An idea to fight SPAM (apologies for the crossposting)

How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM domains? My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create one huge one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comes rolling in. This might aleviate the problem somewhat? Apologies for the crossposting, but I feel this is relevant for everyone. However I am sure somebody will think of a reason why this wouldn't work :)

"Paul McGuire @ work" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OHVU8.8363$[email hidden]... > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM > domains? Take look at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 and: http://www.cloudmark.com Jone.

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> > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM > domains? > My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other > people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create one huge > one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) > Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comes rolling > in. > This might aleviate the problem somewhat? > > Apologies for the crossposting, but I feel this is relevant for everyone. > > However I am sure somebody will think of a reason why this wouldn't work :)

I use Spamkiller (www.spamkiller.com) which checks the mail server regularly and deletes unwanted e-mails based on domains, mail addy and a variety of other options, like most utils it takes a while to configure it properly to make sure your buddy with an idiotic mail addy doesn't get filtered, but after that it's smooth sailing, it even has a "complain" button which lets you send a complaint to every administrator that has relayed that particular mail :-) And I've also stopped using my real mail addy when posting to NG's, as evident by the addys in this post :-), I swap them every so often with the company that annoys me the most for the time being Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Paul McGuire @ work" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OHVU8.8363$[email hidden]... > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM > domains? > My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other > people have other lists maybe we could add them together and createone huge > one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) > Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comesrolling > in. > This might aleviate the problem somewhat? Nope, because spammers hijack other domains for relaying spam. Also, there's already such a system... The "Real-Time Blackhole List". --KC ]

Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some laws about this shit.... Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > "Paul McGuire @ work" wrote: > > > > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM > > domains? > > My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other > > people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create one

huge > > one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) > > Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comesrolling > > in. > > This might aleviate the problem somewhat? > > > > Apologies for the crossposting, but I feel this is relevant foreveryone. > > > > However I am sure somebody will think of a reason why this wouldn't work:)

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> > I use Spamkiller (www.spamkiller.com) which checks the mail server > regularly and deletes unwanted e-mails based on domains, mail addy and a > variety of other options, like most utils it takes a while to configure > it properly to make sure your buddy with an idiotic mail addy doesn't > get filtered, but after that it's smooth sailing, it even has a > "complain" button which lets you send a complaint to every administrator > that has relayed that particular mail :-) > > And I've also stopped using my real mail addy when posting to NG's, as > evident by the addys in this post :-), I swap them every so often with > the company that annoys me the most for the time being > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some > laws about this shit.... The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that I can't even read what they're selling... Jonny

The US laws did do something about it - they said "it's Ok to spam people as long as you claim that they opted in to a list and they wanted your junk email". Great. Dino "David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some > laws about this shit.... > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Paul McGuire @ work" wrote: > > > > > > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM > > > domains? > > > My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other > > > people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create

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> huge > > > one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) > > > Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comes > rolling > > > in. > > > This might aleviate the problem somewhat? > > > > > > Apologies for the crossposting, but I feel this is relevant for > everyone. > > > > > > However I am sure somebody will think of a reason why this wouldn't

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> :) > > > > I use Spamkiller (www.spamkiller.com) which checks the mail server > > regularly and deletes unwanted e-mails based on domains, mail addy and a > > variety of other options, like most utils it takes a while to configure > > it properly to make sure your buddy with an idiotic mail addy doesn't > > get filtered, but after that it's smooth sailing, it even has a > > "complain" button which lets you send a complaint to every administrator > > that has relayed that particular mail :-) > > > > And I've also stopped using my real mail addy when posting to NG's, as > > evident by the addys in this post :-), I swap them every so often with > > the company that annoys me the most for the time being > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > --Groucho Marx-- > >

That comes from visiting too many 'dodgy' websites I'm afraid. I get it too! "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:To2V8.5499$[email hidden]... > > David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so > > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crapfrom > > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needssome

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> > laws about this shit.... > > The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started > filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that > I can't even read what they're selling... > > Jonny > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "David Powell" <[email hidden]> writes: >Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so >localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from >another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some >laws about this shit.... There ARE laws about it. They(spammers) aren't always caught... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If you are visiting dodgy sites and silly enough to leave your real mail address then you get what you deserve. On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>That comes from visiting too many 'dodgy' websites I'm afraid. I get it too! > > >"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:To2V8.5499$[email hidden]... >> >> David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> > Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so >> > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap >from >> > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs >some >> > laws about this shit.... >> >> The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started >> filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that >> I can't even read what they're selling... >> >> Jonny >> >> >

Shortly after a brown envelope stuffed with money was handed over. On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:47:54 +1200, "Dean Cleaver" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The US laws did do something about it - they said "it's Ok to spam people as >long as you claim that they opted in to a list and they wanted your junk >email". > >Great. > >Dino > >"David Powell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so >> localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from >> another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some >> laws about this shit.... >> >> >> Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > >> > "Paul McGuire @ work" wrote: >> > > >> > > How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM >> > > domains? >> > > My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other >> > > people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create >one >> huge >> > > one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) >> > > Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comes >> rolling >> > > in. >> > > This might aleviate the problem somewhat? >> > > >> > > Apologies for the crossposting, but I feel this is relevant for >> everyone. >> > > >> > > However I am sure somebody will think of a reason why this wouldn't >work >> :) >> > >> > I use Spamkiller (www.spamkiller.com) which checks the mail server >> > regularly and deletes unwanted e-mails based on domains, mail addy and a >> > variety of other options, like most utils it takes a while to configure >> > it properly to make sure your buddy with an idiotic mail addy doesn't >> > get filtered, but after that it's smooth sailing, it even has a >> > "complain" button which lets you send a complaint to every administrator >> > that has relayed that particular mail :-) >> > >> > And I've also stopped using my real mail addy when posting to NG's, as >> > evident by the addys in this post :-), I swap them every so often with >> > the company that annoys me the most for the time being >> > >> > >> > Beers and cheers >> > (uncle) Goy >> > >> > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ >> > >> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" >> > --Groucho Marx-- >> >> >

Damn guys just get mailwasher..you can delete it before it ever comes to your system. www.mailwasher.net it is an awesome program. Just delete it from the server and you never have problems, it has a blacklist and is being improved all the time. How hard do you have to make it ? In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some > laws about this shit.... > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, RapidRoy <[email hidden]> writes: >Damn guys just get mailwasher..you can delete it before it >ever comes to your system. www.mailwasher.net it is an awesome program. >Just delete it from the server and you never have problems, it has >a blacklist and is being improved all the time. How hard do you have >to make it ? Not everyone had even HEARD of that program... Shoot, I just checked the website. It won't work with AOL or Hotmail... Phooey. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Memnoch <[email hidden]> writes: >If you are visiting dodgy sites and silly enough to leave your real mail >address then you get what you deserve. I've started entering [email hidden]... ;-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> >"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:To2V8.5499$[email hidden]... > >> The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started > >> filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that > >> I can't even read what they're selling... > On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >That comes from visiting too many 'dodgy' websites I'm afraid. I get it too!

Memnoch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you are visiting dodgy sites and silly enough to leave your real mail > address then you get what you deserve. I don't leave my address on *any* website unless I'm directly requesting a response... and even then, if it's remotely dodgy I use a Hotmail account. The address the Koreans are spamming, I think, they can only have picked up during my less-wise days on Usenet, before I added a spamblock to the return address :-( Jonny

dont stop these lowlives trolling newsgroups for email addies..... takes as long to delete from a server as it does to delete in outlook, its a moral issue! maybe your used to living in a place infested with marketing bullshit and mailing lists, im not.... Blacklists a waste of time, as the mails i get are all different (domain) each time, from some arsehole who sent my email to opt-in america....now everyone who downloads there mailing lists sends my fucking address spam.... RapidRoy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Damn guys just get mailwasher..you can delete it before it > ever comes to your system. www.mailwasher.net it is an awesome program. > Just delete it from the server and you never have problems, it has > a blacklist and is being improved all the time. How hard do you have > to make it ? > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so > > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap

from > > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needssome

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> > laws about this shit.... > > > > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:46:06 GMT, "Paul McGuire @ work" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about a website that simply stores lists of all the current SPAM >domains? >My Outlook junk list is about 200 addresses long, I am sure that other >people have other lists maybe we could add them together and create one huge >one and convert it to other mail formats (eudora, netscape etc etc) >Then we share the list and just keep it updated as the SPAM comes rolling >in. >This might aleviate the problem somewhat?

http://spamassassin.org/tag/ Here's an example of what a piece of spam looks like when it hits my qmail inbox. Pretty nice and easy to filter, eh? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:43:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Lori <[email hidden]> Reply-To: Unsubscribe <[email hidden]> To: [email hidden] Subject: *****SPAM***** Congratulations Hope You have been Selected SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results --------------------- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (13.5 hits, 8 required) SPAM: FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES (-0.1 points) From: no spaces in name SPAM: DEAR_SOMEBODY (-0.7 points) BODY: Contains 'Dear Somebody' SPAM: CLICK_BELOW (1.5 points) BODY: Asks you to click below SPAM: EXCUSE_16 (-0.7 points) BODY: I wonder how many emails they sent in error... SPAM: EXCUSE_7 (1.3 points) BODY: Claims you can be removed from the list SPAM: EXCUSE_3 (1.1 points) BODY: Claims you can be removed from the list SPAM: COPYRIGHT_CLAIMED (-1.3 points) BODY: Contains a claim of copyright SPAM: DOUBLE_CAPSWORD (1.1 points) BODY: A word in all caps repeated on the line SPAM: HTTP_WITH_EMAIL_IN_URL (2.6 points) URI: 'remove' URL contains an email address SPAM: NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP (3.3 points) URI: Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL SPAM: SUPERLONG_LINE (0.4 points) BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long SPAM: CLICK_HERE_LINK (0.8 points) BODY: Tells you to click on a URL SPAM: FREQ_SPAM_PHRASE (2.4 points) Contains phrases frequently found in spam SPAM: [score: 14, hits: click here, email address,] SPAM: [here for, list click, received this, removed] SPAM: [from, this message, you must, you receive, you] SPAM: [wish, your mail] SPAM: NO_MX_FOR_FROM (1.8 points) No MX records for the From: domain SPAM: SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- Jason

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:37:57 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started >filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that >I can't even read what they're selling... 85% of the spam I get originates in one of the koreas or japan, and this has been a problem since the Internet went commercial. Thankfullyapnic is easy to deal with so you can easily find and block entire networks if need be (whois.apnic.net). If the spam you're getting isn't originating in the koreas/japan, than chances are your mail administrator is already filtering it. Jason

Most spam has nothing to do with usenet or with address collection software of any kind. The most common spam, particularly that originating from the apnic countries, is dictionary spam. Jason On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>That comes from visiting too many 'dodgy' websites I'm afraid. I get it too! > > >"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:To2V8.5499$[email hidden]... >> >> David Powell <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> > Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so >> > localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap >from >> > another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs >some >> > laws about this shit.... >> >> The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started >> filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that >> I can't even read what they're selling... >> >> Jonny >> >> > >

I am changing my hotmail accounts almost every month now... since that is what I use for ANYTHING that goes in a form field online. I must change them so much (and it gets REALLY confusing) because I use up my 250-limit block up in that time... which means that email addy has expired. I often wondered if this invasion of privacy could be considered trespassing, since the entry into MY property was unwelcomed and forced upon. Could the laws of "self defense" be applied? Could the self-defense idealism not also be automatically applied to any action taken against another party who trespassed on your property? Would any reaction you take, solicit, arrange not be considered legal if we were to split hairs? It bugs me so much, that I thought of a way to make sure spammers do not get far. I say "Fight fire with 100 flame throwers" I thought about an automated system that had a number of email addresses on a number of boxes worldwide (this would be a community thing of course...) Any mail that hit those boxes... would be reported to the central system... which would direct more donated servers to attack that originating mail-server. I mean attack it from all sides, and continue in persistence with the attacks. I'm talking DOS attacks, PING attacks, everything under the sun to overload that box from all flanks so that it cannot send out anymore spam. Knock it down... and make sure it can't get back up. Claim self-defense by virtue of trespassing in court... and move on... I bet you will find a LOT more email servers setup with greater care as to not allow Relaying Mail for outside and unauthorized users. Make it so that the ISP/Carriers are a LOT more weary about doing those famous "back-door deals" with the spammers (since their servers would be attacked, and would severely clog up their network as a whole), and basically make it VERY hard for a spammer to even get off the ground. Some will say "why attack me, my server was compromised and used for their purpose... not mine..." I say "TFB... if you wanna play on the Net... be knowledgeable and setup your servers properly, or have someone knowledgeable do it for you if its that important to you..." The same mentality applies to so many other felonies, etc. You hit a guy by accident, but you were speeding. You get charged with vehicular manslaughter, regardless of your intent... you are responsible for your actions, your property, etc. Any misuse is YOUR responsibility. Why can this not be applied to cyberspace crimes? Anyways... that's my 10 cents on the topic of great angst for me. Cheers, Schumi

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>I bet you will find a LOT more email servers setup with greater care as to >not allow Relaying Mail for outside and unauthorized users. Make it so that >the ISP/Carriers are a LOT more weary about doing those famous "back-door >deals" with the spammers (since their servers would be attacked, and would >severely clog up their network as a whole), and basically make it VERY hard >for a spammer to even get off the ground. > >Some will say "why attack me, my server was compromised and used for their >purpose... not mine..." I say "TFB... if you wanna play on the Net... be >knowledgeable and setup your servers properly, or have someone knowledgeable >do it for you if its that important to you..."

While I'd agree with that on principle, I can't agree with it in reality. As a network administrator for a university, I see too many students who get compromised and their systems used as open relays. We have almost 10,000 students online, and other schools probably have even more. If even 5% of them were subject to the type of retaliatory attack you suggest, the network would probably cease to function. There is NO way we(or anyone) could police that many users to prevent them from being compromised... If it would only affect the individual involved, I'd say go for it. It won't... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS, VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:01:07 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >> >"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:To2V8.5499$[email hidden]... > >> >> The Koreans have recently (well, for a few months now) started >> >> filling my inbox with sh*te. The really ironic thing is that >> >> I can't even read what they're selling... > >> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >That comes from visiting too many 'dodgy' websites I'm afraid. I get it too! > >Memnoch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >> If you are visiting dodgy sites and silly enough to leave your real mail >> address then you get what you deserve. > >I don't leave my address on *any* website unless I'm directly >requesting a response... and even then, if it's remotely dodgy >I use a Hotmail account. > >The address the Koreans are spamming, I think, they can only >have picked up during my less-wise days on Usenet, before I >added a spamblock to the return address :-(

That is indeed the problem. When I first started I did the same thing, but changed it long ago, but once you are on one of those CDs you are pretty much there for life. That is unless you change your mail addy.

How does this compare to Spam Killer? I don't really get too much spam to be honest and just use the filtering within Outllook and bulk delete stuff manually. What I would like is a small tool that perhaps runs as a service and delete stuff automatically. Just set it up to check every 5 minutes or so and delete according to a list. On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 02:12:22 GMT, RapidRoy <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Damn guys just get mailwasher..you can delete it before it >ever comes to your system. www.mailwasher.net it is an awesome program. >Just delete it from the server and you never have problems, it has >a blacklist and is being improved all the time. How hard do you have >to make it ? > > >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> Only spam i get is from the US, maybe a solution to it as its so >> localised....they still send to my co.uk....I find getting this crap from >> another country infecting my mailbox is well out of order....US needs some >> laws about this shit.... >> >> >> Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > >>