best wheel whith GPL

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"murator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afs35m$keu$[email hidden]... > what is? If you want force feedback - Probably the Logitech Momo Force wheel. If you dont - BRD Sim Pro wheel In either case - BRD Speed 7 Pedals are your best choice for something to put your feet on Doug

> If you want force feedback - Probably the Logitech Momo Force wheel. > > If you dont - BRD Sim Pro wheel > > In either case - BRD Speed 7 Pedals are your best choice for something to > put your feet on I'm not familiar with these. Are they better than TSW pedals? I'm currently looking for some good replacement pedals for my Logi wheel but don't want to spend more than about $150US... Damien

> I'm not familiar with these. Are they better than TSW pedals? I'm > currently looking for some good replacement pedals for my Logi wheel but > don't want to spend more than about $150US... www.interactiveracing.com Doug

$150 US will buy some plastic shit, you gotta spend $400US to get a pukka wheel.... Anyone using 150US wheels made of plastic, and not tried a solid metal BRD/hypersim plz refrain from comment :) Damien Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afujn0$hbj8u$[email hidden]... > > If you want force feedback - Probably the Logitech Momo Force wheel. > > > > If you dont - BRD Sim Pro wheel > > > > In either case - BRD Speed 7 Pedals are your best choice for somethingto

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> > put your feet on > > I'm not familiar with these. Are they better than TSW pedals? I'm > currently looking for some good replacement pedals for my Logi wheel but > don't want to spend more than about $150US... > > Damien > >

David Powell wrote: > > $150 US will buy some plastic shit, you gotta spend $400US to get a pukka > wheel.... > > Anyone using 150US wheels made of plastic, and not tried a solid metal > BRD/hypersim plz refrain from comment :) US220 will buy you a TSW2 "Stock" Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Eh? My $99 MSFFW is 2 years old, is GREAT for GPL, and is built like a tank. It's never given a hint of trouble. Others echo my experience. The only issue I've ever heard about, and that was just in the last 2 days, was a gent that broke a pedal spring. You don't have to spend $400 to enjoy GPL, and in fact I suspect that $400 wheel is not force feedback. GPL is much easier to race with Force Feedback, and it has one of the best implementations there has ever been. -Larry "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> $150 US will buy some plastic shit, you gotta spend $400US to get a pukka > wheel.... > > Anyone using 150US wheels made of plastic, and not tried a solid metal > BRD/hypersim plz refrain from comment :) > > > Damien Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:afujn0$hbj8u$[email hidden]... > > > If you want force feedback - Probably the Logitech Momo Force wheel. > > > > > > If you dont - BRD Sim Pro wheel > > > > > > In either case - BRD Speed 7 Pedals are your best choice for something > to > > > put your feet on > > > > I'm not familiar with these. Are they better than TSW pedals? I'm > > currently looking for some good replacement pedals for my Logi wheel but > > don't want to spend more than about $150US... > > > > Damien > > > > > >

I personally like force feedback. No Dave I have not tried the metal pedals but I would like to. I have raced with you several times and if you say it is that much better then that is all I need to hear. I think an excellent combo would be the BRD seven pedals and the Logitech momo. I wonder how the momo wheel compares to a TSW or a BRD? Dave? "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YsFU8.15290$%%[email hidden]...

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> Eh? > > My $99 MSFFW is 2 years old, is GREAT for GPL, and is built like a tank. > It's never given a hint of trouble. > > Others echo my experience. > > The only issue I've ever heard about, and that was just in the last 2

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> was a gent that broke a pedal spring. > > You don't have to spend $400 to enjoy GPL, and in fact I suspect that $400 > wheel is not force feedback. GPL is much easier to race with Force > Feedback, and it has one of the best implementations there has ever been. > > -Larry > > "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > $150 US will buy some plastic shit, you gotta spend $400US to get a

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> > wheel.... > > > > Anyone using 150US wheels made of plastic, and not tried a solid metal > > BRD/hypersim plz refrain from comment :) > > > > > > Damien Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:afujn0$hbj8u$[email hidden]... > > > > If you want force feedback - Probably the Logitech Momo Force wheel. > > > > > > > > If you dont - BRD Sim Pro wheel > > > > > > > > In either case - BRD Speed 7 Pedals are your best choice for

something > > to > > > > put your feet on > > > > > > I'm not familiar with these. Are they better than TSW pedals? I'm > > > currently looking for some good replacement pedals for my Logi wheelbut

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> > > don't want to spend more than about $150US... > > > > > > Damien > > > > > > > > > > > >

David Powell wrote: > > $150 US will buy some plastic shit, you gotta spend $400US to get a pukka > wheel.... > > Anyone using 150US wheels made of plastic, and not tried a solid metal > BRD/hypersim plz refrain from comment :) Wouldn't dream of commenting. BTW the money I saved by NOT buying a BRD/hypersim was enough to buy a 250cc kart. Zoom zoom. The Momo in good enough, and it's made with lots of metal! Gerry

Brian Bowles wrote: > I wonder how the > momo wheel compares to a TSW or a BRD? Dave? It's light years ahead, using micro processors to communicate with the software and reproduce a realistic racing experience. While TSW use two springs and BRD use a lump of rubber hose. HA! Someone tell 'em it's the 21st century FFS! <g> Gerry

Uh, Gerry. Where'd you get that kart? They got more? ;-) Jim Gerry Aitken wrote: > ... > Wouldn't dream of commenting. BTW the money I saved by NOT buying a > BRD/hypersim was enough to buy a 250cc kart. > ... > > Gerry

David I agree that the BRD are much better. The problem is the price. The price may even be a fair one based on the complexity of the build and the workmanship along with the number sold. I just wish there was a quality pedal unit that was not quite as much. "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > A wheel is all about the pedals...any wheel can be turned and create a > movement, but all the important stuff is done with the pedals.. > > the new BRD speed7's are the best currently available and the wheel no > longer uses rubber hose but has a solid return spring and variousupgrades, > the rubber hose was actually the Zye Technologies produced wheel, madefrom > BRD designs i believe. Zye went bust not suprising poorly producedproduct, > but BRD make the excellent design properly...As a non FF wheel the unit is > very good, not as good or as strong as my hyper unit though. The old BRD > pedals were good metal units with strength and good pedal feel, the new > Speed7's are totally adjustable for position, rack etc, come with a > processor unit that levels pot spikes etc, an evolution on anything > currently available. These are metal products and after using plasticpedals

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> the feel, movement and adjustablity of plastic units is useless, anything > with MOMO, Logitech, MS on it has shit pedals. > > Im sure from the pics youll see the difference better the quality of metal > units. Also comfort of use, having to lift you feet off the pedals all the > time with horizontal feet flat on the pedals is awful! ala MOMO... Being > able to use your legs flat and having your feet at 90degrees to horizontal > is so much more comfortable, like a race car flat legs vertical feet, im

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> ankle agony after 5mins of cheapo pedals.... > > Theres to many reasons to aviod plastic mainstream wheels...... > > > > > > > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Brian Bowles wrote: > > > I wonder how the > > > momo wheel compares to a TSW or a BRD? Dave? > > > > It's light years ahead, using micro processors to communicate with the > > software and reproduce a realistic racing experience. While TSW use two > > springs and BRD use a lump of rubber hose. HA! Someone tell 'em it's the > > 21st century FFS! <g> > > > > Gerry > > >

The Carvalho Family wrote: > > Uh, Gerry. Where'd you get that kart? They got more? ;-) 2nd hand, UKP2500. That's about the same as a fully loaded hyper.

why not have both? :) toys are what make life..... Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > The Carvalho Family wrote: > > > > Uh, Gerry. Where'd you get that kart? They got more? ;-) > > 2nd hand, UKP2500. That's about the same as a fully loaded hyper.

"David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > check out whats in the pipeline from BRD for wheels > > That is a seriously beefy looking motor assembly. dave henrie

David Powell wrote: > why not have both? :) toys are what make life..... I think the hyper looks silly. :) I also hate 'simulators' that try to look like the thing they are simulating from the outside. Have a look at the photo second from the left on the top line: http://www.pabst-racing.com/Winstoncuptesting2002/index.html That's more like it! Cheers Gerry

some people just have poor taste i guess :P Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > David Powell wrote: > > > why not have both? :) toys are what make life..... > > I think the hyper looks silly. :) I also hate 'simulators' that try to > look like the thing they are simulating from the outside. > > Have a look at the photo second from the left on the top line: > > http://www.pabst-racing.com/Winstoncuptesting2002/index.html > > That's more like it! > > Cheers > > Gerry

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>why not have both? :) toys are what make life..... > >Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> The Carvalho Family wrote: >> > >> > Uh, Gerry. Where'd you get that kart? They got more? ;-) >> >> 2nd hand, UKP2500. That's about the same as a fully loaded hyper.

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> Eh? > > My $99 MSFFW is 2 years old, is GREAT for GPL, and is built like a tank. > It's never given a hint of trouble. > > Others echo my experience. >

As you said, my Microsoft Force Feedback Wheel is 3 1/2 years old now, without problems. It is better than Logi, it keeps its quality over the years, because it has no mechanical (now it comes: my english ;-)) "looking how the angles of the wheel are, but it has optical steering of the potis (hope, someone will understand these words). Rolf

"Rolf Wesemann" wrote in message > As you said, my Microsoft Force Feedback Wheel is 3 1/2 years old now, > without problems. It is better than Logi, it keeps its quality over the > years, because it has no mechanical (now it comes: my english ;-))"looking > how the angles of the wheel are, but it has optical steering of the potis > (hope, someone will understand these words). And, of course, the use of optics instead of a potentiometer gives it a lower steering resolution than other force feedback wheels ;-) -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com

Does this mean, I have not the same precision as with a mechanical wheel? Rolf "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ai4adh$110rd6$[email hidden]...

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> > "Rolf Wesemann" wrote in message > > As you said, my Microsoft Force Feedback Wheel is 3 1/2 years old now, > > without problems. It is better than Logi, it keeps its quality over the > > years, because it has no mechanical (now it comes: my english ;-)) > "looking > > how the angles of the wheel are, but it has optical steering of the

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> > (hope, someone will understand these words). > > And, of course, the use of optics instead of a potentiometer gives it a > lower steering resolution than other force feedback wheels ;-) > > > -- > Slot > > Tweaks & Reviews > www.slottweak.com > >

Yes, that's what it means. Have you ever wondered why the high end wheels, like TSW, BRD, & ECCI don't use optics? Optics used in a wheel (a mouse is a different story) are capable of greater resolution, but suffer from jitters. By the time they get the jitters out, the resulting resolution is less. Sometimes much less. One optical joystick MS had (I don't know if it's still made) had a resolution of only 25. The MSFF isn't that bad, maybe 96 (if I remember correctly). Using a pot it's generally above 128 and nearer 256 which, I believe, is the mechanical limit Windows will see. High quality pots will generally have better resolution than lower quality ones. Higher resolution means more precision and faster lap times. It can be deceiving because you may not notice any difference while driving, but you will get better lap times - always. The MSFF could be one of the most dependable FF wheels made, but it is at the expense of precision. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Rolf Wesemann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ai4g9u$v5n$02$[email hidden]... > Does this mean, I have not the same precision as with a mechanical wheel? > Rolf > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:ai4adh$110rd6$[email hidden]... > > > > "Rolf Wesemann" wrote in message > > > As you said, my Microsoft Force Feedback Wheel is 3 1/2 years old now, > > > without problems. It is better than Logi, it keeps its quality over the > > > years, because it has no mechanical (now it comes: my english ;-)) > > "looking > > > how the angles of the wheel are, but it has optical steering of the > potis > > > (hope, someone will understand these words). > > > > And, of course, the use of optics instead of a potentiometer gives it a > > lower steering resolution than other force feedback wheels ;-) > > > > > > -- > > Slot > > > > Tweaks & Reviews > > www.slottweak.com > > > > > >

Yes, correct, but an optical system works without any changes for a longer time. That's the problem: Sometimes changing the potis or a mor stable system with a less resolution. Also, if I remember well, all the most expensive wheels are without force feedback, also are, when I I remember the 2nd time right, the fastest drivers use non ff-wheels (think, this is one of the many reasons, why I am so slow ;-)) Rolf

For a long time one of the fastest drivers was using a joystick and pedals. The fact that Michael Jordan could beat me one-on-one with one arm behind his back doesn't mean that I'd be better playing that way too. There will always be a top 1% that are fast no matter what equipment they use. The high-end wheel manufacturers don't have FF, but it has more to do with marketing, engineering, profits and re-tooling than it does with the actual merits of FF. They say FF isn't worth it, and it's a marketing ploy that's working for them right now. Most of them are not large companies. If you sell a $1000 wheel with FF, it better be the best FF in the world. That's a lot of pressure and expense for a relatively small company. I'm sure they are losing some sales by not offering it. At the very least, if a customer didn't want to use the FF he could turn it off and still be able to adjust the wheel damping and center spring to his personal taste. I have no doubt that, sooner or later, someone will come out with a very high end wheel that has FF. The question is, will it be one of the current high-end wheel makers, or someone that's already doing FF; like Logitech or Act Labs. The hard core sim racing community (the people willing to spend enough money for this wheel) is growing, not getting smaller. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Rolf Wesemann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aimdbp$un8$01$[email hidden]... > Yes, correct, but an optical system works without any changes for a longer > time. That's the problem: Sometimes changing the potis or a mor stable > system with a less resolution. > > Also, if I remember well, all the most expensive wheels are without force > feedback, also are, when I I remember the 2nd time right, the fastest > drivers use non ff-wheels (think, this is one of the many reasons, why I am > so slow ;-)) > > Rolf > >