New Logi Wheel G25

Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. ---------- For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for $299. Credit: Business Wire http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news ----------- Mitch

Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system with a push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to slow down or accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will be compatible with newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2.

Mitch wrote: > Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system with a > push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to slow down or > accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will be compatible with > newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit and can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi shifters to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking integral to the wheel unit. Cheers Tony

Should be compatible with the latest version of Larry's cupboard! Mitch wrote:

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> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks > interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. > > ---------- > For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The > system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback > motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech says > the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting indoor > drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with walls or > other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for $299. > Credit: Business Wire > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news > ----------- > > Mitch > >

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> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks > interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. > > ---------- > For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The > system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback > motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech > says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting > indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with > walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for > $299. > Credit: Business Wire > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news > ----------- > > Mitch >

And I just ordered loads of Frex stuff lol !!

Hello Tony I can't seem to locate anymore information on the unit..... <darn> but looking at the pictures -- "it appears" that the shift is a remote unit. When you look at the pic of the wheel it seems that you can see the whole "base" for the wheel and there is no "attached" shifter. I HOPE it is a separate piece... can't wait to get one!! ==--== "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r058g.66842$[email hidden]...

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> Mitch wrote: >> Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system with a >> push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to slow down or >> accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will be compatible with >> newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. > > Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg > > Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit and > can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi shifters > to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking integral to the > wheel unit. > > Cheers > Tony >

I hope seperate with an attach point on the wheel for Larry ;) Mitch "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r058g.66842$[email hidden]...

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> Mitch wrote: >> Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system with a >> push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to slow down or >> accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will be compatible with >> newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. > > Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg > > Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit and > can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi shifters > to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking integral to the > wheel unit. > > Cheers > Tony >

Ok - here is some more info! Separate shifter AND a CLUTCH pedal !!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/news/US/EN,contentid=12020,crid=34 ==--== "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NM68g.24464$[email hidden]...

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>I hope seperate with an attach point on the wheel for Larry ;) > > Mitch > > "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:r058g.66842$[email hidden]... >> Mitch wrote: >>> Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system with >>> a push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to slow down >>> or accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will be compatible >>> with newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. >> >> Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. >> >> http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg >> >> Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit and >> can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi shifters >> to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking integral to the >> wheel unit. >> >> Cheers >> Tony >> > >

> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks > interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm wrong though.

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> > "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FM38g.68554$[email hidden]... >> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks >> interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. >> >> ---------- >> For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The >> system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback >> motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech >> says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting >> indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with >> walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October >> for $299. >> Credit: Business Wire >> >> http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news >> ----------- >> >> Mitch >> > > And I just ordered loads of Frex stuff lol !! >

Any of it for a MSFF wheel by chance?

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>>Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks >>interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. > > > I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic stuff > that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm wrong though. > >

All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo red.

> All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: > > http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm > > Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo red. The red momo is no longer for sale. The pots in the Momo Racing & Driving Force Pro wear out fairly quickly and nobody sells replacements.

> All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: Also, have you had a look at the mounts for the pots in their new pedals? They are made of the flimsiest plastic imaginable.

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>>All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: > > > Also, have you had a look at the mounts for the pots in their new pedals? > They are made of the flimsiest plastic imaginable. > >

I don't use logi pedals with my logi wheel. I use redlines.

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>>All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: >> >>http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm >> >>Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo red. > > > The red momo is no longer for sale. The pots in the Momo Racing & Driving > Force Pro wear out fairly quickly and nobody sells replacements. > >

Rubbish, pot quality is a different issue altogether. Anyway, look hard enough and you'll find the pot you need.

> The red momo is no longer for sale. The pots in the Momo Racing & Driving > Force Pro wear out fairly quickly and nobody sells replacements. > Nobody? www.digikey.com sells the originals as repair kits. For better quality, one must look elsewhere, but they are hard to find with right values as they are custom made for Logitech by the company that makes potentiometers. -- Mika Takala

"muffled titter" wrote... >> <snip> > Rubbish, pot quality is a different issue altogether. Anyway, look > hard enough and you'll find the pot you need. No you won't, not the steering one anyway. Jan. =---

"muffled titter" wrote... > All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: ><link snipped> Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo > red. I'm no Volker Hackmann, but I don't think I was that hard on it, wanna hear my list of breakdowns? - paddle switches: 3 sets - steering pots: 2 (used to be available through Digikey) - clamp bolts/nuts: 2 sets - pedal/usb wiring replaced due to bad contacts developing in DSUB25 connector. - power supply main smoothing capacitor (twice) - steering shaft sheared off completely at 2004 ESCORS LAN Now shelved due to excessive play in force feedback mechanism and pedal hinges. And, yes, despite this experience with their flagship model, I shelled out another 112,- Euro with them for a DFP(*), because the BRD Speed7 FF is still not ready! Jan. =--- (*): through an extra-ordinary amount of settings fiddling it now gives pretty decent feedback, but is still not as crisp as the MOMO was when new. The plastic construction flexes and is simply completely inadequate with regard to the amount of force it can develop. And the ergonomics of the paddles and buttons are shocking....

"Steve Simpson" wrote... >> <snip>> > I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic > stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm > wrong though. Logitech could produce excellent wheels, if they were prepared to up their price point in favour of build quality and provided after sales support. This thing costs red MOMO money and looks like it'll last just as long, which, in my experience, is just over 3 years if one's able to mend the minor faults oneself. Jan. =---

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> "muffled titter" wrote... > >>All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: >><link snipped> Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo >>red. > > > I'm no Volker Hackmann, but I don't think I was that hard on it, wanna hear > my list of breakdowns? > > - paddle switches: 3 sets > - steering pots: 2 (used to be available through Digikey) > - clamp bolts/nuts: 2 sets > - pedal/usb wiring replaced due to bad contacts developing in DSUB25 > connector. > - power supply main smoothing capacitor (twice) > - steering shaft sheared off completely at 2004 ESCORS LAN > > Now shelved due to excessive play in force feedback mechanism and pedal > hinges. > > And, yes, despite this experience with their flagship model, I shelled out > another 112,- Euro with them for a DFP(*), because the BRD Speed7 FF is > still not ready! > > Jan. > =--- > (*): through an extra-ordinary amount of settings fiddling it now gives > pretty decent feedback, but is still not as crisp as the MOMO was when new. > The plastic construction flexes and is simply completely inadequate with > regard to the amount of force it can develop. And the ergonomics of the > paddles and buttons are shocking.... > >

Here's my list of breakages: 1. none in three years!

"muffled titter" wrote... >> <snip> > Here's my list of breakages: > > 1. none in three years! How many hours a week do you use it? Jan. =---

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> "muffled titter" wrote... >>> <snip> >> Here's my list of breakages: >> >> 1. none in three years! > > How many hours a week do you use it? > > Jan. > =--- > >

You made me chuckle Jan ... especially the ESCORS breakage ! Some people are just 'hard on the machinery' .. LOL! jv

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> "Steve Simpson" wrote... >>> <snip>> >> I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic >> stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm >> wrong though. > > Logitech could produce excellent wheels, if they were prepared to up their > price point in favour of build quality and provided after sales support. > > This thing costs red MOMO money and looks like it'll last just as long, > which, in my experience, is just over 3 years if one's able to mend the > minor faults oneself. > > Jan. > =--- > >

I absolutely agree with the concept that there is no middle market ff racing wheel/gear combo with a life cycle beyond three years , with the kind of use Jan refers to ... If ECCI made force feedback wheels and were completely mad enough to go 'down market' by pricing it suicidally low .. Then we'd be in luck , because those guys make the nearest thing to a car wheel that I've seen ... or a bus wheel for that matter ... All these ff wheels are 'tiny' compared even to the small mini steering wheel we all used back in the sixties... I suppose you could argue that NASCAR wheels are a breed apart though :-) jv

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> "muffled titter" wrote... > >>><snip> >> >>Here's my list of breakages: >> >>1. none in three years! > > > How many hours a week do you use it? > > Jan. > =--- > >

14-15

Vaporware until October :( Looks nice though! -Larry "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FM38g.68554$[email hidden]...

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> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks > interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. > > ---------- > For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The > system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback > motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech > says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting > indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with > walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for > $299. > Credit: Business Wire > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news > ----------- > > Mitch >

I'm starting to get the slop/play in the wheel now myself. I don't really want to buy another Black Momo, but the Thrusty Rallye GT is still vaporware in the US, and the new Logitech isn't out until at least October. That's why I inquired about upgrade/overhaul kits earlier this week. -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vZi8g.417109$[email hidden]...

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> "muffled titter" wrote... >> All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: >><link snipped> Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo >> red. > > I'm no Volker Hackmann, but I don't think I was that hard on it, wanna > hear my list of breakdowns? > > - paddle switches: 3 sets > - steering pots: 2 (used to be available through Digikey) > - clamp bolts/nuts: 2 sets > - pedal/usb wiring replaced due to bad contacts developing in DSUB25 > connector. > - power supply main smoothing capacitor (twice) > - steering shaft sheared off completely at 2004 ESCORS LAN > > Now shelved due to excessive play in force feedback mechanism and pedal > hinges. > > And, yes, despite this experience with their flagship model, I shelled out > another 112,- Euro with them for a DFP(*), because the BRD Speed7 FF is > still not ready! > > Jan. > =--- > (*): through an extra-ordinary amount of settings fiddling it now gives > pretty decent feedback, but is still not as crisp as the MOMO was when > new. The plastic construction flexes and is simply completely inadequate > with regard to the amount of force it can develop. And the ergonomics of > the paddles and buttons are shocking.... >

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> "Steve Simpson" wrote... >>> <snip>> >> I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic >> stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm >> wrong though. > > Logitech could produce excellent wheels, if they were prepared to up their > price point in favour of build quality and provided after sales support. > > This thing costs red MOMO money and looks like it'll last just as long, > which, in my experience, is just over 3 years if one's able to mend the > minor faults oneself.

Agree that this is the spiritual successor to the red Momo, but still glad to see it. Some of us are A) too cheap to go ECCI/TSW, B) converts to FF even if we weren't cheapskates, and C) a lot easier on equipment than others! ;-) Not spending so much time at the wheel these days, so I'd expect it to last quite long enough given my experience with other Logi products. From the PR copy, it looks like they've addressed the primary issues I have with the DFP (FF lag and gear slack, too-small wheel size and lousy ergonomics), and added some nice touches like the H-pattern shifter and clutch with metal pedals (who knows, they might finally have a set worth using!). I'm most interested to see how much the 2-motor solution helps in resolving the lag issue that makes the wheel feel so dead around neutral loads or when the forces on the wheel change direction. Pretty much unavoidable with one small motor using a large gear reduction like the DFP, so using two opposing motors should help that a lot and really improve the resolution of the FF. Yeah, there will still be a big hole between the G25 and the likes of the Speed 7; Logitech are mass-marketers after all, so no one should be expecting them to be Dave Thomas. But I would think the G25 will make a much better platform for outfits like FrexGP to mod and provide parts for than current offerings, so they could help fill the gap. And you never know; it's five months till the holiday shopping season (Oct.), and if Logitech thinks that price point's worth occupying again, maybe some others will too. Probably good it's not out yet; means I'm $300 richer than I would be otherwise... ;-) SB

"Steve Blankenship" wrote... > <snip> Only read your post cursory (at work, will give it some more attention when I get home), but try turning on the centering spring on the DFP (a good 25%) to make up for the lack of substance in the wheel compared to the power of the FF motor. I find now it only "sticks" on really big correction in cars with either big shoes or lots of downforce (i.o.w. little chance of saving a major indiscretion anyway). Jan. =---

Ive got one and the cable is broken inside even though the casing is intact. OF course they wont replace it so Im left with a working wheel but no cable. Id tell anyone not to buy a logitech because they wont send out replacement parts, no matter how small or cheap they are. Steve "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense" muffled titter wrote:

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> Steve Simpson wrote: >>> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. >>> Looks interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. >> >> >> I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic >> stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm wrong >> though. >> >> > All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: > > http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm > > Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo red.

I have a Red Momo too where the cable came off and for the life of me I can't get it back on correctly. Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a replacement foc. Andi. "Edgecrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ive got one and the cable is broken inside even though the casing is > intact. > > OF course they wont replace it so Im left with a working wheel but no > cable. > > Id tell anyone not to buy a logitech because they wont send out > replacement parts, no matter how small or cheap they are. > > > Steve > > "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense" > > muffled titter wrote: >> Steve Simpson wrote: >>>> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks >>>> interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure that it fills the niche - it just looks like more plastic >>> stuff that will break in 6-12 months of regular use. Hope I'm wrong >>> though. >>> >>> >> All the key components of logi wheels are made of metal: >> >> http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm >> >> Only the most heavy-handed twat could break the momo red.

"muffled titter" wrote... >> <snip> > 14-15 That's only slightly less than me, so you must be kind to it somehow. No problems with gear selection at all? Like I said, I'm not one of those aliens who hardly move their wheel and hardly ever have to correct an indiscretion, but I'm not overly abusive on my stuff, IMO. Jan. =---

"Andi Cole" wrote... > <snip> > Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a > 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a > replacement foc. If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad somewhere. Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that. Jan. =---

This is pretty surprising really. Even here in Aus we have a place where all the warranty returns are returned to and they will mail spares out to you free of charge even after the warranty period. Everyone checked for this in their local area? Sydney, Australia here. I used them as recently as about 6 months or so ago too so this is still in operation I'd guess. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X5G8g.419018$[email hidden]...

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> "Andi Cole" wrote... >> <snip> >> Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a >> 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a >> replacement foc. > > If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units > almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty > period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All > very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad > somewhere. > > Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their > wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different > to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out > races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that. > > Jan. > =--- > >

> This is pretty surprising really. Even here in Aus we have a place > where all the warranty returns are returned to and they will mail spares > out to you free of charge even after the warranty period. Everyone checked > for this in their local area? Sydney, Australia here. I used them as > recently as about 6 months or so ago too so this is still in operation I'd > guess. Wow, that's different to the response I got. My pots died about 1 month out of warranty and a few calls to Logitech, Oz drew nothing but blank responses. I guess it must depend who you speak with. I've got nothing but rude, arrogant pr**ks when I've called.

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>> This is pretty surprising really. Even here in Aus we have a place >> where all the warranty returns are returned to and they will mail spares >> out to you free of charge even after the warranty period. Everyone >> checked for this in their local area? Sydney, Australia here. I used them >> as recently as about 6 months or so ago too so this is still in operation >> I'd guess. > > Wow, that's different to the response I got. My pots died about 1 month > out of warranty and a few calls to Logitech, Oz drew nothing but blank > responses. I guess it must depend who you speak with. I've got nothing > but rude, arrogant pr**ks when I've called. > > >

Logitech Australia Computer Peripherals Pty Ltd. 3-6 The Strand Dee Why NSW 2099, Australia Sales & Marketing: (02) 9972 3711 Technical Help: (02) 8850 1192 (Mon - Fri, 9am - 5pm) From - http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/utilities/contact/AU/EN Tried that one? I'm pretty sure Tech Help is the one.

nice? ya! http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2250,CONTENTID=11867 Tony Rickard enlightened us with:

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> Mitch wrote: >> Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system >> with a push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to >> slow down or accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will >> be compatible with newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. > > Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg > > Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit > and can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi > shifters to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking > integral to the wheel unit. > > Cheers > Tony

posted the wrong friggin link... http://reviews.mobilewhack.com/logitech_g25_racing_wheel_companys_most_advanced_wheel_to_date.html PlowBoy enlightened us with:

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> nice? ya! > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2250,CONTENTID=11867 > Tony Rickard enlightened us with: >> Mitch wrote: >>> Logitech's G25 Racing Wheel includes a six-speed gear shift system >>> with a push-down reverse gear. Gamers will be able to skip gears to >>> slow down or accelerate in and out of turns. Logitech says it will >>> be compatible with newer games for PCs and the PlayStation 2. >> >> Gear shift pic here for those that didn't go onto the next page. >> >> http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-2.html?tag=ne.gall.pg >> >> Looks rather nice. Do you reckon the gear leaver is a separate unit >> and can be mounted independently from the wheel? I always found Logi >> shifters to be too high up and close to the wheel for my liking >> integral to the wheel unit. >> >> Cheers >> Tony

SimHQ has played with the wheel at the E3 and here is the relevant page: http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_019l.html Two things kinda scared me: "On the pre-production example, it was noted that there was almost no retention force to keep the gated shifter in-gear. This made the shifter feel very vague as to whether it was actually in gear. It was also extremely easy to knock out of gear with the slightest pressure, and at times the shifter would just flop out of detent and return to Neutral. In a shifter, floppy is not a desired feeling." "Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such that it can't see or utilize that feature." I already own a DFP and the new wheel itself doesn't offer much more except in terms of materials used. I can order an ACT Labs shifter that has good reviews and is supported by GTL. It's also available right now. It's just a matter of finding some affordable pedals with a clutch.

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> Two things kinda scared me: > "On the pre-production example, it was noted that there was almost no > retention force to keep the gated shifter in-gear. This made the shifter > feel very vague as to whether it was actually in gear. It was also > extremely easy to knock out of gear with the slightest pressure, and at > times the shifter would just flop out of detent and return to Neutral. In > a shifter, floppy is not a desired feeling."

That's a little disconcerting, but we'll have to wait and see. > "Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for > the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such > that it can't see or utilize that feature." I'd bet GTL wasn't configured properly. The "gates" on an Act Labs shifter are no different than the buttons on a controller. The switches are just activated through a different mechanical means. GTL simply supports mapping of buttons to gears. > I already own a DFP and the new wheel itself doesn't offer much more > except in terms of materials used. I can order an ACT Labs shifter that > has good reviews and is supported by GTL. It's also available right now. > It's just a matter of finding some affordable pedals with a clutch. I like the return of actual paddles assuming they won't break, and I welcome the larger wheel even if it's only ever so slightly so. What I'm particularly interested to hear about though is the FF. I've no idea what two motors can really mean for FF improvement, but I'm very curious to find out. Alan

Bob Loblaw wrote: > "On the pre-production example, it was noted that there was almost no > retention force to keep the gated shifter in-gear. This made the shifter > feel very vague as to whether it was actually in gear. It was also extremely > easy to knock out of gear with the slightest pressure, and at times the > shifter would just flop out of detent and return to Neutral. In a shifter, > floppy is not a desired feeling." The falling out of gear is certainly disconcerting, although my one and only drive in an FF2000 the gearlever had no spring and was as floppy as a floppy thing. Took some getting used to. I was told by the instructor this was normal and to treat it differently from a road car. Perhaps someone with a bit more racecar experience can add? > "Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for > the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such > that it can't see or utilize that feature." Hopefully some clever soul can find a way and a means like with GPLShift which was quite remarkable. > I already own a DFP and the new wheel itself doesn't offer much more except > in terms of materials used. I can order an ACT Labs shifter that has good > reviews and is supported by GTL. It's also available right now. It's just a > matter of finding some affordable pedals with a clutch. The DFP is good but still feels a bit of a toy, this one looks a bit closer to the high end hardcore stuff. Cheers Tony

Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Gqg9g.68436$[email hidden]: > The falling out of gear is certainly disconcerting, although my one and > only drive in an FF2000 the gearlever had no spring and was as floppy as > a floppy thing. Took some getting used to. I was told by the > instructor this was normal and to treat it differently from a road car. > Perhaps someone with a bit more racecar experience can add? > I have zero race car experience but here is my take. The paddles would have little or no 'spring' because the resistance to your input would be delayed. Even a light spring requires a tiny bit more time to overcome the mechanical resistance. When race engines shift in micro-seconds, does it make sense to delay that ability with a comfy feeling spring? Now, REAL racers can chip in... :) dave henrie

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> Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:Gqg9g.68436$[email hidden]: > >> The falling out of gear is certainly disconcerting, although my one and >> only drive in an FF2000 the gearlever had no spring and was as floppy as >> a floppy thing. Took some getting used to. I was told by the >> instructor this was normal and to treat it differently from a road car. >> Perhaps someone with a bit more racecar experience can add? >> > > I have zero race car experience but here is my take. The paddles would > have little or no 'spring' because the resistance to your input would be > delayed. Even a light spring requires a tiny bit more time to overcome the > mechanical resistance. > When race engines shift in micro-seconds, does it make sense to delay > that ability with a comfy feeling spring? > > Now, REAL racers can chip in... :)

The OP was referring to a stick shift rather than the paddles. Computer gear to simulate computer gear onboard cars is easy, simulating the mechanical components is of greater interest to me. Cheers Tony

Looks great except more buttons are needed *on* the wheel. I am sure I will buy it the moment it is released. The icing on the cake will be if software developers recognize that in some titles you have more than one type of shifting within the game (GTR for example, with most cars using an H-pattern stick, a few using sequential stick, but one using paddles behind the wheel). It's great to be able to switch from one game to the next, but you need to switch also within a game. Marc "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FM38g.68554$[email hidden]...

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> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks > interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews. > > ---------- > For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The > system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback > motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech > says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting > indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with > walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for > $299. > Credit: Business Wire > > http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070080-1.html?part=rss&tag=6070080&subj=news > ----------- > > Mitch >

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> "Andi Cole" wrote... >> <snip> >> Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a >> 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a >> replacement foc. > > If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units > almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty > period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All > very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad > somewhere. > > Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their > wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different > to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out > races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that. > > Jan. > =---

I purchased mine at Best Buy here in the US and forked over the $12 or so for the 3yr warranty. I am now on my 6th or so new Black Momo. I have had no problems with anything on the units except for the well known accelerator bracket problem and not being able to keep it calibrated. On my last exchange, I purchased another 3yr warranty when I recieved the new unit. I really like the wheel, it is just the poor quality of the pedals that I don't like. One of these days I will break down and get a good set of USB pedals. Ed > >

Hi racers :) been using all kinds of wheels over the years for my online racing with Nascar 2003 and Rfactor. Been racing since the Hawaii days and I have had about ten wheels over the years. Everything from CH Yoke to a TSW Stock. TSW's are nice and solid and yada yada. But I really do like the FF of Logitech and MS wheels. That being said I had a red momo that I gave to another online racer when I got my TSW. The TSW was great but I sold it to help cover costs of my league. I bought a black Momo and its now dead due to the wonderfull pedals that they have. The Red Momo still lives and Im hoping to get it back. I also have a Logitecch Winman FF Red that is going on 4 years of service and still works. But I have a trick to replace the pots. What I do is buy a cheap yellow wingman off of ebay and steal the pots out of it for the red FF . Guess what the black momo uses the same pots LOl. You can get the yellow wingman for as low as 5 or 6 bucks USD . That is the way I have kept my old Logitechs running after all these years. I will say this as for TSW vs Logi. If logitech wheels lived longer and they had replacement parts I would buy a Logitech over a TSW any day. Facts are TSW needs more buttons and not to charge a arm and a leg for them. Also whats with the $400.00 shifter? So as for the G25 and its 900 DEG Rotation and FF and shifter and all the rest of its goodies. Its priced about the same as a TSW Stock and you get a ton more. So Logitech if you make this think live and sell us pots you just might win the entire market. Byron Forbes wrote:

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> This is pretty surprising really. Even here in Aus we have a place where > all the warranty returns are returned to and they will mail spares out to > you free of charge even after the warranty period. Everyone checked for this > in their local area? Sydney, Australia here. I used them as recently as > about 6 months or so ago too so this is still in operation I'd guess. > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:X5G8g.419018$[email hidden]... >> "Andi Cole" wrote... >>> <snip> >>> Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a >>> 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a >>> replacement foc. >> If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units >> almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty >> period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All >> very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad >> somewhere. >> >> Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their >> wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different >> to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out >> races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that. >> >> Jan. >> =--- >> >> > >

On Sat, 13 May 2006 06:25:16 GMT, "Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> "Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for >> the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such >> that it can't see or utilize that feature." > >I'd bet GTL wasn't configured properly. The "gates" on an Act Labs shifter >are no different than the buttons on a controller. The switches are just >activated through a different mechanical means. GTL simply supports mapping >of buttons to gears. > >Alan >

The issue with the shifter and GTL is that GTL only recognises the first 16 buttons on a game controller, I've tested and this is the case. There are a lot of buttons on this new wheel, 4 on the wheel and 12 on the shifter plus the shifter itself, and the shifter buttons must be numbered higher than 16. There is a work around that should work. Instead of joystick buttons, you can assign keystrokes to the individual gears in GTL. Then you can assign these keystrokes to the shifter positions with the Logitech profiler. I've tested this theory with my DFP and it works. Peter