RASCAR/Las Vegas

Thank goodness Daytona is next week. Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive understeer. I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers, mainly because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars actually handle half decently? David G Fisher

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> Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > understeer. > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers, mainly > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > actually handle half decently? > > David G Fisher > > >

Were you using the fast setup? I'm questioning my own ability to keep the car on the track for 107 laps. My best time so far is 33.053, but that was REALLY pushing it (for me). It's tough to get a handle on the setup. If you enter a turn to hot, and lift too suddenly, the rear end will swing around on you. If you ease it into the turn and get the left front on the apron, it'll push into the wall. And all of that is WITHOUT having traffic to deal with. I hope everyone's got their head screwed on straight tomorrow... -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > understeer. > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers,mainly > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > actually handle half decently? > > David G FisherDavid......everything you need to know about how these cars are "meant" to handle can be learned by obtaining one very large, very powerful American car and taking it out into the woods, or a field, and whomping the hell out of it till it's dead. Stockers are heavy.....they feel heavy....and they wallow around on their springs like the little doggy in the back window. The only thing that could possibly be better than whomping on the aforementioned car, would be 2 cars, and your best friend driving the other one. THEN you got yourself a race! And you gotta let off early into 1 at Lost Wages, and when you think it's time to push the gas, wait...not yet...then push the gas down slowly and smoothly till your straight again, down the back. 3 is all about not crashing till you can get back on the gas thru 4. Works for me, YMMV -- Ed White 'Just a little loose off'

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > understeer. > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers,mainly > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > actually handle half decently? > > David G Fisher Because they'd rather use something called human input instead<G> Sorry, couldn't resist. Btw, the key to being fast at Vegas is let off early, roll through the corners, and blast out on exit. It's actually a great track for green racing. John > >

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> In article <i76T8.178296$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > > understeer. > > > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers,

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> > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > > actually handle half decently? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > Were you using the fast setup? > I'm questioning my own ability to keep the car on the track for 107 > laps. My best time so far is 33.053, but that was REALLY pushing it > (for me). It's tough to get a handle on the setup. > > If you enter a turn to hot, and lift too suddenly, the rear end will > swing around on you. If you ease it into the turn and get the left > front on the apron, it'll push into the wall. > > And all of that is WITHOUT having traffic to deal with. I hope > everyone's got their head screwed on straight tomorrow...

Yes, I was boss so I set the race to force the fast setup. Pretty much what I experienced. Tires seem to go off pretty quickly too. I predict bad, bad things. :-) David G Fisher

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > > understeer. > > > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers, > mainly > > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > > actually handle half decently? > > > > David G Fisher > > > Because they'd rather use something called human input instead<G>

Sorry, > couldn't resist. Btw, the key to being fast at Vegas is let off early,roll > through the corners, and blast out on exit. > > It's actually a great track for green racing. > > John They don't need to completely redesign the cars, but how about just a 20% improvement? :-) I use that technique, but it just seems like another tedious track for these cars. Based on what I saw in that Papy race, I'm going to expect many yellows tomorrow. I hope people relax for the first 2/3 of the race, and make their passes early on the straights or there could be a lot of yellows. In comparison, I had a fantastic Texas pick up race on a Papy server the other day. Clean, tight racing for much of it. David G Fisher

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > > understeer. > > > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers, > mainly > > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > > actually handle half decently? > > > > David G Fisher > David......everything you need to know about how these cars are "meant" to > handle can be learned by obtaining one very large, very powerful American > car and taking it out into the woods, or a field, and whomping the hell

out > of it till it's dead. Stockers are heavy.....they feel heavy....and they > wallow around on their springs like the little doggy in the back window.The > only thing that could possibly be better than whomping on theaforementioned

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> car, would be 2 cars, and your best friend driving the other one. THEN you > got yourself a race! > And you gotta let off early into 1 at Lost Wages, and when you think it's > time to push the gas, wait...not yet...then push the gas down slowly and > smoothly till your straight again, down the back. 3 is all about not > crashing till you can get back on the gas thru 4. Works for me, YMMV > > -- > Ed White > 'Just a little loose off'

They don't always feel like you describe though. It just seems to me there are too many tracks like Homestead or Las Vegas where I'm driving around and thinking, "What's the point?" Cars just handle badly at tracks like those. At Texas or Lowes, they really are a lot of fun. Even Bristol and Dover are pretty good. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Yes, I was boss so I set the race to force the? fast setup. > > Pretty much what I experienced. Tires seem to > go off pretty quickly too. > > I predict bad, bad things. :-) Just ease up a little to the 33.4s - 33.6s range... makes a world of difference. This isn't F1, ya know. Jan. =---

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > Yes, I was boss so I set the race to force the > ? fast setup. > > > > Pretty much what I experienced. Tires seem to > > go off pretty quickly too. > > > > I predict bad, bad things. :-) > > Just ease up a little to the 33.4s - 33.6s range... makes a world of > difference. This isn't F1, ya know. > > Jan.

Oh, I know. That's why I finished third without one incident. The problem was avoiding the Jan like chaos around me. ;-o David G Fisher (who still thinks we need more RASCAR trash talk)

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O67T8.2434$[email hidden]... > > > I predict bad, bad things. :-) > > > > Just ease up a little to the 33.4s - 33.6s range... makes a world of > > difference. This isn't F1, ya know. > > > > Jan. > > Oh, I know. That's why I finished third without one incident. The problem > was avoiding the Jan like chaos around me. ;-o > > David G Fisher (who still thinks we need more RASCAR trash talk) >

OK...ok...ok... Dave, when yer gonna have a screen freeze, don't just aim at me... > David G Fisher (who still thinks we need more RASCAR trash talk) > ;o) Brian

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > > > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > > > > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > > > understeer. > > > > > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers, > > mainly > > > because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > > > > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > > > actually handle half decently? > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > Because they'd rather use something called human input instead<G> > Sorry, > > couldn't resist. Btw, the key to being fast at Vegas is let off early, > roll > > through the corners, and blast out on exit. > > > > It's actually a great track for green racing. > > > > John > > They don't need to completely redesign the cars, but how about just a 20% > improvement? :-)

Why don't you lobby Papy to give us another 1/4-inch of rear spoiler... :) > I use that technique, but it just seems like another tedious track for these > cars. It's only tedious because of the setup. If we copuld make/use something other than the fast setup, the cars would handly much more predictably. > Based on what I saw in that Papy race, I'm going to expect many yellows > tomorrow. I hope people relax for the first 2/3 of the race, and make their > passes early on the straights or there could be a lot of yellows. In > comparison, I had a fantastic Texas pick up race on a Papy server the other > day. Clean, tight racing for much of it. Lots of yellows unless Lord Eldred turns cautions off... :) -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

>It's only tedious because of the setup. If we copuld make/use >something other than the fast setup, the cars would handly much more >predictably. When I mentioned this last week it was pointed out that not everyone knows how to make setups. I don't think anyone could make a setup more ill handling for this track that <fast> :-) Dan

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >It's only tedious because of the setup. If we copuld make/use > >something other than the fast setup, the cars would handly much more > >predictably. > > When I mentioned this last week it was pointed out that not everyone knowshow > to make setups. I don't think anyone could make a setup more ill handlingfor > this track that <fast> :-) > Dan Sheesh, what a bunch of whiners ! Anybody can drive a perfectly setup car............adapt to the setup !!!!! Quit trying to drive it like YOU think it should/want it to be, and drive it is instead. SUAD!!!!!!! (Shut Up And Drive) This ain't F1............the driver's still required to do something with stockers !!!!! John p.s. In case anyone wonders.........I'm just agreeing with Dave's idea; MORE RASCAR TRASH TALK !!!!!!! <VBG>

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:22:23 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >They don't always feel like you describe though. It just seems to me there >are too many tracks like Homestead or Las Vegas where I'm driving around and >thinking, "What's the point?" Cars just handle badly at tracks like those. >At Texas or Lowes, they really are a lot of fun. Even Bristol and Dover are >pretty good. Ugh. Texas/Lowes/Atlanta/Kansas/Chicago should be fucking burned to the ground. I'm not kidding. Jason

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:24:06 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Sheesh, what a bunch of whiners ! Anybody can drive a perfectly setup >car............adapt to the setup !!!!! Quit trying to drive it like YOU >think it should/want it to be, and drive it is instead. I think the fast setups that come with the game are great, altho not perfect. Anything I would personally change to go faster would also make the cars harder to drive for the most part. So when are you going to get your Vegas fast-setup times down into the 32.7 range so we can have a race tommorrow? =) Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can race. Jason

How many of you are shifting in the corners? /Carl "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i76T8.178296$[email hidden]... > Thank goodness Daytona is next week. > > Las Vegas is another track where these cars handle terribly. Massive > understeer. > > I finished third out of 32 in a race on one of the Papy open servers,mainly

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> because I was one of the few who didn't wash up into the wall or crash. > > Why doesn't NASCAR use something called technology and make these cars > actually handle half decently? > > David G Fisher > >

"Carl Ribbegaardh" wrote... > How many of you are shifting in the corners? Eh? -Kidding, right? Jan. =---

In article <afjt9v$f46lj$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > How many of you are shifting in the corners? > So far, I've only shifted in the corners when accelerating from the position where I have to rest after I hit the outside wall. Seriously, you shouldn't need to shift at vegas. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:24:06 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Sheesh, what a bunch of whiners ! Anybody can drive a perfectly setup > >car............adapt to the setup !!!!! Quit trying to drive it like YOU > >think it should/want it to be, and drive it is instead. > > I think the fast setups that come with the game are great, altho not > perfect. Anything I would personally change to go faster would also > make the cars harder to drive for the most part. > > So when are you going to get your Vegas fast-setup times down into the > 32.7 range so we can have a race tommorrow? =) > > Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully > I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can > race. > > Jason

Lol, yeah, me too; I'm back to working 8-10 hours on Saturdays. No Rascar for me. John >

No, I'm not kidding. I ran a test race there for ESCORS. I run 33.24 as best, but there was a guy that was running low 32, so I watched him from his cockpit. He was shifting down when he just had finished braking, and shifting up between apex and the wall. So I guess that's the way to go. (If the gearbox can handle that many shifts ;-) /Carl "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y1fT8.2963$[email hidden]...

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> "Carl Ribbegaardh" wrote... > > How many of you are shifting in the corners? > > Eh? -Kidding, right? > > Jan. > =--- > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully >I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can >race. Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd gladly sell my computer. I guess the grass is always greener... Eldred - single... -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Ugh. Texas/Lowes/Atlanta/Kansas/Chicago should be fucking burned to >the ground. I'm not kidding. I *like* Atlanta ans Lowe's. I don't have enough laps on the other tracks yet to have that strong of an opinion...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <afkbo5$f6bgu$[email hidden]>, "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>No, I'm not kidding. > >I ran a test race there for ESCORS. >I run 33.24 as best, but there was a guy that was running low 32, so I >watched him from his cockpit. He was shifting down when he just had finished >braking, and shifting up between apex and the wall. >So I guess that's the way to go. (If the gearbox can handle that many shifts

There are a couple of tracks that I should probably shift on, too. My problem is that I have to go so slow in the turns just to make it that the engine bogs down. And, since I'm running auto-shift, the trans doesn't always shft down in time. If I could carry the speed that others do, that wouldn't be an issue. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> moyer) writes: > > >Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully > >I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can > >race. > > Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd > gladly sell my computer. > I guess the grass is always greener... > > Eldred - single... > --

Losing in sim racing is not nearly as annoying or painful as losing in that other game. Trust me being single is as green as it gets ( pasturewise ). O course YMMV. ;o) Elrikk

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> In article <afkbo5$f6bgu$[email hidden]>, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >No, I'm not kidding. > > > >I ran a test race there for ESCORS. > >I run 33.24 as best, but there was a guy that was running low 32, so I > >watched him from his cockpit. He was shifting down when he just had finished > >braking, and shifting up between apex and the wall. > >So I guess that's the way to go. (If the gearbox can handle that many shifts > > There are a couple of tracks that I should probably shift on, too. My problem > is that I have to go so slow in the turns just to make it that the engine bogs > down. And, since I'm running auto-shift, the trans doesn't always shft down in > time. If I could carry the speed that others do, that wouldn't be an issue. > > Eldred >

Turn off auto-shift and auto-brake - you'll be faster and *still* in control of your car. The only auto thing I have turned on is clutch. It's okay to lug the engine - you can better avoid getting loose as you accelerate, and it saves wear and tear on Papy's woefully fragile transmission. I only shift down if I'm trying to regain control of the car(to avoid hitting the outside wall) after I've over-driven into the turns. BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the turns at ovals without sacrificing a LOT of speed. The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others but I honestly can't remember which ones. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway. I'm on my second marriage, and my current wife knows that I race as a hobby, and knows there's nothing she can do to keep me from doing it. At the same time, I only race in one league or group at a time. RASCAR is the perfect group for guys with chicks (be they girlfriends or wives). You don't have to worry about endless setup tweaking, we're not running for points, and it's okay to miss a race now and then without losing touch with the rest of us. Just practice once or twice during the week (30-60 minutes), and race whenever possible. If your current flame can't handle it, remind her that she'd have to put up with sexual advances 24/7 because you have nothing else to otherwise occupy your time. But no matter what you do, fer god's sake be a fuckin man about it. In article <6KjT8.39300$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (jason > > moyer) writes: > > > > >Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully > > >I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can > > >race. > > > > Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd > > gladly sell my computer. > > I guess the grass is always greener... > > > > Eldred - single... > > -- > > Losing in sim racing is not nearly as annoying or painful as losing in that > other game. > > Trust me being single is as green as it gets ( pasturewise ). > > O course YMMV. ;o) > > Elrikk > > >

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> You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway. > > I'm on my second marriage, and my current wife knows that I race as a > hobby, and knows there's nothing she can do to keep me from doing it. > At the same time, I only race in one league or group at a time. > > RASCAR is the perfect group for guys with chicks (be they girlfriends or > wives). You don't have to worry about endless setup tweaking, we're not > running for points, and it's okay to miss a race now and then without > losing touch with the rest of us. Just practice once or twice during > the week (30-60 minutes), and race whenever possible. > > If your current flame can't handle it, remind her that she'd have to put > up with sexual advances 24/7 because you have nothing else to otherwise > occupy your time. > > But no matter what you do, fer god's sake be a fuckin man about it. > > > In article <6KjT8.39300$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > (jason > > > moyer) writes: > > > > > > >Actually, Saturday is apparently girlfriend-day now. Woo. Hopefully > > > >I can convince her to visit family or something some weekend so I can > > > >race. > > > > > > Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing -

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> > other game. > > > > Trust me being single is as green as it gets ( pasturewise ). > > > > O course YMMV. ;o) > > > > Elrikk > > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Do you have an N2k2Rank? What's your best time at Las Vegas? /Carl > BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the turns > at ovals without sacrificing a LOT of speed. > > The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the > fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others > but I honestly can't remember which ones.

Yeah, I'm on NR2k rank, but I haven't updated it with my new times from sears or vegas. 33.053, and that's hanging it out there without regard for traffic. I've found that tire wear and fuel consuption (not to mention car control) are at their most efficient when I'm running 33.3's and 33.4's. In article <afkk5m$fapdo$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Do you have an N2k2Rank? > > What's your best time at Las Vegas? > > /Carl > > > BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the turns > > at ovals without sacrificing a LOT of speed. > > > > The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the > > fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others > > but I honestly can't remember which ones. >

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On 29 Jun 2002 13:36:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd >gladly sell my computer. >I guess the grass is always greener... Hey now, look at it this way. Sim-racing is by far the cheaper of the 2 activities. :) Jason

"John Simmons" wrote: > You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway. Another classic quote! I'd show the wife but she might get cross <G> Tony

"John Simmons" wrote: > You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway.-------------------------------------------- I had to tell my girlfriend to start coming over at 7PM my time instead of 4PM, so I could race with you guys. When she asked why she couldn't come over at 4, I said, because I'm racing at 4, that's why. She comes over at 7:30 now. :-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

> You guys gotta cowboy up and not get ***-whipped into giving up your > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway. -------------------------------------------- I had to tell my girlfriend to start coming over at 7PM my time instead of 4PM, so I could race with you guys. When she asked why she couldn't come over at 4, I said, because I'm racing at 4, that's why. She comes over at 7:30 now. :-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Maybe you need to shift ;-) /Carl "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yeah, I'm on NR2k rank, but I haven't updated it with my new times from > sears or vegas. > > 33.053, and that's hanging it out there without regard for traffic. > > I've found that tire wear and fuel consuption (not to mention car > control) are at their most efficient when I'm running 33.3's and 33.4's. > > > In article <afkk5m$fapdo$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Do you have an N2k2Rank? > > > > What's your best time at Las Vegas? > > > > /Carl > > > > > BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the

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Maybe you need to shift ;-) /Carl

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> Yeah, I'm on NR2k rank, but I haven't updated it with my new times from > sears or vegas. > 33.053, and that's*** it out there without regard for traffic. > I've found that tire wear and fuel consuption (not to mention car > control) are at their most efficient when I'm running 33.3's and 33.4's. > > Do you have an N2k2Rank? > > What's your best time at Las Vegas? > > /Carl > > > BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the

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In article <zonT8.56742$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> says...

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> "John Simmons" wrote: > > > You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway. > -------------------------------------------- > > I had to tell my girlfriend to start coming over at 7PM my time instead of > 4PM, so I could race with you guys. > When she asked why she couldn't come over at 4, I said, because I'm racing > at 4, that's why. She comes over at 7:30 now. :-) >

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LOL In article <afl0eo$f1a0f$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Maybe you need to shift ;-) > > /Carl > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yeah, I'm on NR2k rank, but I haven't updated it with my new times from > > sears or vegas. > > > > 33.053, and that's hanging it out there without regard for traffic. > > > > I've found that tire wear and fuel consuption (not to mention car > > control) are at their most efficient when I'm running 33.3's and 33.4's. > > > > In article <afkk5m$fapdo$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Do you have an N2k2Rank? > > > > > > What's your best time at Las Vegas? > > >

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> Maybe you need to shift ;-) > /Carl > > Yeah, I'm on NR2k rank, but I haven't updated it with my new times from > > sears or vegas. > > 33.053, and that's*** it out there without regard for traffic. > > I've found that tire wear and fuel consuption (not to mention car > > control) are at their most efficient when I'm running 33.3's and 33.4's. > > > Do you have an N2k2Rank? > > > What's your best time at Las Vegas?

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Yeah, it's a lot cheaper to quit too ! -Larry "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 29 Jun 2002 13:36:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd > >gladly sell my computer. > >I guess the grass is always greener... > > Hey now, look at it this way. Sim-racing is by far the cheaper of the > 2 activities. :) > > Jason > >

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Turn off auto-shift and auto-brake - you'll be faster and *still* in >control of your car. The only auto thing I have turned on is clutch. The auto-shifting has been the only concession I've made. I had to do that because of the pull to the right. It was difficult for me to be able to hold the wheel correctly to go down the straight, but still be able to hit the shift buttons. In other sims, since I'm not shifting *in* the turns, it itn's an issue. When the tire stagger in N2002, that means I'm essentially in the turn all the time(because I have to turn the wheel to the right). In other words, I got tired of crashing while trying to shift, so I went to auto trans... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:10:43 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Turn off auto-shift and auto-brake - you'll be faster and *still* in >control of your car. The only auto thing I have turned on is clutch. Same here. Turning on any of the driving assists besides auto-clutch will hurt your lap times. I'm sure papy did this on purpose... thankfully.

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> >It's okay to lug the engine - you can better avoid getting loose as you >accelerate, and it saves wear and tear on Papy's woefully fragile >transmission. I only shift down if I'm trying to regain control of the >car(to avoid hitting the outside wall) after I've over-driven into the >turns. > >BTW, most of the fast setups are geared wrong for shifting in the turns >at ovals without sacrificing a LOT of speed. > >The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the >fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others >but I honestly can't remember which ones.

Mart & Indy??? The ONLY oval I shift at is Pocono. I suppose that you could increase lap times in some of the other ovals by shifting with auto-clutch on since you don't even need to lift. However, in real life shifting is not an advantage, otherwise the real guys would be doing it. Brian Oster

On 29 Jun 2002 21:09:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Turn off auto-shift and auto-brake - you'll be faster and *still* in >>control of your car. The only auto thing I have turned on is clutch. > >The auto-shifting has been the only concession I've made. I had to do that >because of the pull to the right. It was difficult for me to be able to hold >the wheel correctly to go down the straight, but still be able to hit the shift >buttons. In other sims, since I'm not shifting *in* the turns, it itn's an >issue. When the tire stagger in N2002, that means I'm essentially in the turn >all the time(because I have to turn the wheel to the right). >In other words, I got tired of crashing while trying to shift, so I went to >auto trans... > >Eldred

What wheel do you use? I have the MSFF wheel and it is pretty easy to shift using the built in shift buttons on the under-side of the wheel (I know they have a name but I don't know what it is). Besides with auto-shift on you can' do the victory burn out. Brian Oster

LOL. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:29:04 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Yeah, it's a lot cheaper to quit too ! > >-Larry > >"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On 29 Jun 2002 13:36:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >> >Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd >> >gladly sell my computer. >> >I guess the grass is always greener... >> >> Hey now, look at it this way. Sim-racing is by far the cheaper of the >> 2 activities. :) >> >> Jason >> >> >

In article <[email hidden]>, bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says...

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> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:10:43 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the > >fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others > >but I honestly can't remember which ones. > > Mart & Indy??? The ONLY oval I shift at is Pocono. I suppose that you > could increase lap times in some of the other ovals by shifting with > auto-clutch on since you don't even need to lift. However, in real > life shifting is not an advantage, otherwise the real guys would be > doing it. >

I don't shift at Pocono at all (with the fast setup). It worked out well in the last Pocono race for me. I only needed one pitstop when everyone else needed two - fuel mileage and tire management won the day for me. Marty needs the downshift, and so does Indy (for me with the fast setup). -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says...

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> On 29 Jun 2002 21:09:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons > ><[email hidden]> writes: > > > >>Turn off auto-shift and auto-brake - you'll be faster and *still* in > >>control of your car. The only auto thing I have turned on is clutch. > > > >The auto-shifting has been the only concession I've made. I had to do that > >because of the pull to the right. It was difficult for me to be able to hold > >the wheel correctly to go down the straight, but still be able to hit the shift > >buttons. In other sims, since I'm not shifting *in* the turns, it itn's an > >issue. When the tire stagger in N2002, that means I'm essentially in the turn > >all the time(because I have to turn the wheel to the right). > >In other words, I got tired of crashing while trying to shift, so I went to > >auto trans... > > > >Eldred > > What wheel do you use? I have the MSFF wheel and it is pretty easy to > shift using the built in shift buttons on the under-side of the wheel > (I know they have a name but I don't know what it is). Besides with > auto-shift on you can' do the victory burn out. > > Brian Oster >

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes:

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>On 29 Jun 2002 13:36:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Hmm. If I had a choice between having a girlfriend, and sim racing - I'd >>gladly sell my computer. >>I guess the grass is always greener... > >Hey now, look at it this way. Sim-racing is by far the cheaper of the >2 activities. :)

But it isn't the most FUN...<g> And how much have YOU spent on system upgrades to run the latest games...? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I personally prefer analog wheels. I don't need Force feedback, and >using buttons or paddles is just plain unnatural. I don't think I could deal with the paddles, but I've never tried such a wheel. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: >What wheel do you use? I have the MSFF wheel and it is pretty easy to >shift using the built in shift buttons on the under-side of the wheel >(I know they have a name but I don't know what it is). Besides with >auto-shift on you can' do the victory burn out. TSW2mod. The shift buttons are on the front of the steering wheel. Easy to hit with my thumbs while going straight, but not so easy in a turn. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:41:27 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:10:43 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with the >> >fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others >> >but I honestly can't remember which ones. >> >> Mart & Indy??? The ONLY oval I shift at is Pocono. I suppose that you >> could increase lap times in some of the other ovals by shifting with >> auto-clutch on since you don't even need to lift. However, in real >> life shifting is not an advantage, otherwise the real guys would be >> doing it. >> > >I don't shift at Pocono at all (with the fast setup). It worked out >well in the last Pocono race for me. I only needed one pitstop when >everyone else needed two - fuel mileage and tire management won the day >for me.

With the Papy fast setups I think that is starting to become the winning strategy every week. If you can take care of the RF better than everyone else you have the best shot at winning. > >Marty needs the downshift, and so does Indy (for me with the fast >setup). Guess I'll have to try it. I haven't run the fast setup at Marty but my setups all require quite a bit of throttle control. If I was in 3rd I would spin out for sure. I wonder if any of the real Winstion Cup drivers shift anywhere else besides Pocono? Brian Oster

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> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:41:27 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > With the Papy fast setups I think that is starting to become the > winning strategy every week. If you can take care of the RF better > than everyone else you have the best shot at winning. > > > > >Marty needs the downshift, and so does Indy (for me with the fast > >setup). > > Guess I'll have to try it. I haven't run the fast setup at Marty but > my setups all require quite a bit of throttle control. If I was in > 3rd I would spin out for sure. I wonder if any of the real Winstion > Cup drivers shift anywhere else besides Pocono? >

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"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:41:27 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > >bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:10:43 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >The only oval track I can think of that I shift at on purpose (with

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> >> >fast setup) are Martinsville and Indy. There may be one or two others > >> >but I honestly can't remember which ones. > >> > >> Mart & Indy??? The ONLY oval I shift at is Pocono. I suppose that you > >> could increase lap times in some of the other ovals by shifting with > >> auto-clutch on since you don't even need to lift. However, in real > >> life shifting is not an advantage, otherwise the real guys would be > >> doing it. > >> > > > >I don't shift at Pocono at all (with the fast setup). It worked out > >well in the last Pocono race for me. I only needed one pitstop when > >everyone else needed two - fuel mileage and tire management won the day > >for me. > > With the Papy fast setups I think that is starting to become the > winning strategy every week. If you can take care of the RF better > than everyone else you have the best shot at winning. > > > > >Marty needs the downshift, and so does Indy (for me with the fast > >setup). > > Guess I'll have to try it. I haven't run the fast setup at Marty but > my setups all require quite a bit of throttle control. If I was in > 3rd I would spin out for sure. I wonder if any of the real Winstion > Cup drivers shift anywhere else besides Pocono? > > Brian Oster

Only place the big boys shift is at Pocono and the road courses. John

On 30 Jun 2002 04:01:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >But it isn't the most FUN...<g> That's debatable. :) >And how much have YOU spent on system upgrades to run the latest games...? $500 in the last 2 years, $700 since 1995. By comparison, while you guys were off running at Vegas yesterday, I was spending $60 on a decent dinner for my woman. Jason

Hi guys, Let me start off by saying that after reviewing the race several times, I agree that compared to most of the rest of you, I was not leaving as much room for error when being overtaken. That said, I'd like to point out several points in my defence (this all came about on lap 84, restarting from yellow, I was in the lead on older tires, guys behind me had newer tires): -I have not run any other races this year other than 3 RASCAR races (no time). I came 4th at both Pocono and Sears Point and ran very convervatively. I was extremely happy to just finish those races and felt I drove clean and consistently. Nobody had complained about my conduct at that time. I felt I could push a bit now that I had those races under my belt. -I had never turned a lap at Vegas prior to Friday night, at which time I practiced for several hours, most of which was running in traffic against the AI -I was second in the half-hour warmup with a time of 32.925. I felt that I was a fairly fast driver in comparison to the field. -I did not cause a single caution. I got nerfed once by the 7 car (see John Simmons' race recap) but from my replay, it looked like he warped into me and it was not his fault. -taking the green at lap 84 in the lead, I knew I would be passed several times by the end of the race. I figured I had a 5th-10th placed car. -I was very surprised how fast the 27 car came up behind me in the first turn. I got out of the way at the exit of the turn as quick as I could and ran the outside of the corners for 2 laps, allowing 6 cars to go by without incident. -on lap 86, the 98 car was about two carlengths behind me. We went into T1 and he didn't make a move to the inside to show he wanted to pass, so I took the inside line. I guess I misjudged the closure rate, because in the middle of T1 he suddenly came up behind me and braked hard to avoid rear-ending me. It happened too fast for me to do anything about it. -this incident caused the field behind me to slow down. I ran the racing line for two laps until they caught me again. I guess the incident had spooked the field that I wasn't going to give the inside line, and started to try and pass me on the outside. That caught me totally by surprise and I ran several laps in the middle of the track in fear, which I imagine would cause other drivers to think I was blocking or holding them up intentionally. In short, it looks like my inexperience of running in multiplayer traffic at Vegas ruffled some feathers. It surprises me a bit because RAS is basically open to anyone, and I think there will be drivers making a lot more mistakes than myself! Suggestions on how to better handle situations like this much appreciated! It was a really fun race. Thanks, -Phasor

"Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U_QT8.103092$[email hidden]... > -I was very surprised how fast the 27 car came up behind me in the first > turn. I got out of the way at the exit of the turn as quick as I couldand > ran the outside of the corners for 2 laps, allowing 6 cars to go bywithout > incident. I can vouch for that, as I was about 5th or 6th and I remember thinking to myself that the #8 car was heading backwards real quick :-) I thought you were being very considerate, by not cutting down to the lower groove and trying to stay at the absolute front of the field. Can't say anything about what happened after that though...