NR2002...solution to my problems with patch

I started an earlier thread regarding my problems in running NR2002 since installing the 02 patch. Strangely enough, replacing my DVD-ROM was the solution. The game would run fine using the 01 patch, but not with the new one. Apparently Sierra's copy protection schemes were simply not compatible with my AOpen DVD-ROM, so after buying a Toshiba drive I am now able to play the game once again. I really should send Sierra a bill for that.

Go for it ......... they probably need a good laugh anyway with all the bad mouthing they get LOL ThreeWide wrote:

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> I started an earlier thread regarding my problems in running NR2002 since > installing the 02 patch. > > Strangely enough, replacing my DVD-ROM was the solution. The game would run > fine using the 01 patch, but not with the new one. > > Apparently Sierra's copy protection schemes were simply not compatible with > my AOpen DVD-ROM, so after buying a Toshiba drive I am now able to play the > game once again. > > I really should send Sierra a bill for that.

Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy drive. Or send it to yourself for buying a shoddy drive. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash ThreeWide <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DYjR8.4836$[email hidden]... > I started an earlier thread regarding my problems in running NR2002 since > installing the 02 patch. > > Strangely enough, replacing my DVD-ROM was the solution. The game would run > fine using the 01 patch, but not with the new one. > > Apparently Sierra's copy protection schemes were simply not compatible with > my AOpen DVD-ROM, so after buying a Toshiba drive I am now able to play the > game once again. > > I really should send Sierra a bill for that. > >

Aopen is a consumer as well? The second recommendation was a joke. Its shoddy hardware, don't blame copy -protection, although that IS the consumers fault. If people would quit pirating sw, the companies wouldn't feel they had to use it. Make no mistake, copy protection IS the CONSUMER'S fault, noone elses. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:49:59 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > bleeted: > > >Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy drive. Or send it to yourself > >for buying a shoddy drive. > > That's it, blame the consumer for shoddy software and hardware. Until > copy protection came around there was no problem so the blame lies > solely with those publishers that choose to use it. > > -- > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

WTF are you talking about Biz?? I *BUY* my software, so how is it *MY* fault as a consumer that the dev's copy protection scheme doesnt work on my CD? This is the only industry that the corperations can pull this crap on their customers and still get away with it. After you realize it's your CD you cant take back the crap software because it's been opened. As a consumer I'm freakin po'd... Beyond this is the fact that after I've been screwed by a dev I'm then *MUCH* more likely to download a pirate copy than prior to being screwed. Mitch "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:maqR8.50585$[email hidden]... >Its shoddy hardware, don't > blame copy -protection, although that IS the consumers fault. If peoplewould quit pirating sw, the > companies wouldn't feel they had to use it. Make no mistake, copyprotection IS the CONSUMER'S

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> fault, noone elses. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:49:59 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > > bleeted: > > > > >Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy

drive. Or send it to yourself

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> > >for buying a shoddy drive. > > > > That's it, blame the consumer for shoddy software and hardware. Until > > copy protection came around there was no problem so the blame lies > > solely with those publishers that choose to use it. > > > > -- > > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. > >

Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's at least one that doesn't buy it and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group you and I belong to, so it IS the consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's fault for shoddy crap, when the copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Mitch Alatorre <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XBtR8.207$[email hidden]... > WTF are you talking about Biz?? I *BUY* my software, so how is it *MY* > fault as a consumer that the dev's copy protection scheme doesnt work on my > CD? This is the only industry that the corperations can pull this crap on > their customers and still get away with it. After you realize it's your CD > you cant take back the crap software because it's been opened. As a > consumer I'm freakin po'd... Beyond this is the fact that after I've been > screwed by a dev I'm then *MUCH* more likely to download a pirate copy than > prior to being screwed. > > Mitch > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:maqR8.50585$[email hidden]... > >Its shoddy hardware, don't > > blame copy -protection, although that IS the consumers fault. If people > would quit pirating sw, the > > companies wouldn't feel they had to use it. Make no mistake, copy > protection IS the CONSUMER'S > > fault, noone elses. > > -- > > Biz > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:49:59 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > > > bleeted: > > > > > > >Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy > drive. Or send it to yourself > > > >for buying a shoddy drive. > > > > > > That's it, blame the consumer for shoddy software and hardware. Until > > > copy protection came around there was no problem so the blame lies > > > solely with those publishers that choose to use it. > > > > > > -- > > > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. > > > > > >

Your 1:1 purchase/pirate ratio based on NOTHING except your *ALL KNOWING* is good enough for me. Maybe you can kick down some facts on who's gonna win the world series this year as well ALL KNOWING ONE... Perhaps in YOUR world a theif and a consumer are the same, in the REAL world a theif is a someone who takes something without the owners permission.... Mitch "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ruR8.57902$[email hidden]... > Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's atleast one that doesn't buy it > and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group you andI belong to, so it IS the > consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's faultfor shoddy crap, when the

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> copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Mitch Alatorre <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XBtR8.207$[email hidden]... > > WTF are you talking about Biz?? I *BUY* my software, so how is it *MY* > > fault as a consumer that the dev's copy protection scheme doesnt work on

my > > CD? This is the only industry that the corperations can pull this crapon > > their customers and still get away with it. After you realize it's yourCD > > you cant take back the crap software because it's been opened. As a > > consumer I'm freakin po'd... Beyond this is the fact that after I'vebeen > > screwed by a dev I'm then *MUCH* more likely to download a pirate copythan

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> > prior to being screwed. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:maqR8.50585$[email hidden]... > > >Its shoddy hardware, don't > > > blame copy -protection, although that IS the consumers fault. If

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> > would quit pirating sw, the > > > companies wouldn't feel they had to use it. Make no mistake, copy > > protection IS the CONSUMER'S > > > fault, noone elses. > > > -- > > > Biz > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular

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> > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:49:59 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > > > > bleeted: > > > > > > > > >Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy > > drive. Or send it to yourself > > > > >for buying a shoddy drive. > > > > > > > > That's it, blame the consumer for shoddy software and hardware.

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> > > > copy protection came around there was no problem so the blame lies > > > > solely with those publishers that choose to use it. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <_ruR8.57902$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's at least >one that doesn't buy it >and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group you and I >belong to, so it IS the >consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's fault for >shoddy crap, when the >copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there.

The copy protection only screws the peole who BUY the game. CP schemes don't work with all hardware, so some people can't use what they've paid for. The pirates get versions that actually WORK. So who's winning this war? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <_ruR8.57902$[email hidden]>, "Biz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's at least > >one that doesn't buy it > >and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group you and I > >belong to, so it IS the > >consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's fault for > >shoddy crap, when the > >copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there. > > The copy protection only screws the peole who BUY the game. CP schemes don't > work with all hardware, so some people can't use what they've paid for. The > pirates get versions that actually WORK. > So who's winning this war?

LOL, not to mention that the Pirates get their games before those of us who chooses to buy our games too....crime doesn't pay, right :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Sebastion Melmoth wrote:

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> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:18:50 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > bleeted: > > >>Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's at least one that doesn't buy it >>and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group you and I belong to, so it IS the >>consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's fault for shoddy crap, when the >>copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there. > > > Copy protection isn't going to stop the pirates. Or haven't you > figured that out yet? Again, 'dumbass' would be appropriate here, but > I shall refrain again. Hehe.

Yep. The only ones that benefit from copy protection are the companies that *market* the service to these software companies. Warez being alive & well proves that copy protection does not work as intended. -- Fester

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> Sebastion Melmoth wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:18:50 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> >> bleeted: >> >> >>> Wake up and get a clue, for every person that buys a copy, there's at >>> least one that doesn't buy it >>> and gets a pirated copy...they are part of the same consumer group >>> you and I belong to, so it IS the >>> consumer causing this to happen. It's the hardware manufacturer's >>> fault for shoddy crap, when the >>> copy-protection works on 98% of the drives out there. >> >> >> >> Copy protection isn't going to stop the pirates. Or haven't you >> figured that out yet? Again, 'dumbass' would be appropriate here, but >> I shall refrain again. Hehe. > > > > Yep. The only ones that benefit from copy protection are the companies > that *market* the service to these software companies. Warez being > alive & well proves that copy protection does not work as intended.

And did you hear the latest joke regarding copy protection (it's funny, but true): Warner Bros. released one of its biggest recent DVDs (Harry Potter) without macrovision! This put about US$500.000 more into their pockets for not paying the company producing macrovision. Hmm, why is that piracy thing sometimes not as important as they normally say?? -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

"Ronald Stoehr > > And did you hear the latest joke regarding copy protection (it's funny, > but true): Warner Bros. released one of its biggest recent DVDs (HarryPotter) > without macrovision! This put about US$500.000 more into their pockets fornot > paying the company producing macrovision. Hmm, why is that piracy thingsometimes > not as important as they normally say?? > Which brings up the three most salient points about copy protection. I have NEVER heard in any format of a copy -protected product that has it's price reduced since the cp means everyone who would have pirated now must buy it... and... I have never heard of any company that reduced the price of either a Non cp or cp product. As shown above, whatever they can do to make money, they will. Finally No copy protection ever invented will stop motivated people from cracking it. dave henrie

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> > Which brings up the three most salient points about copy protection. > I have NEVER heard in any format of a copy -protected product that has > it's price reduced since the cp means everyone who would have pirated now > must buy it... > and... > I have never heard of any company that reduced the price of either a Non > cp or cp product. As shown above, whatever they can do to make money, they > will. > Finally No copy protection ever invented will stop motivated people from > cracking it.

After a post like that, all I can say is.... "We're not worthy ! We're not worthy !" Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, Sebastion Melmoth <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On 24 Jun 2002 16:06:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) >bleeted: > > >>The copy protection only screws the peole who BUY the game. CP schemes >don't >>work with all hardware, so some people can't use what they've paid for. The >>pirates get versions that actually WORK. >>So who's winning this war? >> >>Eldred > >Yep, lost of people who just bought Never Winter Nights (RPG) can't >even install the game because of CP.

Oh damn - on what systems? There are a couple people in the office who want that game... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <bTnR8.50372$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Actually, you should send the bill to Aopen for producing a shoddy drive. Or >send it to yourself >for buying a shoddy drive. But if EVERYTHING ELSE runs on that drive, how can you blame the drive? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <maqR8.50585$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Aopen is a consumer as well? The second recommendation was a joke. Its >shoddy hardware, don't >blame copy -protection, although that IS the consumers fault. If people >would quit pirating sw, the >companies wouldn't feel they had to use it. Make no mistake, copy protection >IS the CONSUMER'S >fault, noone elses.

Wrong, Biz. Not the consumer's fault. Consumers actually BUY the games they want. You should be blaming the pirates alone. Nevermind that the copy protection doesn't work for shit - witness the proliferation of warez copies flying around. The pirates don't CARE, they find a way around every scheme that's been devised so far. If the CP worked, and no one could get a warez version, then I'd be all for it. As it stands, the only people who get screwed are the honest people who buy the game, then find it doesn't work on their system because of a non-standard CD format... :-( I can't believe you continue to stand behind such a f'ed up, ineffective idea. Do you work for a publisher or copy protection shop? Those would be the only two camps that should like this crap... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.