MS ForceFeed should I get it?

Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? Thanks, Helio

I'd say get it - I've had mine for 3 years now and no problems. It uses an optical sensor rather than pots, so doesnt go out of calibration. Also pedals have better travel than most others - so no real weaknesses. Works fine in GPL and F1 2002. Toms Hardware did a review of wheels and the MSFF wheel rated highly. "Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from > Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is > it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? > > Thanks, > > Helio

The MSFFW is a great wheel. IMHO, it is the best of the Consumer level wheels on the market. It is extremely durable. Mine is 2 years old, has been used heavily, and it shows no signs of wear whatsoever. The Force Feedback is powerful enough, and the wheel attachment system is as easy as it gets. The pedals are, IMHO, the best of the Consumer Class wheels. They are very comfortable. If there is a downside, it is the SideWider Profiler software. It hasn't been updated in a long time. It works, but there are definitely better software designs out there. MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress enough the importance of this. When you install the SideWinder 4.0 software, it will say it isn't compatible with Win2K or XP. Disregard the notice and install it anyway. It works fine. Oddly, Microsoft WHQL certified this software in it's current condition, even with the above false warning intact. I guess when you write the rules and own the certification system, you can break the rules no one else is supposed to :) -Larry "Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from > Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is > it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? > > Thanks, > > Helio

"Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from > Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is > it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? > > Thanks, > Get it, its a very good wheel/pedal setup. Worth the money IMHO

In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: >MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress >enough the importance of this. Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress >>enough the importance of this. > > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever).

Windows XP support. Or should I say, lack thereof. -- Fester

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> > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > >>MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress > >>enough the importance of this. > > > > > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > > Windows XP support. Or should I say, lack thereof. >

I'll wear out my wheel before I giveup 98se...so XP hassles are NOT an issue...(LOL) dave(stone age)henrie > -- > > Fester >

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> > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > EldredP wrote: > > > In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The > Other > > > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > >>MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot

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> > >>enough the importance of this. > > > > > > > > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > > > > > Windows XP support. Or should I say, lack thereof. > > > I'll wear out my wheel before I giveup 98se...so XP hassles are NOT an > issue...(LOL) > dave(stone age)henrie > > --

I'll wear out my pc before I give up 98 Dave :) XP; classic case of change for change sake. John > >

Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software will not work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. Ever. It is a dead end. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(TheOther

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> Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress > >enough the importance of this. > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>>MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress >>>enough the importance of this. >> >> >> Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > >Windows XP support. Or should I say, lack thereof.

Gotcha. But I'm with Dave - I'm not going to XP *anytime* soon... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <4qPT8.98411$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: >Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software will not >work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. > >Ever. > >It is a dead end. So screw MS - I'll buy someone else's...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The controller industry moved to producing USB devices more than three years ago, hence Windows XP only supports game port devices with "basic" drivers. The problem isn't XP, it is the industry itself - with rare exceptions - doesn't support game port devices any more. They want us to buy the newer USB controllers. -- Chris H. "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4qPT8.98411$[email hidden]... > Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software will not > work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. > > Ever. > > It is a dead end. > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The > Other > > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress > > >enough the importance of this. > > > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

The product has been EOL since about 2.5 years ago :) Those who already own them have a right to bitch. Those considering buying one new, well, can't :) Just get the USB Eldred :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <4qPT8.98411$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(TheOther

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> Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software will not > >work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. > > > >Ever. > > > >It is a dead end. > > So screw MS - I'll buy someone else's...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Shouldn't you be screaming and running naked and drunk through the streets now?:-) (Brazil 2-0 Germany) Congrats on a great Cup win. ...and now back to our topic... The MSFF wheel has been trouble free for almost 3 years for me. Just now starting to think about upgrading. I have the gameport version and have had nothing but great experiences with it. I learned to drive the ring with it and will always say good things about it. "Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from > Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is > it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? > > Thanks, > > Helio

two words---dual boot (98se/XP) "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4qPT8.98411$[email hidden]...

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> Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software will not > work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. > > Ever. > > It is a dead end. > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The > Other > > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot stress > > >enough the importance of this. > > > > Why? I *have* a gameport(PDPL, or whatever). > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

hi I am contemplating the same but what advantages did you get as far as gaming is concerned ? "Steve Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 01 Jul 2002 05:17:10 GMT, [email hidden](EldredP) posted: > > > >Gotcha. But I'm with Dave - I'm not going to XP*anytime* soon... > > > >Eldred > > Luddites! It's more than change for the hell of it, alot more. Do as > I do and use a dual boot of Win98/XP and you won'thave any problem > games or game controllers to contend with. And ifyou're really > adventurous try a triple boot of Win98/XP/Linuxsometime for some more > added fun with your PC.

Frankly, I'd get the USB version of the MSFFW since you are happy with it, and keep the old one for spare parts. That's exactly what I'm doing. I personally don't think there's anything better out there to upgrade to, except maybe the Momo (which in fact I tried, and it's been sitting in the box after the first day because of the pedals). I always seem to go back to the MSFFW. Stick with whacha love :) -Larry "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pz5U8.373131$352.46196@sccrnsc02...

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> Shouldn't you be screaming and running naked and drunk through the streets > now?:-) (Brazil 2-0 Germany) Congrats on a great Cup win. > > ...and now back to our topic... > > The MSFF wheel has been trouble free for almost 3 years for me. Just now > starting to think about upgrading. I have the gameport version and have

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> nothing but great experiences with it. I learned to drive the ring with it > and will always say good things about it. > > "Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Here in Brazil the only easily available FF wheel is the one from > > Microsoft. If I get it will I reasonably enjoy F1 2002 and GPL? Or is > > it a better idea to try to get a better wheel? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Helio > >

I'm going to deal with the nonsense of Win9x just for this? LOL! I don't think so :) -Larry "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jB5U8.58786$Uu2.9783@sccrnsc03... > two words---dual boot (98se/XP) > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4qPT8.98411$[email hidden]... > > Because Microsoft no longer supports it, the SideWinder software willnot

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> > work, and it will never, ever be upgraded. > > > > Ever. > > > > It is a dead end. > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <3BHT8.96439$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The > > Other > > > Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >MAKE SURE IT IS A USB VERSION, NOT A GAMEPORT VERSION! I cannot

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Steve Lane wrote: > Luddites! It's more than change for the hell of it, a lot more. Do as > I do and use a dual boot of Win98/XP and you won't have any problem > games or game controllers to contend with. And if you're really > adventurous try a triple boot of Win98/XP/Linux sometime for some more > added fun with your PC. Or quad boot Win98/XP/Linux/FreeBSD. :-) -- Fester

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> >Gotcha. But I'm with Dave - I'm not going to XP *anytime* soon... > > > >Eldred > > Luddites! It's more than change for the hell of it, a lot more. Do as > I do and use a dual boot of Win98/XP and you won't have any problem > games or game controllers to contend with. And if you're really > adventurous try a triple boot of Win98/XP/Linux sometime for some more > added fun with your PC.

It's not a Luddite thing....it's just NOTHING about an XP os that adds to my gaming. So that $100 to $200 buckos can be spent on a new wheel or better cpu or vid card....Criminy...I turn on the computer, I load the game and say goodbye to the OS...Until I have something that NEEDS xp, I cain't see wasting money on it. dave henrie

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'll wear out my pc before I give up 98 Dave :) XP; classic case of > change for change sake. > John, I have a feeling you did say the same about Win95 vs Win98. And Win3.1 vs Win95. And Win2.0 vs Win3.0. And...... Maybe some users change OS for change sake, but it sure is a big step in technology if you move from Win98 to XP. If you go from W2k to XP it's more an improved user interface and some other minor improvements. But release of WinXP is big step for "mankind". Because they finally ditch the 16 bit based OS line, and move also the home users to a 32bit NT based platform. Now everybody can have a stable system, and it will finally be supported by hardware and software developers. Jone Tytlandsvik

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Yy9U8.251536$[email hidden]... > > It's not a Luddite thing....it's just NOTHING about an XP os that addsto > my gaming. So that $100 to $200 buckos can be spent on a new wheel or If your rig works and you're happy with it, don't change it. But XP would have added STABILITY to your gaming. If I don't make it to the finish line in a league race, I want to be able to blame it on myself, not Bill Gates. Jone.

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I'll wear out my pc before I give up 98 Dave :) XP; classic case of > > change for change sake. > > >

Different kernels, different design philosophy and a big leap forward in technology. 9x compared to NT kernels no contest - NT wins everything hands down.

> > Or quad boot Win98/XP/Linux/FreeBSD. :-) Cant we fit BeOS in here somewhere too :)

Go to www.walmart.com. They've got Lindows machines on sale for as little as $299. 8-) -- Chris H. "Richard Whitcombe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afsqh4$6g5$[email hidden]... > > > > Or quad boot Win98/XP/Linux/FreeBSD. :-) > > Cant we fit BeOS in here somewhere too :) > > >

With all this Paladium crap floating around, they just might make a killing on these! I know this much. I'm never, ever selling old equipment after upgrading again. Not with this Borg Technology on the way. -Larry "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XvmU8.574912$[email hidden]...

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> Go to www.walmart.com. They've got Lindows machines on sale for as little > as $299. 8-) > -- > Chris H. > > "Richard Whitcombe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:afsqh4$6g5$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Or quad boot Win98/XP/Linux/FreeBSD. :-) > > > > Cant we fit BeOS in here somewhere too :) > > > > > > >

"Richard Whitcombe" <[email hidden]> wrote > 9x compared to NT kernels no contest - NT wins everything hands down. Except for game compatibility -- Frode

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:01:00 +1200, Frode wrote: > "Richard Whitcombe" <[email hidden]> wrote >> 9x compared to NT kernels no contest - NT wins everything hands down. > > Except for game compatibility Yep - and hardware compatibility. 98SE supports much more hardware. Try programming an old thrustmaster device under any variant of NT. --- Bill

That's what XP is for. XP has increased Game Compatibility far, far beyond what even Win2K provided. Remember, XP was designed to be a _home_ user operating system, and Win9x is basically EOL. -Larry "Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MLmU8.1728$[email hidden]...

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> "Richard Whitcombe" <[email hidden]> wrote > > 9x compared to NT kernels no contest - NT wins everything hands down. > > Except for game compatibility > > > -- > Frode > > >

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> > "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:afrvdq$gko3e$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I'll wear out my pc before I give up 98 Dave :) XP; classic case of > > > change for change sake. > > > > > > > Different kernels, different design philosophy and a big leap forward in > technology. > > 9x compared to NT kernels no contest - NT wins everything hands down. >

But WHAT does it do? What difference does this kernal or that kernal make if I'm gaming? I have had disco's from bad internet connections, but for the life of me, after 3 years of online racing, I can't think of any OS caused lockups during a race....I will admit my system has frozen, I have been ctd'd before, I have gotten problems from time to time exiting windows...but when I turn it on. And start a sim, the os goes away and I can't think of any os related problems. Surely there has GOT to be some reason to spend $100 or $200 dollars than just lockups? Gimmie the cash and I'll move up another notch on the cpu scale. davehenrie

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote > That's what XP is for. > > XP has increased Game Compatibility far, far beyond what even Win2K > provided. > > Remember, XP was designed to be a _home_ user operating system, and Win9xis > basically EOL. You must have misunderstood something. Yes, Win9x is indeed EOL. But it's still the most compatible OS for games. New games support Win9x *and* XP. Old games often won't run on anything *but* Win9x. Thus, how can you claim Win9x supports less games than XP? It is a factually wrong statement (unless you can cough up something very convincing). Your comment on XP being even better than W2K when it comes to games shows you really have misunderstood something. W2K was never meant for games. It was meant for office and server use. What XP has increased as opposed to 9x is stability. And the core technology has gotten a much needed facelift, getting rid of the old legacy of MS-DOS (supposedly, at any rate). -- Frode

You need to re-read what I wrote. I never said that XP supports more games than 9x. I said XP supports more games than 2K. And I still say 9x is EOL and a dead-end operating system. I've been supporting that POS since the day it came out, and I for one am glad to see it go the way of the Dodo. And I think that the more people who use XP, the more the Game Developers will be forced to get off their lazy butt's and start developing for XP, and even issuing patches to their older, still selling games. -Larry "Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DixU8.1915$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote > > That's what XP is for. > > > > XP has increased Game Compatibility far, far beyond what even Win2K > > provided. > > > > Remember, XP was designed to be a _home_ user operating system, and

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> is > > basically EOL. > > You must have misunderstood something. Yes, Win9x is indeed EOL. But it's > still the most compatible OS for games. New games support Win9x *and* XP. > Old games often won't run on anything *but* Win9x. > > Thus, how can you claim Win9x supports less games than XP? It is a

factually > wrong statement (unless you can cough up something very convincing). Your > comment on XP being even better than W2K when it comes to games shows you > really have misunderstood something. W2K was never meant for games. It was > meant for office and server use. > > What XP has increased as opposed to 9x is stability. And the coretechnology

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> has gotten a much needed facelift, getting rid of the old legacy of MS-DOS > (supposedly, at any rate). > > > -- > Frode > > >

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:53:04 GMT, Larry (The Other Larry) <[email hidden]> wrote: > With all this Paladium crap floating around, they just might make a killing > on these! > Hi Larry, I could not agree more. It's about time people woke up and collectively kicked Bill's orcish herds in the rear. Just my 2c, of course. I've been a long time Linux Mandrake user (slackware / redhat before that), and it's incredible what Linux can do for you even on the desktop. Regards, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Uwe, The only place we differ is with our choice of alternate operating system. I prefer MacOS X, but fully understand why Linux is appealing... -Larry "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:53:04 GMT, Larry (The Other Larry) <[email hidden]>wrote: > > With all this Paladium crap floating around, they just might make akilling

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> > on these! > > > > Hi Larry, > > I could not agree more. It's about time people woke up and > collectively kicked Bill's orcish herds in the rear. > > Just my 2c, of course. I've been a long time Linux Mandrake > user (slackware / redhat before that), and it's incredible what > Linux can do for you even on the desktop. > > Regards, > > uwe > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

> Yep - and hardware compatibility. 98SE supports much more hardware. Try > programming an old thrustmaster device under any variant of NT. > Again its old ancient hardware. I cant stuff old cartridge cassettes into my CD player either. Its called progress. Ive yet to find a game that doesnt work on XP and none of the hardware ive got here fails to work.

> You must have misunderstood something. Yes, Win9x is indeed EOL. But it's > still the most compatible OS for games. New games support Win9x *and* XP. > Old games often won't run on anything *but* Win9x. Ive yet to find anything in my software collection of several hundred+ titles that ive failed to load on XP > Thus, how can you claim Win9x supports less games than XP? It is afactually > wrong statement (unless you can cough up something very convincing). XP will run old legacy style DOS software which winME etc wont (despite being layered on top of MSDOS) > What XP has increased as opposed to 9x is stability. And the coretechnology > has gotten a much needed facelift, getting rid of the old legacy of MS-DOS > (supposedly, at any rate). > XP/2000 are based on NT not just fancy GUIs layered on top of MSDOS which all 9x kernels are.

> But WHAT does it do? What difference does this kernal or that kernalmake > if I'm gaming? Increased stability, increased managment of resources, the ability to keep the PC running without rebooting it several times a day and so on. Surely there has GOT to be some > reason to spend $100 or $200 dollars than just lockups? Gimmie the cashand > I'll move up another notch on the cpu scale. > davehenrie > I also use my PC for development work, common tasks like word processing, radio decoding as well as games along with the usual net applications. My PC is fast and stable - i can leave it on literally weeks at a time and not have to reboot it. If an errant app crashes it doesnt take down the rest of the OS. All these pretty vital for me.

> Just my 2c, of course. I've been a long time Linux Mandrake > user (slackware / redhat before that), and it's incredible what > Linux can do for you even on the desktop. Im the other way, have been using Linux as a server based OS for 7-8 years now but have still yet to see it threaten to do anything of use as a desktop OS for me. Lack of software, fiddly configuration and setting up of programs, constant worry about library versions, lack of standard look and feel along with lack of a decent devlopment API means im keeping it as a house server (its perfectly suited to this) but not as a desktop.

Thank you guys for all the advice. I still have some questions though: 1) I've read a post that said the MSFF had a precision problem under high resolutions, specially GPL. Is that true? 2) Isn't there any new MSFF on the horizon? I would hate buying a FF wheel and see a new version coming after just two months... Helio (who didn't run drunk and naked after Brazil's world cup victory - don't like soccer nor carnival ;-p )

I've been running the MSFFW and GPL for 2 years and have had zero problems with it. As for whether there's anything new coming, who knows :) Microsoft sells a ton of these things from what I understand, so they probably aren't being pushed too hard to invest engineering $$$ in it. However, I would definitely like to see some of Bill's money spent on updating the old, decripit SideWinder profiling software! -Larry "Helio Wakasugui" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thank you guys for all the advice. I still have some questions though: > > 1) I've read a post that said the MSFF had a precision problem under > high resolutions, specially GPL. Is that true? > > 2) Isn't there any new MSFF on the horizon? I would hate buying a FF > wheel and see a new version coming after just two months... > > > Helio > (who didn't run drunk and naked after Brazil's world cup victory - > don't like soccer nor carnival ;-p )

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>On 01 Jul 2002 05:17:10 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) posted: > > >>Gotcha. But I'm with Dave - I'm not going to XP *anytime* soon... >> >>Eldred > >Luddites! It's more than change for the hell of it, a lot more. Do as >I do and use a dual boot of Win98/XP and you won't have any problem >games or game controllers to contend with. And if you're really >adventurous try a triple boot of Win98/XP/Linux sometime for some more >added fun with your PC.

Ok, so I'm a Luddite - I'll admit it. I just haven't seen anything from XP that makes me want to run out and plunk down my money for it. Then having to spend more money to upgrade my hardware because XP doesn't like what I have. Then spend 3 weeks getting it to work right. Then finally giving up on some of my games because they don't run anymore(or having to fart around with dual boot).... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, There's nothing wrong with NOT buying XP. Speaking for my own posts earlier, my only point is that XP does not suffer from the Anti-Game attitude that NT and, to a lesser extent but still annoying, 2K does. Sticking with Win9x is fine (well, for now of course). Just make sure you are staying for the right reasons :) There are a lot of things about XP I DON'T like (add WMP to that list now that Microsoft pulled another sleezy move with that latest 'critical' update), including WPA, the lousy quality of the bundled software, the ugly as hell Interface (I use Win2K Standard - I just can't stand that Lolipop shit - It's no MacOS X, fer sure), etc... But, I moved to it to explicity get _away_ from a dual-boot Win2K/98 scenario. LOL! And now I"m still dual-booting, only with two discreet installs of WinXP. One for general apps, and one for strictly gaming. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Steve Lane > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On 01 Jul 2002 05:17:10 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) posted: > > > > > >>Gotcha. But I'm with Dave - I'm not going to XP *anytime* soon... > >> > >>Eldred > > > >Luddites! It's more than change for the hell of it, a lot more. Do as > >I do and use a dual boot of Win98/XP and you won't have any problem > >games or game controllers to contend with. And if you're really > >adventurous try a triple boot of Win98/XP/Linux sometime for some more > >added fun with your PC. > > Ok, so I'm a Luddite - I'll admit it. I just haven't seen anything from

XP > that makes me want to run out and plunk down my money for it. Then havingto > spend more money to upgrade my hardware because XP doesn't like what Ihave. > Then spend 3 weeks getting it to work right. Then finally giving up onsome of

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> my games because they don't run anymore(or having to fart around with dual > boot).... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI > 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, > VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact

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> > > But WHAT does it do? What difference does this kernal or that kernal > make > > if I'm gaming? > > Increased stability, increased managment of resources, the ability to keep > the PC running without rebooting it several times a day and so on.

Stability is not an issue with me. ONce I get the various components all working properly, (it took me months to square away the Nvidia card) I rarely have lockups. Resource management? I use enditall2 to squash most resource hogs. and running several days....ok that is an improvement. I CAN run the computer for weeks, but I also can lock it up if I start running abunch of different programs...some are more touchy than others. So I will give you that feature...but still, since I'm not much into 24 hour online racing(neat thought tho) it doesn't effect my simming much. I have far more problems with my cable connection stopping for no reason, or my wife dloading something or my son and his 3 friends playing Warcraft3 allnight.

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> > Surely there has GOT to be some > > reason to spend $100 or $200 dollars than just lockups? Gimmie the cash > and > > I'll move up another notch on the cpu scale. > > davehenrie > > > > I also use my PC for development work, common tasks like word processing, > radio decoding as well as games along with the usual net applications. My > PC is fast and stable - i can leave it on literally weeks at a time and

not > have to reboot it. If an errant app crashes it doesnt take down the restof > the OS. All these pretty vital for me. good points all. I TRIED to write a book once using a computer...got the whole plot line the characters, the backstory....but I never got very far because I kept playing games.... :) So I took all that business stuff and wiped it out....made more room on the hardrive for games... lol. dave henrie > >

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:20:41 -0400, Steve Lane <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Oh yea, it's really amazing how you have to spend hours downloading > loads of RPM's just to get basic 2D (ther is no 3D) accelerartion on a > Radeon 8500. I have Mandrake and the hardware suppport and method to > upgrade drivers is pathetic. It's not ready for prime time is my > opinion. Well Steve, the leading edge is the bleeding edge as the saying goes. Don't blame Linux for non-cooperative hardware manufacturers. All my nvidia cards (and v3 before that) work "wundervoll" both in 2D and 3D. Sorry to hear of your problems. Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:27:40 -0400, Steve Lane <[email hidden]> wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:38:48 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp > Bleeding edge my ass. That's why Mandrake ships with Lynx? Heh. Lynx is there so you have a browser on a server system with no need to run Lynx. Lynx is also good for use in monitoring scripts on webservers. The tone of this conversation has deteriorated alarmingly. Your Linux experience must have been a nasty one, indeed. Sorry. Topic closed. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:38:48 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:27:40 -0400, Steve Lane <[email hidden]> wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:38:48 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp > >> Bleeding edge my ass. That's why Mandrake ships with Lynx? Heh. > > Lynx is there so you have a browser on a server system with no > need to run Lynx. Lynx is also good for use in monitoring

Argh, that should have read "X" or, in other words, a graphical desktop. uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:38:48 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp > <[email hidden]> posted: > > > >>Well Steve, the leading edge is the bleeding edge as the saying >>goes. Don't blame Linux for non-cooperative hardware >>manufacturers. >> >>All my nvidia cards (and v3 before that) work "wundervoll" both >>in 2D and 3D. >> >>Sorry to hear of your problems. >> >>Uwe > > > Bleeding edge my ass. That's why Mandrake ships with Lynx? Heh. > Just go buy a bleeding edge video and soundcard and see how bleeding > edge Linux is. It's an enthusiast OS and has no place in the > mainstream home market. Or as someone else already pointed out, it > serves as a server well. Run it out of interest if you like but I hope > most people have the good sense to not expect it to become a > replacement for Windows any time soon.

Had this been a legitimate inquiry into Linux, I'd have pointed out there are a number of hardware manufacturers who won't cooperate with the Open Source community. It therefore makes no sense whatsoever to blame the distros for hardware that doesn't fully work. Address blame where it rightfully belongs, with the hardware vendors themselves. However, by your tone you don't really seek any kind of understanding. You just want to blast things you don't understand. Pity. -- Fester

In article <%5JU8.15938$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, > >There's nothing wrong with NOT buying XP. Speaking for my own posts >earlier, my only point is that XP does not suffer from the Anti-Game >attitude that NT and, to a lesser extent but still annoying, 2K does. > >Sticking with Win9x is fine (well, for now of course). Just make sure you >are staying for the right reasons :) >

Lack of patience, and lack of money...<g> > >But, I moved to it to explicity get _away_ from a dual-boot Win2K/98 >scenario. > >LOL! And now I"m still dual-booting, only with two discreet installs of >WinXP. One for general apps, and one for strictly gaming. <insert Nelson laugh> HA...ha... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.