Why not a rally sim?

Once again I saw some clips from the WRC on the TV. Preparations for the African Rally. They are running on dirt road - if you can call what they're driving on a road. They cross small rivers without bridges. Sometimes rain has washed most of the road away. Lions and goats may cross the road. A goat might not sound too threathening, but I assure you that wildlife on the road is no fun. I have gone offroad twice because of reindeers deciding to use the road (grew up in the northern part of Norway). And I was doing at maximum half the speed of the rally drivers. On other stages, there are spectators just inches from the road, sometimes even on the road. I do not understand why this kind of motorsport is allowed. It seems just too dangerous. It probably is more dangerous than rush hour in Rome, Italy <g> These drivers drives under any condition: Dry tarmac, dirt, rain and snow. There are no run off areas. Go off road, and you risk hitting a tree, running off a cliff, hitting a lot of spectators etc. They do not drive as fast as Nascar, Cart and F1 drivers, but who cares. They drive as fast as they dare, and as fast as the circumstances allows them to do. If they drive any faster than the latter, the risk of somebody getting injured is high. Pit strategy is not very important when rallying. Just make sure that the damage done to your car during race can be fixed within the pit time available between the stages. A rally sim would be fun even offline, as opposed to Nascar sims and F1 sims. In rally, you're competing primarily against yourself. Online, a rally sim could separate the naturals like Greger Huttu from the rest of us immediately. A random track generator would ensure that the natural skills of the driver becomes more important than thousands and thousands of hours of training to get just one turn right. You don't even need a random track generator. All you need is some random surface condition generator. Every track would be an equivalent of your first experience at N�rburgring in GPL. Hmmmm.... Why would I want a random track generator? I'm no natural. I need insane hours of practise. A rally sim with a random track generator would probably make me the Eldred Pickett of Rally Sims <g> I tried the demo of Rally Trophy. It had the right "feel", but was nevertheless too arcadish. You could go offroad without loosing too much time, or getting too much damage. In fact, the damage model was only visual. I don't know if this was fixed in the full game, 'cause I never found the full game in the shops :-(( RC 2000 had potential. I found myself lifting off the throttle even on straights, because the feel of speed was so intense - as it should be, running at 100 mph. On the other hand, I was a little dissappoited by the huge amount of grip, even on gravel & snow, but I guess this is because a rally car isn't an ordinary race car. Another issue was the lack of weight. Maybe this too is a real feature of a rally car - it handles so much better than a road car that you think it doesn't carry any weight at all? But I don't think so. You feel the car's weight in GPL, even though these cars are considerably lighter. GPL physics, and RC 2000 concept = Killer Combo. Papy has the know how. We know that they are the number 1 physics modellers around. They even know how to implement decent online capabilities. All they have to do is to incorporate N4/N2002/GPL physics into a much more bumpy road. Sadly, Papy probably won't do this. Rally fans are too few. The biggest market for game developers is the USA. How many citizens of USA knows about rallying? I guess rallying is just as big in USA as baseball is in Europe :-( Jon Andersen, GPL addict, in spite of preferring rallying

Well, rally drivers will probably feel much safer as long as the F#)�()(ING audience doesnt try to go out on the road and touch the car. I mean, wtf are people thinking? and parking their cars along the rallytrack. Is there some braindamage behind their decisions or what?. They are the people who are ruin this sport dangerously. As we have seen lots of times this years, lots of stages have been cancelled cause of this. Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks from RC2000 i will be happy.

"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) > so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks from > RC2000 i will be happy. that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:02:42 GMT, "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) !!!!! URL? Jason

On 12 Jul 2002 01:50:00 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > >> Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) >> so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks from >> RC2000 i will be happy. > >that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks.

Afaik the RC2000 tracks are RL.. Andre

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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> On 12 Jul 2002 01:50:00 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > >> Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) > >> so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks from > >> RC2000 i will be happy. > > > >that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks. > > Afaik the RC2000 tracks are RL..

oh. ok. my bad, then. but they're just english countryside aren't they? what we really need is a rally sim with the RL WRC-tracks. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote on 12 Jul 2002: > that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks. Eh? The ones in RC are real tracks. -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

http://www.activescore.com/cgi-bin/rally/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Re ad&BID=4&TID=4630&SID=27811 "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:02:42 GMT, "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) > > !!!!! > > URL? > > Jason

They use real life tracks. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) > > so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks from > > RC2000 i will be happy. > > that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks. > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

I guess there are no WRC-tracks since its not a WRC-simulation? "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: > > On 12 Jul 2002 01:50:00 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > >"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > >> Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) > > >> so i just hope they sort the physics out, and let us use the tracks

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> > >> RC2000 i will be happy. > > > > > >that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they use RL tracks. > > > > Afaik the RC2000 tracks are RL.. > > oh. ok. my bad, then. but they're just english countryside aren't > they? what we really need is a rally sim with the RL WRC-tracks. :)

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Sweet, thanks. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:39:38 GMT, "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>http://www.activescore.com/cgi-bin/rally/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Re >ad&BID=4&TID=4630&SID=27811 > >"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:02:42 GMT, "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) >> >> !!!!! >> >> URL? >> >> Jason > >

Sweet, thanks.

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>http://www.activescore.com/cgi-bin/rally/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?ac... >ad&BID=4&TID=4630&SID=27811 >> >Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally game now!! :) >> !!!!! >> URL? >> Jason

Rallying is getting better here in the US. Since I started going to rallies in 93, a spectator spot would have 20 people max, now you get 50 or so people at every possible spot to spectate and 100 at each official spectating point. We get a total of a few thousand each event and about 80 cars entered. (Highest was last years Maine where they could only take 131 entries, and the lowest was Sno*Drift with 70) and games like Colin McRae Rally, RC2K, WRC, etc. are really increasing awareness. When I tell people I go to rallies, they know right what it is and say "cool! Where do they have them?" It's just a matter now of getting them out into the woods! :) If you check out my STPR 2002 clips (http://www.runnyegg.com then click on my name, then STPR 2002) you'll see, especially from the stuff on stage 6, that there's quite a few ppl around. And the intersection on Stage 6 wasn't even an official spot. Thanks, Alex

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:02:09 +0200, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sadly, Papy probably won't do this. Rally fans are too few. The biggest >market for game developers is the USA. How many citizens of USA knows about >rallying? I guess rallying is just as big in USA as baseball is in Europe >:-( >Well, around here (Peru, and may I say, the rest of South America) rally is very popular. Probably many would like to be able to drive, f.ex., Ferreyros' Mistsubishi Lancer Evolution VII in MoviStar colors... (I'm talking about Group N, in case you're wondering) -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

magnetic fields ??? aren't they ..err...ahem....gone ? surprised to read about them still around wonder why they did not do Rally Xtreme project which was done by that dog of company Warthog really spoilt the game "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Btw, Magnetic Fields are doing a new rally gamenow!! :) > > so i just hope they sort the physics out, and letus use the tracks from > > RC2000 i will be happy. > > that's a strange thing to hope for. I hope they useRL tracks. > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1BDoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > "a poster is a human being or thesoftware equivalent"

A group of Bolivian guys in the DC Area just found out about rally in America and tried to enter 12 cars they brought over, but only 2 were up to US spec, but they brought tons of people, and just about doubled the amount of women at the rally...I was thinking of trying to use my great Spanish 1 to get somewhere with the ladies ;) Anyway, here in the US we have factory involvement from 4 teams. Subaru has 2 pro drivers who do this as a living, same with Hyundai. Mitsubishi has an EVO VII entered with Millen, but he started the program, so I don't know if he makes a profit from that or selling parts, and Lauchlin O'Sullivan drives the Group 2 car but I'm not sure about him either. Eric Burmeister is the last guy who has factory support for Mazda. I don't believe it's his living, but he does get good factory support (At least I think :)) Thanks, Alex "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:02:09 +0200, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Sadly, Papy probably won't do this. Rally fans are too few. The biggest > >market for game developers is the USA. How many citizens of USA knowsabout > >rallying? I guess rallying is just as big in USA as baseball is in Europe > >:-( > > > Well, around here (Peru, and may I say, the rest of South America) rallyis very > popular. Probably many would like to be able to drive, f.ex., Ferreyros' > Mistsubishi Lancer Evolution VII in MoviStar colors... (I'm talking aboutGroup

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> N, in case you're wondering) > > -- > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > '-_____|( > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote in > oh. ok. my bad, then. but they're just english countryside aren't > they? what we really need is a rally sim with the RL WRC-tracks. :) No, they're Welsh and Scottish countryside also, cheers John