I can't". While even this much is better than the total
silence we often get, we need more. Someone, somewhere, *must* have
the right to talk, and that person or entity ought to get on with it
- if the legalities are this difficult will we ever see the finished
product?
2) It might have been better not to have made any official or semi-
official announcement of WSC at all. If it had remained a rumour,
even a strong one, then we'd have had less cause to complain if it
never appeared: as it is, we feel desperately cheated.
3) Who's to say WSC is going to have the sportscar market to itself
for ever? Let's say it comes out in 2005 - by then sportscar racing
might have become wildly popular on PC, in the same way that rallying
has done, and there could be good sportscar games from (let's say) EA
and Sierra. If that happens, who needs WSC? They can't afford to stay
bogged down in legal argument forever, or events will overtake them
and they'll simply be an irrelevance.
I also suggested (tongue more-or-less in cheek) two ways for us
outsiders to proceed:
1) Wait for Racer to be so good that we can use that instead;
2) Inflame the current WSC-related legal arguments so's it ends up in
court. When it's a judge asking the questions, you either answer or
you get banged up for contempt ;-)
PS: No, we are not going to stop complaining. You've brought it on
yourselves. If and when WSC is released, and if it's as good as has
been promised, we'll all be guzzling down our words - tell then, we
reserve our rights to whinge.
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>"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Let's say it comes out in 2005 -
LOL "two thousand and five".
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> > <snip>
> LOL "two thousand and five".
That's optimistic, the Wests themselves said 2070...
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote on 18 Jun 2002:
>>"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> Let's say it comes out in 2005 -
>
> LOL "two thousand and five".
Yeah, well - there's a spirit of optimism in England at the moment -
anything seems possible, though I admit I might be pushing it a
little bit here :-)
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"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Interesting to see the WSC thread earlier. I posted on the relevant
> forum at RSC earlier today, but for those of you who missed it there
> were three main points:
>
>Someone, somewhere, *must* have the right to talk,
Indeed. But unfortunately - that person/company doesnt want to talk. If you
cant figure out who and why - then you probably dont know enough about the
situation to comment.
> 2) It might have been better not to have made any official or semi-
> official announcement of WSC at all.
I know two people who'd agree with that. But who could have forseen the
difficulties ahead.
> 3) Who's to say WSC is going to have the sportscar market to itself
> for ever?
It doesnt need it. Its not a title aimed for sporscars - it's a title aimed
at ANY cars.
> I also suggested (tongue more-or-less in cheek) two ways for us
> outsiders to proceed:
>
> 1) Wait for Racer to be so good that we can use that instead;
Or F12k2 with all the pending mods :D
Doug
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:35:12 +0100, "Douglas Ellison"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]......
>> I also suggested (tongue more-or-less in cheek) two ways for us
>> outsiders to proceed:
>>
>> 1) Wait for Racer to be so good that we can use that instead;
>
>Or F12k2 with all the pending mods :D
I still vote for #1. ;-)
Ruud van Gaal
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> England 3 Denmark 0! Also Yyyyeeeessssss! :-D
Noooooooo... I'm sure that game was part of an evil conspiracy ! ;)
Mikkel
Noooooooo... I'm sure that game was part of an evil *** ! ;)
Mikkel
"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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lol
SO who'd modding the GPL Castle Combe into Racer then... hands up :D
Doug
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> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:35:12 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > ... > >> I also suggested (tongue more-or-less in cheek) two ways for us > >> outsiders to proceed: > >> > >> 1) Wait for Racer to be so good that we can use that instead; > > > >Or F12k2 with all the pending mods :D > > I still vote for #1. ;-)"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote on 19 Jun
2002:
>>Someone, somewhere, *must* have the right to talk,
>
> Indeed. But unfortunately - that person/company doesnt want to
> talk. If you cant figure out who and why - then you probably dont
> know enough about the situation to comment.
You're right - I don't know much, or indeed anything, about the
situation, and I ought to thank you now for at least saying
*something* here - as I've said before, even "sorry, but for whatever
reason there can't be anything more made public now" is better than
the complete silence there's been recently.
However, I utterly reject the notion that because I don't know what's
going on that gives me no right to discuss the matter. If we followed
that logic, no-one would ever discuss what politicians were doing :-)
>> 3) Who's to say WSC is going to have the sportscar market to
>> itself for ever?
>
> It doesnt need it. Its not a title aimed for sporscars - it's a
> title aimed at ANY cars.
Which suggests that the title "World Sports Cars" might not be the
one on the box when it's actually released...
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I'm not saying you dont know so dont talk about it.. BUT - it is unfair to
demand information when those who'd LOVE to give you information are not
allowed to - and those who dont want to give you information aint shifting.
Fundamentally - in terms of information - the situation sucks.
Relax - it's all good :D
Doug
"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote on 19 Jun
2002:
> I'm not saying you dont know so dont talk about it.. BUT - it is
> unfair to demand information when those who'd LOVE to give you
> information are not allowed to - and those who dont want to give
> you information aint shifting.
Okay, that seems fair (what *you* said, not what *they're* doing!) -
I really am trying to avoid the "you *MUST* tell us what's going on"
stuff, because it's unfair and I understand it ain't gonna produce
any results. There is just the tiniest chance, though (let's say
0.00000000001%) that whoever can but doesn't want to might be
influenced by what the waiting crowds are saying.
Oh, all right, 0.00000000001% is ludicrously optimistic, but hey -
we're an optimistic nation in England right now ;-)
> Fundamentally - in terms of information - the situation sucks.
Agreed. It's atrocious PR by "them who know". Maybe it's a subtle
filtering device - by this time all the people who like arcade games
have been filtered out, so that when WSC is released all that's left
are the hardcore fans...
> Relax - it's all good :D
>
> Doug
I'll take your word for it.
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:22:11 GMT, Ruud van Gaal <[email hidden]> wrote:
Me too, but the waiting gets a bit long either way. Now if
Racer was "true" open source, this might be different ;-)
Allison said it, and I'll say it again: if half of the mod / sim
community would put in six months worth of effort into Racer,
there would be no need for WSC.
I'd like to see WSC, make no mistake, but Racer has become so
good recently that Ruud (or we, if it was "open source" ;-) is
not too far away from achieving deity status amongst us mere
mortals. ;-)
Uwe
PS: And still, he would be able to make money from it. And
everyone else who feels like improving it.
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