Wheel better than a joystick?

Hi Folks, I've just started using the wheel for F1 2002, but unfortunately with me, I'm actually lapping 1:28's instead of my usual 1:24's on Silverstone (all help off, non-grip standard EA setup) when using a joystick. The only advantage I could find with the wheel, is that stopping spins and recovering from them is easier than with a joystick. Is this a case of not being used to it? Or are joysticks (Although not realistic) the way to go for high lap times? So I guess my question is, should I persevere with the wheel? Or drop it altogether? -- Robert Pollard

"Robert Pollard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Folks, > I've just started using the wheel for F1 2002, but unfortunately > with me, I'm actually lapping 1:28's instead of my usual 1:24's on > Silverstone (all help off, non-grip standard EA setup) when using a > joystick. > The only advantage I could find with the wheel, is that stopping > spins and recovering from them is easier than with a joystick. Is this > a case of not being used to it? Or are joysticks (Although not > realistic) the way to go for high lap times? > So I guess my question is, should I persevere with the wheel? Or > drop it altogether? > -- > Robert Pollard

When I first got a wheel, I lost time too. It was very humbling. Keep in mind the in-game settings are usually different for a wheel vs a joystick. You may want to poke around the controller setup screens. Haqsau & Fat n Slo have come up with some good settings for F1 2001, I don't know how they translate to 2002 yet tho. Try putting all the sensitivity sliders to 50%. Reduce your speed sensitivity to zero and then in EACH individual setup, reduce the steering lock from th 19 to 24 degree range to 10 to 12 degrees. (Monaco might need a little more for the hairpins) Good luck. oh and some of the fastest guys in world use joysticks in gpl, but some others use wheels...it's just a matter of what works for you. dave henrie

On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:40:40 +0100, Robert Pollard <[email hidden]> wrote: > So I guess my question is, should I persevere with the wheel? Or >drop it altogether? I'd rather be slow with a wheel than fast with a joystick. =) That said, I played GPL for nearly a year with the keyboard. I lost several seconds at each track when I first got a wheel. Just keep practicing and you'll be fine. Jason

I'll start using a Joystick in a racing game when they'll be the Standard controlling device for 90 % of the car manufacturers and/or Racing Teams. Being fast is fun but having the impression of controlling a "real" car, is even better. Which is why I prefer a "sim" over an "arcade" game. Denis

> So I guess my question is, should I persevere with the wheel? Or > drop it altogether? IMHO, it depends on your reason for simming: * Is cutting the absolute, fastest lap possible, your top and only priority? If so, then run what yields that result. (After giving the wheel a fair amount of time, and doing some "tweaks" as suggested.) * Is immersing yourself into a racing simulation and overcoming challenges similiar to what an actual race car driver faces your top priority? Then a wheel is the only answer. I switched to a wheel in '96 and NO WAY would I EVER think of going back. (I fall into the latter category above.) Yes, there was a new learning curve, but it added so much to the "immersal factor" when simming that I was hooked on a wheel immediately. In fact, if I could not have a wheel/pedals... then I couldn't care less about any auto racing simulation. For me, I choose to use a wheel even if I'm seconds per lap slower. Why? For the "immersal factor". So in recap, what's your priority in simming? To play a racing game and have fun trying to be the fastest? Or, to attempt to simulate as closely as practical the wonderful world of auto racing? Neither approach is "wrong", neither is "better"... just different. Your call. Andre Ming

In article <9n0W8.762$[email hidden]>, "Eden" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'll start using a Joystick in a racing game when they'll be the Standard >controlling device for 90 % of the car manufacturers and/or Racing Teams. you know thats a great idea. they've started using computer like joysticks in airliners (airbus) instead of those old huge 'wheels' they should look into using a joystick style controller for cars hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres nothing in the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal?

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> you know thats a great idea. they've started using computer like > joysticks in airliners (airbus) instead of those old huge 'wheels' > they should look into using a joystick style controller for cars > > hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres > nothing in the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal? >

As long as you put the joystick back after leaving the car... :) There have been experiments done at some car manufacturers. For example, SAAB had an fully working, joystick-driven concept car in the eighties. I don't think it got very far beyond the factory walls though.

On 8 Jul 2002 01:30:54 GMT, B Bonnet <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Obake) wrote in >news:3d28dfea$0$27303$[email hidden]: > >> you know thats a great idea. they've started using computer like >> joysticks in airliners (airbus) instead of those old huge 'wheels' >> they should look into using a joystick style controller for cars >> >> hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres >> nothing in the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal? >> > >As long as you put the joystick back after leaving the car... :) > >There have been experiments done at some car manufacturers. For example, >SAAB had an fully working, joystick-driven concept car in the eighties. I >don't think it got very far beyond the factory walls though.

Remember what early cars used before they started to use a steering wheel? What about Cadillac's [I believe it was them but I may be wrong] "wrist-twist" steering device? -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:42:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Obake) wrote: >hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres nothing in >the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal? Dunno if it's legal, but Villeneuve has been trying to convince BAR to try a joystick for years. Jason

In article <OGYV8.312718$[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes ><snippage> >oh and some of the fastest guys in world use joysticks in gpl, but some >others use wheels...it's just a matter of what works for you. >dave henrie > >Yeah, I was much faster with a joystick than I am now with a wheel, but then it's not just about being fast, is it? :) Gave up using joystick over a year ago. Best thing I ever did. Well... almost. <BG> -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

Thanks for all the posts. I think I'll stick with the wheel as it does add more to the immersive qualities of the sim. I guess with practice my lap times will eventually drop again! -- Robert Pollard

Villeneuve has been trying to convince BAR to compete for years. When do they listen to him? (except last Sunday) I'm pretty sure that drive by wire is illegal in F1, but it doesn't have to be electronic, early planes weren't. Chris "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:42:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Obake) wrote: > > >hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres nothingin > >the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal? > > Dunno if it's legal, but Villeneuve has been trying to convince BAR to > try a joystick for years. > > Jason

> hmm, maybe i should approach a F1 team about this :) hope theres nothing in > the FIA rulings that says drive-by-wire is illegal? It wouldnt work because of the lateral Gs. Works in planes cos the accelleration is vertical, the plane of movement in which the joystick doesnt move. steve