Nascar 2002 question

Okay, I've been playing the F1 2002 demo and I'll admit that I have been really spoiled by the FF in that sim. I just downloaded NASCAR 2002 to give it a try (after hearing over and over again how great this sim is and how much more advanced it is than N4). Well, WOW. This is a great sim as well, however, I do have a question/concern. Is the FF in the retail game about the same as the demo? I have become VERY spoiled by the FF in F1 2002 and I would really like something similar in NASCAR 2002. The FF in F1 really gives you a sense that you are DRIVING a car and provides immeasurable feedback. To me, the FF in the NASCAR 2002 demo is very "soft," even after putting the setting up to 100%. It also doesn't seem to kick in unless you are pushing into a corner or hitting a wall. Very little FF for "normal" driving or collisions. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! -- --------------------- Rob Berryhill

The FF in N2002 is good. It gives you realistic feedback, but... the thing is, Nascars are huge, heavy, softish sheet metal monsters. The FF effects of course reflect that. I.e., if the FF feels strange to you, it may have to do with that fact. Another thing is, apart from having to find the proper settings for your controller in N2002's options screen, changes to the car's setup will also (and realistically so) change the FF effects you feel. More caster will give you a stiffer steering wheel, less caster will reduce the forces. Other aspects of the car setup affect the FF as well, which is very nice as it's realistic and gives you excellent feedback on what the car is doing, and which effect your setup mods have. It does, however, take more time to find all that out, and then to learn to interpret it correctly. I don't remember what the FF in the demo was like, therefore I can't really answer your question as to whether it's different from the full version, but if you're into realism, N2002 is your sim. Achim "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:onZQ8.15167$[email hidden]... > Okay, I've been playing the F1 2002 demo and I'll admit that I have been > really spoiled by the FF in that sim. I just downloaded NASCAR 2002 togive > it a try (after hearing over and over again how great this sim is and how > much more advanced it is than N4). > > Well, WOW. This is a great sim as well, however, I do have a > question/concern. Is the FF in the retail game about the same as thedemo? > I have become VERY spoiled by the FF in F1 2002 and I would really like > something similar in NASCAR 2002. The FF in F1 really gives you a sensethat > you are DRIVING a car and provides immeasurable feedback. To me, the FFin

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> the NASCAR 2002 demo is very "soft," even after putting the setting up to > 100%. It also doesn't seem to kick in unless you are pushing into a corner > or hitting a wall. Very little FF for "normal" driving or collisions. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated! > > -- > --------------------- > Rob Berryhill > >

Sounds like you are looking for arcade levels of ff, N2002 is about realism(or as good as they can get), sounds like the open wheel sim is exaggerating the ff immensely. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Rob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:onZQ8.15167$[email hidden]... > Okay, I've been playing the F1 2002 demo and I'll admit that I have been > really spoiled by the FF in that sim. I just downloaded NASCAR 2002 to give > it a try (after hearing over and over again how great this sim is and how > much more advanced it is than N4). > > Well, WOW. This is a great sim as well, however, I do have a > question/concern. Is the FF in the retail game about the same as the demo? > I have become VERY spoiled by the FF in F1 2002 and I would really like > something similar in NASCAR 2002. The FF in F1 really gives you a sense that > you are DRIVING a car and provides immeasurable feedback. To me, the FF in > the NASCAR 2002 demo is very "soft," even after putting the setting up to > 100%. It also doesn't seem to kick in unless you are pushing into a corner > or hitting a wall. Very little FF for "normal" driving or collisions. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated! > > -- > --------------------- > Rob Berryhill > >

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_E1R8.49109$[email hidden]... > Sounds like you are looking for arcade levels of ff, N2002 is aboutrealism(or as good as they can > get), sounds like the open wheel sim is exaggerating the ff immensely. > -- > Biz Actually, that would be a no on both counts. I am very interested in simulation and not arcade, and anyone that drives F1 2002 can tell you that the FF is the best there is. I will, however, take a look at the suggestions offered by Sebastion and Joachim as that sounds like what I need to improve the sensation. -- --------------------- Rob Berryhill

I still say the most improved gaming experience with FF goes to GPL. I couldn't drive GPL, period, until FF came along. It totally morphed that game into a completely different animal. -Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af1p25$amu8h$[email hidden]... > The FF in N2002 is good. It gives you realistic feedback, but... the thing > is, Nascars are huge, heavy, softish sheet metal monsters. The FF effectsof > course reflect that. I.e., if the FF feels strange to you, it may have todo > with that fact. > > Another thing is, apart from having to find the proper settings for your > controller in N2002's options screen, changes to the car's setup will also > (and realistically so) change the FF effects you feel. More caster willgive > you a stiffer steering wheel, less caster will reduce the forces. Other > aspects of the car setup affect the FF as well, which is very nice as it's > realistic and gives you excellent feedback on what the car is doing, and > which effect your setup mods have. > > It does, however, take more time to find all that out, and then to learnto > interpret it correctly. > > I don't remember what the FF in the demo was like, therefore I can'treally > answer your question as to whether it's different from the full version,but

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> if you're into realism, N2002 is your sim. > > Achim > > > "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:onZQ8.15167$[email hidden]... > > Okay, I've been playing the F1 2002 demo and I'll admit that I have been > > really spoiled by the FF in that sim. I just downloaded NASCAR 2002 to > give > > it a try (after hearing over and over again how great this sim is and

how

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> > much more advanced it is than N4). > > > > Well, WOW. This is a great sim as well, however, I do have a > > question/concern. Is the FF in the retail game about the same as the > demo? > > I have become VERY spoiled by the FF in F1 2002 and I would really like > > something similar in NASCAR 2002. The FF in F1 really gives you a sense > that > > you are DRIVING a car and provides immeasurable feedback. To me, the FF > in > > the NASCAR 2002 demo is very "soft," even after putting the setting up

to > > 100%. It also doesn't seem to kick in unless you are pushing into acorner

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> > or hitting a wall. Very little FF for "normal" driving or collisions. > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated! > > > > -- > > --------------------- > > Rob Berryhill > > > > > >

Agreed, in GPL FF made a huge difference, especially since it had been really well done, which at the time was not at all common. Still, have you ever tried driving N2002 without FF? :-) Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TD6R8.68286$[email hidden]... > I still say the most improved gaming experience with FF goes to GPL. > > I couldn't drive GPL, period, until FF came along. It totally morphedthat

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> game into a completely different animal. > > -Larry > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:af1p25$amu8h$[email hidden]... > > The FF in N2002 is good. It gives you realistic feedback, but... the

thing > > is, Nascars are huge, heavy, softish sheet metal monsters. The FFeffects > of > > course reflect that. I.e., if the FF feels strange to you, it may haveto > do > > with that fact. > > > > Another thing is, apart from having to find the proper settings for your > > controller in N2002's options screen, changes to the car's setup willalso > > (and realistically so) change the FF effects you feel. More caster will > give > > you a stiffer steering wheel, less caster will reduce the forces. Other > > aspects of the car setup affect the FF as well, which is very nice asit's

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> > realistic and gives you excellent feedback on what the car is doing, and > > which effect your setup mods have. > > > > It does, however, take more time to find all that out, and then to learn > to > > interpret it correctly. > > > > I don't remember what the FF in the demo was like, therefore I can't > really > > answer your question as to whether it's different from the full version, > but > > if you're into realism, N2002 is your sim. > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:onZQ8.15167$[email hidden]... > > > Okay, I've been playing the F1 2002 demo and I'll admit that I have

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> > > really spoiled by the FF in that sim. I just downloaded NASCAR 2002 to > > give > > > it a try (after hearing over and over again how great this sim is and > how > > > much more advanced it is than N4). > > > > > > Well, WOW. This is a great sim as well, however, I do have a > > > question/concern. Is the FF in the retail game about the same as the > > demo? > > > I have become VERY spoiled by the FF in F1 2002 and I would really

like > > > something similar in NASCAR 2002. The FF in F1 really gives you asense > > that > > > you are DRIVING a car and provides immeasurable feedback. To me, theFF

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> > in > > > the NASCAR 2002 demo is very "soft," even after putting the setting up > to > > > 100%. It also doesn't seem to kick in unless you are pushing into a > corner > > > or hitting a wall. Very little FF for "normal" driving or collisions. > > > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------- > > > Rob Berryhill > > > > > > > > > > > >

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Agreed, in GPL FF made a huge difference, especially since it had been > really well done, which at the time was not at all common. > > Still, have you ever tried driving N2002 without FF? :-) All the time ... :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Agreed, in GPL FF made a huge difference, especially since it had been > > really well done, which at the time was not at all common. > > > > Still, have you ever tried driving N2002 without FF? :-) > > All the time ... :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > Me too :) Never have had FF, have to try it one of these days.

John

>I couldn't drive GPL, period, until FF came along. It totally morphed that >game into a completely different animal. > >-Larry I'm the exact opposite. I'm ALWAYS behind on my steering in GPL with FF on, yet I can't play any other game without FF anymore and feel comfortable at all. I guess it's just my style in GPL that involves a lot of gentle opposite lock. <shrug> ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://www.gplworld.racesim.net/simcrash

Hello Group, I have Nascar 4. Is Nascar 2002 enough of an improvement to merit an upgrade? Bearing in mind I'm not American, so I couldn't care less if the 2002 season and driver line up is represented or not... TIA

"Jon Silk" <[email hidden]> writes: > Hello Group, > > I have Nascar 4. Is Nascar 2002 enough of an improvement to merit an > upgrade? Bearing in mind I'm not American, so I couldn't care less if the > 2002 season and driver line up is represented or not... Yes, it's worth it. And if you wan't multiplayer, noone is playing N4 online anymore. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

IMHO Nascar4 is better driving model (slightly). N2002 does have a couple of nice touches namely Darryl Waltrips (just off the cuff)driving guides and best line indicator. Helps quite a bit to bring you up to speed. Sound is better too. Mostly a patch costing many bucks and like Olav states if you want to ran online there's only one thing to do. If offline is your thing, not worth the upgrade. Stu "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Jon Silk" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Hello Group, > > > > I have Nascar 4. Is Nascar 2002 enough of an improvement to merit an > > upgrade? Bearing in mind I'm not American, so I couldn't care less ifthe

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> > 2002 season and driver line up is represented or not... > > Yes, it's worth it. And if you wan't multiplayer, noone is playing N4 > online anymore. > > -- > Olav Malmin > remove .spam when replying

You are the 1st person I have seen to say that N4 had the better driving model....If you truly feel its just a patch than you are missing out on an awful lot. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Stu_C <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mm4V8.817$[email hidden]... > IMHO Nascar4 is better driving model (slightly). N2002 does have a couple of > nice touches namely Darryl Waltrips (just off the cuff)driving guides and > best line indicator. > Helps quite a bit to bring you up to speed. > > Sound is better too. Mostly a patch costing many bucks and like Olav states > if you want to ran online there's only one thing to do. > > If offline is your thing, not worth the upgrade. > > Stu > > "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Jon Silk" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > I have Nascar 4. Is Nascar 2002 enough of an improvement to merit an > > > upgrade? Bearing in mind I'm not American, so I couldn't care less if > the > > > 2002 season and driver line up is represented or not... > > > > Yes, it's worth it. And if you wan't multiplayer, noone is playing N4 > > online anymore. > > > > -- > > Olav Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > >