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A number 10 car, and "A note to anyone who is planning on going to Goodwood expecting to drive our simulator: There will not be a demo at Goodwood but we shall be announcing our project and will be giving out some information about it" Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to create some internet frenzy" stunt :) -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

So basically we're back to square one. I'm not buying into the hype this time. When I can drive it, I'll either like it or I won't. I think a lot of people (myself included) have set themselves up for disappointment. We all want the perfect sim, and have yet to see it, although some have come very close. The West's new sim - which most likely won't be called WSC - has the potential, but then again, so have a few others that have not lived up to expectations. We'll just have to wait and see... - David Cook "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> A number 10 car, and > > "A note to anyone who is planning on going to Goodwood expecting to > drive our simulator: There will not be a demo at Goodwood but we shall > be announcing our project and will be giving out some information > about it" > > Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to > create some internet frenzy" stunt :) > > -- > Olav Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

Yeah, I agree, no point in buying in on hype... when a demo or full release is out, then maybe we can get excited, but not before. And besides, we have FIAGTv3 to keep us busy now.

I know the secret. The West are going to announce their new game. It's a monster raising, extreme skateboard game, with online multiplayer capture the flag play, all taking place in a massive persistant online hi-tech urban hip-hop world..... oh yeah... it is for the XBox and PS2.... Seriously. How can this game, or any other live up to the hype. This game is being set-up to be all things to all people. With this wide of a scope, how can the game ever make everyone happy? Brit btgoss "none" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eyiU8.3176$[email hidden]... > Yeah, I agree, no point in buying in on hype... when a demo or fullrelease > is out, then maybe we can get excited, but not before. And besides, wehave > FIAGTv3 to keep us busy now. > >

> Seriously. How can this game, or any other live up to the hype. This gameis > being set-up to be all things to all people. With this wide of a scope,how > can the game ever make everyone happy? I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net Code, 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package would be sufficient. No title to date has got all of that right. I'm looking forward to the first one that will Doug

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> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net Code, > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package would be > sufficient. > > No title to date has got all of that right. > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > > Doug > > > >

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> ...and good net code <g> > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:afsfga$ge3om$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net

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And good physics. :P Doug

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> > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7NjU8.842$[email hidden]... > > ...and good net code <g> > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:afsfga$ge3om$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net > Code, > > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package

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> be > > > sufficient. > > > > > > No title to date has got all of that right. > > > > > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > > > > > > Doug > > And good physics. > > :P > > Doug > >

Dont forget the net code ;)

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net Code, > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package would be > sufficient. And since it's supposed to be a very open sim, it really needs some way to check that the drivers entering an online race don't drive anything else than what they are supposed to drive. Online racing won't be much fun if the server can't detect a driver having to much horsepower, to much grip or whatever. _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

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>> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net >> Code, >> > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package >would >> be >> > > sufficient. >> > > >> > > No title to date has got all of that right. >> > > >> > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will >> > > >> > > Doug >> >> And good physics. >> >> :P >> >> Doug>> >Dont forget the net code ;)

You forgot multiplayer ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

I only want to race against AI on multiplayer over internet :& "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:44:43 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ... > >> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net > >> Code, > >> > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package > >would > >> be > >> > > sufficient. > >> > > > >> > > No title to date has got all of that right. > >> > > > >> > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > >> > > > >> > > Doug > >> > >> And good physics. > >> > >> :P > >> > >> Doug>> > >Dont forget the net code ;) > > You forgot multiplayer ;-) > > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:49:33 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So basically we're back to square one. > >I'm not buying into the hype this time. Uh, Chris and Tony haven't hyped anything in over a year. It's ridiculous to get upset about a game being hyped when the developers haven't been allowed to even talk about it. How is that hype? Now that they can actually give information again, things will be better. People forget that Dave Kaemmer himself was highly impressed with this sim, and that was 2 years ago. Jason

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:49:33 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >So basically we're back to square one. > > > >I'm not buying into the hype this time. > > Uh, Chris and Tony haven't hyped anything in over a year. It's > ridiculous to get upset about a game being hyped when the developers > haven't been allowed to even talk about it. How is that hype? > > Now that they can actually give information again, things will be > better. People forget that Dave Kaemmer himself was highly impressed > with this sim, and that was 2 years ago. > > Jason

I was referring to the hype two or three years ago - I don't even remember how long it's been. I'm not upset either. Just not going to get my hopes up. - David

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:57:10 GMT, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was referring to the hype two or three years ago - I don't even remember >how long it's been. I'm not upset either. Just not going to get my hopes >up. I'd say that was probably the best strategy from day 1. =) I sort of expected this countdown was just going to mark the day that the Wests could talk again, which I'm excited about. Not getting my hopes up or anything, but I'm interested in seeing what their plans are. Jason

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> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:44:43 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ... > >> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net > >> Code, > >> > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package > >would > >> be > >> > > sufficient. > >> > > > >> > > No title to date has got all of that right. > >> > > > >> > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > >> > > > >> > > Doug > >> > >> And good physics. > >> > >> :P > >> > >> Doug>> > >Dont forget the net code ;) > > You forgot multiplayer ;-) > >

Ahhh, but you forgot..... ok ok i quit :P Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

>"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > So basically we're back to square one. Yeah, we're going back to point zero of a couple of years ago when we started to have information/screenshots/movies/whatever. Somehow, it's a step forward by taking a step backwards? ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote > Seriously. How can this game, or any other live up to the hype. This gameis > being set-up to be all things to all people. With this wide of a scope,how > can the game ever make everyone happy? Reminds me of Star Wars : Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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>"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote > "Ashley McConnell" wrote: > >> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net > >> Code, > >> > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package > >> > >would be sufficient. > >> > > > >> > > No title to date has got all of that right. > >> > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > >> > >> > >> And good physics. > >> > >> :P > >> > >> Doug>> > >Dont forget the net code ;) > > You forgot multiplayer ;-)

What about online racing? Let's not forget! :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > Uh, Chris and Tony haven't hyped anything in over a year. Not hyping after hyping = hyping. Errrr, <confusion mode : on> At least it's not "The West Brothers are going to make you their bitch!" � la John Romero :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:39:38 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not hyping after hyping = hyping. Tony and Chris never hyped it tho. They gave some interviews and released a few screenshots and movies, and then Empire made them their bitches. All the hype that I've seen was generated by gaming websites and over zealous fans. Anyway, I'm excited to find out about this historic sportscar game they've been working on. =) Jason

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:39:38 -0400, "ymenard" >Not hyping after hyping = hyping. Tony and Chris never hyped it tho. They gave some interviews and released a few screenshots and movies, and then Empire made them their ***es. All the hype that I've seen was generated by *** websites and over zealous fans. Anyway, I'm e***d to find out about this historic sportscar game they've been working on. =) Jason

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:53:22 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: >Now that they can actually give information again, things will be >better. People forget that Dave Kaemmer himself was highly impressed >with this sim, and that was 2 years ago. > >Jason Just out of curiosity, where did you read this? Andre

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> On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:53:22 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) > wrote: > > >Now that they can actually give information again, things will be > >better. People forget that Dave Kaemmer himself was highly impressed > >with this sim, and that was 2 years ago. > > > >Jason > > Just out of curiosity, where did you read this?

At High Gear. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

Anyway, I'm excited to find out about this historic sportscar game > they've been working on. =) > > Jason If we have to wait much longer it might be more like "pre-historic" :-) -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:39:38 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: >

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:39 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Reminds me of Star Wars : Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace ;-) Barely possible... Phantom Menace is the CART: Precision Racing of movies.

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:39:38 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >Just out of curiosity, where did you read this? High Gear did an interview with Chris and Tony at E3 in 2000. Dave Kaemmer popped by and kept talking about how completely amazed he was with their physics model. Jason

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xaoU8.1947$[email hidden]... > >"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote > > "Ashley McConnell" wrote: > > >> > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics,Net

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> > >> Code, > > >> > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package > > >> > >would be sufficient. > > >> > > > > >> > > No title to date has got all of that right. > > >> > > I'm looking forward to the first one that will > > >> > > >> > > >> And good physics. > > >> > > >> :P > > >> > > >> Doug>> > > >Dont forget the net code ;) > > > > You forgot multiplayer ;-) > > > What about online racing? Let's not forget! :) >

while you all are argueing about who's gonna rush the net in doubles, you should also be requesting other important things...like the blow-up Pit babe that is shipped with the package. dave henrie

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> Olav Malmin wrote: > > A number 10 car, and > > > > "A note to anyone who is planning on going to Goodwood expecting to > > drive our simulator: There will not be a demo at Goodwood but we shall > > be announcing our project and will be giving out some information > > about it" > > > > Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to > > create some internet frenzy" stunt :) > > > > This is the best news I've heard all year! This will be the first time > that Jackie Ickxx will be at Goodwood and F3000 driver Nick Heidfeld > will be showing his skills at the wheel of the Mclaren MP4. Should be a > great show.

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> > > > What about online racing? Let's not forget! :) > > > while you all are argueing about who's gonna rush the net in doubles,you > should also be requesting other important things...like the blow-up Pitbabe > that is shipped with the package. > dave henrie > LOL :D Ash

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:52:11 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: ... > while you all are argueing about who's gonna rush the net in doubles, you >should also be requesting other important things...like the blow-up Pit babe >that is shipped with the package. Is that blow-up as in explosive or is it one of those blow-jup ones? ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:43:07 GMT, "DTP" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Anyway, I'm excited to find out about this historic sportscar game >> they've been working on. =) >> >> Jason > >If we have to wait much longer it might be more like "pre-historic" :-) With Hanna & Barbera as major sponsors. :) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

In article <[email hidden]>, Olav Malmin <[email hidden]> writes: >Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to >create some internet frenzy" stunt :) Sounds like all the Star Wars media blitz. "Don't belive the hype." - Chuck D., Public Enemy Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, Net Code, >3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package would be >sufficient. > >No title to date has got all of that right. > >I'm looking forward to the first one that will

I don't think it's possible. It will just be "How good is *good enough*" for most people. I'll make my determination if a demo ever comes out. Right now, I won't care about the game. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:41:05 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: >High Gear did an interview with Chris and Tony at E3 in 2000. Dave >Kaemmer popped by and kept talking about how completely amazed he was >with their physics model. > >Jason Cool, that sounds promising :) Andre

Yabba, dabba, do!!! -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:43:07 GMT, "DTP" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Anyway, I'm excited to find out about this historic sportscar game > >> they've been working on. =) > >> > >> Jason > > > >If we have to wait much longer it might be more like "pre-historic" :-) > > With Hanna & Barbera as major sponsors. :) > > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ >

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > In article <[email hidden]>, Olav Malmin > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to > >create some internet frenzy" stunt :) > > Sounds like all the Star Wars media blitz.

Hmmm, no. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Mats Lofkvist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > I think we can all agree that good Physics, Net Code, Graphics, NetCode, > > 3rd party expandability tools and Replay's all in the one package wouldbe

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> > sufficient. > > And since it's supposed to be a very open sim, it really needs > some way to check that the drivers entering an online race don't > drive anything else than what they are supposed to drive. > > Online racing won't be much fun if the server can't detect > a driver having to much horsepower, to much grip or whatever.

SHould do your research really. It's been mentioned in the pass that for cars to go public and race online - they will have to go thru an authentication/locking procedure by Chris and Tony - thus making them uneditable in the future. This guarentees that what someone races online is what it appears to be Let us not forget - that cheating in F12001 mods is as easy as editing a txt file. I made a 400kph beast in 30 seconds. Doug

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>>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote >> In article <[email hidden]>, Olav Malmin >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Chris and Tony must have a really field day with their latest "How to >> >create some internet frenzy" stunt :) >> >> Sounds like all the Star Wars media blitz. > > >Hmmm, no.

Heyy - others made that comparison, too. Go jump on *them*... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > Heyy - others made that comparison, too. Go jump on *them*... :-) I was one of them, but it was different from what you wrote. Technically, Lucasfilm did promote Episode 1 incredibly well. Too well, I would say. But there was substance behind it, it was Star Wars for fricking's sake! ;-) Not anything against the West Bros. here, but I don't see in their list anything that could compare to let's say the route sheet of George Lucas. Anyway, Episode 1 was good. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> "Mats Lofkvist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > And since it's supposed to be a very open sim, it really needs > > some way to check that the drivers entering an online race don't > > drive anything else than what they are supposed to drive. > > It's been mentioned in the pass that for cars to go public and race online - > they will have to go thru an authentication/locking procedure by Chris and > Tony - thus making them uneditable in the future. This guarentees that what > someone races online is what it appears to be

Thats good news (well, new to me at least) indeed. Looks like most of the important features are there on the spec list, back to the discussion about if it will ever materialize in the real world :-) _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]