Nascar 2002 Framerates - so whats really the deal?

Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit the store shelves? Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 frames? If yes, what are you running? Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure out how to take a lap with out killing someone. Regards, Gil

Turn sounds down to eight and reflections off. Reflections cause a pretty large fps hit. OpenGL will probably give you more fps. Mirror is the biggest drain though. I have a P4 1.6 and GF2 Ti and frame rate is always above 40 for me. Anything below that gives me a headache. David G Fisher "Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > > P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest > processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to > get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? > > I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate > issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately > required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me > down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn > ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get > it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running > faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to > have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit > the store shelves? > > Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have > the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone > with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 > frames? If yes, what are you running? > > Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight > simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh > man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great > time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure > out how to take a lap with out killing someone. > > Regards, > > Gil

Forgot to mention that you may need to put your linear/non linear steering setting to 100% linear. Makes the cars a lot easier to control. David G Fisher "Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > > P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest > processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to > get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? > > I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate > issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately > required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me > down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn > ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get > it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running > faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to > have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit > the store shelves? > > Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have > the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone > with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 > frames? If yes, what are you running? > > Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight > simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh > man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great > time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure > out how to take a lap with out killing someone. > > Regards, > > Gil

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> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > > P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest > processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to > get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? > > I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate > issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately > required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me > down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn > ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get > it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running > faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to > have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit > the store shelves? > > Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have > the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone > with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 > frames? If yes, what are you running? > > Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight > simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh > man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great > time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure > out how to take a lap with out killing someone. > > Regards, > > Gil

I have almost the idential system except my video = G3 Ti500. I run at 1280x1024 in Open GL. Make sure that you turn off AA and then just play with the detail settings in the game until you are happy. Elrikk

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> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > > P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest > processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to > get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? > > I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate > issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately > required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me > down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn > ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get > it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running > faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to > have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit > the store shelves? > > Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have > the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone > with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 > frames? If yes, what are you running? > > Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight > simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh > man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great > time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure > out how to take a lap with out killing someone. > > Regards, > > Gil

I have a P4 1.4, GF 2, 384 megs of rambus using Win98............never go below 60 fps online, everything maxed out, no reflections. John

You must have something wrong somewhere. You should be closer to 50 fps than 30 with nearly all detail maxed, Quin AA, no Anis, with that rig. First hint was when you say you had to do some regediting to get the video drivers loaded. Thats obviously a *bad* sign. You might check your desktop color depth and be sure it's 16bpp to match your 3d setup in-game. Mitch

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> "Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > > > > P4, 1.8 GHz, g3force 3, 512 ram...os is xp.. this is not the fastest > > processor today or the fastest graphics card but should I be able to > > get over 30 fps with graphics and sound settings maxed out? > > > > I have read several of the threads here that talk about frame rate > > issues. I updated my video drivers (f'n nightmare that ultimately > > required regedit!)but if anything, that may have actually slowed me > > down by a few frames. Sure.. if take down the number of cars drawn > > ahead and to the rear, and cut the number of sounds in half, I can get > > it close to 40 frames but my gut is telling me it should be running > > faster. Am I correct or is this sim really so cutting edge as to > > have been optimized for systems that did not even exist when it hit > > the store shelves? > > > > Anyone out there with a similar system, can you tell me how you have > > the graphics set up to keep the frame rates above 30? Can anyone > > with ANY system run this with everything maxed out and keep it over 30 > > frames? If yes, what are you running? > > > > Thanks everyone. Oh..one last note - I am an old time combat flight > > simmer. New to racing. I have often watched Nascar on TV but man oh > > man... I never would have guessed it was this hard! Having a great > > time with this sim and look forward to going on-line - once I figure > > out how to take a lap with out killing someone. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gil > >

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:12:40 -0400, "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. >> >> Gil > >I have almost the idential system except my video = G3 Ti500. > >I run at 1280x1024 in Open GL. Make sure that you turn off AA and then just >play with the detail settings in the game until you are happy. > >Elrikk > >

Also, make sure v-sync is off. There are several other tweaks to look at. I don't have any links at the moment, but if you look around you can probably find a good guide if you search. But AA and V-sync are probably the big ones. Oh and also run in OpenGL using 16bit color. Brian Oster

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> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:12:40 -0400, "elrikk" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Re: Nascar 2002 frame rates. > >> > >> Gil > > > >I have almost the idential system except my video = G3 Ti500. > > > >I run at 1280x1024 in Open GL. Make sure that you turn off AA and then

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> >play with the detail settings in the game until you are happy. > > > >Elrikk > > > > > > Also, make sure v-sync is off. There are several other tweaks to look > at. I don't have any links at the moment, but if you look around you > can probably find a good guide if you search. But AA and V-sync are > probably the big ones. Oh and also run in OpenGL using 16bit color. > > Brian Oster

x2 FSAA doesn't really affect my fps at all. Makes it look a lot better though. David G Fisher

Thanks to all for the suggestions. I have it at about 35 fps as follows: In open GL at 1024x769x16, all details maxed, drawing distance at 100% with max opp 42 forward and rear. No reflextions. Sounds played 16. Antialiasing 2x. Vsync off. On the line at start of race (California) with 42 cars FPS shows 30 but by the time the pace car goes in the fps are at 35 and then, when we spread out a bit, they get into or around 40. I guess this is not too bad. Thanks again folks. Now I still need to learn how to drive. The AI cars are way agressive. They seem to be able to bump me with no ill effect on their own control. Take Care all. Gil

42 forward and rear? Shouldn't need more than three in rear view mirror and maybe 25 forward. Sounds down to eight should improve fps and I doubt you'll notice any difference in what you hear. Remember to try your wheel linear setting at 100% David G Fisher "Gil Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks to all for the suggestions. > > I have it at about 35 fps as follows: > > In open GL at 1024x769x16, all details maxed, drawing distance at 100% > with max opp 42 forward and rear. No reflextions. Sounds played 16. > Antialiasing 2x. Vsync off. On the line at start of race > (California) with 42 cars FPS shows 30 but by the time the pace car > goes in the fps are at 35 and then, when we spread out a bit, they get > into or around 40. > > I guess this is not too bad. Thanks again folks. Now I still need to > learn how to drive. The AI cars are way agressive. They seem to be > able to bump me with no ill effect on their own control. > > Take Care all. > > Gil

In article <n5NQ8.12717$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >Turn sounds down to eight and reflections off. Reflections cause a pretty >large fps hit. OpenGL will probably give you more fps. Mirror is the biggest >drain though. > >I have a P4 1.6 and GF2 Ti and frame rate is always above 40 for me. >Anything below that gives me a headache. What resolution do you run in? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have everything on full (Except Anistropic Filtering) at 1280X1024X16 and I'm usually over 100fps in testing and 50-60fps in a full field race. Mirrors on full as well. AthlonXP 1800+/GeForce 4 Ti4400/DET4 29.42/WinXP. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <n5NQ8.12717$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Turn sounds down to eight and reflections off. Reflections cause a pretty > >large fps hit. OpenGL will probably give you more fps. Mirror is thebiggest

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> >drain though. > > > >I have a P4 1.6 and GF2 Ti and frame rate is always above 40 for me. > >Anything below that gives me a headache. > > What resolution do you run in? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI > 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, > VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact

Officer > Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <n5NQ8.12717$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Turn sounds down to eight and reflections off. Reflections cause a pretty > >large fps hit. OpenGL will probably give you more fps. Mirror is thebiggest > >drain though. > > > >I have a P4 1.6 and GF2 Ti and frame rate is always above 40 for me. > >Anything below that gives me a headache. > > What resolution do you run in? 1024 x 768

In article <2hiW8.36348$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: >I have everything on full (Except Anistropic Filtering) at 1280X1024X16 and >I'm usually over 100fps in testing and 50-60fps in a full field race. > >Mirrors on full as well. > >AthlonXP 1800+/GeForce 4 Ti4400/DET4 29.42/WinXP. Ok, your system is a LOT faster than mine(1.2G, V5). The highest I've *ever* seen is about 72fps - that's at 1024x768, I think. Full field drops to 37-50fps. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.