LWFF, F1 2002, WinXP - no go?

Why does this combination have problems with force feedback? Whenever I enable FF in the game, I lose about 30-40% of my frame-rate. I tried connecting a friend's MOMO and it didn't suffer from the problem. I've got WinME on a second partition and it runs the game fine - with or without FF. Major PITA switching between 2 OS's though...... Anyone else using this combination of hardware/software?

Do you have the newest Logitech drivers? I'm not sure how XP handles Direct X stuff, but I haven't seen too many complaints about FF killing the framerates... Any XP users with a LWFF? dave henrie "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af3gvk$bbtue$[email hidden]... > Why does this combination have problems with force feedback? Whenever I > enable FF in the game, I lose about 30-40% of my frame-rate. I tried > connecting a friend's MOMO and it didn't suffer from the problem. I'vegot > WinME on a second partition and it runs the game fine - with or withoutFF. > Major PITA switching between 2 OS's though...... > > Anyone else using this combination of hardware/software? > > >

I'm using 4.11c but 3.62 also showed the problem...

I"m using a Logi FF GP wheel in XP on F1 2002 & it's works fine. XP did require a update from Logi though "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af3gvk$bbtue$[email hidden]... > Why does this combination have problems with force feedback? Whenever I > enable FF in the game, I lose about 30-40% of my frame-rate. I tried > connecting a friend's MOMO and it didn't suffer from the problem. I'vegot > WinME on a second partition and it runs the game fine - with or withoutFF. > Major PITA switching between 2 OS's though...... > > Anyone else using this combination of hardware/software? > > >

> I"m using a Logi FF GP wheel in XP on F1 2002 & it's works fine. XP did > require a update from Logi though <sigh> I knew I was going to get a response from a LWFFGP owner...they use a totally different firmware from the LWFF - the GP has a similar firmware to the MOMO. Thanks anyway. It seems I'm the only person on the planet who uses this combination..

Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002. The first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure the game was working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soon as I hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half. Fortunately, I have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur at all) so I have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't have a solution. -Marty System specs: Athlon 1.33 Geforce 3 original flava (23.11's -28.32's crash my system) 512MB DDR LWFF (4.11c drivers) "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af3gvk$bbtue$[email hidden]... > Why does this combination have problems with force feedback? Whenever I > enable FF in the game, I lose about 30-40% of my frame-rate. I tried > connecting a friend's MOMO and it didn't suffer from the problem. I'vegot > WinME on a second partition and it runs the game fine - with or withoutFF. > Major PITA switching between 2 OS's though...... > > Anyone else using this combination of hardware/software? > > >

> Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002. The > first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel > connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure the gamewas > working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soon asI > hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half. Fortunately, I > have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur at all) soI > have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't have a > solution. > > -Marty Thanks for that Marty, I guess I really wanted confirmation that it wasn't a problem with my wheel or PC. I'm since told that the original LWFF is not officially supported by Logitech under Windows XP. Maybe time for one of those new rubber MOMOs.

Could be a problem with the BIOS not fully supporting (or at least updated). Have you looked into an update in that area? -- Chris H. "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af5skn$bmin0$[email hidden]... > > Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002. The > > first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel > > connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure the game > was > > working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soon as > I > > hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half. Fortunately, I > > have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur at all) so > I > > have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't have a > > solution. > > > > -Marty > > Thanks for that Marty, I guess I really wanted confirmation that it wasn't a > problem with my wheel or PC. I'm since told that the original LWFF is not > officially supported by Logitech under Windows XP. Maybe time for one of > those new rubber MOMOs. > > >

I have an Asus A7V with the latest BIOS and 4-in-1's so that isn't the problem. I think the LWFF is just starting to be a little too old tech for XP unfortunately. I guess it's getting close to Momo time. -Marty "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vLuR8.412338$[email hidden]... > Could be a problem with the BIOS not fully supporting (or at leastupdated).

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> Have you looked into an update in that area? > -- > Chris H. > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:af5skn$bmin0$[email hidden]... > > > Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002.

The > > > first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel > > > connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure thegame > > was > > > working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soon > as > > I > > > hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half.Fortunately, > I > > > have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur atall) > so > > I > > > have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't havea > > > solution. > > > > > > -Marty > > > > Thanks for that Marty, I guess I really wanted confirmation that itwasn't > a > > problem with my wheel or PC. I'm since told that the original LWFF isnot > > officially supported by Logitech under Windows XP. Maybe time for oneof > > those new rubber MOMOs. > > > > > > > >

Sounds like a perfectly good, logical reason. 8-) -- Chris H. "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:47wR8.80183$[email hidden]... > I have an Asus A7V with the latest BIOS and 4-in-1's so that isn't the > problem. I think the LWFF is just starting to be a little too old tech for > XP unfortunately. I guess it's getting close to Momo time. > > -Marty

I think what Martin was alluding to is that the LWFF was designed to be compatible with the serial port when it was released - now that backward compatibility is hampering it - much like backward compatibility hampers Windows. ; ) -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F1 2001 rank: -11.512

Guys I also have a MS wheel & XP does not support the software that came with the wheel.......They don't support their own hardware, if I wish to use the software I have to go back to 98/ME......not bad Microsoft going backwards.......lol "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af5skn$bmin0$[email hidden]... > > Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002. The > > first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel > > connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure the game > was > > working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soonas > I > > hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half. Fortunately,I > > have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur at all)so

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> I > > have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't have a > > solution. > > > > -Marty > > Thanks for that Marty, I guess I really wanted confirmation that it wasn't

a > problem with my wheel or PC. I'm since told that the original LWFF is not > officially supported by Logitech under Windows XP. Maybe time for one of > those new rubber MOMOs. > >

Any game port controller isn't going to be compatible with Windows XP except for basic functions. The controller industry about three years ago went to USB devices, and most manufacturers don't even support the older controllers now. It isn't just Microsoft. Everyone wants you to buy their USB controllers now. 8-) -- Chris H. "Terry kane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d16f50d$0$31823$[email hidden]... > Guys I also have a MS wheel & XP does not support the software that came > with the wheel.......They don't support their own hardware, if I wish to use > the software I have to go back to 98/ME......not bad Microsoft going > backwards.......lol > > > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:af5skn$bmin0$[email hidden]... > > > Damien, you are not alone. This happens to me in F12001 and 2002. The > > > first time I got F12001 running under XP, I didn't have my LWFF wheel > > > connected and was driving with the keyboard (just to make sure the game > > was > > > working) and my frame rates in 1600x1200x16 were in the 90's. As soon > as > > I > > > hooked my wheel up, it cut the frame rates almost in half. Fortunately, > I > > > have a dual boot to Win98 SE (where this problem does not occur at all) > so > > I > > > have a backup plan but you're right, it's a pain. Sorry I don't have a > > > solution. > > > > > > -Marty > > > > Thanks for that Marty, I guess I really wanted confirmation that it wasn't > a > > problem with my wheel or PC. I'm since told that the original LWFF is not > > officially supported by Logitech under Windows XP. Maybe time for one of > > those new rubber MOMOs. > > > > > > >