WRL<insert 5 minutes of cartoon like laughing>

I would have laughed my ass off for a lot longer than that if i wasn't quite sad cause as far as i can see this means the definate end of WSC and i have serious doubts WRL will ever see the light of day... The west bros were born with a liking for the right type of sim...a gift to programm a sim like that...but such a complete lack of being in touch with the 'real' world, meaning actually getting a game into the shops..i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day.

"willem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I would have laughed my ass off for a lot longer than that if i wasn't > quite sad cause as far as i can see this means the definate end of WSC > and i have serious doubts WRL will ever see the light of day... > The west bros were born with a liking for the right type of sim...a > gift to programm a sim like that...but such a complete lack of being > in touch with the 'real' world, meaning actually getting a game into > the shops..i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of > day.

....ok /Borchers

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> I would have laughed my ass off for a lot longer than that if i wasn't > quite sad cause as far as i can see this means the definate end of WSC > and i have serious doubts WRL will ever see the light of day... > The west bros were born with a liking for the right type of sim...a > gift to programm a sim like that...but such a complete lack of being > in touch with the 'real' world, meaning actually getting a game into > the shops..i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of > day.

It is amazing how this announcement has stirred such extremes. I would have described it to the closest we have got to some _serious_ considerations of getting an enthusiast group together (such as ras) to fund a hardcore simulator, as there was no other likely way of it happening. The "real world" prevents Papyrus from producing another title of milestone proportion like GPL. It would also appear to have prevented WSC. Breaking away from the traditional developer/publisher environment seems the only route to creating a genuine leap forward for us "hardcore" guys. I would suggest ras is closest to influencing the Wests project than any other professional development. I would also have thought ras as a collective group would be welcoming the chance to be involved with this project and support the Wests. They have a lot more to lose than we do. I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list come purchase time. Tony

"willem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >actually getting a game into the shops.. You clearly dont understand the conecpt at all. This title will never BE in any shop. Consider X-Plane. One man, 10,000 users, 1200 3rd party addons. This business model works -it's proven to do so - and I look forward to you swallowing your words in a few months time Doug

I'm mot dismissing it as a joke. I just have serious doubts about this... The cost of developing a sim is tremendous...that is if you want to have normal developing time... There's no way 2 guys can do that in a "short" period.....which along with finding a publisher has probably killed WSC..if you go to slow you'll always be way behind the 'cutting' edge of technology...and that cutting is edge is what the gaming industry runs on...freaking eye candy...it won't work if you work yer ass off for a year creating 256 colour bitmaps only to have 16bit and larger formats come along so you have to redo the entire thing. You need a good team...which costs loads of cash.. And a 'sponsor' won't cut it in my opinion. I've seen all the WSC clips...drooled over them..the same with WRL...the concept is great but if it actually has chance..i don't think so. The W bros should find themselves a good developer to work at...like papyrus..so their work actually gets out to us. D.K might be stuck at doing nothing but nascar games right now but i'm sure he'll manage to squeeze out something else in the future.. Anyways...i do hope they get this thing off the ground and on the shelves.. On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:22:27 GMT, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It is amazing how this announcement has stirred such extremes. > >I would have described it to the closest we have got to some _serious_ >considerations of getting an enthusiast group together (such as ras) to >fund a hardcore simulator, as there was no other likely way of it >happening. > >The "real world" prevents Papyrus from producing another title of >milestone proportion like GPL. It would also appear to have prevented >WSC. Breaking away from the traditional developer/publisher environment >seems the only route to creating a genuine leap forward for us >"hardcore" guys. > >I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list >come purchase time. > >Tony >

Xplane is a serious flight sim very similar in concept to RL ..and thats done by one guy...why wouldnt 2 guys be better? dan "willem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm mot dismissing it as a joke. > I just have serious doubts about this... > The cost of developing a sim is tremendous...that is if you want to > have normal developing time... > There's no way 2 guys can do that in a "short" period.....which along > with finding a publisher has probably killed WSC..if you go to slow > you'll always be way behind the 'cutting' edge of technology...and > that cutting is edge is what the gaming industry runs on...freaking > eye candy...it won't work if you work yer ass off for a year creating > 256 colour bitmaps only to have 16bit and larger formats come along so > you have to redo the entire thing. > You need a good team...which costs loads of cash.. > And a 'sponsor' won't cut it in my opinion. > I've seen all the WSC clips...drooled over them..the same with > WRL...the concept is great but if it actually has chance..i don't > think so. > The W bros should find themselves a good developer to work at...like > papyrus..so their work actually gets out to us. > D.K might be stuck at doing nothing but nascar games right now but i'm > sure he'll manage to squeeze out something else in the future.. > Anyways...i do hope they get this thing off the ground and on the > shelves.. > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:22:27 GMT, "Tony Rickard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >It is amazing how this announcement has stirred such extremes. > > > >I would have described it to the closest we have got to some _serious_ > >considerations of getting an enthusiast group together (such as ras) to > >fund a hardcore simulator, as there was no other likely way of it > >happening. > > > >The "real world" prevents Papyrus from producing another title of > >milestone proportion like GPL. It would also appear to have prevented > >WSC. Breaking away from the traditional developer/publisher environment > >seems the only route to creating a genuine leap forward for us > >"hardcore" guys. > > > >I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list > >come purchase time. > > > >Tony > > >

Yes... I knew when i wrote just 'shop' i should have said "shop" instead...ggg:) X-plane has been going now for how many years?...10? And it's still a far cry from perfect...i have a few of friends who fly big birds in real life and none of them consider X-plane to be very good... AeroWinx 747-400 Precision Simulator is an example though that it can be done, as far as flightmodel and systems are concerned..the gfx engine is in principle non existant so he can focus on what really matters. I think that's from one guy aswell..or at least used to be one guy if i'm not mistaken, ...and it does cost a fortune. I know the concept can work... But after seeing how things went with WSC i just have some severe doubts the west guys are capable of the same thing.. And by the way...i'll be just as happy as you when i'll have to swallow my words, in a few months time no less. On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:06:53 +0100, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"willem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >>actually getting a game into the shops.. > >You clearly dont understand the conecpt at all. This title will never BE in >any shop. > >Consider X-Plane. One man, 10,000 users, 1200 3rd party addons. > >This business model works -it's proven to do so - and I look forward to you >swallowing your words in a few months time >Doug > >

> But after seeing how things went with WSCThat was a legal issue as they wanted to do this with the backing of a publisher. THey are now going alone - without a publisher. They have 100% control over the project themselves. Doug

"willem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yes... > > I knew when i wrote just 'shop' i should have said "shop" > instead...ggg:) > X-plane has been going now for how many years?...10? > And it's still a far cry from perfect...i have a few of friends who > fly big birds in real life and none of them consider X-plane to be > very good... > AeroWinx 747-400 Precision Simulator is an example though that it can > be done, as far as flightmodel and systems are concerned..the gfx > engine is in principle non existant so he can focus on what really > matters. I think that's from one guy aswell..or at least used to be > one guy if i'm not mistaken, ...and it does cost a fortune. > > I know the concept can work... > But after seeing how things went with WSC i just have some severe > doubts the west guys are capable of the same thing.. > And by the way...i'll be just as happy as you when i'll have to > swallow my words, in a few months time no less. >

But this is WSC, it's about a year since things went wrong with Empire there's no way they could've started from scratch to release it "later this year". Another clue is that on their webcam that were running WSC while the were starting the Racing Legends stuff, so they did still have the code even after they had parted with Empire.

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:7YUX8.2182$[email hidden]... > I would also have thought ras as a collective group would be welcoming > the chance to be involved with this project and support the Wests. They > have a lot more to lose than we do. Well said, Tony. I hope the Wests will succeed and ignore the cheap posters in this group. Bye, Leo

> > I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list > come purchase time. >Indeed. Why stop at banning us from purchasing the game ? Hell, why not get a law passed that will permit the government to completely strip away are civil liberties. Then we should be put in the Tower of London as an example to any other misguided individuals that may be contemplating posting any kind of doubtful remarks that concern computer games that haven't been made yet. Well said, Tony. What a guy.

"redTed" wrote: > > I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list > > come purchase time. > Indeed. Why stop at banning us from purchasing the game ? Hell, why not get alaw passed <snip> Nah - more like Welcome to the West's online purchasing store. Unfortunately you appear to have stumbled across the unwarranted extravagancy items page Please wait whilst you are automatically redirected to your preferred "Just Another Computer Game" Store... Obviously all remarks from me are obsessive, serious & humourless cos that is what "people like us" are like - thanks for pointing it out. Tony

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t4bY8.3095$[email hidden]...

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> "redTed" wrote: > > > > I hope those dismissing this as a joke find themselves on a banned list > > > come purchase time. > > > Indeed. Why stop at banning us from purchasing the game ? Hell, why not get a > law passed > <snip> > > Nah - more like > > Welcome to the West's online purchasing store. > Unfortunately you appear to have stumbled across the unwarranted extravagancy > items page > Please wait whilst you are automatically redirected to your preferred "Just > Another Computer Game" Store... > > Obviously all remarks from me are obsessive, serious & humourless cos that is > what "people like us" are like - thanks for pointing it out. >

S'alright. I'm glad I could actually make you see the funny side for once ;-) At least it proves me wrong that "people like you" are not humourless.

"redTed" > S'alright. I'm glad I could actually make you see the funny side for once ;-) > At least it proves me wrong that "people like you" are not humourless. Make me? Nobody makes me do anything. Apart from the wife of course, but that's not the point. Oh yeah, and the boss. The kids as well I suppose. John Simmons too - but everybody does what he says, so that doesn't count. I'm a law abiding soul so I would have to add the government, local councillors and the law enforcement services too. But apart from that (and probably a few others) I make my own mind up, ok? Your obedient servant Tony

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> Make me? Nobody makes me do anything. > > Apart from the wife of course, but that's not the point. Oh yeah, and the boss. > The kids as well I suppose. John Simmons too - but everybody does what he says, > so that doesn't count. I'm a law abiding soul so I would have to add the > government, local councillors and the law enforcement services too. But apart > from that (and probably a few others) I make my own mind up, ok? > > Your obedient servant >

It was all going swimmingly until you mentioned jsimmons. Shame

"redTed" wrote: > > > Make me? Nobody makes me do anything. > > > > Apart from the wife of course, but that's not the point. Oh yeah, and theboss. > > The kids as well I suppose. John Simmons too - but everybody does what hesays, > > so that doesn't count. I'm a law abiding soul so I would have to add the > > government, local councillors and the law enforcement services too. Butapart > > from that (and probably a few others) I make my own mind up, ok? > > > > Your obedient servant > > > It was all going swimmingly until you mentioned jsimmons. Shame Well with you as the target audience I guess I should have included an "Evil Grin" at this point :-)