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Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and regard it as a hoax? What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on VROC Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now they've escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to people about it. Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherall to start again to escape it? All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt be wasting my time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going to come out. So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into consideration that it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll posting about it. I'm talking about people like Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do all this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for stand-up comedy Doug

Doug,after reading all the threads on all the forums i would advise you to slow down and stop trying to defend the Wests and their project quite so much.I can see you're behind this 100% and it may be just a matter of time but for the last 48 hours all i seem to see is several Doubting Virus' spreading and Doug Anti-Virus trying his hardest to stop the flow. Hats off to the Wests if it all comes out anywhere near their targets,but hey Doug ward off the coronary long enough to enjoy it mate.:) Andy

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>snippage< > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother.

But you did anyway, cheers ! > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do all > this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > stand-up comedy What's the problem with having a few dissenters in your midst ? It's only a few ppl putting their opinions on the NG for all to debate. Some think it will appear to rapturous and overwhelming success and others think it won't. Not everyone is saying it's a hoax, but it sure could be. Stranger things have happened. Especially on the 'net. What evidence are you putting forward that would make me believe this game is being made and will be released ? Show me proof positive that it's being made and I swear I will never again cast doubt on the West's (don't they make tuna?) ever, ever again. This isn't trolling, it fair comment. If it upsets you so much to know that not everybody agrees with you view, just filter those offending people like jsimmons did.

It sounds so good they can't wait so they're in denial to be able to wait :) I think your post makes too much sense too, hehe. Thanks, Alex "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]...

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> Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > VROC > > Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now

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> escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing > > What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to people > about it. > > Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite > ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherall to > start again to escape it? > > All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt be wasting

my > time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going to come > out. > > So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into considerationthat

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> it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll posting about > it. > > I'm talking about people like > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. > > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do

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> this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > stand-up comedy > > Doug > >

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> Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > VROC

<snip> Agree 100% Doug. Maybe it is simply terminology. Do they really mean a hoax? - to deceive us into believing something that isn't true. I'm baffled by their motives in any scenario where that is the case. Sure some could point at the history of WSC and consider they could be over ambitious and not deliver, but a hoax? No way! Like I said in an earlier post I am simply amazed ras as a collective are not rejoicing in the split from Empire and a belief that the Wests can deliver for our niche group that the developer/publisher relationship could not. Tony

Doug, I can't believe that you can still be taking this unsupported position. So for the last time let me state my position as clearly as possible. 1- WSC was and still is vaporware. There is no sim nor playable demo. 2- The West Bros decided to sign a legal binding contract with Empire to produce WSC within a speficied period of time. They failed to do that, and finally Empire opted to terminate both of them. At this point there isn't any reason why they can't explain their position of the Empire affair. Yet there are those on RAS that still believe that the Wests just decided to leave Empire because of constraints on what they wanted to do within WSC. No one but the Wests and Empire know how much money was paid to the Wests to complete this project, but it's clear that Empire came out the big looser. What's more, the West Bros most likely were the ones that approached Empire, not the other way around. 3- We were promised a workable demo after E3 2001. No demo was released. E3 2002 came and went without WSC, a workable demo, or the West bros being at the Empire booth. 4- As for those fellow racers on VROC that actually drove a demo of WSC, from what I read they were impressed with the graphics of both the cars and the track. But the car didn't have a completed physics engine. I don't believe that they could actually steer the car. Not one of them ever wrote a review for all us to read and evailuate. Why, because the West Bros most likely asked them not to. 5-So, after more then two years we dedicated simmers have nothing to show for our faith or dedication to the Wests and WSC but egg on our virtual faces. Now we're asked to go blindly down the same path again. 6-I see no rational reason to change my position of scepticism, which is not a denial that the West Bros are working on a new sim based on WSC, rather that I doubt, based on the above that we will see workable demo, let alone a completed core sim by the end of the year, or worse, ever. Joel "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner till the time you brake for the next turn , then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donohue "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]...

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> Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > VROC > > Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now

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> escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing > > What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to people > about it. > > Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite > ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherall to > start again to escape it? > > All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt be wasting

my > time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going to come > out. > > So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into considerationthat

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> it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll posting about > it. > > I'm talking about people like > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. > > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do

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> this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > stand-up comedy > > Doug > >

"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote ............................................................................ ..... nothing to show > for our faith or dedication to the Wests and WSC but egg on our virtual > faces. LOL. There you go Joel, I knew you had it in 'ya!

............................................................................ ..... nothing to show LOL. There you go Joel, I knew you had it in 'ya!

Douglas Ellison wrote: > Why is it perfectly all right for you to take cheap shots anyone you feel like, yet it's a bad thing when others do it to someone/something you believe in ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Amen well said. "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_1ZX8.6856$[email hidden]... > Doug, > > I can't believe that you can still be taking this unsupportedposition.

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> So for the last time let me state my position as clearly as possible. > > 1- WSC was and still is vaporware. There is no sim nor playable demo. > > 2- The West Bros decided to sign a legal binding contract with Empire to > produce WSC within a speficied period of time. They failed to do that, and > finally Empire opted to terminate both of them. At this point there isn't > any reason why they can't explain their position of the Empire affair. Yet > there are those on RAS that still believe that the Wests just decided to > leave Empire because of constraints on what they wanted to do within WSC.

No > one but the Wests and Empire know how much money was paid to the Wests to > complete this project, but it's clear that Empire came out the big looser. > What's more, the West Bros most likely were the ones that approachedEmpire, > not the other way around. > > 3- We were promised a workable demo after E3 2001. No demo was released.E3 > 2002 came and went without WSC, a workable demo, or the West bros being at > the Empire booth. > > 4- As for those fellow racers on VROC that actually drove a demo of WSC, > from what I read they were impressed with the graphics of both the carsand > the track. But the car didn't have a completed physics engine. I don't > believe that they could actually steer the car. Not one of them ever wrotea

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> review for all us to read and evailuate. Why, because the West Bros most > likely asked them not to. > > 5-So, after more then two years we dedicated simmers have nothing to show > for our faith or dedication to the Wests and WSC but egg on our virtual > faces. Now we're asked to go blindly down the same path again. > > 6-I see no rational reason to change my position of scepticism, which is

not > a denial that the West Bros are working on a new sim based on WSC, rather > that I doubt, based on the above that we will see workable demo, let alonea > completed core sim by the end of the year, or worse, ever. > > Joel > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit acorner

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> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]... > > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > > regard it as a hoax? > > > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > > VROC > > > > Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now > they've > > escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing > > > > What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to

people > > about it. > > > > Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite > > ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherallto > > start again to escape it? > > > > All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt bewasting > my > > time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going tocome > > out. > > > > So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into consideration > that > > it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll postingabout

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> > it. > > > > I'm talking about people like > > > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. > > > > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do > all > > this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > > stand-up comedy > > > > Doug > > > > > >

RL has stemmed the flow of the GPL Tastes Great vs Less Filling posts. <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > Why is it perfectly all right for you to take cheap shots anyone you > feel like, yet it's a bad thing when others do it to someone/something > you believe in ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

LOL!! Hey Scott, you made me spray snot eveywhere! ;) "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> RL has stemmed the flow of the GPL Tastes Great vs Less Filling posts. > <VBG> > > -- > Scott B. Husted > "PA-Scott" > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc

"Pierre Robitaille" wrote... > LOL!! > Hey Scott, you made me spray snot > eveywhere! ;) Use a hankerchief for crying out loud!! -Ye gods... which stable did you grow up in? Jan. ;-)) =---

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > RL has stemmed the flow of the GPL Tastes Great vs Less Filling posts. > <VBG> So who kicked over the rock then ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Douglas Ellison) wrote: > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept > of RL and regard it as a hoax? The Wests could probably do with a bit more support and a bit less cheerleading. Andrew McP PS The problem for me is their site sells a concept, not a product. I wish them the very best of luck.

Hi Pierre <G> -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > LOL!! > Hey Scott, you made me spray snot eveywhere! ;) > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > RL has stemmed the flow of the GPL Tastes Great vs Less Filling posts. > > <VBG> > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > "PA-Scott" > > ICQ# 4395450 > > http://www.Husted.cc

Douglas Ellison schrieb: > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight from hell... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Douglas Ellison schrieb: > > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > > regard it as a hoax? > > You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan > about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight > from hell... >

You mean you weren't aware that Doug was "The One" ? Where have you been ?

I've barely said two words about WSC or WRL.......ever. I just never felt inclined to discuss something in detail that was so far away. It sounds to me like it will be a reality, and probably an excellent product, although there better be more to the core game then just one car and a couple of tracks for $100+. To be honest though, the lighter wise cracks about the game and it's future don't bother me a bit simply because the, "I've been supporting you Chris and Tony since you were writing code as fetuses, and everyone who hasn't should be kicked out of our little family---WE'VE shown them now, haven't WE?" posts are nauseating. I've read them here and at the WRL forum. If I were the West brothers I'd be getting a little freaked out by the way some people on the internet want to desperately attach themselves to the project and act like rock star groupies because they talked to them or corresponded with them through e-mail. Maybe they ought to consider hiring body guards. David G Fisher "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]... > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? >

Don't you have a Yugo rental car to test drive? <G> -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > RL has stemmed the flow of the GPL Tastes Great vs Less Filling posts. > > <VBG> > > So who kicked over the rock then ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

GP4 ? Straight from hell, well my copy of GP4 has 666 on the inside flap which certainly suggests something quite evil !!! lol People, People, People,, its amazing we all share a similar interest yet we get along so poorly... I say yipppie for Racing Legends, and if by some chance I never see it,, oh well.. I still have GPL ;-) Though I have this feeling in my bones I will see it and sooner then ya think *grin* cheers On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:56:23 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Douglas Ellison schrieb: >> Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and >> regard it as a hoax? > >You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan >about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight >from hell... > >-- >l8er >ronny > >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change >to take effect. Reboot now? >

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > Don't you have a Yugo rental car to test drive? <G> No, I got a FORD Mondeo this time around, and here I was thinking it couldn't get worse.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"David G Fisher" wrote: > To be honest though, the lighter wise cracks about the game and it's future > don't bother me a bit simply because the, "I've been supporting you Chris > and Tony since you were writing code as fetuses, and everyone who hasn't > should be kicked out of our little family---WE'VE shown them now, haven't > WE?" posts are nauseating. I've read them here and at the WRL forum. Well I guess you have rather been there before with the Ubisoft patch debacle. RAS can be pretty hostile to developers and those that have faith in them delivering the goods. Plus we often see rosey spectacles with other developer's methods. > If I were the West brothers I'd be getting a little freaked out by the way > some people on the internet want to desperately attach themselves to the > project and act like rock star groupies because they talked to them or > corresponded with them through e-mail. Maybe they ought to consider hiring > body guards. You have been fortunate to be involved with developers and become a beta tester. Some here (myself included) are hopeful that ras could be at least partly influential in this project, it seems a natural forum to work alongside a developer. However, we have seen developers been treated pretty badly in the past, (remember CPR?) so some of us are keen for it not to happen again. It probably is naive to think we could work as a collective group, though I would have thought we would have some common objectives. Rather than a dear Tony & Chris please add me to your beta team, please, please - I would prefer a more open beta program we can discuss on ras. By the sound of it this will be the case providing you pay for it. Which will probably fuel the not paying for something I haven't tried debate all over again! Ah well, ras is going to busy. Tony

<cobraCat427> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I say yipppie for Racing Legends, and if by some chance I never see > it,, oh well.. I still have GPL ;-) I think that pretty well sums up my feelings on the matter too! With 20/20 hindsight, I'd have easily paid �100 for GPL back in '99 if I'd known how much use I'd get out of it. That's not an easy thing to anticipate, though. Malc.

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> <snip> > I think that pretty well sums up my feelings on the > matter too! > > With 20/20 hindsight, I'd have easily paid �100 for > GPL back in '99 if I'd known how much use I'd get > out of it. That's not an easy thing to anticipate, > though.

I don't know. I knew I was on to something special the first time I fired up the demo. Perhaps our palet is more refined now, but this might work in WRL's favour if it's as good as claimed. Jan. =---

Because Doug this is the same tune they sung with WSC. Look I got on the WSC band wgaon big time when I felt dissappointed with Nascar 3 from Papy. I was so looking forward to the GPL physics in N3. But it never happened. So this WCS thing seemed someone at last was gonna do something worth while, and I waited patiently. Then nothing It not so much that WSC failed. It's the "nothing" from the West's that I have a problem with. It's more the lack of common decency that they are not even bothering to say...... sorry guys , thanks for your support but it (WSC) didn't work out but we are gonna have a go at something else. (WRL). Yes they going to have a go at this WRL. But it's the "nothing" after two or so years of patience that prompted me to take a wise crack. Nigel Douglas Ellison <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]...

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> Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > regard it as a hoax? > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > VROC > > Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now

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> escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing > > What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to people > about it. > > Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite > ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherall to > start again to escape it? > > All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt be wasting

my > time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going to come > out. > > So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into considerationthat

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> it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll posting about > it. > > I'm talking about people like > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. > > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do

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> this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > stand-up comedy > > Doug > >

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ndeY8.4810$[email hidden]... > Perhaps our palet is more refined now, but this might work in WRL's favour > if it's as good as claimed. Hope so. Been wrong before though. I bought 'Warm Up' ;-) I guess that beta tester's opinions will be an important factor for me. Malc.

>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan > about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight > from hell... You mean GP4 is not Satan's own personal F1 simulatOr? ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

><cobraCat427> wrote... > I say yipppie for Racing Legends, and if by some chance I never see > it,, oh well.. I still have GPL ;-) Well I kinda feel that way also. My interest has died, but there is still a heartbeat. It's why I won't pay a dime until the product is "100% A+ grade quality approved" by the community. You know, like GPL, NR2002 and now to a certain extent F1-2002. But for that the West Bros. have to show me something more then what they have done for the past 2.5 years. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5dnY8.334$[email hidden]... > >"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan > > about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's comingstraight > > from hell... > > > You mean GP4 is not Satan's own personal F1 simulatOr? ;-) > Nw, THAT would be an irl sim. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" wrote... > <snip> > > You mean GP4 is not Satan's own personal > > F1 simulatOr? ;-) > > > Nw, THAT would be an irl sim. LOL, didn't see that coming... Jan. =---

LOL, didn't see that coming... Jan. =---

I am rejoicing. :) Marc "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7ZYX8.2487$[email hidden]...

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> "Douglas Ellison" wrote: > > > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > > regard it as a hoax? > > > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > > VROC > <snip> > > Agree 100% Doug. > > Maybe it is simply terminology. Do they really mean a hoax? - to deceive

us into > believing something that isn't true. I'm baffled by their motives in any > scenario where that is the case. Sure some could point at the history ofWSC and > consider they could be over ambitious and not deliver, but a hoax? No way! > > Like I said in an earlier post I am simply amazed ras as a collective arenot > rejoicing in the split from Empire and a belief that the Wests can deliverfor > our niche group that the developer/publisher relationship could not. > > Tony > >

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Douglas Ellison schrieb: > > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > > regard it as a hoax? > > You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan > about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight > from hell...

Err. It's coming from a much worse place than hell. It's coming from the Crammond stable :-) MS

Yep!~ "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_1ZX8.6856$[email hidden]... > Doug, > > I can't believe that you can still be taking this unsupportedposition.

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> So for the last time let me state my position as clearly as possible. > > 1- WSC was and still is vaporware. There is no sim nor playable demo. > > 2- The West Bros decided to sign a legal binding contract with Empire to > produce WSC within a speficied period of time. They failed to do that, and > finally Empire opted to terminate both of them. At this point there isn't > any reason why they can't explain their position of the Empire affair. Yet > there are those on RAS that still believe that the Wests just decided to > leave Empire because of constraints on what they wanted to do within WSC.

No > one but the Wests and Empire know how much money was paid to the Wests to > complete this project, but it's clear that Empire came out the big looser. > What's more, the West Bros most likely were the ones that approachedEmpire, > not the other way around. > > 3- We were promised a workable demo after E3 2001. No demo was released.E3 > 2002 came and went without WSC, a workable demo, or the West bros being at > the Empire booth. > > 4- As for those fellow racers on VROC that actually drove a demo of WSC, > from what I read they were impressed with the graphics of both the carsand > the track. But the car didn't have a completed physics engine. I don't > believe that they could actually steer the car. Not one of them ever wrotea

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> review for all us to read and evailuate. Why, because the West Bros most > likely asked them not to. > > 5-So, after more then two years we dedicated simmers have nothing to show > for our faith or dedication to the Wests and WSC but egg on our virtual > faces. Now we're asked to go blindly down the same path again. > > 6-I see no rational reason to change my position of scepticism, which is

not > a denial that the West Bros are working on a new sim based on WSC, rather > that I doubt, based on the above that we will see workable demo, let alonea > completed core sim by the end of the year, or worse, ever. > > Joel > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit acorner

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> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:agpen5$nm0oc$[email hidden]... > > Why do so many people continue to ridicule the whole concept of RL and > > regard it as a hoax? > > > > What - exactly - would Chris and Tony gain from it? > > > > Why would people making hoax go to the extent of making a fully working > > graphics and sound engine that's been driven by people I've spoken to on > > VROC > > > > Why would they make a very nice website detailing the new plans now > they've > > escaped from Empire if it was all about nothing > > > > What possible reason would they have to go to goodwood and talk to

people > > about it. > > > > Why would they put every penny they have into this project and despite > > ending up stuck with a crap publisher - have the audacity and witherallto > > start again to escape it? > > > > All the evidence shows that they are making a title. I wouldnt bewasting > my > > time on future 3rd party addons for RL unless I KNEW it was going tocome > > out. > > > > So - what would the point be in a hoax - and taking into consideration > that > > it isnt ( fact ) - what's the point in ridiculing and troll postingabout

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> > it. > > > > I'm talking about people like > > > > Nigel Nichols "West Bros. Papy wannabe's" > > > > Alan Bernardo, "this is an elaborate hoax" > > > > Willem "i doubt anything they programm will ever see the light of day" > > > > Ben Daniels "This is the best 12th July joke ever" > > > > Joel Wilstein "Now where is your proof" > > > > Jon T "Promises , Promises.........." > > > > And of course - one could mention RedTed - but why bother. > > > > Do you guys REALLY believe this all to be a hoax? That someone would do > all > > this just for a laugh? I mean - WTF? I really dont understand it - so - > > please explain why you refuse to believe RL is being made and will be > > release. OR - is it just a joke - if so - dont giveup the day job for > > stand-up comedy > > > > Doug > > > > > >

ymenard schrieb:

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>>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote >>You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan >>about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming straight >>from hell... > > > > You mean GP4 is not Satan's own personal F1 simulatOr? ;-)

In some way, yes. I enjoy it so much, that I feel like a big sinner...the devil must be behind all that! ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

Dave Henrie schrieb:

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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5dnY8.334$[email hidden]... > >>>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote >>>You mean, it's really naughty to ridicule RL but okay to piss and moan >>>about GP4? It's not a perfect sim, but you acted like it's coming >> > straight > >>>from hell... >> >> >>You mean GP4 is not Satan's own personal F1 simulatOr? ;-) >> > > Nw, THAT would be an irl sim.

CART! Oooops, some key words triggered my AutomaticUsenetPoster (tm)... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3d30b193$[email hidden]: > Hi Pierre <G> Hi Scott, I'm still waiting for that FB2 reunion race to happen... ;) Cheers, -pierre

LOL - That would be fun. I think 75% of the roster no longer sim race though =( Hell, I hardly sim race anymore! When I do I have to dust my TSW2 Wheel. <G> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:3d30b193$[email hidden]: > > > Hi Pierre <G> > > Hi Scott, > > I'm still waiting for that FB2 reunion race to happen... ;) > > Cheers, > -pierre