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I see this happening more and more on different web sites. You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button to advance to page 2. BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' button, shows up. You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance to page 2 of the article. Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell.

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> I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > to advance to page 2. > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > button, shows up. > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > to page 2 of the article. > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell.

Boycott. And mail the authors/webmasters and tell them why. Don't email them. Anyone can email. It devalues the written complaint. If I'm dissatisfied with something I never, ever email about it. If you take the time to pen and mail a letter, it makes an impact, especially in this day and age. Plus they can't as quickly or flippantly discard your argument as irrelevant. I took such measures when a favorite site of mine started doing it. I didn't get a reply, but they quit doing it posthaste. -- http://home.cfl.rr.com/delversdungeon/index.htm Remove the X's in my email address to respond. Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global community...a village!" My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?"

Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, and plugins, or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source code and look for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to the top of the source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGI access, then download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view it as a text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a number tied to a URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing, you're screwed. "Bill Silvey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I26U8.108188$[email hidden]...

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> > > "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > > to advance to page 2. > > > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > > button, shows up. > > > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > > to page 2 of the article. > > > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. > > Boycott. And mail the authors/webmasters and tell them why. Don't email > them. Anyone can email. It devalues the written complaint. If I'm > dissatisfied with something I never, ever email about it. If you take the > time to pen and mail a letter, it makes an impact, especially in this day > and age. Plus they can't as quickly or flippantly discard your argument

as > irrelevant. I took such measures when a favorite site of mine starteddoing

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> it. I didn't get a reply, but they quit doing it posthaste. > > > > -- > http://home.cfl.rr.com/delversdungeon/index.htm > Remove the X's in my email address to respond. > Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global > community...a village!" > My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?" > >

"Bill Silvey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I26U8.108188$[email hidden]...

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> > > "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > > to advance to page 2. > > > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > > button, shows up. > > > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > > to page 2 of the article. > > > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. > > Boycott. And mail the authors/webmasters and tell them why. Don't email > them. Anyone can email. It devalues the written complaint. If I'm > dissatisfied with something I never, ever email about it. If you take the > time to pen and mail a letter, it makes an impact, especially in this day > and age. Plus they can't as quickly or flippantly discard your argument

as > irrelevant. I took such measures when a favorite site of mine starteddoing > it. I didn't get a reply, but they quit doing it posthaste. So what'd they do afterwards to, yknow, keep the site up and pay the people that work on it? Tom

On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:54:58 -0500, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > >You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button >to advance to page 2. > >BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window >not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' >button, shows up. > >You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance >to page 2 of the article. > >Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. >

What's even more annoying is that these goddamn pages usually require cookies to pass. If you hit "Continue" with cookies turned off, you simply refresh the page. I am amazed at how many sites require cookies these days.

I just wouldn't visit the site again. I would find this beyond acceptible. -Larry "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > to advance to page 2. > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > button, shows up. > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > to page 2 of the article. > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. >

Be LESS annoying. If you annoy your users away, advertisers won't pay anyway. This is beyond acceptible and I suspect will be a short-lived experiment. There's _always_ somewhere else to go. The web's a big place :) -Larry "Tom Meyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1u6U8.2510$[email hidden]...

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> "Bill Silvey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:I26U8.108188$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > > > > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > > > to advance to page 2. > > > > > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > > > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a

'continue' > > > button, shows up. > > > > > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finallyadvance > > > to page 2 of the article. > > > > > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. > > > > Boycott. And mail the authors/webmasters and tell them why. Don'temail > > them. Anyone can email. It devalues the written complaint. If I'm > > dissatisfied with something I never, ever email about it. If you takethe > > time to pen and mail a letter, it makes an impact, especially in thisday

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> > and age. Plus they can't as quickly or flippantly discard your argument > as > > irrelevant. I took such measures when a favorite site of mine started > doing > > it. I didn't get a reply, but they quit doing it posthaste. > > So what'd they do afterwards to, yknow, keep the site up and pay the

people > that work on it? > > Tom > >

"Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button > to advance to page 2. > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > button, shows up. > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > to page 2 of the article. > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell.

Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ -Krud

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0400, "Flakk" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, and plugins, >or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source code and look >for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to the top of the >source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGI access, then >download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view it as a >text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a number tied to a >URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing, you're >screwed.

Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page than go thru this long drawn out process? lol Steven

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> >"Bill Silvey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:I26U8.108188$[email hidden]... >> >> >> "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > I see this happening more and more on different web sites. >> > >> > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button >> > to advance to page 2. >> > >> > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window >> > not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' >> > button, shows up. >> > >> > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance >> > to page 2 of the article. >> > >> > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. >> >> Boycott. And mail the authors/webmasters and tell them why. Don't email >> them. Anyone can email. It devalues the written complaint. If I'm >> dissatisfied with something I never, ever email about it. If you take the >> time to pen and mail a letter, it makes an impact, especially in this day >> and age. Plus they can't as quickly or flippantly discard your argument >as >> irrelevant. I took such measures when a favorite site of mine started >doing >> it. I didn't get a reply, but they quit doing it posthaste. >> >> >> >> -- >> http://home.cfl.rr.com/delversdungeon/index.htm >> Remove the X's in my email address to respond. >> Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global >> community...a village!" >> My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?" >> >> >

Or check out the excellent Agnitum Outpost free firewall, which has ad-blocking built in. -- - - Almost, sweet talk, caffeine ... -

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> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0400, "Flakk" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, and plugins, >>or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source code and look >>for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to the top of the >>source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGI access, then >>download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view it as a >>text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a number tied to a >>URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing, you're >>screwed. > > > > Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page > than go thru this long drawn out process? lol > > Steven

And make them bastards money?? No thanks. Don't reward the leeches. -- Fester

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>>I see this happening more and more on different web sites. >> >>You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button >>to advance to page 2. >> >>BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window >>not a separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' >>button, shows up. >> >>You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance >>to page 2 of the article. >> >>Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. >> > > Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ >

I don't see this feature listed on their site unless a 'pop under' ad is what I'm referring to?

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >Steven wrote: >> >> Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page >> than go thru this long drawn out process? lol > >And make them bastards money?? No thanks. Don't reward the leeches. Exactly who's the leech here? - Gerry Quinn

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Steven wrote: >> >>>Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page >>>than go thru this long drawn out process? lol >> >>And make them bastards money?? No thanks. Don't reward the leeches. > > > Exactly who's the leech here? > > - Gerry Quinn

Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. -- Fester

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the >next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an >income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. Who pays for the web site development? -- (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:44:22 GMT, "Krud" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ nice link, it pops up a bloody advert :-) -- (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

>Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ nice link, it pops up a ***y advert :-) -- (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

The Web USED to be a place where people got together for the free exchange of information and the sharing of common hobbies, idea's and objectives. Now everyone want's to become a millionaire by selling advertising. I tend to visit sites that are more old-school. I don't mind banner ad's in the least, but this "push it in their face until they cry uncle" horseshit just doesn't cut it with me. To me, it's the same as that bozo that calls you at home in the middle of dinner, wanting to pedal life insurance or something. -Larry "Sith Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the > >next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an > >income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. > > Who pays for the web site development? > > -- > (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:10:40 +0100, Whilst waiting for the hammer to fall Sith Lord <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:44:22 GMT, "Krud" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ > >nice link, it pops up a bloody advert :-)

ROTFLMAO :O Try pop up killer. small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html HTH :O)

LOL! -Larry "Shep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:10:40 +0100, Whilst waiting for the hammer to > fall Sith Lord <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:44:22 GMT, "Krud" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > >>Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ > > > > >nice link, it pops up a bloody advert :-) > > ROTFLMAO :O > > Try pop up killer. > small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. > http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html > HTH :O) >

LOL! -Larry

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:10:40 +0100, Whilst waiting for the hammer to > >>Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ > >nice link, it pops up a ***y advert :-) > ROTFLMAO :O > Try pop up killer. > small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. > http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html > HTH :O)

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Shep <[email hidden]> wrote: > Try pop up killer. > small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. > http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html Waugh. That program is like killing mosquitos with a bazooka. I did actually use it for a while; it's better than nothing, but having to play the "control key" game whenever I launch a new IE window got very annoying (almost as annoying as the popups :) In addition, the popups still were created; PopupStopper just closed them quickly (so they were still distracting). I now push Proxomitron (http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/download.html) It takes a small bit of configuring (and blocks way too many things by default), but it's extremely powerful and very "forget it's even running" once it's configured properly.

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:00:26 +0000 (UTC), Whilst waiting for the hammer to fall Eric VanHeest <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Shep <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Try pop up killer. >> small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. >> http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html > >Waugh. That program is like killing mosquitos with a bazooka. I did >actually use it for a while; it's better than nothing, but having to >play the "control key" game whenever I launch a new IE window got very >annoying (almost as annoying as the popups :)

Yes I meant the Ctrl Key %-) but I've never had a problem with it and found it easy to use.I can,if I wish,assign the Ctrl key to my middle mouse button :O)

Whohoo, once more I get to push this Penny Arcade comic: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-04-29rl.html /petern On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:34:36 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The Web USED to be a place where people got together for the free exchange >of information and the sharing of common hobbies, idea's and objectives. > >Now everyone want's to become a millionaire by selling advertising. > >I tend to visit sites that are more old-school. I don't mind banner ad's in >the least, but this "push it in their face until they cry uncle" horseshit >just doesn't cut it with me. To me, it's the same as that bozo that calls >you at home in the middle of dinner, wanting to pedal life insurance or >something. > >-Larry > >"Sith Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the >> >next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an >> >income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. >> >> Who pays for the web site development? >> >> -- >> (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer >

Sith Lord wrote:

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the >>next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an >>income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. > > > Who pays for the web site development? >

Not our problem. The web used to be about the *free* exchange of information. Non-intrusive banner ads are ok if you need some income, but these commercial bastards trying to pimp all us for $$ are full of shit. And people wonder why there are so many anti-capitalists around! :-) -- Fester

Peter Nilsson wrote: > Whohoo, once more I get to push this Penny Arcade comic: > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-04-29rl.html I'd offer up my opinion on this, but I think I'll behave like you leeches & charge you for it instead. Isn't capitalism grand... -- Fester

It's elementary, my dear Uncle Fester <[email hidden]>:

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> Peter Nilsson wrote: >> Whohoo, once more I get to push this Penny Arcade comic: >> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-04-29rl.html > > > I'd offer up my opinion on this, but I think I'll behave like you > leeches & charge you for it instead. Isn't capitalism grand...

Your opinion has to be worth something for you to be able to charge us. -- Knight37 "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain." -- Roy Batty, "Blade Runner"

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> It's elementary, my dear Uncle Fester <[email hidden]>: > > >>Peter Nilsson wrote: >> >>>Whohoo, once more I get to push this Penny Arcade comic: >>>http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-04-29rl.html >> >> >>I'd offer up my opinion on this, but I think I'll behave like you >>leeches & charge you for it instead. Isn't capitalism grand... > > > Your opinion has to be worth something for you to be able to charge us. >

Funny stuff.

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> It's elementary, my dear Uncle Fester <[email hidden]>: > > >>Peter Nilsson wrote: >> >>>Whohoo, once more I get to push this Penny Arcade comic: >>>http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-04-29rl.html >> >> >>I'd offer up my opinion on this, but I think I'll behave like you >>leeches & charge you for it instead. Isn't capitalism grand... > > > Your opinion has to be worth something for you to be able to charge us. >

Just like the information sought after on the web, you'll only find out once I get paid. -- Fester

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Shep <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yes I meant the Ctrl Key %-) > but I've never had a problem with it and found it easy to use.I can,if > I wish,assign the Ctrl key to my middle mouse button :O) It probably depends on how many IE windows you tend to open. My taskbar is typically littered with at least a dozen.

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the > next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an > income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. Then it's simple - start your own website! What's the problem? Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and pay for the bandwidth, just not you?

"Thesaurus Rex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What's even more annoying is that these goddamn pages usually require > cookies to pass. If you hit "Continue" with cookies turned off, you > simply refresh the page. I am amazed at how many sites require > cookies these days. What really annoys me is sites using Java script to launch new windows when you wanna view screenshots etc - I use ad and script blocking software which means none of these stupid javascript using sites actually work by default.... There's no need for javascript to view god damn full size pics from thumbnails!!

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> "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >>Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the >>next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an >>income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. > > > Then it's simple - start your own website! What's the problem? > > Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel > others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and pay > for the bandwidth, just not you?

Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think *everything* has to be $$. -- Fester

"Eric VanHeest" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afst8a$anf$[email hidden]...

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> Waugh. That program is like killing mosquitos with a bazooka. I did > actually use it for a while; it's better than nothing, but having to > play the "control key" game whenever I launch a new IE window got very > annoying (almost as annoying as the popups :) In addition, the popups > still were created; PopupStopper just closed them quickly (so they were > still distracting). > > I now push Proxomitron

(http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/download.html) Webwasher all the way for me (www.webwasher.com) Incredibly easy to use and wonderfully effective (and free for home use)

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:36:08 +0100, Shep� <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:10:40 +0100, Whilst waiting for the hammer to >fall Sith Lord <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:44:22 GMT, "Krud" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>>Check out Adsubtract. http://www.adsubtract.com/ >> > >>nice link, it pops up a bloody advert :-) > >ROTFLMAO :O > >Try pop up killer. >small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. >http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html >HTH :O)

Thanks, I'll give that a go. -- (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

Sounds like SOMEONE is annoyed with ign.com! -SSZ

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0400, "Flakk"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, andplugins, > >or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source codeand look > >for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to thetop of the > >source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGIaccess, then > >download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view itas a > >text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a numbertied to a > >URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing,you're > >screwed. > > > Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page > than go thru this long drawn out process? lol But if you do that, then the terrorists have already won.

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:30:07 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >*everything* has to be $$. I love those little Usenet kids pretending to be "businessmen"... So exactly what would be that mystical "customer base" that a website should be generating goodwill for? Do you think only software publishers and other companies that sell goods other than web page content should be running websites? I don't suppose your tiny mind noticed but that's exactly what you've just proposed... -- http://www.kynosarges.de

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>Nitz Walsh wrote: >> >> Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel >> others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and pay >> for the bandwidth, just not you? > >Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >*everything* has to be $$.

Oh, I see, you're a customer! From your original post I thought you were just a random freeloader. - Gerry Quinn

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:30:07 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >>customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >>trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >>*everything* has to be $$. > > > I love those little Usenet kids pretending to be "businessmen"... > > So exactly what would be that mystical "customer base" that a website > should be generating goodwill for? Do you think only software > publishers and other companies that sell goods other than web page > content should be running websites? I don't suppose your tiny mind > noticed but that's exactly what you've just proposed...

Get a grip Nahr! Next you'll be claiming we can drop the pretense that subscriptions are profitable!

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 05:55:38 GMT, "coffeesavant" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0400, "Flakk" ><[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, and >plugins, >> >or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source code >and look >> >for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to the >top of the >> >source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGI >access, then >> >download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view it >as a >> >text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a number >tied to a >> >URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing, >you're >> >screwed. >> >> >> Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page >> than go thru this long drawn out process? lol > >But if you do that, then the terrorists have already won. >

Only if you take notice of the ad an act on it and buy the product they're peddling. -- (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer

Gerry Quinn wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Nitz Walsh wrote: >> >>>Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel >>>others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and pay >>>for the bandwidth, just not you? >> >>Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >>customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >>trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >>*everything* has to be $$. > > > Oh, I see, you're a customer! From your original post I thought you > were just a random freeloader.

Freeload this. -- Fester

Christoph Nahr wrote:

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:30:07 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >>customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >>trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >>*everything* has to be $$. > > > I love those little Usenet kids pretending to be "businessmen"... > > So exactly what would be that mystical "customer base" that a website > should be generating goodwill for? Do you think only software > publishers and other companies that sell goods other than web page > content should be running websites?

Hey Bozo. How many private personal websites have you seen that run full page popup (or pop under) ads? I didn't think so. -- Fester

Uncle Fester wrote: > I don't know why you even bother ... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:22:28 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey Bozo. How many private personal websites have you seen that run >full page popup (or pop under) ads? I didn't think so. Yeah. And that has exactly what to do with "cultivating goodwill amongst your customer base?" See. It's simple. You are a customer only if you pay. If a website isn't used for promoting other goods besides its own pages then these pages are all there is to pay for. And you pay either by looking at intrusive ads or by buying a subscription. Refuse both options, and you're no longer a customer. You don't pay for the website, hence you're just a random freeloader, like Gerry Quinn said. -- http://www.kynosarges.de

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Uncle Fester wrote: > > > I don't know why you even bother ... Agreed. Trying to get thru to the CP's can get frustrating. Uncle Fester, over & out on this one. -- Fester

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:32:48 +0100, Sith Lord <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 05:55:38 GMT, "coffeesavant" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0400, "Flakk" >><[email hidden]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >Or do like any veteran surfer and turn off ActiveX, Javascript, and >>plugins, >>> >or use a browser like Opera or Mozilla. Then view the source code >>and look >>> >for the value referenced by the input button. Then browse to the >>top of the >>> >source and locate it's http ref in the javascript. If it's CGI >>access, then >>> >download the actual .cgi file with a download manager, then view it >>as a >>> >text file and look at the "id" values. They usually have a number >>tied to a >>> >URL in the .cgi file. If it's a referral to server type thing, >>you're >>> >screwed. >>> >>> >>> Wouldn't it just be faster to simply hit "continue" on the ad page >>> than go thru this long drawn out process? lol >> >>But if you do that, then the terrorists have already won. >> > >Only if you take notice of the ad an act on it and buy the product >they're peddling.

Exactly. I'm so used to ignoring ads, on these type of full page ads they are talking about I hit "continue" without so much of a glance at whatever product they are peddling. Until recently pop up ads have been taken care of with Pop-Up Stopper, so those weren't a problem either. The big pain in the ass ads now are the new ones that seem to fly in from the side about the time you are going to start navigating a site. My Pop-Up Stopper won't kill those, so hopefully something comes out soon to deal with them. I don't want to kill option in IE to disable this new ad "feature". Though, can't say I blame the sites. Not like servers, web developers, etc. are free. Steven

As a matter of fact that is indeed the site that prompted this post. S.SubZero wrote: > Sounds like SOMEONE is annoyed with ign.com! > > -SSZ > > >

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: : Sith Lord wrote: :> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> :> wrote: :> :> :>>Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the :>>next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an :>>income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. :> :> :> Who pays for the web site development? :> : Not our problem. The web used to be about the *free* exchange of : information. Non-intrusive banner ads are ok if you need some income, : but these commercial bastards trying to pimp all us for $$ are full of : shit. Who's forcing you to get information from this banner-heavy site? -- hoy xatx hawaii xdotx education

Eric VanHeest <[email hidden]> said:

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>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Shep <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Try pop up killer. >> small/free and you can use the Alt key to let through what you want. >> http://www.panicware.com/product_pshelp.html > >Waugh. That program is like killing mosquitos with a bazooka. I did >actually use it for a while; it's better than nothing, but having to >play the "control key" game whenever I launch a new IE window got very >annoying (almost as annoying as the popups :) In addition, the popups >still were created; PopupStopper just closed them quickly (so they were >still distracting). > >I now push Proxomitron (http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/download.html) >It takes a small bit of configuring (and blocks way too many things by >default), but it's extremely powerful and very "forget it's even >running" once it's configured properly.

Why not just use mozilla? (www.mozilla.org) It blocks pop-ups/pop-unders fine.

[email hidden] (Gerry Quinn) writes:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Nitz Walsh wrote: > >> > >> Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel > >> others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and pay > >> for the bandwidth, just not you? > > > >Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your > >customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are > >trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think > >*everything* has to be $$. > > Oh, I see, you're a customer! From your original post I thought you > were just a random freeloader.

Ahem. Pet peeve: So if he didn't block the ads he would pay for the resources used? Could have fooled me, I thought the costs were offloaded on some innocent third party that happens to buy the wares that are being advertised. Billions of dollars are spent on advertising every year, yet noone has charged me for looking at any ads yet, I wonder where the money comes from. -- -asbjxrn

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (=?iso-8859-1?q?Asbj=F8rn_Bj=F8rnstad?=) wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Gerry Quinn) writes: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >Nitz Walsh wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh, you can't afford the time? You don't have the resources? You feel >> >> others should sacrifice their time and effort to maintain a website and > pay >> >> for the bandwidth, just not you? >> > >> >Ever heard of a loss leader? Of cultivating goodwill amongst your >> >customer base? Some businessman you are. This is why some folks are >> >trying to run the commercial enterprises off the WWW. They think >> >*everything* has to be $$. >> >> Oh, I see, you're a customer! From your original post I thought you >> were just a random freeloader. > >Ahem. >Pet peeve: >So if he didn't block the ads he would pay for the resources used?

I never said that (and actually the ads were unblockable). The point is that he implied that he was one of a 'customer base'. >Could have fooled me, I thought the costs were offloaded on some >innocent third party that happens to buy the wares that are being >advertised. Billions of dollars are spent on advertising every year, >yet noone has charged me for looking at any ads yet, I wonder where >the money comes from. For a website that shows ads, the money comes from the company making a product. For the company making the product, the money comes from customers. The customers pay the company because they have found out about the product and would prefer having it to the money they would otherwise retain. Simple enough for you? As for the costs being off-loaded, it's quite possible that economies of scale coming from having more customers pay for the ads - indeed, it might be that without advertising the product would not exist. Also, customers who learn about the product from ads benefit from them. - Gerry Quinn

> Webwasher all the way for me (www.webwasher.com) Incredibly easy to useand > wonderfully effective (and free for home use) Went to the link, but they say Webwasher does not work on WinXP

"gary colligan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uGiV8.398952$[email hidden]... > > Webwasher all the way for me (www.webwasher.com) Incredibly easy to use > and > > wonderfully effective (and free for home use) > > Went to the link, but they say Webwasher does not work on WinXP yep they do say that - but it works fine for me - only trick is not have it on auto browser setup - then it works correctly regardless of OS.

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sith Lord wrote: > > On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:33:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > >>Those that throw up full page pop-up ads to make money, instead of the > >>next page of information as requested. We are web site visitors, not an > >>income base. Everything doesn't have to be about making freakin' $$. > > > > > > Who pays for the web site development? > > > > > Not our problem. The web used to be about the *free* exchange of > information. Non-intrusive banner ads are ok if you need some income, > but these commercial bastards trying to pimp all us for $$ are full of > shit. > > And people wonder why there are so many anti-capitalists around! :-)

Adverts haven't become more instrusive because sites want to make more money, they're more instrusive because the old-style ones make them less money than they used to. Non-intrusive ads don't pay sites anything like as well as they used to, because advertisers finally cottoned onto the fact that nobody clicks on them. These days, a commercial site can't support itself on simple banner ads - not if it's providing the range of news and services most people expect of a decent game site. And if visitors aren't a site's income base, what is? -- Mark. [email hidden] * Never cross the streams!

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> I see this happening more and more on different web sites. > > You go to a site page 1. Read it. Then click on the 'next' button to > advance to page 2. > > BUT.....before you get to page 2, a web page (in that same window not a > separate window) with nothing but a single big ad and a 'continue' > button, shows up. > > You are then forced to click on the 'continue' button to finally advance > to page 2 of the article. > > Any way to by pass this? It's becoming annoying as hell. >

I suggest everyone run Proxomitron: http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/ You can find more info and some fairly remarkable filters here: http://asp.flaaten.dk/pforum/ This thing will completely rewrite web pages on the fly. You can add your own toolbars, remove ads, reply with false cookies, cloak your browser, just about anything can be done.