RASCAR: It's all yours guys

Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself from the roster. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

John I have been as straightforward as you always are with others, and it seems to me that you just can't take the criticism that you have given to others and that was the entire point of my post below. Now maybe you know how the other guy felt when you stated that he pulled "a stupid move". No one was asking you to quit, RASCAR. (AAMOF most guys seem to be grateful for all that you have done for RASCAR).Only that you see your own mistakes as you so easily see other's. I know it isn't easy to accept responsibility for things you personally do on the track. Heck I have been there myself. But, when you come on to the NG and post a summary like that and all but slam the other guy with a "stupid move" and then turn right around and "sugar-coat" your own incident. It just does not sit well. You have always been straightforward with others, why not try to be the same with yourself. BTW - why not cut the immature BS about quitting, and just move on to the next track? Afterall you sound like my 5 year old playing with his friends in the sandbox. "I'm gonna take my toys and leave..." LOL. . :o) - Isotrip� "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster.

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. >

I might give this thing a shot now you have left.. Cheers.

Welcome to the undesirable world of league admin. Everyone wants to race in an organized environment but very few have the will or want to put it on. When someone does step up to 'run' a league, they then have to put up with the backlash from the very guys that wanted to run in an organized fashion. It can be a truly a no-win situation in my experience. Running a league is an all consuming thing, rules, disputes, schedule, actually putting on the events, and so on. (I know you guys don't call RASCAR a league, but shy of points racing, it really is...) I don't run with you guys, but I do hate to see an otherwise good idea start to unravel like this. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it when it gets it worst. The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking in) is that you guys don't want to call it a league. Someone has a few rules but no one officially stands by them and as such it is going to get out of hand. Either you control it fully or it's nothing more than a pickup race. Seems you wanted all the good of a league without all the effort and politics well that isn't going to happen. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:65nU8.2538$[email hidden]... > Welcome to the undesirable world of league admin. Everyone wants to racein > an organized environment but very few have the will or want to put it on. > When someone does step up to 'run' a league, they then have to put up with > the backlash from the very guys that wanted to run in an organizedfashion. > It can be a truly a no-win situation in my experience. Running a leagueis

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> an all consuming thing, rules, disputes, schedule, actually putting on the > events, and so on. > > (I know you guys don't call RASCAR a league, but shy of points racing, it > really is...) > > I don't run with you guys, but I do hate to see an otherwise good idea

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> to unravel like this. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > > from the roster. > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ljnU8.32071$[email hidden]... > Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it when it > gets it worst. > The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking in) is > that you guys don't want to call it a league. Someone has a few rules but > no one officially stands by them and as such it is going to get out ofhand. How has it gotten out of hand? David G Fisher

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster.

Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. -- Fester

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> John Simmons wrote: > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > > from the roster. > > > Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. >

Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and mitch). -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"going to get out of hand." is what I said. If someone that is running it is to the point of quitting then I would say it is well on it's way. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GxnU8.94443$[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ljnU8.32071$[email hidden]... > > Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it whenit > > gets it worst. > > The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking in)is > > that you guys don't want to call it a league. Someone has a few rulesbut

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> > no one officially stands by them and as such it is going to get out of > hand. > > How has it gotten out of hand? > > David G Fisher > >

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > John Simmons wrote: > > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > > > > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > > > > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > > > from the roster. > > > > > > Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. > > > > Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to > have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and > mitch).

Ah, just wait until next saturday, you will get that itch and just HAVE to race. Welcome back in advance :) -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

I thought the recap was a nice touch. I would have like to have seen it combined with another "highlight reel", and perhaps some of the reporting was a bit too subjective, but people are always going to bitch. Don't leave the league, just grow a thicker shell. I know I have only raced twice with RASCAR, and have made at least two "stupid moves"...ok...maybe 3... but I know I am mature enough to take it if someone called me on it...or showed a "highlight reel"... like when I looped all by myself in the last race I attended.... That being said. There really should be rules for this league. I am all in favor of rules, less chance to bitch when everything is on the table. The only rule I would hate would be having to make each race, but since that is kinda against the entire RASCAR idea, I won't worry about that one... Brit btgoss # 146 in RASCAR and GROWL... "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: > > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > John Simmons wrote: > > > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'mthinking I > > > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > > > > > > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe TomPabst > > > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kindacrap. > > > > > > > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deletingmyself

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> > > > from the roster. > > > > > > > > > Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. > > > > > > > Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to > > have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and > > mitch). > > Ah, just wait until next saturday, you will get that itch and just > HAVE to race. > > Welcome back in advance :) > > -- > Olav Malmin > remove .spam when replying

In article <GLnU8.32084$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > "going to get out of hand." is what I said. > If someone that is running it is to the point of quitting then I would say > it is well on it's way. > I don't think it's out of hand. I offered up what I thought was a fair and balanced look at what happened, made objective statements, and was then told I wasn't making fair calls on incidents cused by others, much less being "equally harsh" about my own incidents. I've run a few leagues for both Nascar racing and GPL, and I've made calls that weren't popular, but NOBODY has ever questioned whether or not my indictments of my own performance were less than accurate, much less accusing me of not being harsh enough on myself. Like I said before - I'm out, and y'all have a grand old time. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. > > > > > > > Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to > > have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and > > mitch). > > Ah, just wait until next saturday, you will get that itch and just > HAVE to race. > > Welcome back in advance :)

You couldn't be more wrong, Olav. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

jesus you are acting like a little girl "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I thought so too. Watch the replay, make your own notes on the incidents, compare them with mine, and see what you come up with. RASCAR isn't a league. It's a grooup of people that race together because they want a clean race. To atain that goal, there needs to be some agreements that everyone has to follow. Beyond that, unless and until the group starts examining the root causes of the incidents, nothing will change, and there will continue to be incident-filled races. This means that they have to be able to admit when they screw the pooch. Even with all of that, I really don't feel that I have to sit here and have my integrity and honesty questioned. I didn't post the recap in order to coddle people and make them feel good about themselves. At the same time, I didn't do it to be mean-spirited. No worries though. I won't be doing it again. In article <0%nU8.5282$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I thought the recap was a nice touch. I would have like to have seen it > combined with another "highlight reel", and perhaps some of the reporting > was a bit too subjective, but people are always going to bitch. Don't leave > the league, just grow a thicker shell. I know I have only raced twice with > RASCAR, and have made at least two "stupid moves"...ok...maybe 3... but I > know I am mature enough to take it if someone called me on it...or showed a > "highlight reel"... like when I looped all by myself in the last race I > attended.... > > That being said. There really should be rules for this league. I am all in > favor of rules, less chance to bitch when everything is on the table. The > only rule I would hate would be having to make each race, but since that is > kinda against the entire RASCAR idea, I won't worry about that one... > > Brit > btgoss # 146 in RASCAR and GROWL... > >

-- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I NEVER wanted you to quit racing RASCAR John!!!! I never planned on quitting either. I felt wronged by your critique of the race is all. No one ever wants to see the other (my) replay though so I just gave up and moved on. I take responsibility for the incident, just didn't feel it was fair to call a pass a stupid move and repeat the stoopid part numerous times :) My point being I didn't just ruin his day as you say but rather he has to take his fair share of the incident is all I was pointing out. Not in so many words though. You're a fast clean racer Simmons! That should be enough said.. I always supported calling this a league and having rules and enforcement policies set forth. Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > John Simmons wrote: > > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinkingI > > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > > > > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe TomPabst > > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > > > > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deletingmyself

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> > > from the roster. > > > > > > Don't quit man. It's a sign of weakness. > > > > Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to > have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and > mitch). > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I hate to see you go buddy. I'll miss racing with ya. Part of the reason I liked RASCAR was your participation. Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to help RASCAR. I'm gonna miss ya buddy. Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

I hate to see you go buddy. I'll miss racing with ya. Part of the reason I liked RASCAR was your participation. Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to help RASCAR. I'm gonna miss ya buddy. Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

In article <LooU8.5547$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ \" Busch" <[email hidden]> says... > I hate to see you go buddy. I'll miss racing with ya. Part of the reason I > liked RASCAR was your participation. I'm sure it'll crusie along fine without me. > Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to help RASCAR. NP. > I'm gonna miss ya buddy. There's always GPL. Now, if I could just figure out this vroc stuff again... > Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) On someone else's server maybe - I don't have the upload bandwidth necessary to host a full field. :( -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

It's a league. Why don't you think it's a league? Is a league not "a grooup of people that race together because they want a clean race"? "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I thought so too. Watch the replay, make your own notes on the > incidents, compare them with mine, and see what you come up with. > > RASCAR isn't a league. It's a grooup of people that race together > because they want a clean race. To atain that goal, there needs to be > some agreements that everyone has to follow. Beyond that, unless and > until the group starts examining the root causes of the incidents, > nothing will change, and there will continue to be incident-filled > races. This means that they have to be able to admit when they screw > the pooch. > > Even with all of that, I really don't feel that I have to sit here and > have my integrity and honesty questioned. I didn't post the recap in > order to coddle people and make them feel good about themselves. At the > same time, I didn't do it to be mean-spirited. > > No worries though. I won't be doing it again. > > In article <0%nU8.5282$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > I thought the recap was a nice touch. I would have like to have seen it > > combined with another "highlight reel", and perhaps some of the

reporting > > was a bit too subjective, but people are always going to bitch. Don'tleave > > the league, just grow a thicker shell. I know I have only raced twicewith > > RASCAR, and have made at least two "stupid moves"...ok...maybe 3... butI > > know I am mature enough to take it if someone called me on it...orshowed a > > "highlight reel"... like when I looped all by myself in the last race I > > attended.... > > > > That being said. There really should be rules for this league. I am allin > > favor of rules, less chance to bitch when everything is on the table.The > > only rule I would hate would be having to make each race, but since thatis

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> > kinda against the entire RASCAR idea, I won't worry about that one... > > > > Brit > > btgoss # 146 in RASCAR and GROWL... > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"John Simmons" said: > Like I said before - I'm out, and y'all have a grand old time. 'Bye John. -- ed_

"John Simmons" wrote... > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they > screwed up as described in my summary of the cautions > at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I should just zip up the > roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. I hardly think anyone would appreciate it, but IMO you've got enough experience to "tell it like it is", regardless of whether those involved like it or not. The fact those involved can post a riposte is an unfortunate side effect of the medium, but, again: IMO, that shouldn't bother you if you take it upon yourself to check the incidents. I'm sure the silent majority (how many on the RASCAR roster to date?) take note of you pointing out the "correct" response to situations. > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. > Maybe Tom Pabst was right afterall. Like him, I don't > have time for this kinda crap. Then don't feed it... let'm talk to walls for a bit. The novelty wears off pretty quick. One doesn't have to be friends to be able to race eachother. If people don't like the way things are run around here, I think it's them who should walk out, not those who volunteer their time to put this show on the road. > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty > of deleting myself from the roster. Your decision, but... darn!! -I had a score to settle with you! ;-)) Jan. =---

"Schooner" wrote: > It's a league. Why don't you think it's a league? Is a league not "a > grooup of people that race together because they want a clean race"? Depends on your definition. Sure the league of Nations is a group with common interests. However, in sport leagues involves organised competitions with points, limited roster, rules, organising bodies, defined schedules (with a start and finish) and champions at the end of the defined period. Rascar is an informal group of people racing together more akin to a club than a league.

"Richard "ZZ" Busch" wrote: > I hate to see you go buddy. I'll miss racing with ya. Part of thereason I > liked RASCAR was your participation. > > Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to helpRASCAR. > > I'm gonna miss ya buddy. > > Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) I'd echo that ZZ. We can vouch for John's capability at running leagues. No question of shying away from the commitment or politics suggested elsewhere in this thread. Tony

"John Simmons" wrote: > There's always GPL. Now, if I could just figure out this vroc stuff > again... Slap the V5 back in, send out the invites & fire up the GPLEA Eagle :-) > > Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) > On someone else's server maybe - I don't have the upload bandwidth > necessary to host a full field. :( Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred?

Mitch, I responded via email (if the email in your header is correct). In article <%joU8.837$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I NEVER wanted you to quit racing RASCAR John!!!! I never planned on > quitting either. > > I felt wronged by your critique of the race is all. No one ever wants to > see the other (my) replay though so I just gave up and moved on. I take > responsibility for the incident, just didn't feel it was fair to call a pass > a stupid move and repeat the stoopid part numerous times :) My point being > I didn't just ruin his day as you say but rather he has to take his fair > share of the incident is all I was pointing out. Not in so many words > though. > > You're a fast clean racer Simmons! That should be enough said.. > > I always supported calling this a league and having rules and enforcement > policies set forth.

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>Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to help RASCAR. Same here John. I have chosen to stay quiet on the RASCAR incidents, a couple I caused and a couple I've been on the receiving end. Hell it's just racing. Sorry I missed Vegas so I could see the race for myself but one of the attractions of RASCAR is "race convenience". Dan

Beyond all the moaning about the Vegas race it was really a good one for RASCAR. After what we've been through to this point in RASCAR I'd say just stick it out a bit longer cause things are getting better not worse. Online racing breeds contempt by its own competitive nature, we must control it and have fun. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Agreed. I see this as a disagreement between two, maybe three people. There are a couple dozen of us that are getting along just fine :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GxnU8.94443$[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ljnU8.32071$[email hidden]... > > Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it whenit > > gets it worst. > > The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking in)is > > that you guys don't want to call it a league. Someone has a few rulesbut

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> > no one officially stands by them and as such it is going to get out of > hand. > > How has it gotten out of hand? > > David G Fisher > >

"Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LooU8.5547$[email hidden]... > I hate to see you go buddy. I'll miss racing with ya. Part of the reason I > liked RASCAR was your participation. > > Thanks for painting me a car and all the things you've done to helpRASCAR.

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> > I'm gonna miss ya buddy. > > Catch you some other time, maybe an IGPS reunion race? ;-) > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > CORS > RASCAR > GPL Rank + 17.46 > MoGPL Rank + 349.43

That goes for me also. I'll always have that old 99 car to thank you for. Elrikk

> Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred? And if you do, could you hold off until after the 11th 'cos I'm on holiday and I would kinda like to be in that race :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Again. This idea is coming from someone who is mostly a lurker here, and has only made 2 RASCAR races. So I understand if this idea is just shrugged off. Instead of one person being responsible for pointing out errors in driving, which is vital to better racing I feel, why don't we have a competition board. Only people who don't make the race are part of the board for that week. Get at least three people. They all watch a replay, hopefully from more than one source, and they post their comments. I know this would be alot of work, but we do seem to have alot of people who can't make the races regularly, so this would be another way for them to get involved. And by not being in the race they are commenting on, there is a minimized amount of favoritism that could be called. I know I can't make every race, but I would more than gladly make some time to review replays and highlight what I thought were examples of bad driving. And with at least three people making that judgement call, we should get a fairly good idea of what is bad driving and what is just a racing incident. Brit btgoss # 146 with RASCAR and GROWL. "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kNqU8.11726$%%[email hidden]...

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> Agreed. I see this as a disagreement between two, maybe three people. > > There are a couple dozen of us that are getting along just fine :) > > -Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GxnU8.94443$[email hidden]... > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ljnU8.32071$[email hidden]... > > > Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it when > it > > > gets it worst. > > > The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking

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Honestly, I think the best progress comes from post-race chatter here discussing _situations_ that came up, not necessarily the precise people involved. The results are the same (it gets discussed), and it doesn't create targets. I also feel the more light-hearted these discussions are i.e. "Boy, was a friggen idiot today, or what!" the better. People screw up. There's also a reason why WE aren't the one's being watched on TV every Sunday :) I think it's possible to discuss possible area's of mis-understanding i.e. What should someone do in xxx situation. "There was an incident today because of this, and I want to see if I should have done this instead of that". We have to stop painting targets on each other at all costs. I'm pleased at how little of this I have seen in RASCAR, and I'd like to see it stay that way. I'll take leaving the track as a respected friend over a winner any day, if I only have one choice. -Larry "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t8EU8.20112$[email hidden]... > Again. This idea is coming from someone who is mostly a lurker here, andhas > only made 2 RASCAR races. So I understand if this idea is just shruggedoff. > > Instead of one person being responsible for pointing out errors indriving, > which is vital to better racing I feel, why don't we have a competition > board. Only people who don't make the race are part of the board for that > week. Get at least three people. They all watch a replay, hopefully from > more than one source, and they post their comments. > I know this would be alot of work, but we do seem to have alot of peoplewho > can't make the races regularly, so this would be another way for them toget > involved. And by not being in the race they are commenting on, there is a > minimized amount of favoritism that could be called. > I know I can't make every race, but I would more than gladly make sometime > to review replays and highlight what I thought were examples of baddriving. > And with at least three people making that judgement call, we should get a > fairly good idea of what is bad driving and what is just a racingincident.

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> > Brit > btgoss # 146 with RASCAR and GROWL. > > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kNqU8.11726$%%[email hidden]... > > Agreed. I see this as a disagreement between two, maybe three people. > > > > There are a couple dozen of us that are getting along just fine :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:GxnU8.94443$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ljnU8.32071$[email hidden]... > > > > Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it

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In article <_rsU8.20786$[email hidden]>, "drink" <[email hidden]> writes: >jesus you are acting like a little girl Y'know, you could disagree without being insulting... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <BQoU8.16620$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> writes: >> On someone else's server maybe - I don't have the upload bandwidth >> necessary to host a full field. :( > >Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred? Ah...you guys just want me for my *server*...<g> I wouldn't have a problem loaning you a server, but I'm clearly not a good enough driver to keep up with you guys... Who's the girl - Alison? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Running a league is not easy but the big part is sticking with it when it >gets it worst. >The biggest problem I have seen of RASCAR (from the outside looking in) is >that you guys don't want to call it a league. Someone has a few rules but >no one officially stands by them and as such it is going to get out of hand. >Either you control it fully or it's nothing more than a pickup race. Seems >you wanted all the good of a league without all the effort and politics well >that isn't going to happen.

I've called it a league. The only difference is that we don't run for points. I've also told people to adhere to the ruls that were posted on John's site. I thought they were common sense, and easy to follow. There were plans to possibly add more, but there was no timetable for that. But, don't think there wasn't any effort involved here. Even though I'm the host, my effort was minimal compared to the work that John and Phil did for websites, cars, carsets, forum space, etc. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>RASCAR isn't a league. It's a grooup of people that race together >because they want a clean race. To atain that goal, there needs to be >some agreements that everyone has to follow. Beyond that, unless and >until the group starts examining the root causes of the incidents, >nothing will change, and there will continue to be incident-filled >races. This means that they have to be able to admit when they screw >the pooch. >

I came to consider it a league. I also thought that the discussions were helpful to rookie and veteran alike. We gained some good insight, and have a good group of guys. With something as volatile as auto racing, it's understandable that tempers will flare sometime. I think we've done a great job at not latting discussions get too pursonal, up until now. >Even with all of that, I really don't feel that I have to sit here and >have my integrity and honesty questioned. I didn't post the recap in >order to coddle people and make them feel good about themselves. At the >same time, I didn't do it to be mean-spirited. I believe that, and I appreciate what you did to help the RASCAR races. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" > >Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred? > > Ah...you guys just want me for my *server*...<g> I wouldn't have aproblem > loaning you a server, but I'm clearly not a good enough driver to keepup with > you guys... On the contrary IGPS always had a big range of ability. In fact IGPS/1 was so early after the release of GPL that many were in that raw learning phase so that there were huge disparities in lap times, yet there seemed to be mini battles going on down the field. The odd thing was there were remarkably few incidents even when the faster drivers lapped the learners. Maybe on-line racing was so new to most of us that an extra degree of respect existed - who knows. > Who's the girl - Alison? Karissa Thomas. She reappeared on my address book recently after restoring an old copy, and I got quizzed by the wife :-) Tony

"Graeme Nash" wrote: > > Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred? > And if you do, could you hold off until after the 11th 'cos I'm on > holiday and I would kinda like to be in that race :-) Don't forget you will need to download the ballast patch for your BRM, Graeme... Tony

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>On the contrary IGPS always had a big range of ability. In fact IGPS/1 >was so early after the release of GPL that many were in that raw >learning phase so that there were huge disparities in lap times, yet >there seemed to be mini battles going on down the field. > >The odd thing was there were remarkably few incidents even when the >faster drivers lapped the learners. Maybe on-line racing was so new to >most of us that an extra degree of respect existed - who knows.

Possible. > >> Who's the girl - Alison? > >Karissa Thomas. She reappeared on my address book recently after >restoring an old copy, and I got quizzed by the wife :-) Oops...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. John, though i doubt there is anyway i could influence you to change your mind i have to say i dont think its neccessary for you to quit or leave Rascar. I havnt said so in the past so its only right and proper to convey my thanks for all your time and effort you have put into Rascar, many Thanks John. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Amen to that brother, i couldnt agree more, and i feel exactly the same way with regards to character assassination, especialy in such a public forum. > Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. Cheers Ginger

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > Too late - it's a done deal. Y'all have fun. Besides, it's better to > have one person quit (me) than to have to people quit (ginger and > mitch). Naturaly i cant speak for Mitch but the idea of quitting never crossed my mind, on the whole i find rascar races a great deal of fun, and the quality of the races is getting better. For the record i dont think either Mitch, John or myself should consider quitting. Cheers Ginger

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> > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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> "EldredP" > > > >Fancy a run with the IGPS guys (& girl - wherever she is) Eldred? > > > > Ah...you guys just want me for my *server*...<g> I wouldn't have a > problem > > loaning you a server, but I'm clearly not a good enough driver to keep > up with > > you guys... > > On the contrary IGPS always had a big range of ability. In fact IGPS/1 > was so early after the release of GPL that many were in that raw > learning phase so that there were huge disparities in lap times, yet > there seemed to be mini battles going on down the field.

In IGPS/1, you, me and Graeme seemed to own the top three spots on the grid. I remember the very first race (Mexico) when Graeme was leading by quite a hefty margin of between 20 and 30 seconds when he disco'd on the last turn of the lap. I ended up winning because of it, and felt real bad about Graeme disco'ing after he held the lead for the whole race. When I'm done readin ras, I think I'm gonna go watch a few of the old IGPS races. > The odd thing was there were remarkably few incidents even when the > faster drivers lapped the learners. Maybe on-line racing was so new to > most of us that an extra degree of respect existed - who knows. > I think it might have been because I was a fascist where incidents were concerned. Zieg hiel. :) > > Who's the girl - Alison? > > Karissa Thomas. She reappeared on my address book recently after > restoring an old copy, and I got quizzed by the wife :-) Anyone ever find out what she's been up to? I noticed she's in GPL Rank, and the last update from her was late last year, so she's still plinking at lap times. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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on > the last turn of the lap. I ended up winning because of it, and felt > real bad about Graeme disco'ing after he held the lead for the whole > race. Lead the whole race???? I Was first into T1 Mr Simmons! Just last out of it beached on a pesky tyre and a black flag and pit stop for the pleasure <G> Not the perfect start to my first league race (wasn't repeated so I guess I learnt something) The fight back to second either shows how varied the field was or what an incredibly quick driver I am (delete as appropriate) Tony

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I thought so too. Watch the replay, make your own notes on the > incidents, compare them with mine, and see what you come >up with. Hehe, i thought we all done that in another thread.

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> > RASCAR isn't a league. It's a grooup of people that race together > because they want a clean race. To atain that goal, there needs to be > some agreements that everyone has to follow. Beyond that, unless and > until the group starts examining the root causes of the incidents, > nothing will change, and there will continue to be incident-filled > races. This means that they have to be able to admit when they screw > the pooch.

I know this is Rascar we are talking about, but i dont think RAS is the best place to examine root causes etc etc simply because it is so public. I normaly make the effort to apologise for any incident i feel the slightest bit responsible for, and sometimes for incidents where i think i am completely blameless, and i think most of us do that. I also think most of us review the replay of the race and look at our incidents from different view points to get the bigger picture on what really happened, and learn what we can from that second viewing. I think you are a bit brash and dare i say rude at times, which i'm sure wards off most who would dare to challenge you, and for those reasons i dont think you are the best person to conduct a recap of the races ( if indeed a recap is neccessary ) > > Even with all of that, I really don't feel that I have to sit here and > have my integrity and honesty questioned. Well, people in glasshouses....... >I didn't post the recap in > order to coddle people and make them feel good about >themselves. That much is clear, i dont think anyone is asking that from you. >At the > same time, I didn't do it to be mean-spirited. I hear you, though at a subconscious level i think you were. > > No worries though. I won't be doing it again. Thats a shame, and again i dont think that is neccessary, i would like to think that whatever our disagreements we can still enjoy a race together, after all, there is much more to rascar than just me and you. Or were you talking about the recap, in which case i applaud your decision :-) Cheers Ginger

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> > > On the contrary IGPS always had a big range of ability. In fact > IGPS/1 > > > was so early after the release of GPL that many were in that raw > > > learning phase so that there were huge disparities in lap times, yet > > > there seemed to be mini battles going on down the field. > > > > In IGPS/1, you, me and Graeme seemed to own the top three spots on the > > grid. I remember the very first race (Mexico) when Graeme was leading > > by quite a hefty margin of between 20 and 30 seconds when he disco'd > on > > the last turn of the lap. I ended up winning because of it, and felt > > real bad about Graeme disco'ing after he held the lead for the whole > > race. > > Lead the whole race???? I Was first into T1 Mr Simmons!

You were also the first one to plow through the tire barriers too... :) > Just last out of it beached on a pesky tyre and a black flag and pit > stop for the pleasure <G> You were catching me though. Didn't you finish 2nd in that race? > Not the perfect start to my first league race (wasn't repeated so I > guess I learnt something) > The fight back to second either shows how varied the field was or what > an incredibly quick driver I am (delete as appropriate) The way I recall, as long as none of us wrecked or got booted, Graeme and you were often 1st or 2nd, and I was third at the end. That's why we all agreed to change chassis for season 2. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

You are such a dick, can't say I'd want to race with you either. Only for target practise anyway. Scott A. "BowtNetterToDo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:afvuh0$eja$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > John, though i doubt there is anyway i could influence you to change your > mind i have to say i dont think its neccessary for you to quit or leave > Rascar. > > I havnt said so in the past so its only right and proper to convey my

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> with regards to character assassination, especialy in such a public forum. > > > Maybe Tom Pabst > > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Cheers Ginger > >

You know guys that there is a forum over at Race Sim Central that Phil started for us. That might be the place to discuss racing deals and such. http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142 Maybe we should start discussing the races there. It's not quite as open a forum as RAS. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

You know guys that there is a forum over at Race Sim Central that Phil started for us. That might be the place to discuss racing deals and such. http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142 Maybe we should start discussing the races there. It's not quite as open a forum as RAS. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred.<snip> My take as a bigtime lurker and veteran of, oh, TWO RASCAR races... John: I think you've given everyone a lesson in how to cut off your nose to spite your face. You appear to have gotten too emotional and now you're gonna look a bit silly IF you decide that you miss the RAS races and want to be part of it again. It's not possible to be impartial when giving an overview of incidents you were involved in. You can call it how you see it, but the fact is you know what your thought processes were as you attempted a failed manoeuvre and they could be completely rational, but to others who don't have that insight it may look like a stupid move. Pass judgement all you will on other incidents, but leave those that you were involved in to a third party. FWIW - I think you've been extremely valuable in RASCAR and it's a shame to see you go. I often agreed with your opinionated blatherings ;-) but this (the caution recap and the subsequent quitting) was ill advised. Caution recap by someone who didn't race would be ideal, though. But who the hell wants that job? BowtNetterToDo: If you think that John has some sort of personal grudge, then you either think too highly of yourself or too little of John. Seeing the amount of work he puts in to this sim racing thing FOR OTHER'S BENEFIT along with the fact that he will, no doubt, have a life, I think it's incredibly rude of you to think that he has decided to go out of his way looking to cause you grief. To put my Simmons hat on, I'm just calling it as I see it. If you guys run at similar speeds (and it seems you do) then most likely, if you're gonna have a racing incident (and you WILL) it'll be between yourselves. Simple, really. You really think John has NowtBetterToDo? Just my opinions for you all to ignore... Mark Reading, UK

As an outsiders I would have to say that most of the problem was due not to the recap but how it is worded. Using "stupid passing move" does not show any respect to other drivers. Sure people make mistakes but calling someone stupid is just asking for trouble. When you call someone stupid then expect to get some feedback from them on it. Perhaps "aggressive", "risky" etc would be a better choice of moves. Maybe the recap was a "stupid reviewing move' ;) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

John... Not sure I ever said that? But, I am also sure some "dink" will find it with a Google's newsgroup search engine. That being said, "welcome to the sim racing community." There's people here that don't like you, never will, never did.......from the first day they read something you posted......they'll pick on you forever. There's others that don't like what you say, sometimes.....and tell you. They will also tell you when they like (or agree with) something you say......but will only "sometimes" tell you. There are also many that won't tell you anything......they are "read only" visitors.......but you'll see them on the sim track with you, just the same. There's a few that will cheer you when you "kick some butt." But, they'll be "cry babies" when its theirs being kicked. There's also many who will accept you as a human being (mistakes and all).....embrace you and be fair with you........and like you because you are "trying" to make this sim racing community a better place. Isn't this just about the way it is in real life? John, I'm not trying to tell you that giving up your self-appointed duties with the RASCAR races on Saturday is something you shouldn't do. That's your decision and yours alone to make.......and "f_ck" everyone else. Easy jobs are hard to do....when they are not fun! The opposite is true also, IMHO. I would ask you to consider your decision in light of "what's the right thing to do for your continued support of sim racing.....and this sim racing community?" Its an old clich�, but it seems appropriate at the moment, "If you don't want to be tackled......stop running with the ball!" Regardless of your decision......and although I've never run in a RASCAR event.....I appreciate what you've done and the support and leadership role you've take in this sim racing community lately. I don't like everything you've done....and a I don't like everything you've said. So what. I like most of what you say and do.....and I respect you for trying to make this a better place to sim race. Thank you. See you around....I hope? Regards, Tom Pabst "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it seems like nobody appreciates being told they screwed up as > described in my summary of the cautions at Las Vegas, so I'm thinking I > should just zip up the roster crap and ship it off to Eldred. > > I absolutely *refuse* to have my integrity questioned. Maybe Tom Pabst > was right afterall. Like him, I don't have time for this kinda crap. > > Eldred, you got mail. I've already taken the liberty of deleting myself > from the roster. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================