GP4 Yes/No?

Hey all, There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? Thanks guys! Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com

I was just looking at this screenshot: http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jun02/gp4_082.html does the car in the rear view mirror make any sense to anyone? Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]...

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > >

Mike Beauchamp wrote:

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > >

If u want an awesome F1 sim, get GP4....but if u want a great arcade game then F12002!

If you want Wheel and pedals problem - buy GP4. If you want a racing game buy F1 2002 Regards.. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]...

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]...

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike

If you want frustration in a box, get GP4.. If you want endless ours of no hassle enjoyment and the mods that will soon be coming thick and fast, get F1 2002.

If you like pivotpoint physics, with no tirewear etc, then get GP4 or Colin McRae, If you like GPL, and Nascar 4, then get F1 2002. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]...

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > >

If you like multiplayer racing, get Nascar Racing 2002 Season ;-) "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]...

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> Hey all, > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > Thanks guys! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? Do you have GP3? Do you plan to stick with W98 for a while longer? If so, stick to GP3 and wait for a GP4 demo to be released. Or download the full version off the net and use that as a demo. Opinions vary so much for this game noone can really tell you if you want it or not, you'll just have to test for yourself. As for my personal opinion (in case you managed to miss my other posts). GP4 = updated graphics, animated pit crew, little else that GP3 didn't already offer. No safety car. No stop-go or drivethrough penalties. AI controlled cars will happily race you when you're on a qualifying hotlap while they just drove out of the pits. It's just like GP3. -- Frode

"Mike Beauchamp" wrote: > I was just looking at this screenshot: >http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jun02/gp4_082.html > > does the car in the rear view mirror make any sense to anyone? This is with cars only option in mirrors (gpl has the same option). Quite a big help with fps plus it makes the mirrors more useable if you use the T-Cam view. Tony

God I dislike the pivot-point physics in CMR2. Thanks for giving it a name, I always described it as though "the car just has a wheel in the middle.. and the others are fake Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ShR8.13140$[email hidden]... > If you like pivotpoint physics, with no tirewear etc, then get GP4 orColin

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> McRae, > If you like GPL, and Nascar 4, then get F1 2002. > > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]... > > Hey all, > > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > > > Thanks guys! > > > > Mike > > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > > > > > >

Yeah, I understand that now.. but I still don't understand why the car in the rear view mirror is pointing the opposite direction as the field.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vtiR8.4663$[email hidden]...

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> "Mike Beauchamp" wrote: > > > I was just looking at this screenshot: > > > http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jun02/gp4_082.html > > > > does the car in the rear view mirror make any sense to anyone? > > This is with cars only option in mirrors (gpl has the same option). > > Quite a big help with fps plus it makes the mirrors more useable if you > use the T-Cam view. > > Tony > >

Good sell on the MOD thing!! very true.. thanks Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:af472r$bb21j$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]... > > Hey all, > > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > > > Thanks guys! > > > > Mike > > If you want frustration in a box, get GP4.. If you want endless ours of no

hassle > enjoyment and the mods that will soon be coming thick and fast, get F12002. > >

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:26 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yeah, I understand that now.. but I still don't understand why the car in >the rear view mirror is pointing the opposite direction as the field.. Well, try and understand why the players car is facing the wrong way, and apply the same logic to the car in the mirror. There, wasn`t so hard was it? / .mitch - \

I presume that is the car that "Alesi" took out as he span out, and that car has ended up facing the wrong way in the gravel trap. I also hope that the graphics have been set to only show cars, and no other details - thus an explanation for that? I think so cos that "driver aid" that shows the cars as yellow dots from a birdseye view, shows a car in the gravel trap. Strange they did the screen shots without full graphics on, or maybe they weren't done then. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iLgR8.60239$[email hidden]...

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> I was just looking at this screenshot: > http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jun02/gp4_082.html > > does the car in the rear view mirror make any sense to anyone? > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uwbR8.79058$[email hidden]... > > Hey all, > > There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > > So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > > > Thanks guys! > > > > Mike > > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > > > > > >

So, an AI car decided to follow the person while he turns around to take a screenshot? Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:26 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yeah, I understand that now.. but I still don't understand why the car in > >the rear view mirror is pointing the opposite direction as the field.. > > Well, try and understand why the players car is facing the wrong way, > and apply the same logic to the car in the mirror. > > There, wasn`t so hard was it? > > > / > .mitch - > \

Or Jean Alesi spun out and took a car with him :) yeah, i'm stupid.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LPkR8.60848$[email hidden]...

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> So, an AI car decided to follow the person while he turns around to take a > screenshot? > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > "mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:26 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Yeah, I understand that now.. but I still don't understand why the car

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> > >the rear view mirror is pointing the opposite direction as the field.. > > > > Well, try and understand why the players car is facing the wrong way, > > and apply the same logic to the car in the mirror. > > > > There, wasn`t so hard was it? > > > > > > / > > .mitch - > > \ > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2SkR8.60850$[email hidden]... > Or Jean Alesi spun out and took a car with him :) yeah, i'm stupid.. > > Mike Remember Mike, My teachers said there is no such thing as a stupid question....(!!) What you are seeing is carried over from at least F1 2001. Even If you are more 90 degrees sideways you will still see the cars behind you as if you were pointed correctly down the track.(provided the car is within your rear field of view which seems to be defined NOT by the orientation of the car but rather it's place on the track) Consider it a flaw or perhaps just a hack to keep frame rates up. If I remember correctly, ICR2 didn't really display a real rearview in the mirrors, they just had about a thousand car bitmap files that could approximate on the mirror where the cars behind you were. I think it was DGF who found that in N2002, if you turned your car 180 degrees and faced the wrong way on a track, you could still only see a short distance, just like the view in the mirror fades out quickly...You could see for a mile or more facing to the front, but the rear view even when facing backwards was much shorter. Anyhow back to your picture.....if you are trying to re-enter the track after looping the car into the kitty litter, are you watching the track or your mirrors? :) dave henrie

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> > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:43:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" > <[email hidden]> bleeted: > > >Hey all, > >There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) > >So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? > > > >Thanks guys! > > Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take > it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange > on returns now and no refund.

They give me refunds here in the UK.

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> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> bleeted: > > > >They give me refunds here in the UK. > > They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they > haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of > EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as > dishonest thieves and not the other. :-) >

That's right, you should march in there and DEMAND to be arrested on the spot...lousy stinking consumer thief Baggins...(oops) After all if you hadn't stolen the money in the first place the corporation would already have it right? lol.......!! dave henrie > -- > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

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> > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> bleeted: > > >They give me refunds here in the UK. > > They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they > haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of > EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as > dishonest thieves and not the other. :-)

Hehe :). The thing is, I don't really care what there policy is as I'm protected by my consumer rights. I reject things if they are not up to scratch. I may buy GP4 just so I can take it back and complain about it. <G> Gerry

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:38:55 -0400, Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken ><[email hidden]> bleeted: > > >>They give me refunds here in the UK. > >They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they >haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of >EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as >dishonest thieves and not the other. :-)

They are the same company in name only - the original EB only own 20 percent of the "EB" in the UK. / .mitch - \

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> are more 90 degrees sideways you will still see the cars behind you as > if you were pointed correctly down the track.(provided the car is > within your rear field of view which seems to be defined NOT by the > orientation of the car but rather it's place on the track) > Consider it a flaw or perhaps just a hack to keep frame rates up. > > dave henrie >

And so we go back to Crammond, does anyone else remember "Revs"? In that game, if you drove the wrong way round the track (against traffic) you'd still be looking at the gearboxes of the other cars, as they came round, not their noses. John

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> > > Sebastion Melmoth wrote: >> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:43:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" >> <[email hidden]> bleeted: >> >> >Hey all, >> >There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :) >> >So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002? >> > >> >Thanks guys! >> >> Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take >> it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange >> on returns now and no refund. > > They give me refunds here in the UK.

The EB in the UK is not the same EB as that in the US. US EB sold UK EB to GAME some time ago. So UK EB has really been GAME, and now all the UK EB stores are being refitted as GAME stores, or closed (delete as applicable). cheers John

Sebastion Melmoth wrote: > Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take > it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange > on returns now and no refund. EB gives refunds in Detroit, MI. Where you at?? -- Fester

I'm right across the Ambassador!! Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sebastion Melmoth wrote: > > > Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take > > it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange > > on returns now and no refund. > > > EB gives refunds in Detroit, MI. Where you at?? > > -- > > Fester >

"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And so we go back to Crammond, does anyone else remember "Revs"? > In that game, if you drove the wrong way round the track (against traffic) > you'd still be looking at the gearboxes of the other cars, as they came > round, not their noses. To be fair, REVS wasn't running on the most powerful of machines, was it? Yes, more could possibly have been done - but it would have taken more memory / processor power - which was probably already dedicated to actually making the game possible!!

"JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The EB in the UK is not the same EB as that in the US. US EB sold UK EBto > GAME some time ago. So UK EB has really been GAME, and now all the UK EB > stores are being refitted as GAME stores, or closed (delete asapplicable). As I recall, it was the other way round... UK EB was effectively a franchise... it was paying US EB for the right to use the name, but was otherwise a separate company... UK EB bought out GAME... they then decided they wanted to drop the EB tag, so as to avoid paying US EB... as UK EB already owned GAME, and GAME was still an operating trade name, they have been in the process of rebranding everything to GAME...

hi tony are you racing T-cam view ? yet the mirrors are useful to you...hmmm I kinda of like that since T-cam view gives a good compromise to 2D monitor screen for the 3D sense of play I used to use the "lookback" view in F1 2000 which on second pressing returns me to the previous view but not in GP4 It is not very intuitive to use. "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vtiR8.4663$[email hidden]... > "Mike Beauchamp" wrote: > > > I was just looking at this screenshot: > > >http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/ju n02/gp4_082.html > > > > does the car in the rear view mirror make any senseto anyone? > > This is with cars only option in mirrors (gpl has thesame option). > > Quite a big help with fps plus it makes the mirrorsmore useable if you > use the T-Cam view. > > Tony > >

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> > "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> And so we go back to Crammond, does anyone else remember "Revs"? >> In that game, if you drove the wrong way round the track (against >> traffic) you'd still be looking at the gearboxes of the other cars, >> as they came round, not their noses. > > To be fair, REVS wasn't running on the most powerful of machines, was > it?

To be fair, F1 2002 *is* running on the most powerful of machines :D Cheers for missing the point entirely ;o) John

"John Metcow" wrote: > hi tony > are you racing T-cam view ? > yet the mirrors are useful to you...hmmm No I am using the cockpit view. I just noticed the mirrors looked more useful with T-Cam view and cars only during a replay. I guess from your comment they are not! Cheers Tony

Mike Beauchamp wrote: > I'm right across the Ambassador!! Very cool. Howdy neighbor! Way it sounds, they bone you Canucks over there. May wanna come visit our EB's. :-( -- Fester

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> Toronto. They have a sign on the counter saying no refunds on opened > games and only a *one time* exchange on an opened game. We are not the > only ones with this policy because it was discussed in another gaming > group quite some time back when this policy came into effect. It's a > common policy to most EB's from what I can tell. Even the salesperson > made sure I knew the the new policy by coming around the counter and > pointing it out to me (more than once). Made me feel like I had a bad > reputation there or something. :-)

Sorry to hear that. For once, it's not us amerikkkans getting boned, eh? -- Fester

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:35:53 -0400, Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote: >pointing it out to me (more than once). Made me feel like I had a bad >reputation there or something. :-) Speaking of which (the EB policy, not your rep ;-) why couldn't they just say no refunds for people who abuse the policy? Say, a limit of 4-5 no-hassles returns a year, and you need photo ID for a refund? Seems simple enough. Would eliminate the pirates without punishing everyone else. The refund policy was THE reason I shopped at EB in the first place, even back when they always had new releases first and you had to pay extra $ for the privilege. I've spent thousands there over the years, but now really have no reason to shop there.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: >Hehe :). The thing is, I don't really care what there policy is as I'm >protected by my consumer rights. I reject things if they are not up to >scratch. I may buy GP4 just so I can take it back and complain about it. ><G> But if the store doesn't have a refund policy, no amount of bitching will get your money back... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.