Some things never change (GPL/VROC)

I fired up VROC and ran a race at Monza today after a year and a half away from the sim. Of 16 cars that started, six were "the green car", four were the red car, and a mix of the rest (BRM was conspicuous by it's absence). Starting grid wreck, wrecks through first four turns, and topped off by 12 of the cars retiring 6 laps before the end of the 11-lap race. I started 11th and finished 4th. Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (at which point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearest of the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! Some things never change... -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

John Simmons wrote:

Quoted text (17 lines)

> > I fired up VROC and ran a race at Monza today after a year and a half > away from the sim. Of 16 cars that started, six were "the green car", > four were the red car, and a mix of the rest (BRM was conspicuous by > it's absence). > > Starting grid wreck, wrecks through first four turns, and topped off by > 12 of the cars retiring 6 laps before the end of the 11-lap race. I > started 11th and finished 4th. > > Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they > get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (at which > point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearest of > the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they > quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! > > Some things never change...

And here I was thinking that VROC had the best drivers in the world..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"John Simmons" wrote: > Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they > get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (atwhich > point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearestof > the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they > quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! > > Some things never change... Yep in that respect you would expect the maturity of the sim to have rubbed off on the drivers. Unfortunately this seems representative of open server access of any form of on-line gaming. Be it team killers or cheaters in FPS games or wreckers in car racing sims. Most of the time the wreckers aren't as deliberate as the cheaters - it just turns out that way. Personally I find N2002 online a bit akin to the first GPL lap just repeated in terms of potential for a group get together. Of course you can get get lucky and chance on a good group via the open servers. Maybe I'll see ya later :-) Tony

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (29 lines)

> John Simmons wrote: > > > > I fired up VROC and ran a race at Monza today after a year and a half > > away from the sim. Of 16 cars that started, six were "the green car", > > four were the red car, and a mix of the rest (BRM was conspicuous by > > it's absence). > > > > Starting grid wreck, wrecks through first four turns, and topped off by > > 12 of the cars retiring 6 laps before the end of the 11-lap race. I > > started 11th and finished 4th. > > > > Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they > > get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (at which > > point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearest of > > the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they > > quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! > > > > Some things never change... > > And here I was thinking that VROC had the best drivers in the world..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Hehe...... John

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (16 lines)

> I fired up VROC and ran a race at Monza today after a year and a half > away from the sim. Of 16 cars that started, six were "the green car", > four were the red car, and a mix of the rest (BRM was conspicuous by > it's absence). > > Starting grid wreck, wrecks through first four turns, and topped off by > 12 of the cars retiring 6 laps before the end of the 11-lap race. I > started 11th and finished 4th. > > Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they > get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (at which > point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearest of > the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they > quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! > > Some things never change...

Aren't you just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe they were aware that a GOD was in their midst and couldn't control themselves. Then again, maybe they were just on there for a bit of a laugh. Stranger things have happened.

Bejeezuz wrote: > > Aren't you just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe they were aware that a GOD > was in their midst and couldn't control themselves. > Then again, maybe they were just on there for a bit of a laugh. Stranger things have > happened. You need to work on your sarcasm, it's not very good Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bejeezuz wrote: > > > > > Aren't you just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe they were aware that aGOD > > was in their midst and couldn't control themselves. > > Then again, maybe they were just on there for a bit of a laugh. Stranger things have > > happened. > > You need to work on your sarcasm, it's not very good >It was aimed at the lowest form of wit. If you think you fit the bill, sorry.

redTed wrote: > > It was aimed at the lowest form of wit. If you think you fit the bill, sorry. I enjoy good sarcasm, aimed at me or others, yours don't fit the bill, if you're going to be a prick, at least do it with a touch of class, put some effort into it Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted text (14 lines)

> Bejeezuz wrote: > > > > > Aren't you just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe they were aware that a GOD > > was in their midst and couldn't control themselves. > > Then again, maybe they were just on there for a bit of a laugh. Stranger things have > > happened. > > You need to work on your sarcasm, it's not very good > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy >

Why don't you guys kill-file this person? -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

> > > > > Aren't you just the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe they were aware that aGOD

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > > was in their midst and couldn't control themselves. > > > Then again, maybe they were just on there for a bit of a laugh. Stranger things have > > > happened. > > > > You need to work on your sarcasm, it's not very good > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > Why don't you guys kill-file this person?

Maybe they aren't little cry baby's who run off when things get a little tough.

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (8 lines)

> redTed wrote: > > > > It was aimed at the lowest form of wit. If you think you fit the bill, sorry. > > I enjoy good sarcasm, aimed at me or others, yours don't fit the bill, > if you're going to be a prick, at least do it with a touch of class, put > some effort into it >

What's up with it ? It hit the mark, I see.

John Simmons wrote: > > Why don't you guys kill-file this person? I rarely ever filter people on NG's, I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

redTed wrote: > > What's up with it ? > It hit the mark, I see. What mark ? I said I enjoy sarcasm, why would a remark about the lowest form of wit get to me, it's not a very original comment you know You're acting like a prick towards John, which is of course entirely up to you, but since the chances are that he's already kill filed you, could you at least put some effort into it so that the rest of us could enjoy the show a little, right now it's just tedious and a total waste since he's not seeing your posts and those of us who do aren't going to change our opinion of John, at least not based on the quality of your current posts Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Are you still waiting for the waaaaaaaambulance to show up? The problem is that open server Monza in GPL is analogous to Daytona/Talladega open server races in the Nascar sims. And they both collect some of th worst drivers in both sims...you should have remembered that part... -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I fired up VROC and ran a race at Monza today after a year and a half > away from the sim. Of 16 cars that started, six were "the green car", > four were the red car, and a mix of the rest (BRM was conspicuous by > it's absence). > > Starting grid wreck, wrecks through first four turns, and topped off by > 12 of the cars retiring 6 laps before the end of the 11-lap race. I > started 11th and finished 4th. > > Nobody knows how to start, everybody appears to be surprised when they > get to the 1st turn on lap 1 and there's still cars near them (at which > point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive into the nearest of > the other cars), and if it doens't look like they're gonna win, they > quit. And this was an intermediate/short race! > > Some things never change... > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (7 lines)

> John Simmons wrote: > > > > Why don't you guys kill-file this person? > > I rarely ever filter people on NG's, I like to see what all the weirdo's > are up to :-) >

That's your view and you're entitled to it. Who are the other weirdo's your keeping an eye on ?

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to :-) We are not weirdoes, just freaks ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

redTed wrote:

Quoted text (11 lines)

> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > John Simmons wrote: > > > > > > Why don't you guys kill-file this person? > > > > I rarely ever filter people on NG's, I like to see what all the weirdo's > > are up to :-) > > > That's your view and you're entitled to it. Who are the other weirdo's your keeping an eye > on ?

Everyone at r.a.s. who spends more time behind a computer screen than they should, sending messages to other people who spend too much time behind a computer screen, guess that about covers the whole lot in here Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Quoted text (11 lines)

> I said I enjoy sarcasm, why would a remark about the lowest form of wit > get to me, it's not a very original comment you know > > You're acting like a prick towards John, which is of course entirely up > to you, but since the chances are that he's already kill filed you, > could you at least put some effort into it so that the rest of us could > enjoy the show a little, right now it's just tedious and a total waste > since he's not seeing your posts and those of us who do aren't going to > change our opinion of John, at least not based on the quality of your > current posts >

They seem to be keeping your attention.

redTed wrote: > > They seem to be keeping your attention. Ah, but we've already established the "low form of wit" on my part, and as we've covered elsewhere in this thread, I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

ymenard wrote: > > >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to :-) > > We are not weirdoes, just freaks ;-) In your case, this is very true, damn Trekkie .... :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote on 07 Jul 2002: <snip> > (at which point they lapse into an epileptic seizure and drive > into the nearest of the other cars)<snip> Actually, someone having an epileptic fit would be likely to appear to have totally lost control, as they'd be waving their arms and legs around with such force that if they did manage to connect with the wheel/pedals the car would accelerate/brake/steer with "Papy-crash- force"! Driving into the nearest car would take a damn sight more accuracy than the average epileptic person has during a fit. (Mind you, it bloody hurts when you come round, I can tell you - so I suppose it'd be the nearest thing to having a real crash in GPL...) -- Cricket: England 2 Sri Lanka 0 Athletics: Gt Britain & NI European Cup winners Keep those flags up! The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

Goy Larsen wrote:

Quoted text (8 lines)

> redTed wrote: > >>They seem to be keeping your attention. > > > Ah, but we've already established the "low form of wit" on my part, and > as we've covered elsewhere in this thread, I like to see what all the > weirdo's are up to

Why do you even try? :-P -- Fester

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Why do you even try? :-P Someone ought to put up a sign in here, "Please don't feed the animals", but I didn't want my popcorn anyway Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the WAR Room! "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (17 lines)

> ymenard wrote: > > > > >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to :-) > > > > We are not weirdoes, just freaks ;-) > > In your case, this is very true, damn Trekkie .... :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

"Biz" wrote: > Are you still waiting for the waaaaaaaambulance to show up? Theproblem is that open server Monza > in GPL is analogous to Daytona/Talladega open server races in theNascar sims. And they both > collect some of th worst drivers in both sims...you should haveremembered that part... Its all part of his therapy. T1 at Monza in an open server should knock him back into shape. He'll be back telling us to cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped before too long :-) Tony

Quoted text (8 lines)

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > ymenard wrote: > > >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > I like to see what all the weirdo's are up to :-) > > > > We are not weirdoes, just freaks ;-) > > In your case, this is very true, damn Trekkie .... :-)

I'll never be a Trekkie! I'll rather be dead then to be forced to watch those shows ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GN1W8.444617$cQ3.32296@sccrnsc01... > Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the WAR Room! > Unless one is defending the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids! (or some such nonsense) Elrikk ;o)

Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M33W8.4963$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > "Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GN1W8.444617$cQ3.32296@sccrnsc01... > > Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the WAR Room! > > > > Unless one is defending the purity of essence of our precious bodily

fluids!

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > (or some such nonsense) > > Elrikk ;o) > > >

"redTed" wrote... > <snip> > That's your view and you're entitled to it. Who are the > other weirdo's your keeping an eye on ? Me, probably. Jan. ;-) =---

>"Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! I think both quotes from elrikk and Peter were quite known enough so that we didn't need to add our own "hey it's from that Strangelove movie!" <VBG> That's like saying "Hey it's from Star Wars" each time somebody writes may the Force be with you ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

FEED ME MANDRAKE!!! "Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qn3W8.431397$352.59253@sccrnsc02...

Quoted text (21 lines)

> Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! > > "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M33W8.4963$[email hidden]... > > > > "Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:GN1W8.444617$cQ3.32296@sccrnsc01... > > > Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the WAR Room! > > > > > > > Unless one is defending the purity of essence of our precious bodily > fluids! > > > > (or some such nonsense) > > > > Elrikk ;o) > > > > > > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LH7W8.641$[email hidden]... > >"Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! > > > I think both quotes from elrikk and Peter were quite known enough so thatwe > didn't need to add our own "hey it's from that Strangelove movie!" <VBG> > > That's like saying "Hey it's from Star Wars" each time somebody writes may > the Force be with you ;-) > Sure! I agree. Any idiot can get that it's from Star Wars. But which episode? . . . Eh? . . . . Eh? . . . . Well c'mon. Elrikk ;o)

In article <bh2W8.23165$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted text (15 lines)

> "Biz" wrote: > > > Are you still waiting for the waaaaaaaambulance to show up? The > problem is that open server Monza > > in GPL is analogous to Daytona/Talladega open server races in the > Nascar sims. And they both > > collect some of th worst drivers in both sims...you should have > remembered that part... > > Its all part of his therapy. T1 at Monza in an open server should knock > him back into shape. > > He'll be back telling us to cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped before > too long :-) >

Actually, I got rear-ended on the grid because I had to slow to keep from hitting the car in front of me, and someone behind me wasn't as concerned about doing me the same favor. After that, I managed not to get hit by anyone, but advanced several positions as I passed wrecks in turns one through four. I didn't have any offs or spins either. Except for being pummeled at the grid, it was a fairly uneventful (and almost boring) race. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:39:17 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>redTed wrote: >> >> It was aimed at the lowest form of wit. If you think you fit the bill, sorry. > >I enjoy good sarcasm, aimed at me or others, yours don't fit the bill, >if you're going to be a prick, at least do it with a touch of class, put >some effort into it

Yeah, come on. This new "hissy fit of the week" that John S. has been posting is some of the funniest stuff I've seen. What? Oh, you mean he's serious?!? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Welcome to sim racing! > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:00:58 GMT, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Most of the time the wreckers aren't as >deliberate as the cheaters - it just turns out that way. What's the old saying? ... "A sufficient degree of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ;-)

>"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote > Sure! I agree. Any idiot can get that it's from Star Wars. > > But which episode? . . . Eh? . . . . Eh? . . . . 7, 10 and pi! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <LH7W8.641$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >>"Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! > > >I think both quotes from elrikk and Peter were quite known enough so that we >didn't need to add our own "hey it's from that Strangelove movie!" <VBG> Well, I didn't know that one, so thanks... :) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (8 lines)

> In article <LH7W8.641$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>"Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> Well, well, A least ONE film historian in this godforsaken forum! > > > > > >I think both quotes from elrikk and Peter were quite known enough so that

we > >didn't need to add our own "hey it's from that Strangelove movie!" <VBG> > > Well, I didn't know that one, so thanks... :) > > Eldred > -- IF you have not seen it, RUN DO NOT WALK to your closest video store and get; "Dr. Strangelove: or How I stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bomb". You won't regret it. Elrikk PS If you have seen it already how could you forget the quotes? ;o)

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:02:14 -0400, "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

> >IF you have not seen it, RUN DO NOT WALK to your closest video store and >get; >"Dr. Strangelove: or How I stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bomb". > >You won't regret it. >

Oh, yes, that's *so* true! In fact... Don't just rent it, if you can, *buy* it. >Elrikk > >PS If you have seen it already how could you forget the quotes? ;o) > >'Yee-ha!' (I believe?) -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

It's getting worse actually. Over the last couple of weeks I am into nearly double figures in terms of the number of races where reverse drivers were present. We had a good spell for a while. Where are all these morons suddenly coming from? MS "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > John Simmons wrote:

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ageodt$mnh$[email hidden]... > It's getting worse actually. Over the last couple of weeks I am intonearly > double figures in terms of the number of races where reverse drivers were > present. We had a good spell for a while. Where are all these morons > suddenly coming from? I race nearly every night on the vroc pickup races & haven't seen any. C'mon, mane & shame!! Malc.

Hardly worth it. "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DhIW8.16382$VP6.1072623@stones... > "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ageodt$mnh$[email hidden]... > > It's getting worse actually. Over the last couple of weeks I am into > nearly > > double figures in terms of the number of races where reverse driverswere > > present. We had a good spell for a while. Where are all these morons > > suddenly coming from? > > I race nearly every night on the vroc pickup races & haven't seen any. > > C'mon, mane & shame!! Well bud, you've been lucky. I can even cite an instance a few days ago at Spa where there were actually two idiots. M. Tremonti decided that it would be a good idea to wreck qualifying with his virtuoso display of reverse driving and donut technique, requiring that we all wait an inordinate time after qualifying finished until he exited his car. He then proceeded to take out half the grid before the flag. I personally had to stop at the end of lap 1 to serve a penalty because his rearending me caused GPL to say that I had jumped the start. Once he had had hs fun. M. Black took over and met me at a closing speed of close to 400 mph around the back of the circuit! I have the replay and it aint pretty. There have been several occasions recently where I have been in attendance and reverse drivers have been on track. They have mostly been too cowardly to use real names, preferring to call themselves "Z" or suchlike..... MS > > Malc. > >

In article <ageodt$mnh$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >It's getting worse actually. Over the last couple of weeks I am into nearly >double figures in terms of the number of races where reverse drivers were >present. We had a good spell for a while. Where are all these morons >suddenly coming from? Banned from N2002...? :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <agh5jn$emg$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well bud, you've been lucky. I can even cite an instance a few days ago at >Spa where there were actually two idiots. M. Tremonti decided that it would >be a good idea to wreck qualifying with his virtuoso display of reverse >driving and donut technique, requiring that we all wait an inordinate time >after qualifying finished until he exited his car. Question: If you *watched* this moron screwing up qualifying, why did you even STAY for the race? You know there's a jackass in the field - go find another race... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agh5jn$emg$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (9 lines)

> "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > I race nearly every night on the vroc pickup races & haven't seen any. > > > > C'mon, mane & shame!! > There have been several occasions recently where I have been in attendance > and reverse drivers have been on track. They have mostly been too cowardly > to use real names, preferring to call themselves "Z" or suchlike.....

Well I'm glad you didn't just start complaining about T1 crashes or stopped cars out on the track. I take a fairly robust attitute to this sort of thing & just deal with it. otoh doing laps in reverse & railriding really bug me, but in the last couple of months I've only seen one railrider and I recall someone who had finished the race driving back up the track while others were still on their last lap. The latter was probably just thoughtlessness rather than deliberate though. I tend to race late evening (sometime around 9pm to 1am) UK time. What about you? Malc.

> > Question: If you *watched* this moron screwing up qualifying, why did youeven > STAY for the race? You know there's a jackass in the field - go findanother > race... Simple Eldred. If New Yorkers see planes being crashed into their buildings, why don't they just move away? Cave in to these idiots and they have won....... MS

In article <agi9b9$8t3$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (13 lines)

>> Question: If you *watched* this moron screwing up qualifying, why did you >even >> STAY for the race? You know there's a jackass in the field - go find >another >> race... > >Simple Eldred. > >If New Yorkers see planes being crashed into their buildings, why don't they >just move away? > >Cave in to these idiots and they have won....... >

Ok Mark - I *know* you don't really think that's a good parallel... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > > > Ok Mark - I *know* you don't really think that's a good parallel... :-( > > Eldred Maybe not buddy but the principle is the same. If after paying to be in a qualifying session for something like 1/2 an hour - remember that some of us have to pay by the minute for dialup online time - some antisocial prat decides to try and wreck mine and others hard earned leisure expenditure, why the hell should we have to simply move along? It's against all my principles to be railroaded by inadequate morons MS

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agp913$3ev$[email hidden]... > If after paying to be in a qualifying session for something like 1/2 an > hour - remember that some of us have to pay by the minute for dialuponline > time - some antisocial prat decides to try and wreck mine and others hard > earned leisure expenditure, why the hell should we have to simply move > along? It's against all my principles to be railroaded by inadequatemorons Just try to be a bit less brittle. The vast majority of incidents are mistakes. The very few incidents that are deliberate usually seem to come from short-lived vindictiveness, and you can lessen the chances of that happening by being less brittle. Even at it's lowest, vroc is still surprisingly polite I find. Malc.

> Just try to be a bit less brittle. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Please qualify. > The vast majority of incidents are > mistakes. Sure thing. I can tolerate this as well as the next person. Hell, I make more than my fair share. > The very few incidents that are deliberate usually seem to come > from short-lived vindictiveness, I can name one guy. He uses the handle BIBOX and has been hanging around for about a month now. When not trying to wreck races he sits in chat, abusing everybody with his sewer mouth. > and you can lessen the chances of that > happening by being less brittle. That word brittle again. If I was to come across this guy in real life, he would be discovering how brittle a hard drive can be when it experiences a decellerative force of aroung 100 g > > Even at it's lowest, vroc is still surprisingly polite I find. I agree with you Malc. Most VROC members are great people. However, when somebody is doing their best to take out an entire field whilst firing abuse and verbal bombardments of the magnitude that would make the average rapper blush..... MS

In article <agp913$3ev$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (14 lines)

>> > >> >> Ok Mark - I *know* you don't really think that's a good parallel... :-( >> >> Eldred > >Maybe not buddy but the principle is the same. > >If after paying to be in a qualifying session for something like 1/2 an >hour - remember that some of us have to pay by the minute for dialup online >time - some antisocial prat decides to try and wreck mine and others hard >earned leisure expenditure, why the hell should we have to simply move >along? It's against all my principles to be railroaded by inadequate morons >

If it's solely because you have to pay by the minute for internet access, then that's your choice, and I can't comment on it. Since mine includes unlimited access, I find it easier to simply find another race to join. Life's too short to deal with morons, y'know? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ags48g$hsh$[email hidden]... > Malc wrote: > > Just try to be a bit less brittle. > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Please qualify. less brittle = less likely to snap (get angry). > I can name one guy. Don't recognise the name. What time do you race, usually? I'm late evenings UK time. I'll look out for him/her, though thanks. > > Even at it's lowest, vroc is still surprisingly polite I find. > > I agree with you Malc. Most VROC members are great people. However, when > somebody is doing their best to take out an entire field whilst firingabuse > and verbal bombardments of the magnitude that would make the averagerapper > blush..... Yeah don't you just wish you could type really sarcastic stuff & stay on the track?? Oh the opportunities I've missed... ;-) Look out for me on vroc & say hi. Malc.

On 14 Jul 2002 16:34:36 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >If it's solely because you have to pay by the minute for internet access, then >that's your choice, and I can't comment on it. Since mine includes unlimited Uh - I suspect that may not be a matter of choice. Not every country is the U.S., you know, with several telecomm companies offering alternative (and affordable) plans for Internet access (or even, for plain telephone calls)... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

In article <[email hidden]>, machf <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (10 lines)

>On 14 Jul 2002 16:34:36 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>If it's solely because you have to pay by the minute for internet access, >then >>that's your choice, and I can't comment on it. Since mine includes >unlimited > >Uh - I suspect that may not be a matter of choice. Not every country is the >U.S., you know, with several telecomm companies offering alternative (and >affordable) plans for Internet access (or even, for plain telephone calls)...

No, I meant it's his choice to stay in a race with a wrecker... Did you actually follow the discussion, or did you just want to get in a dig at the U.S.? Sheesh... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 15 Jul 2002 00:52:30 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

Quoted text (18 lines)

>In article <[email hidden]>, machf ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>On 14 Jul 2002 16:34:36 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >>>If it's solely because you have to pay by the minute for internet access, >>then >>>that's your choice, and I can't comment on it. Since mine includes >>unlimited >> >>Uh - I suspect that may not be a matter of choice. Not every country is the >>U.S., you know, with several telecomm companies offering alternative (and >>affordable) plans for Internet access (or even, for plain telephone calls)... > >No, I meant it's his choice to stay in a race with a wrecker... Did you >actually follow the discussion, or did you just want to get in a dig at the >U.S.? Sheesh... >

No, I just misunderstood what you meant... Relax. -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying