CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229.
It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate.
If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds for a
lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy.
I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic testing...
-Larry
GeForce4 Ti4400 sale and impressions
Larry reported buying a discounted PNY GeForce4 Ti4400 and posted benchmark gains over his GeForce3 Ti500, then had to exchange a defective card. Others discussed driver issues and the Windows 2000/XP 60Hz refresh problem. Former MGI developer Dave Pollatsek described a dying card that swapped textures.
hardware: PC/graphics
Automated summary.
Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, it'll do :)
GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474.
GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144.
Yowsa :)
Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400?
Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is visibly
better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold me until
2003 when the next round of cards come out :)
Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal.
Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board!
-Larry
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>
> -Larry
>
>
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> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds for a > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basicOn Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:49:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic testing...
I have that card, it's really really nice using the default driverset.
If you have any luck getting Detonators newer than 27.42 working with
it let me know. I've done a fresh install of Win98 twice now and
tried using multiple sets of newer certified drivers and it's
ridiculously unstable.
Jason
I use 29.42's as released by nVidia.
No problems under WinXP.
-Larry
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> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:49:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basictesting...
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> > I have that card, it's really really nice using the default driverset. > > If you have any luck getting Detonators newer than 27.42 working with > it let me know. I've done a fresh install of Win98 twice now and > tried using multiple sets of newer certified drivers and it's > ridiculously unstable. > > Jason6 months from now it will be $100
So you have to decide if its worth
throwing away $199 in 6 months.
In article <6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The
Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> says...
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> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds for a > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic testing... > > -Larry > > > Is this such a great deal? I just don't see it that way. I'm still
waiting for a game that really requires more than my voodoo3 and that I
really want to play. Plus the nextgen cards are almost here. Also the
Radeon 8500 is now pretty clearly the price/perf leader at $99, less than
half the cost of that (discounted from an inflated price) 4400.
> 6 months from now it will be $100
> So you have to decide if its worth
> throwing away $199 in 6 months.
This is always true of course, but the original poster upgraded from a
GF3, so the difference was incremental at best.
rms
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Try Elder Scrolls III Morrowind. (If you want to challenge your Voodoo 3).
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> Is this such a great deal? I just don't see it that way. I'm still > waiting for a game that really requires more than my voodoo3 and that I > really want to play. Plus the nextgen cards are almost here. Also the > Radeon 8500 is now pretty clearly the price/perf leader at $99, less than > half the cost of that (discounted from an inflated price) 4400. > > > 6 months from now it will be $100 > > So you have to decide if its worth > > throwing away $199 in 6 months. > > This is always true of course, but the original poster upgraded from a > GF3, so the difference was incremental at best. > > rms > [email hidden] > > > >And my car depreciates like a mad man. What's your point?
If I want to invest money, I'll check in with Fidelity.
-Larry
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> > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy.
> >
> > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basictesting...
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
> >
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> 6 months from now it will be $100 > So you have to decide if its worth > throwing away $199 in 6 months. > > > In article <6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The > Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> says... > > CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds forWhether it is a deal or not is up to you and your situation.
The next gen cards are NOT almost here. The new nVidia's are to be released
no earlier than year-end, and there are rumors now that they are delayed
until 2003 sometime.
I needed certain things (sharper 2D, 128MB RAM, etc...) and frankly this car
eats the Radeon alive.
-Larry
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> Is this such a great deal? I just don't see it that way. I'm still > waiting for a game that really requires more than my voodoo3 and that I > really want to play. Plus the nextgen cards are almost here. Also the > Radeon 8500 is now pretty clearly the price/perf leader at $99, less than > half the cost of that (discounted from an inflated price) 4400. > > > 6 months from now it will be $100 > > So you have to decide if its worth > > throwing away $199 in 6 months. > > This is always true of course, but the original poster upgraded from a > GF3, so the difference was incremental at best. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-)
SLG
"Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:
(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)
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>Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, it'll do :) > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > >Yowsa :) > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is visibly >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold me until >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > >-Larry > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. >> >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. >> >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds for a >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. >> >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic >testing... >> >> -Larry >> >> > >I think I have it sold for $150.
-Larry
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> And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > SLG > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, it'll doQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > >Yowsa :) > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is visibly > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold meQuoted text (15 lines)
> >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > >-Larry > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > >> > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > >> > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds forQuoted text (17 lines)
> >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > >> > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > >testing... > >> > >> -Larry > >> > >> > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >Oh, and my luck...
My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o' Death",
which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :(
I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :(
You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in the last
22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My Creative GeForce
DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had that one
fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memory chip.
And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bring that
up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)).
-Larry
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> And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > SLG > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, it'll doQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > >Yowsa :) > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is visibly > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold meQuoted text (15 lines)
> >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > >-Larry > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > >> > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > >> > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds forQuoted text (17 lines)
> >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > >> > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > >testing... > >> > >> -Larry > >> > >> > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >Everything's fine now. Stopped by CompUSA, got another new board, and it's
working perfectly.
There must have been something really funky with the first one. When I
installed the replacement, and identical board, WinXP detected it as a new
device. I didn't expect that, unless WinXP is looking further than the
hardware descriptor string these days.
I can't get over how much the 2D is improved in the GF4 over the GF3. It's
easily up to ATI 2D Quality now. For the first time, I can run 1600X1200 in
crystal clear clarity without a hint of fuzziness.
I like!
-Larry
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> Oh, and my luck... > > My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o' Death", > which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :( > > I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :( > > You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in the last > 22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My Creative GeForce > DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had that one > fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memory chip. > > And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bring that > up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)). > > -Larry > > > "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > > > SLG > > > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, it'llQuoted text (11 lines)
> :) > > > > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > > > >Yowsa :) > > > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 isQuoted text (17 lines)
> > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold me > until > > >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > >> > > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > >> > > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speedsQuoted text (20 lines)
> a > > >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > >> > > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > >testing... > > >> > > >> -Larry > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > > due to too many English classes/teachers) > > > > > >I'm not familiar with that term. What do you mean by "Dots 'o' Death"?
I expect to be getting a new card soon and want to know what to look
for.
"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Oh, and my luck...
>
> My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o'Death",
> which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :(
>
> I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :(
>
> You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in thelast
> 22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My CreativeGeForce
> DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had thatone
> fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memorychip.
>
> And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bringthat
it'll do
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> > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll holdme
$229.
> > >>
> > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate.
> > >>
> > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600speeds for
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> up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)). > > -Larry > > > "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > > > SLG > > > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do,Quoted text (11 lines)
> :) > > > > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > > > >Yowsa :) > > > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 isQuoted text (12 lines)
> until > > >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @Quoted text (20 lines)
> a > > >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > >> > > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > >testing... > > >> > > >> -Larry > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > > due to too many English classes/teachers) > > > > > >Congrats,
I have a Gainward Ti4400 128mb arriving today hopefully from Newegg, am
really looking foward to seeing the difference between it and my current
GeForce3 Ti200.
Don Burnette
"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> -Larry
>
>
>
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> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds for a > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basicLarry,
Just curious, did you uninstall and reinstall your drivers, or just leave
them untouched?
Don Burnette
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> Everything's fine now. Stopped by CompUSA, got another new board, andit's
It's
> easily up to ATI 2D Quality now. For the first time, I can run 1600X1200in
Death",
> > which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :(
> >
> > I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :(
> >
> > You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in thelast
> > 22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My CreativeGeForce
> > DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had that one
> > fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memorychip.
> >
> > And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bringthat
it'll
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> working perfectly. > > There must have been something really funky with the first one. When I > installed the replacement, and identical board, WinXP detected it as a new > device. I didn't expect that, unless WinXP is looking further than the > hardware descriptor string these days. > > I can't get over how much the 2D is improved in the GF4 over the GF3.Quoted text (11 lines)
> crystal clear clarity without a hint of fuzziness. > > I like! > > -Larry > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vw2U8.1782$%%[email hidden]... > > Oh, and my luck... > > > > My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o'Quoted text (14 lines)
> > up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)). > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > > > > > SLG > > > > > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do,Quoted text (14 lines)
> do > > :) > > > > > > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > > > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > > > > > >Yowsa :) > > > > > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > > > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is > visibly > > > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll holdQuoted text (12 lines)
> > until > > > >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > > > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > > > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @Quoted text (27 lines)
> > > >> > > > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > >> > > > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds > for > > a > > > >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > >> > > > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > > >testing... > > > >> > > > >> -Larry > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > > > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > > > due to too many English classes/teachers) > > > > > > > > > > > >That will always pretty much be true of video cards, usually I wait until
the next generation comes out and get the prior one cheaper, this time I
decided to go ahead and take the plunge and get the current instead.. kinda
fun for a change actually :)
Don Burnette
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> Whether it is a deal or not is up to you and your situation.
>
> The next gen cards are NOT almost here. The new nVidia's are to bereleased
> no earlier than year-end, and there are rumors now that they are delayed
> until 2003 sometime.
>
> I needed certain things (sharper 2D, 128MB RAM, etc...) and frankly thiscar
than
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> eats the Radeon alive. > > -Larry > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MsJT8.1008$[email hidden]... > > Is this such a great deal? I just don't see it that way. I'm still > > waiting for a game that really requires more than my voodoo3 and that I > > really want to play. Plus the nextgen cards are almost here. Also the > > Radeon 8500 is now pretty clearly the price/perf leader at $99, lessQuoted text (7 lines)
> > half the cost of that (discounted from an inflated price) 4400. > > > > > 6 months from now it will be $100 > > > So you have to decide if its worth > > > throwing away $199 in 6 months. > > > > This is always true of course, but the original poster upgraded fromQuoted text (10 lines)
> > GF3, so the difference was incremental at best. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > >You'll know it if you have it :)
You'll see random 'Dots' scattered all over the screen, possibly mixed in
with streaky lines.
nVidia cards rarely go bad, but this is usually what happens when they do.
Dots 'o' Death is my term, I'm not sure it is universally accepted :)
-Larry
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> I'm not familiar with that term. What do you mean by "Dots 'o' Death"? > I expect to be getting a new card soon and want to know what to look > for. > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vw2U8.1782$%%[email hidden]... > > Oh, and my luck... > > > > My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o' > Death", > > which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :( > > > > I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :( > > > > You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in the > last > > 22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My Creative > GeForce > > DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had that > one > > fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memory > chip. > > > > And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bring > that > > up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)). > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > > > > > SLG > > > > > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, > it'll do > > :) > > > > > > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > > > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > > > > > >Yowsa :) > > > > > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > > > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is > visibly > > > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold > me > > until > > > >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > > > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > > > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ > $229. > > > >> > > > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > >> > > > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 > speeds for > > a > > > >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > >> > > > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > > >testing... > > > >> > > > >> -Larry > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > > > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > > > due to too many English classes/teachers) > > > > > > > > > > >You'll be happy :)
Make sure you get the new Refresh Rate Fixer I posted about further down the
list to go along with it. It'll take care of those 60hz blues in your
games.
-Larry
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> Congrats, > I have a Gainward Ti4400 128mb arriving today hopefully from Newegg, am > really looking foward to seeing the difference between it and my current > GeForce3 Ti200. > > Don Burnette > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds forQuoted text (11 lines)
> > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > testing... > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > >I always remove drivers and the device manager listing before shutting down
for the last time and pulling out the old hardware.
-Larry
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> > device. I didn't expect that, unless WinXP is looking further than the
> > hardware descriptor string these days.
> >
> > I can't get over how much the 2D is improved in the GF4 over the GF3.
> It's
> > easily up to ATI 2D Quality now. For the first time, I can run1600X1200
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> Larry, > Just curious, did you uninstall and reinstall your drivers, or just leave > them untouched? > > Don Burnette > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9h7U8.4406$%%[email hidden]... > > Everything's fine now. Stopped by CompUSA, got another new board, and > it's > > working perfectly. > > > > There must have been something really funky with the first one. When I > > installed the replacement, and identical board, WinXP detected it as aQuoted text (22 lines)
> in > > crystal clear clarity without a hint of fuzziness. > > > > I like! > > > > -Larry > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:vw2U8.1782$%%[email hidden]... > > > Oh, and my luck... > > > > > > My board is defective. It is suffering from the nVidia "Dots 'o' > Death", > > > which usually resolves to a bad memory chip :( > > > > > > I'll be stoppying by CompUSAto exchange it this afternoon :( > > > > > > You know, I've only had about 4 computer components fail on me in the > last > > > 22 years, and two of them have been nVidia boards :) My Creative > GeForce > > > DDR died with the "Dots 'o' Death", just like this one. I had thatQuoted text (52 lines)
> > > fixed under warranty which took about 2 weeks. It was a bad memory > chip. > > > > > > And no, I don't overclock my boards (I just knew someone would bring > that > > > up, so I'm heading it off at the pass :)). > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > And what are you giving the GF3 Ti500 away for? :-) > > > > > > > > SLG > > > > > > > > "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Quick Comparison time. Not Toms Hardware Quality, but it'll do, > it'll > > do > > > :) > > > > > > > > > >GeForce 3 Ti500 3D Mark 2001se Score - 7474. > > > > > > > > > >GeForce 4 Ti4400 3D Mark 2001se Score - 9144. > > > > > > > > > >Yowsa :) > > > > > > > > > >Is it worth it to replace a Ti500 with a Ti4400? > > > > > > > > > >Hell, I don't know, but it's faster, the 2D quality of the GF4 is > > visibly > > > > >better than the GF3, and it has 128MB of RAM. For $229, it'll hold > me > > > until > > > > >2003 when the next round of cards come out :) > > > > > > > > > >Once I sell the Ti500, the investment will be minimal. > > > > > > > > > >Oh, and the GF4 is one big honkin' board! > > > > > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > > > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > >news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > > > >> CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ > $229. > > > > >> > > > > >> It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > > >> > > > > >> If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600Quoted text (25 lines)
> > for > > > a > > > > >> lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > > >> > > > > >> I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > > > >testing... > > > > >> > > > > >> -Larry > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > > > > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > > > > due to too many English classes/teachers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've never really seen the refresh rate problem, not sure why unless it
maybe because I am using the GeForce Tweaker utility maybe?
Don Burnette
"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> list to go along with it. It'll take care of those 60hz blues in your > games. > > -Larry > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:99gU8.90455$[email hidden]... > > Congrats, > > I have a Gainward Ti4400 128mb arriving today hopefully from Newegg, am > > really looking foward to seeing the difference between it and my current > > GeForce3 Ti200. > > > > Don Burnette > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > > CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > > > > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > > > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speedsQuoted text (15 lines)
> a > > > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > > > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > testing... > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you have 2K/XP, and haven't physically addressed it yourself, you most
definitely have the 60hz problem in OpenGL 3D Games.
It can be fixed in D3D by using the DXTweak Utility, which has a somewhat
hidden but useable way of fixing it for D3D.
Oddly, Win9x isn't affected by this.
Someone once told me it was a requirement of WHQL certification to have this
brain-dead frequency setting locked in. If so, Microsoft should be taken to
task for such a stupid rule.
Ditto for the VSync option being hidden for D3D by default. It's part of
the WHQL certification.
-Larry
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> > > really looking foward to seeing the difference between it and mycurrent
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> I've never really seen the refresh rate problem, not sure why unless it > maybe because I am using the GeForce Tweaker utility maybe? > > Don Burnette > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aFjU8.9968$%%[email hidden]... > > You'll be happy :) > > > > Make sure you get the new Refresh Rate Fixer I posted about further down > the > > list to go along with it. It'll take care of those 60hz blues in your > > games. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:99gU8.90455$[email hidden]... > > > Congrats, > > > I have a Gainward Ti4400 128mb arriving today hopefully from Newegg,Quoted text (29 lines)
> > > GeForce3 Ti200. > > > > > > Don Burnette > > > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:6xHT8.96398$[email hidden]... > > > > CompUSA has a special 4 day sale on the PNY GeForce 4 Ti4400 @ $229. > > > > > > > > It breaks down as $299 - $30 Instant Rebate - $40 Mail-In Rebate. > > > > > > > > If you were considering a Ti4200, or if you want near Ti4600 speeds > for > > a > > > > lot less money than the Ti4600 then I think this is a great buy. > > > > > > > > I just picked one up. Quick comments to follow after some basic > > > testing... > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We've seen that one at the office. An even better one was when one card
started to die, but the symptom was that it started to swap textures around,
so you'd be driving around with a sky full of tires, Jeff Gordon walls, etc.
Totally surreal and amusing, but probably not worth the $200 replacement
cost. My gut suspicion (unsubstantiated by statistical methods) has always
been that the "late generation cards" that have shrunk to one or two surface
mount chips and a teeny board (like the MXs) will be more reliable than the
cutting edge boards that are two feet long with ten fans and a million
little chips (like my original GeForce 256 on my home machine that is
starting to go haywire).
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