Now where for Papy?

OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with a coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be working on now? Surely work must have started on something even if they arn't too near a press release type situation. What is the something?! go aun... giz us a cloo :-)

>"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with a > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be > working on now? They have already stated that they are working on Nascar Racing 2003. They had stuff about that at E3. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into real sim racers. Mr. B "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]...

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> OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with a > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be > working on now? Surely work must have started on something even if they > arn't too near a press release type situation. > > What is the something?! go aun... giz us a cloo :-) > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:581W8.398$[email hidden]... > >"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up witha > > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be > > working on now? > > > They have already stated that they are working on Nascar Racing 2003.They > had stuff about that at E3. God dam it. Papyrus, stop with teh fucking nascar please. I know it must make you a ton of cash but lets get back to real racing like Cart and F1.

"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]... > OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with a > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be > working on now? N2003 Doug

>"Card" <[email hidden]> wrote > And CART Racing 2003 with new physics model. Sorry, but Papyrus has *not* stated they were working on this. Nor does Sierra. It's false. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"jackie_chan_fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lM1W8.73090$[email hidden]... > > > God dam it. Papyrus, stop with teh fucking nascar please. I know it must > make you a ton of cash but lets get back to real racing like Cart and F1. Or those New Zealand V12's or whatever that guy from Down Under keeps asking for. ;o) Elrikk

"Card" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But...It does sound good doesn't it! After watching those in-car shotsfrom > the CART race today all I could think about was Papyrus making a new > CART/INDY program with tracks I really enjoyed driving. Oh well. (Kind of > sad when ya think about it). IT's f**king tragic that Papy dont use their SUPERB combo of netcode, physics and graphics from N2k2 and do something usefull with it What they ARE doing with it - is N2k3 :( Doug

> They have already stated that they are working on Nascar Racing 2003.They > had stuff about that at E3. > And CART Racing 2003 with new physics model.

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AussieV8's, and I'm from Norway :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Card" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But...It does sound good doesn't it! After watching those in-car shotsfrom > the CART race today all I could think about was Papyrus making a new > CART/INDY program with tracks I really enjoyed driving. Oh well. (Kind of > sad when ya think about it). CART definately has the best tracks, to be honest in indycar 2 i loved flying around michigan, but Laguna sega, portland, toronto, and all the others would be orgasmic with papy's latest physics. let us pray

I was unaware of this. If Papy are now stuck doing N(Year(Now)+1) because that is what brings in the moolay, then surely they could employee a few more people, to take the previous version of their engine, and convert it to a series such as open-wheel (insert here which formulae). I was always sure that I read Papy were developing an engine purely so "values could be plugged in" and wallah, any form of racing could be quickly created. i guess it didnt end up quite that versatile. i mean, if by the time N2003 comes along, or just before, papy release a Cart sim based on N2002 core engine, that would instantly become the best selling Cart/open wheel sim even tho technolgy wise it were just about to be superceded in N2003. heck I mean some people still enjoy ICR2, had an ICR3 come out after N3... loads more would still be playing ICR3? get me driftin' ? c'mon papy, if it aint cost effective or whatever, just be nice to know why and what your plans are of late. cheers. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:581W8.398$[email hidden]... > >"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up witha > > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be > > working on now? > > > They have already stated that they are working on Nascar Racing 2003.They

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<snip> > God dam it. Papyrus, stop with teh fucking nascar please. I know it must > make you a ton of cash but lets get back to real racing like Cart and F1.<snip> Nah. The word on the streets is that they are doing great progress in developing yet another left turn. Besides, it is cheaper than doing right handers all of the time, too. Jon Andersen

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> elrikk wrote: > > > > "jackie_chan_fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lM1W8.73090$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > God dam it. Papyrus, stop with teh fucking nascar please. I know it

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Sorry about that typo. With you having such an obviously Nordic name, Goy Larsen, I of course intended to type "from Up Over". Elrikk ;o)

But...It does sound good doesn't it! After watching those in-car shots from the CART race today all I could think about was Papyrus making a new CART/INDY program with tracks I really enjoyed driving. Oh well. (Kind of sad when ya think about it).

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Norway or Australia? Whats the difference? if you fold the map over they are practically next door neighbors. Weren't they both :) former English prison settlements??? (ducking) dave henrie

What's wrong? Don't you LIKE NASCAR? (Eyes moisting) "Player #7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:03:15 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> posted: > > > >They have already stated that they are working on Nascar Racing 2003.They > >had stuff about that at E3. > > Oooh great! Just what I always wanted, another Nascar sim! >

I second that! Can you imagine what those tracks would look like now with updated graphics? God, I have to quit thinking about it. What a bummer. frederickson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mw3W8.58073$[email hidden]...

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Yeah, c'mon, drop this door to door, fender rubbing exciting stuff. We want really fast cars that do hot lap after hot lap with no passing. What are you waiting on papy? The market for it is so big. Can't you see. There are so many more Open wheel fans in this country than nascar fans. Get real pal. "jackie_chan_fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lM1W8.73090$[email hidden]... > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:581W8.398$[email hidden]... > > >"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come upwith > a > > > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim tobe

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Why? Would you rather drivers not learn to run clean lines? "Mr. B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03...

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> How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during > multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the > cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into > real sim racers. > > Mr. B > > > "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]... > > OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... > > > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with

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>"Card" <[email hidden]> wrote > But...It does sound good doesn't it! After watching those in-car shotsfrom > the CART race today all I could think about was Papyrus making a new > CART/INDY program with tracks I really enjoyed driving. Oh well. (Kind of > sad when ya think about it). Yes, we can always dream :) But hey, don't we have Icr2 now? Since CART cars now use anti-wheel spin techniques, Icr2 is pretty realistic except for wheel locking! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote > I was unaware of this. If Papy are now stuck doing N(Year(Now)+1) because > that is what brings in the moolay, then surely they could employee a few > more people, to take the previous version of their engine, and convert itto > a series such as open-wheel (insert here which formulae). Sierra made them do the exact opposite not long ago. They cut back on their staff at Papyrus and kicked out many people, probably (speculatively) working on secondary projects. > get me driftin' ? c'mon papy, if it aint cost effective or whatever, justbe > nice to know why and what your plans are of late. The value of money is unfortunately more valuable to survive than the value of the pleasures of the world. :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

That's what testing sessions are for. There should be a "swift kick to the testes" button for people who try and learn tracks online. Jason On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:16:59 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why? Would you rather drivers not learn to run clean lines? > >"Mr. B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03... >> How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during >> multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the >> cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into >> real sim racers. >> >> Mr. B >> >> >> "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]... >> > OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... >> > >> > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up with >a >> > coupla patches... where are we going to hear what exactly they aim to be >> > working on now? Surely work must have started on something even if they >> > arn't too near a press release type situation. >> > >> > What is the something?! go aun... giz us a cloo :-) >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >

"Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> writes: > Yeah, c'mon, drop this door to door, fender rubbing exciting stuff. We want > really fast cars that do hot lap after hot lap with no passing. What are > you waiting on papy? The market for it is so big. Can't you see. There > are so many more Open wheel fans in this country than nascar fans. Actually, you can't watch Nascar at all in this country. Plenty of F1 coverage, though. I think the fan base is similar. -- -asbjxrn

I agree but I'd rather have a guy trying to run the proper line than one that doesn't. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That's what testing sessions are for. > > There should be a "swift kick to the testes" button for people who try > and learn tracks online. > > Jason > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:16:59 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Why? Would you rather drivers not learn to run clean lines? > > > >"Mr. B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03... > >> How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during > >> multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the > >> cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players

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NR2003. I have no illusions there will be anything less, or anything more. I think the wishes for an Open-Wheel from them are pretty much dead :( And that's a damned shame, because the have the technology to do it better than anyone else. -Larry "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]...

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I watched both the Cart and IRL races yesterday. I thought the CART race was more interesting, to a certain degree, mainly because there was no way to tell what sort of foolishness was going to happen next. I thought that one dude was going to bean that rookie right on the head with his helmet :) Then, the Rookie who caused the wreck gets "Evicted" from the race for making a mistake? CART is a tough crowd. Oh, and let's not forget the "We'll modify the rules and punish someone, even after they asked about it just before the race" rule making. Overall, I found the IRL race more enjoyable. -Larry "Card" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Does Indy Car Racing 2 run under Windows XP ? -Larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PI7W8.643$[email hidden]... > >"Card" <[email hidden]> wrote > > But...It does sound good doesn't it! After watching those in-car shots > from > > the CART race today all I could think about was Papyrus making a new > > CART/INDY program with tracks I really enjoyed driving. Oh well. (Kindof

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Yeah, I use it at little raced tracks, like Road Courses or ovals that are new to me. Mainly for the braking points. -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dA6W8.34761$[email hidden]...

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> Why? Would you rather drivers not learn to run clean lines? > > "Mr. B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03... > > How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during > > multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the > > cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into > > real sim racers. > > > > Mr. B > > > > > > "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aga6k8$dhs$[email hidden]... > > > OK throwing the floodgates wide open now... > > > > > > Papy have had N2002 out the door now for quite awhile, and come up

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Larry (The Other Larry) wrote: > I thought that one dude was going to bean that rookie right on the head with > his helmet :) That was funny as hell. I was just waiting to see Bruno pull him out of the car & whoop him. I don't blame him, under those circumstances I'd be pretty pissed too. > > Then, the Rookie who caused the wreck gets "Evicted" from the race for > making a mistake? > > CART is a tough crowd. It was quite a stupid mistake that could have gotten others seriously injured. It's not the first time he's pulled this kind of stunt either. Listening to Pat Patrick's comments, he may not have a job as a driver too much longer. -- Fester

elrikk wrote: > > Sorry about that typo. With you having such an obviously Nordic name, Goy > Larsen, I of course intended to type "from Up Over". Well, at least you didn't think I was from Sweden .... :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Norway or Australia? Whats the difference? if you fold the map over they > are practically next door neighbors. Weren't they both :) former English > prison settlements??? > (ducking) > dave henrie LOL Actually, we used to pillage England when we had nothing better to do, like pillaging France, of course this was 1000 years ago and our military strength might have dwindled a bit since then...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

>"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote > Does Indy Car Racing 2 run under Windows XP ? Mine runs, but since I use an USB joystick I can't drive it anymore. I also don't have any sound. It's a pity, because I still raced Icr2 quite often. I liked the way the cars acted. I could do anything with those cars, because of how long I've been racing the sim. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I don't know where it is on the car, but it would have been funny as hell if all Bruno did was pull the e switch (that shuts off the car immediatly) and left him there. -Stuart Becktell "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Larry (The Other Larry) wrote: > > > I thought that one dude was going to bean that rookie right on the headwith

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> > his helmet :) > > > That was funny as hell. I was just waiting to see Bruno pull him out of > the car & whoop him. I don't blame him, under those circumstances I'd > be pretty pissed too. > > > > > Then, the Rookie who caused the wreck gets "Evicted" from the race for > > making a mistake? > > > > CART is a tough crowd. > > > It was quite a stupid mistake that could have gotten others seriously > injured. It's not the first time he's pulled this kind of stunt either. > Listening to Pat Patrick's comments, he may not have a job as a driver > too much longer. > > -- > > Fester > > >

"ymenard" wrote... > > <snip> > Mine runs, but since I use an USB joystick I can't drive it > anymore. I also don't have any sound. It's a pity, because > I still raced Icr2 quite often. I liked the way the cars > acted. I could do anything with those cars, because of how > long I've been racing the sim. Strange Frank... it works with my MOMO on Win98 (USB as well). No FF, obviously and I did have some trouble getting sound from my "new" (i.e. bought after ICR2) PCI512 soundcard. Don't remember how I fixed that in the end. Revisiting the game brought home a couple of things to me. Firstly, what an amazing game it was for it's day. Secondly, how sofisticated the driving model is in what, nowadays, are deemed "less serious" similations compared to this nearly 6-year old effort. Thirdly, how much of an FF-junkie I've become. Difficult to imagine I once mastered ICR2, could run 100% races without making mistakes and catch slides. Now it just doesn't "talk to me" anymore because it's not talking through my arms. Going back to CPR with a faster computer and an FF wheel was an even bigger disappointment to me. We really need someone to pick up on this type of racing. Would the mid to late 90's CART heydays also be inaccessible due to licencing issues? Jan. =---

>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > Strange Frank... it works with my MOMO on Win98 (USB as well). No FF, > obviously and I did have some trouble getting sound from my "new" (i.e. > bought after ICR2) PCI512 soundcard. Don't remember how I fixed that inthe > end. I guess you race the Windows version of Icr2 (you know... CART Racing)?. I have the original, and best GUI ever, DOS version. > Revisiting the game brought home a couple of things to me. Firstly, whatan > amazing game it was for it's day. Secondly, how sofisticated the driving > model is in what, nowadays, are deemed "less serious" similations compared > to this nearly 6-year old effort. Thirdly, how much of an FF-junkie I've > become. Difficult to imagine I once mastered ICR2, could run 100% races > without making mistakes and catch slides. Now it just doesn't "talk to me" > anymore because it's not talking through my arms. True, true ;) Icr2 is still almost exactly the same as Icr1. If you ever find a copy of the original Indycar Racing, you'll find that the similarities are incredible. It's like GP3-->GP4 in terms of ressemblance. So that's even more incredible, the fact that a decade old simulation is still playable and entertaining. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" wrote... > ><snip> > I guess you race the Windows version of Icr2 (you know... > CART Racing)?. I have the original, and best GUI ever, > DOS version. I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2.

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I still own ICR1... haven't installed it in ages though. > So that's even more incredible, the fact that a decade old > simulation is still playable and entertaining. Really good games/sims never lose their appeal. Jan. =---

I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2. I still own ICR1... haven't installed it in ages though. Really good games/sims never lose their appeal. Jan. =---

>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2. Well like you said you used Windows 98 as an OS, not XP. Unfortunately, XP is a completely new beast even if you run it in compatibility mode. Icr2 worked perfectly for me in DOS back in Win98SE also :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:49:23 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Icr2 is still almost exactly the same as Icr1. If you ever find a copy of >the original Indycar Racing, you'll find that the similarities are >incredible. It's like GP3-->GP4 in terms of ressemblance. So that's even >more incredible, the fact that a decade old simulation is still playable and >entertaining. I have to disagree. First, in the eye candy department, you went from 320x200x8bitx15Hz to 640x480x8bitx30Hz (for all machines). Rendition 3D users got amazing 16bit color with anti-aliasing and faster frame rate (in Turbo mode). Also, NASCAR 1 had a more sophisticated physics model (than ICR1), which was carried over to ICR2/CART. I was able to successfully drive ICR1 using just button inputs for throttle and brake. For N1, ICR2 and later, you had to have real analog throttle and brake input. So concludes our trip down memory lane... :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Stuart Becktell wrote: > I don't know where it is on the car, but it would have been funny as hell if > all Bruno did was pull the e switch (that shuts off the car immediatly) and > left him there. LOL! That would have been a fine worth paying. :-) -- Fester

>"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote > I have to disagree. First, in the eye candy department, you went > from 320x200x8bitx15Hz to 640x480x8bitx30Hz (for all machines). That's the main thing. Papyrus went from VGA to SVGA.. Oooooh (took them 4 years to do that). The track files are the same, really they are 90% the same except for some added objects. All the road tracks are the same model. > Rendition 3D users got amazing 16bit color with anti-aliasing and > faster frame rate (in Turbo mode). Originally Icr2 did not have that, it was only added as an extra. > Also, NASCAR 1 had a more sophisticated physics model (than ICR1), > which was carried over to ICR2/CART. I was able to successfully drive > ICR1 using just button inputs for throttle and brake. For N1, ICR2 > and later, you had to have real analog throttle and brake input. ??? Icr1 used analogue braking, and heck even with NR2002 drivers are able to successfully drive with just button inputs for throttle and brake. Icr1 and every early Papyrus title (even include Indianapolis 500 : The Simulation) also shared a very common base game engine, all the way to Nascar Racing 3 and Nascar Legends. Load Icr2 in VGA, then load Icr1. You'll see that it's very much a similar title, but with some tweaks here and there. Like I wrote, the same gap as let's say GP3 and GP4. I've never said it was a bad thing. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s9iW8.36334$%%[email hidden]... > I watched both the Cart and IRL races yesterday. I thought the CART race > was more interesting, to a certain degree, mainly because there was no way > to tell what sort of foolishness was going to happen next. > > I thought that one dude was going to bean that rookie right on the headwith

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> his helmet :) > > Then, the Rookie who caused the wreck gets "Evicted" from the race for > making a mistake? > > CART is a tough crowd. > > Oh, and let's not forget the "We'll modify the rules and punish someone, > even after they asked about it just before the race" rule making. > > Overall, I found the IRL race more enjoyable. > > -Larry >

And yet it's the IRL that can take a clearly stated rule, and completely ignore it to alter the outcome of a race. The IRL rulebook used to state, until after the Indy 500 that is, that racing will continue UNTIL the Yellow flag/lights are displayed. Since the Team Kool Green owner proved, at great cost, that his driver Paul Tracey had indeed completed the pass BEFORE the yellow lights were on, The child of satan ignored his own rules and created a new interpretation AFTER THE FACT: Racing now ceases when they DECIDE to throw a yellow. So whatever happens on track between the time they say 'lets display a yellow, and however long it takes them to pickup the flag and wave it...is irrelevant. If I were a Canadien citizen, I might think of filing some sort of bias lawsuit. And Team Kool Green should pursue this further...if only to stick 'he who shall remane nameless' with a big legal bill. dave henrie

Bummer :( Hey! I just got an idea! If I rememer right, ICR2 ran pretty good on a 450MHz PIII machine. And I have that old GamePort version of the MSFFW. Maybe I'll take PartitionMagic and steal away 1GB from my Terminal Server machine, and install Win98 on it just for these old SIMS. -Larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pumW8.995$[email hidden]... > >"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Does Indy Car Racing 2 run under Windows XP ? > > > Mine runs, but since I use an USB joystick I can't drive it anymore. Ialso > don't have any sound. It's a pity, because I still raced Icr2 quiteoften.

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> I liked the way the cars acted. I could do anything with those cars, > because of how long I've been racing the sim. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >It was quite a stupid mistake that could have gotten others seriously >injured. It's not the first time he's pulled this kind of stunt either. > Listening to Pat Patrick's comments, he may not have a job as a driver >too much longer. Yeah, I was VERY surprised to hear Pat 'hang him out to dry' like that... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <DuBW8.337850$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> And yet it's the IRL that can take a clearly stated rule, and completely >ignore it to alter the outcome of a race. The IRL rulebook used to state, >until after the Indy 500 that is, that racing will continue UNTIL the Yellow >flag/lights are displayed. Since the Team Kool Green owner proved, at great >cost, that his driver Paul Tracey had indeed completed the pass BEFORE the >yellow lights were on, The child of satan ignored his own rules and created >a new interpretation AFTER THE FACT: Racing now ceases when they DECIDE to >throw a yellow.

Oh damn - I hadn't heard that(proof of the pass). I thought the yellow came on before the pass was complete. Therefore Helio won. If that's NOT the case, then that was a screwed up decision. I wanted Helio to win, but Tracy should have been given the victory. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03>, "Mr. B" <[email hidden]> writes: >How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during >multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the >cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into >real sim racers. > So what's wrong with letting people use the 'ideal racing line' setting? Give me something better than "It's arcade shite..." Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I can only assume people want it off so they can get some edge at a new track for a few laps. It does nothing more than help a person run the best way around the track which is what you should want from everyone in a race. the better everyone can drive the better the race will be. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <kA1W8.114793$Uu2.21185@sccrnsc03>, "Mr. B" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >How about a patch to turn OFF that damn "ideal racing line" during > >multiplayer events (you know, like the one where an admin can force the > >cockpit view). It might just turn some of those video game players into > >real sim racers. > > > > So what's wrong with letting people use the 'ideal racing line' setting?

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> me something better than "It's arcade shite..." > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> So what's wrong with letting people use the 'ideal racing line' setting?Give > me something better than "It's arcade shite..." > > Eldred > --Well, for one thing, it doesn't do anything for the old 'immersion factor'. We are pretending to be real race drivers here.....

Well when you consider the fact that real drivers can walk the track and many do on a new track I think it's a valid item. If you don't like it you can turn it off. I'm sure some think DW track talks are unfair too, we wouldn't want people learning the right way around a track now would we ;) "Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gLfX8.482375$cQ3.40803@sccrnsc01...

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> > So what's wrong with letting people use the 'ideal racing line' setting? > Give > > me something better than "It's arcade shite..." > > > > Eldred > > -- > Well, for one thing, it doesn't do anything for the old 'immersion

factor'. > We are pretending to be real race drivers here..... > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ZFqW8.1364$[email hidden]>... > >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2. > > Well like you said you used Windows 98 as an OS, not XP. Unfortunately, XP > is a completely new beast even if you run it in compatibility mode. Icr2 > worked perfectly for me in DOS back in Win98SE also :( Go here and get the VDM Sound Program, it's for Windows XP and will allow you to run DOS based games will full sound support and also full wheel support, including USB wheels. I've tried it with the Dos version of ICR2, and it works perfectly with my home edition of Win XP. It does not work with Win95/98. http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/ The Jet

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ZFqW8.1364$[email hidden]>... > >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2. > > Well like you said you used Windows 98 as an OS, not XP. Unfortunately, XP > is a completely new beast even if you run it in compatibility mode. Icr2 > worked perfectly for me in DOS back in Win98SE also :( Go here and get the VDM Sound Program, it's for Windows XP and will allow you to run DOS based games will full sound support and also full wheel support, including USB wheels. I've tried it with the Dos version of ICR2, and it works perfectly with my home edition of Win XP. It does not work with Win95/98. http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/ The Jet

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ZFqW8.1364$[email hidden]>... > >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I use the dos version as well, patched to v1.0.2. > > Well like you said you used Windows 98 as an OS, not XP. Unfortunately, XP > is a completely new beast even if you run it in compatibility mode. Icr2 > worked perfectly for me in DOS back in Win98SE also :( Go here and get the VDM Sound Program, it's for Windows XP and will allow you to run DOS based games will full sound support and also full wheel support, including USB wheels. I've tried it with the Dos version of ICR2, and it works perfectly with my home edition of Win XP. It does not work with Win95/98. http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/ The Jet

With our identically dented rear-ends... :) -Larry "Peter Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gLfX8.482375$cQ3.40803@sccrnsc01...

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> > So what's wrong with letting people use the 'ideal racing line' setting? > Give > > me something better than "It's arcade shite..." > > > > Eldred > > -- > Well, for one thing, it doesn't do anything for the old 'immersion

factor'. > We are pretending to be real race drivers here..... > >

In article <KpdX8.36276$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> writes: >I can only assume people want it off so they can get some edge at a new >track for a few laps. >It does nothing more than help a person run the best way around the track >which is what you should want from everyone in a race. the better everyone >can drive the better the race will be Yeah, I would think it can only HELP... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.