Best console for racing?

I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games? I'm not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly street car racing. Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm not replacing my video card for games.

you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you are willing to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the price of a console system and 1 game for it. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got > me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games?I'm > not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly streetcar > racing. > > Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'mnot > replacing my video card for games. > >

You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a top of the line vid card. ;o) "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you arewilling > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the priceof a > console system and 1 game for it.

Let it be known that on Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:08:59 -0500, "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got >me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games? I'm >not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly street car >racing. How important are graphics to you? For under $90 you can get a PSOne, Gran Turismo 2, and a memory card. You should be able to find Colin McRae 2 realtivly easy. and if you're lucky you can find Jarrett & Labonte Racing (aka TOCA World Touring Cars). You may not be getting the flashy graphics that the new consoles have, but you can get some quality games for the PSX.

For street racing you probably will want Gran Turismo 3 on the PS2. I have an Xbox, and so far the only good racing games for it are NASCAR Heat, F1 2001, Rallisport Challenge, and Project Gotham Racing. Of those four the only street racing game is PGR, but even though it has a pretty realistic feel to it many of the tracks are very narrow and tricky, not really conducive to good head-to-head racing. Rallisport Challenge OTOH is a total blast, even if you don't think you are into rally racing you will probably like it. But there are rally games for the PS2 also. For the Xbox there is also Test Drive and a couple other similarly forgettable ones which should only be bought by people who like to crash cars, and that's about it for now. Eventually Pro Race Driver and some version of Need for Speed will be available for Xbox. Also said to be on the way are Sega GT 2002 (similar to GT3 but probably not as realistic), and factory sims for Mercedes Benz, Lotus, and Lamborghini. Impossible to predict what the quality of those titles will be. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consolesgot > me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best racegames? I'm > not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostlystreet car > racing. > > Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine andI'm not > replacing my video card for games. > >

I like my ATI all in wonder - tv and video capture are important to me. I also kinda like the idea of getting a dvd player with one of these consoles (my computer dvd doesn't output to the tv anymore with XP). I guess I'm kinda looking at a Xbox or PS2..... I've seen that 2 of the Xbox's top games are race/ralley (I know it's not going for $150). I'd just like to hear what you guys suggest for what I'm looking for in a game system. "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you arewilling > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the price of a > console system and 1 game for it. > "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consolesgot

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> > me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games? > I'm > > not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly street > car > > racing. > > > > Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm > not > > replacing my video card for games. > > > > > >

I only own a PS2 so I cannot comment on the X-Box. The PS2 has Gran Turismo 3 and World Rally Championship, two pretty good games. V-Rally 3 and Colin MaCrae 3 (both rally games) are due out soon (V-Rally 3 is already out in Europe.). I went for the PS2 over the X-Box for three reasons-- the PS2 has better sport's games, a better polish and look to its games, and Sony has been at this a long time. The X-Box is relatively new. MS will through a bunch of cash at the X-Box and possibly forget about the polish. Alanb "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got > me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games?I'm > not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly streetcar > racing. > > Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'mnot > replacing my video card for games. > >

"Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got > me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games?I'm > not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly streetcar > racing. > > Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'mnot > replacing my video card for games. > > This is the PS2 side of things. Some of these are out now, the others are being released sometime this year. Pick out anything you like. For racing on the streets, Burnout 2 and The Getaway are probably going to be for you (neither are out yet, but the original Burnout has been around for +6 months). Gran Turismo 3 World Rally Championship Colin McRae Rally 3 Burnout V-Rally 3 The Getaway Stuntman Pro Rally 2002 Master Rallye Rally Championship (SCi) Gran Turismo Concept: Tokyo-Geneva Gran Turismo Online Auto Modellista Total Immersion Racing F355 Challenge Mercedes Benz World Racing TOCA Race Driver Starsky & Hutch F1 2002 Formula One 2002 NASCAR Heat 2002 Gumball 3000 Alpine Racer 3 TD Overdrive Lamborghini Lotus Challenge GTC: Africa Burnout 2

And all it will do is play games :) -Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]...

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> You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a top of > the line vid card. ;o) > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you are > willing > > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the price > of a > > console system and 1 game for it. > >

Yes, but that's not top of the line. "Steve Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You can get a GF4 Ti 4200 for much less than the cost of a console.

Xbox has PGR, TestDrive, and MotoGP, F1-2001, RalliSport and Nascar. All excellent games. Sega GT (not out yet), and CM 3.0 should complete the line-up, nicely. Not to mention the overall value versus the PS/2 for online gaming (debatable I know, however you need for hardware for the PS/2 to go online). After seeing the PS/2's graphics (even on GT3) I'd have to say the best console driving game I've ever had the pleasure to play/own is MotoGP. The feeling of speed, the overall graphic effects of speed, overall sound quality (true surround sound, not emulated), weather effects (the rain is photo realistic), time to load levels etc. is awesome. Now that's just my opinion as a gamer for 22+ years. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got : me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games? I'm : not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly street car : racing. : : Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm not : replacing my video card for games. : :

In article <[email hidden]>, "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles got >me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race games? I'm >not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, mostly street car >racing. As some have mentioned, both the XBOX (Rallisport Challenge) and PS2 (World Rally Championship) have current gen rally titles that are well-received. Check Randy Magruder's reviews at digitalsports.com for very comprehensive coverage. AFAIK, Gran Turismo 3 (PS2) still rates as THE racing/driving console title. I bought the PSX just for GT and GT2 and a PS2 for GT3. At the current price, it is pretty darned attractive. Someone mentioned F355 being available for the PS2? Wasn't this project shelved? I have the DC version. A full PS2 update would move it to the top of the picks. I'm less impressed by the XBOX's Project Gotham Racing. But admittedly this is based on occasional play at Best Buy and previous experience with their similar Dreamcast title, Metropolis Street Racer. Sega GT2? There's always hope. In this case, I'd hope it doesn't play or look like the original version on the DC. >Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm not >replacing my video card for games. You can get by with a joystick too. Though I think pedals add a lot to the control and experience.

<<All it will do is play games>>? Is there anything else? Plus, the Xbox will output to HDTV (a million pixels...plus!); can yer piddly little Alles-im-Wunder do that? (Prolly more like 640x480.) --Steve "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > And all it will do is play games :) > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]...

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> And all it will do is play games :) > > -Larry > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]... > > You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a top of > > the line vid card. ;o) > > > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you are > > willing > > > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the price > > of a > > > console system and 1 game for it. > > > > > >

From what I have read, the Xbox is the better DVD player, but you have to buy the $30 remote to make it able to play DVD movies.

I don't have an all-in-wonder (must be confusing me with someone else), but I can do 1600X1200X32 to a 22" MitsuBishi DiamondPro just fine :) -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H6GT8.73689$[email hidden]...

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> <<All it will do is play games>>? > > Is there anything else? > > Plus, the Xbox will output to HDTV (a million pixels...plus!); can yer > piddly little Alles-im-Wunder do that? (Prolly more like 640x480.) > > --Steve > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]... > > > You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a top of > > > the line vid card. ;o) > > > > > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you are > > > willing > > > > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the

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I've read that it has a more compatible DVD player, not better. Sony's has a few more features but has issues with some DVDs. The $30.00 is really a license fee. The hardware is ready to go, however the software is locked out until you put the IR port in. This setup lowers the cost of the Xbox for those who don't require it to be a DVD player. I use it for a DVD player almost every weekend, it was one reason I could justify buying it back in November, 2001. "Richie Vanderlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : From what I have read, the Xbox is the better DVD player, but you have : to buy the $30 remote to make it able to play DVD movies.

"Steve Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You can get a GF4 Ti 4200 for much less than the cost of a console. Not a MegaDrive.

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iMFT8.85826$[email hidden]... > Someone mentioned F355 being available for the PS2? Wasn't this project > shelved? I have the DC version. A full PS2 update would move it to thetop > of the picks. It's still in development, due out in September. SCEE are publishing and they don't tend to drop stuff, however late it gets (The Getaway?).

Somehow 1600x1200 doesn't sound like a TV-screen rez. (And I know you weren't boasting abt. yer Rae85x; it was a rhetortical jibe.) "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sIIT8.97237$[email hidden]... > I don't have an all-in-wonder (must be confusing me with someone else),but

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> I can do 1600X1200X32 to a 22" MitsuBishi DiamondPro just fine :) > > -Larry > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:H6GT8.73689$[email hidden]... > > <<All it will do is play games>>? > > > > Is there anything else? > > > > Plus, the Xbox will output to HDTV (a million pixels...plus!); can yer > > piddly little Alles-im-Wunder do that? (Prolly more like 640x480.) > > > > --Steve > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]... > > > > You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a top

of > > > > the line vid card. ;o) > > > > > > > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > > > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but youare

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> > > > willing > > > > > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the > price > > > > of a > > > > > console system and 1 game for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't have a Radeon :) -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uNWT8.92530$[email hidden]...

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> Somehow 1600x1200 doesn't sound like a TV-screen rez. > > (And I know you weren't boasting abt. yer Rae85x; it was a rhetortical > jibe.) > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sIIT8.97237$[email hidden]... > > I don't have an all-in-wonder (must be confusing me with someone else), > but > > I can do 1600X1200X32 to a 22" MitsuBishi DiamondPro just fine :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:H6GT8.73689$[email hidden]... > > > <<All it will do is play games>>? > > > > > > Is there anything else? > > > > > > Plus, the Xbox will output to HDTV (a million pixels...plus!); can yer > > > piddly little Alles-im-Wunder do that? (Prolly more like 640x480.) > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]... > > > > > You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a

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> of > > > > > the line vid card. ;o) > > > > > > > > > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > > > > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but you > are > > > > > willing > > > > > > to buy a new console. You could get a kick ass vid card for the > > price > > > > > of a > > > > > > console system and 1 game for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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>I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles >got me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race >games? I'm not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, >mostly street car racing. > >Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm >not replacing my video card for games. > >

Well, I have both consoles and on balance the best console driving experience is with GT3 AND the FF wheel for the PS2. This pair will come in pretty expensive though, although not as much as upgrading your PC. Xbox driving games are OK generally, but no decent controllers, and nothing quite up to GT3 standard, means that the PS2 edges it for now. Sega GT2002 for Xbox might swing the balance that way I guess. However, the game I'm playing most is the venerable Grand Prix Legends (great sims don't die - they just get modded!). Don't go near a console if you've played this, since it's not worth the effort to downgrade your physics :0 If GPL runs OK on your machine then you've pretty much got all the driving sim you can handle. r.

Ya got that right! "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bm2U8.1674$%%[email hidden]...

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> Don't have a Radeon :) > > -Larry > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uNWT8.92530$[email hidden]... > > Somehow 1600x1200 doesn't sound like a TV-screen rez. > > > > (And I know you weren't boasting abt. yer Rae85x; it was a rhetortical > > jibe.) > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sIIT8.97237$[email hidden]... > > > I don't have an all-in-wonder (must be confusing me with someone

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> > but > > > I can do 1600X1200X32 to a 22" MitsuBishi DiamondPro just fine :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:H6GT8.73689$[email hidden]... > > > > <<All it will do is play games>>? > > > > > > > > Is there anything else? > > > > > > > > Plus, the Xbox will output to HDTV (a million pixels...plus!); can

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> > > > piddly little Alles-im-Wunder do that? (Prolly more like 640x480.) > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:1LDT8.94862$[email hidden]... > > > > > And all it will do is play games :) > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:afltnn$f9oeq$[email hidden]... > > > > > > You could get a kick ass console and 4 games for the price of a > top > > of > > > > > > the line vid card. ;o) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:N9uT8.363008$cQ3.23590@sccrnsc01... > > > > > > > you are not replacing your video card for games .........but

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Let it be known that on Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:58:29 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (ryuzu) wrote:

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>"Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in ><[email hidden]>: > >>I'm not much of a gamer. Seeing the recent price drop on the consoles >>got me thinking about maybe picking one up. Who's got the best race >>games? I'm not interested in NASCAR or F1 too much......maybe rally, >>mostly street car racing. >If GPL runs OK on your machine then you've pretty much got all the driving >sim you can handle.

But, gee, didn't he say that he was not interested in F1? That kinda rules GPL out...

>>If GPL runs OK on your machine then you've pretty much got all the >>driving sim you can handle. > >But, gee, didn't he say that he was not interested in F1? That kinda >rules GPL out... I'd say anyone with an interest in an auto sim would like GPL. If they don't then perhaps they're looking for an auto game instead. r.

Let it be known that on Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:24:23 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (ryuzu) wrote:

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> >>>If GPL runs OK on your machine then you've pretty much got all the >>>driving sim you can handle. >> >>But, gee, didn't he say that he was not interested in F1? That kinda >>rules GPL out... > >I'd say anyone with an interest in an auto sim would like GPL. If they >don't then perhaps they're looking for an auto game instead.

I guess I'm not anyone. I agree that the physics are superb, I love watching old F1 footage, but frankly the game does not interest me.

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:28:50 -0300, "Mr. +G" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sega GT (not out yet) Hopefully they'll fix the control before it's released. Looked great and played awful at E3.

In article <[email hidden]>, Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Sega GT (not out yet) > >Hopefully they'll fix the control before it's released. Looked great >and played awful at E3. Hmmm, the control was absolutely horrid in the DC version. Just like pilot-induced oscillation. Is this what you saw at E3? Doesn't bode well at all.

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:16:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Dave) wrote: >Hmmm, the control was absolutely horrid in the DC version. Just like >pilot-induced oscillation. Is this what you saw at E3? Yup.

[email hidden] (Dave) wrote in message news:<iMFT8.85826$[email hidden]>... > > As some have mentioned, both the XBOX (Rallisport Challenge) and PS2 > (World Rally Championship) have current gen rally titles that are > well-received. Check Randy Magruder's reviews at digitalsports.com for very > comprehensive coverage. Thanks for the nod :). Also I did F1 2002 and Le Mans 24 hours reviews recently at IGN PC (pc.ign.com). > AFAIK, Gran Turismo 3 (PS2) still rates as THE racing/driving console title. > I bought the PSX just for GT and GT2 and a PS2 for GT3. At the current price, it is pretty darned attractive. No doubt, but really the trick on the PS2 is to go ahead and get the Logitech Driving Force and a PS2. That'll make titles like Sprint Cars, GT3, WRC, F1 2002 all MUCH better. > Someone mentioned F355 being available for the PS2? Wasn't this project > shelved? I have the DC version. A full PS2 update would move it to the top > of the picks. Oh yeah I have the DC version as well. The big deal there is we finally get full race replays! > I'm less impressed by the XBOX's Project Gotham Racing. But admittedly this > is based on occasional play at Best Buy and previous experience with their > similar Dreamcast title, Metropolis Street Racer. Oddly, I thought the same thing, but I went autocrossing in my Miata and felt that the game actually simulates those cone runs pretty well. With rear wheel drive you definitely risk power-on oversteer and the weight transfer is pretty extreme especially because you're in lower gears and the torque is high. But overall, they made the thing drift too easily and correct too easily, with nary a hint of understeer. > Sega GT2? There's always hope. In this case, I'd hope it doesn't play or > look like the original version on the DC. Amen. > >Should I just pick up a wheel for my PC? It's no gaming machine and I'm not > >replacing my video card for games. If you get a Logitech Driving Force, it works for the PC *and* the PS2, with full Force Feedback on both. > You can get by with a joystick too. Though I think pedals add a lot to the > control and experience. I'd say get the wheel and be done with it :) Randy