"Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There was a GP3 demo a few weeks after GP3 came out
Dunno about GP4 - they might be too embarrased
Doug
"Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work
> (good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds
> disappointing.......
>
Just read back down to archives of this NG.
I think the opinions are about 80% this sucks and 20% this rocks
Doug
"Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work
> (good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds
> disappointing.......
>
>Its not bad but would better be described as a GP3 service pack. All the
irritating features (black flags etc) remain.
Sounds like you need to suck a lot of rocks in order to enjoy GP4 then :)
I've found it okay, but its no match for GT3 on the PS2
DaViD
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> > "Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aff07a$1ec2$[email hidden]... > > Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work > > (good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds > > disappointing....... > > > > Just read back down to archives of this NG. > > I think the opinions are about 80% this sucks and 20% this rocks > > Doug > >Hey peps,
Anyone know if there's a Grand Prix 4 demo? If so where can I download it
from?
Thanks,
Jeff
Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work
(good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds
disappointing.......
Thanks,
Jeff
"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Hey peps,
> >
> > Anyone know if there's a Grand Prix 4 demo? If so where can I downloadit
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> > from? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > There was a GP3 demo a few weeks after GP3 came out > > Dunno about GP4 - they might be too embarrased > > Doug > >
"Jeff Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GP 2 should do nicely<G>
John
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> Hey peps, > > Anyone know if there's a Grand Prix 4 demo? If so where can I download it > from? > > Thanks, > > JeffOn Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:32:46 -0400, Steve Lane <[email hidden]>
wrote:
They are just 2 different programs which cater quite a different
audience (or rather, desire; when just going for a drive, use GT3,
when you want some more serious driving, use GP4 or better F12k2).
>P.S. Made the mistake of getting PS1 game Final Fantasy VII for PS2,
>many this game is complete crap. Any suggestions for some excellent
>games on the PS2 are appreciated.
GTA3 is great; you need quite a nice PC to match the PS2
performance-wise, it turned out here.
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
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>On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:34:21 +0100, "David" <[email hidden]> >posted: > >>Sounds like you need to suck a lot of rocks in order to enjoy GP4 then :) >> >>I've found it okay, but its no match for GT3 on the PS2 > >We just got a PS2 system yesterday and the first game I have played on >it is GT3. Now I don't have a wheel for it so it's hard to compare. >But, my first opion of GT3 is that while it has lots to offer, it >borders more on arcade racer than simulation and is no match for even >GP3/4 on a PC. I will have some fun with GT3 on the PS2, but my bread >and butter simming will be done on the PC. I rate GT3 physics on about >the same scale as SCGT on the PC, maybe a bit worse in fact.
"Steve Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> We just got a PS2 system yesterday and the first game I have played on
> it is GT3. Now I don't have a wheel for it so it's hard to compare.
> But, my first opion of GT3 is that while it has lots to offer, it
> borders more on arcade racer than simulation and is no match for even
> GP3/4 on a PC.
Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with tyre
wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade mode
it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:15:00 -0400, Steve Lane <[email hidden]>
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That's true. For some people graphics is the only thing they see. ;-)
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
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>On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:14:58 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) >posted: > > >>They are just 2 different programs which cater quite a different >>audience (or rather, desire; when just going for a drive, use GT3, >>when you want some more serious driving, use GP4 or better F12k2). > >Yes, I understand that. But when you get these guys comning in here >and making out like it blows anything away on the PC, well, it's just >BS.In article <[email hidden]>, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with tyre
>wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
>just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade mode
>it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.
You can turn off the driving aids in "arcade" mode. Well, ABS is
non-defeatable in *any* mode. I don't really discern a difference in the
physics between the modes. Turn the same lap times. Do you really think
there is any difference? Yes, tire wear (mediocre model) and pitting are
missing in arcade. AI is absolutely horrid in all modes.
Don't get me wrong, I think GT3 is one terrific game and maybe worth the
getting a PS2 for all alone. The graphics are great, the sound excellent,
the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racing simulation.
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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:32:01 +0100, "Nick" <[email hidden]>
> posted:
> >Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, withtyre
> >wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
> >just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcademode
It's nowhere near N2002 or GPL, but it's quite good. I think any Logitech
USB wheel will also work on a PS2, but don't buy one just for GT3. Did you
try the professional difficulty in simulation mode? It doesn't allow
traction control, stability control or anything. Taking a Viper out at
Laguna Seca on that mode is as fun as it gets. Oh, and if you ever do try a
wheel, change the settings to sim instead of beginner (which is the default
wheel setting) so it doesn't do any 'steering help'. Have fun.
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> >it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better. > > > I did try it simulation mode too. I like it but it doesn't have the > high fidelity feel of a N2002 to me. As you say though, I should > really try it with a wheel in all fairness. But I don't want to have > to buy another expensive wheel. Already have two. PS2 is in the living > room anyway and there is no where to attach a wheel. It will have to > be played using a gamepad unfortunately.
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Nick"<[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, withtyre
> >wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
> >just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcademode
> >it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think GT3 is one terrific game and maybe worth the
> getting a PS2 for all alone. The graphics are great, the sound excellent,
> the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racingsimulation.
I never said it was, and I don't think it is the last word in simulation. It
just gets better the deeper you go.
In article <[email hidden]>, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote:
I never said you said it was ;-)
[from another post of yours]
> Did you try the professional difficulty in simulation mode? It doesn't allow
> traction control, stability control or anything.
I'm confused. Isn't "professional difficulty" in arcade mode, ie the one
that requires hitting the L2+R2 buttons or somesuch after clearing the
difficult level? In the sim mode, you always have the choice of how much
traction and/or stability control to use from the Change Settings menu. ABS,
on the other hand, is always on. No way to disable. In the arcade mode, you
can choose to disable traction & stability from the Options menu. Perhaps it
is automatically turned off in "professional"?
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>"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>The graphics are great, the sound excellent, >> the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racing simulation. > >I never said it was, and I don't think it is the last word in simulation. It >just gets better the deeper you go.
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm confused. Isn't "professional difficulty" in arcade mode, ie the one
> that requires hitting the L2+R2 buttons or somesuch after clearing the
> difficult level? In the sim mode, you always have the choice of how much
> traction and/or stability control to use from the Change Settings menu.ABS,
> on the other hand, is always on. No way to disable. In the arcade mode,you
> can choose to disable traction & stability from the Options menu. Perhapsit
> is automatically turned off in "professional"?
There is 'arcade' professional (hold L1+R1 on the difficulty screen), and
'simulation' professional. More things change than just the state of the
driving aids, so turning the aids off in easy mode isn't the same as driving
on the professional mode in the GT side of the game.
