Grand Turismo III or Project Gotham Racing

Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty sure that I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will I enjoy more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning toward the Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around.

Grand turismo all the way Project gotham racing it too arcadie for my taste "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning toward the >Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. Maybe in theory the XBOX has the better graphics capability. But I find GT3 to be prettier and overall more impressive graphically than PGR. A bit pixelly though. But otherwise, GT3 is the winner. Lots more cars too, though I miss some of the models included in PGR (Ferrari, actual Porsche vs RUF). I have PGR's predecessor Metropolis Street Racer on the DC. I find it more frustrating, arcadey and annoying (massive, cheating, catchup AI) than GT3. Not that GT3 doesn't have its faults (repetitive races, horridly stupid AI). It took a few tries to get into MSR and subsequently complete it. GT3 wins out in physics and probably sound. And overall gameplay. I also prefer GT3's road courses (two of which are real, a fair number of others are reasonable) to unrealistic driving on short street segments based on real locations. GT3 by a long shot. All, IMHO, of course.

<<Only going to be playing one game for a long time>>? Prolly not. Console games don't have a lot of depth. PC games have "legs" (as we say in Hollywood) 'cuz they're deeper, more complex, more challenging. Also 'cuz playing online is infinitely more interesting than playing against the oh-so-predictable AI. Yes, online gaming is coming to concoles this summer...but how many online *racing* titles do you know about? FWIW, I love GT3. (But, if you do get an Xbox, you'll probably prefer Rallisport to PGR.) "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > >

I agree with Steve. You probably won't play a console game over and over for a long time. Except for adventure games that might have some life, console games in general don't have that much replayability and you can't download the "latest patches", MODs or add-ons. You'll probably play a great game for a few months very intensely, and then once most of the goals have been achieved, it'll be shelved until you have guests. Where the PS/2 vs XBox debate is concerned there is no doubt the XBox has much better capabilities, at least twice the hardware power of the PS/2 on all fronts and more capabilities. But where consoles are concerned, exclusive software titles always dictate a console's success. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty sure that I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will I enjoy more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning toward the Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around.

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> Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty sure that > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will I enjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning toward the > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around.

Personally I think the Xbox has better graphics, but GT3 on the PS2 is superb and unmatched on any other platform. (I have both + Gamecube!) - Michael

>>console games in general don't have that much replayability and you can'tdownload the "latest patches", MODs or add-ons.<< While I understand the benefits of add-on's, patches are one of the reasons why I gave up on PC games. Console games ( I have a PS2, BTW, with GT3, F1 2001, WRC as for racing games) have to be bombproof upon release for this very reason. Remember the F1 2001 debacle on the PC last year, when Force Feedback wasn't supported in the release version and had to be patched? Well, it was in the PS2 version all along. Also, I'm really getting tired of having to upgrade my computer every year in order to play the latest releases. With a console, the software seems to get better for a couple of years while the programmers figure out the console, then it's about time for a new version of the console. In any event, a game written for the PS2 on its release and one written two/three years later both play 100%. Can't say the same for a PC, though. "none" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VbDU8.7514$[email hidden]... > I agree with Steve. You probably won't play a console game over and over > for a long time. Except for adventure games that might have some life, > console games in general don't have that much replayability and you can't > download the "latest patches", MODs or add-ons. You'll probably play a > great game for a few months very intensely, and then once most of thegoals

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> have been achieved, it'll be shelved until you have guests. > > Where the PS/2 vs XBox debate is concerned there is no doubt the XBox has > much better capabilities, at least twice the hardware power of the PS/2 on > all fronts and more capabilities. But where consoles are concerned, > exclusive software titles always dictate a console's success. > > > "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty sure

that > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > > > >

"Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > > Well - you may alos want to consider Rallisport Challenge and Moto Gp on the XBox, both are probably better simulations than PGR.. MotoGP has a true first person view - on a bike. (The version of MotoGP on the Xbox is pretty good by the way) PGR is worth consideration, the graphics are much better than anything I can find for my Pent 4 at the moment, and the cars are rendered with incredible detail. (Disc brakes glow red under heavy braking for example- not that thats a reason to rush out now and buy it - just shows the level of detail). The driiving "feel" is about as good as say, Porsche NFS - assuming you buy a wheel (�40ish - with a sort of rumble feedback). The AI in PGR is a bit strange though - a competitor will take a corner at ridiculous speed so long as the resulting crash puts his/her car in front. But, this is rare - your competitors generally just come across as intelligent, but commited I bought an Xbox because the graphics onthe PS2 looked around the quality of my old P2 350, plus the X-Box seems to have attracted a lot of racing games (PGR, Rallisport, MotoGP, Grand Prix 4, Colin McRae 3) Not played GT-3, and perhaps I'm bias... Steve

IMO, GT3 was worth buying if only to play through it long enough to get the GT40, do some hotlaps at Laguna Seca, and watch the replay. And, as far as depth goes, GT3 has a lot of it - but whether you'll want to finish it all is the question. It does eventually get somewhat repetitive. I've never played PGR or any XBox game for that matter, but at least between PGR and GT3, the graphics in GT3 look much better to me. Another plus of the PS2: You can use a Logitech Force Feedback wheel on the PS2 and the PC. GT3 fully supports it, too. I still wish they'd release a PC version of Gran Turismo; probably due to a limitation of the PS2's hardware, GT3 only allows six cars on a grid, total. I dream of the day when there will be a game like GT3, just as good, but on the computer so as to allow good multiplayer online, and full fields...15, 20, 30 cars even on some tracks... *drool* Milhouse "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > >

Fuck it! I bought the Xbox and PGR.... I don't know if I did the right thing maybe Grand Turismo was the better game and I would like to use a wheel with the pc and console, but the hard drive and better processor made a difference for me - admittedly knowing nothing about gaming. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > >

> I still wish they'd release a PC version of Gran Turismo; probably due to a > limitation of the PS2's hardware, GT3 only allows six cars on a grid, total. > I dream of the day when there will be a game like GT3, just as good, but on > the computer so as to allow good multiplayer online, and full fields...15, > 20, 30 cars even on some tracks... *drool* Yeah, the AI cars are the worst thing about GT3, too few of them, the AI is not good, and the collision dynamics are unrealistic. Having said that, GT3 is more about you against the track. - Michael

Hmmmn, then why did you ask? To me, the one irrefutable, overarching, utterly compelling reason to buy an Xbox is that each and every one of them costs Microsoft $325-$375 to build, distribute, and sell. It doesn't get any sweeter than that. "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Fuck it! I bought the Xbox and PGR.... I don't know if I did the right > thing maybe Grand Turismo was the better game and I would like to use a > wheel with the pc and console, but the hard drive and better processormade

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"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: > Hmmmn, then why did you ask? > > To me, the one irrefutable, overarching, utterly compelling reason to buy an > Xbox is that each and every one of them costs Microsoft $325-$375 to build, > distribute, and sell. It doesn't get any sweeter than that. Very good point there. Maybe I have to buy myself one for long dark winter evenings. Oh wait, isn't that the reason i bought NR2002 and a ADSL line ? :D So many games, so little time. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 12:12:14 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hmmmn, then why did you ask? > >To me, the one irrefutable, overarching, utterly compelling reason to buy an >Xbox is that each and every one of them costs Microsoft $325-$375 to build, >distribute, and sell. It doesn't get any sweeter than that. It's even better when they make it, but you DON'T buy it. Making an even greater loss. ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Good point. PCs are indeed a pain in the ass all around, and this coming from me who loves 'em. I guess that is the price of flexibility and innovation. True about the F12K1 initial release, but look at the magical results today with FIAGTv3, Le Mans 2K1, ALMS, telemetry programs, car setup-ups and other MODs and add-ons. You've got to admit that although the PS2's F12K1 might have been final and solid at release, one year later it can't touch the PC version. "Dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uaFU8.267794$[email hidden]... >>console games in general don't have that much replayability and you can'tdownload the "latest patches", MODs or add-ons.<< While I understand the benefits of add-on's, patches are one of the reasons why I gave up on PC games. Console games ( I have a PS2, BTW, with GT3, F1 2001, WRC as for racing games) have to be bombproof upon release for this very reason. Remember the F1 2001 debacle on the PC last year, when Force Feedback wasn't supported in the release version and had to be patched? Well, it was in the PS2 version all along. Also, I'm really getting tired of having to upgrade my computer every year in order to play the latest releases. With a console, the software seems to get better for a couple of years while the programmers figure out the console, then it's about time for a new version of the console. In any event, a game written for the PS2 on its release and one written two/three years later both play 100%. Can't say the same for a PC, though.

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:46:59 -0500, "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? The hardware is more powerful, but GT3 looks better. Gotham is a good game, but GT3 had years in development with unlimited resources, and it shows. The detail and polish in the lighting, for example, make the overall game look much much better than Gotham. The gameplay, in my opinion, is also better in GT3. I love driving games of all kinds but got bored with Gotham real quick.

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:12:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >It's even better when they make it, but you DON'T buy it. Making an >even greater loss. ;-) Not so. You buy it, they make one more. The more they sell, the more money they lose. Great business model huh?

Yeah, but they make it up on volume (as the old joke goes). "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:12:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) > wrote: > > >It's even better when they make it, but you DON'T buy it. Making an > >even greater loss. ;-) > > Not so. You buy it, they make one more. The more they sell, the more > money they lose. Great business model huh?

Agreed, GT3 is a beautiful game. Pity it doesn't come in a multiplayer version. "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:46:59 -0500, "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? > > The hardware is more powerful, but GT3 looks better. > > Gotham is a good game, but GT3 had years in development with unlimited > resources, and it shows. The detail and polish in the lighting, for > example, make the overall game look much much better than Gotham. > > The gameplay, in my opinion, is also better in GT3. I love driving > games of all kinds but got bored with Gotham real quick.

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:17:15 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Agreed, GT3 is a beautiful game. Pity it doesn't come in a multiplayer >version. I agree - but I'm told that multiplayer is the focus of GT4. Happy happy joy joy!

That's what I thought...but then you'd think GT4 would come out this summer, to lend some firepower to next month's online rollout (now to be supported only by SOCOM: Navy SEALS, as near as I can tell), but no, GT4 isn't even on the radar. The earliest it'll be out is *next* summer, apparently. I asked Sony why, and they said 'cuz GT3 is selling so well. Yeah, I countered, but no MP! They looked at me like I was stoned. "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:17:15 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Agreed, GT3 is a beautiful game. Pity it doesn't come in a multiplayer > >version. > > I agree - but I'm told that multiplayer is the focus of GT4. Happy > happy joy joy!

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pfAV8.109314$[email hidden]... > That's what I thought...but then you'd think GT4 would come out thissummer, > to lend some firepower to next month's online rollout (now to be supported > only by SOCOM: Navy SEALS, as near as I can tell), but no, GT4 isn't evenon > the radar. The earliest it'll be out is *next* summer, apparently. Iasked > Sony why, and they said 'cuz GT3 is selling so well. Yeah, I countered,but > no MP! They looked at me like I was stoned. Apparently, GT4 is going to have all the cars that were lost in the transition from GT2 to GT3 (due to time constraints) and that is the reason for the delay.

I would say both games are equally good for diffrent reasons. PGR is about street racing in real city's, with several gamplay options ( racing, timetrials, Kudos mode is about showing off for points.) while GT3 is about racing on real race tracks and some ability to tune cars that PGR doesn't have. But I would suggest the Xbox overall, for in about 45 days SegaGT 2002 will be out for it, and looks to be the new king of console racers. Here is a new Divx movie (I had to use Divx player to view it) of SegaGT.. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?http://www.computerandvideogames.com /news/news_story.php?id=76457 So with Xbox you can have both SegaGT and PGR, which looks like a tough combo to beat. Plus there is a good Xbox racer called Rallysport Challenge if offroading is your thing. With Xbox you get a harddrive for replay storage and game updates, plus built in ethernet for eventual mutliplayer action.. things you prolly wont see from Sony until PS3 comes out. R.Cade "Fastfwd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I'm a little more educated on these racing games. I'm pretty surethat > I'm only going to be playing one game for a long time. I'm not a gamer > really, but since the price has dropped - why not pick one of these things > up. So, it's come down to deciding on which of these two games will Ienjoy > more. You guys should be the most independent source on this. > > Does the Xbox have that much better graphics? I've been leaning towardthe > Xbox, but I understand that Grand Turismo is one of the best games around. > >

On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:11:17 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The earliest it'll be out is *next* summer, apparently. I asked >Sony why, and they said 'cuz GT3 is selling so well. More likely it's because Polyphonic has so much clout that they can tell Sony "It'll be done when it's done. Go away." That's what seemed to happen with GT3, and is why it wasn't a launch title. And why it WAS so highly polished - I dream of having the Polyphonic luxery to finish a game at my leisure!