Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundreds of
RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what it will
contain, and what it's main focus will be?
thanks.
dave(lazy)henrie
Summary request for the Racing Legends concept
Dave Henrie asked for a summary of Racing Legends' cost and content. The reported '1 unlicensed car, 1 unlicensed track, $150' sparked ridicule, while defenders stressed the included tools to build cars and tracks. Lee Ward and Mark Seery later said the one-car figure referred to the initial beta, citing the West FAQ.
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"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundreds of
> RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what it will
> contain, and what it's main focus will be?
> thanks.
> dave(lazy)henrie
This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
here ya go.......
http://www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=224&s=9ceb66f90d5a5
b5db6106c8f61c56aba
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> Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundreds of > RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what it will > contain, and what it's main focus will be? > thanks. > dave(lazy)henrie > >"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
> $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
Really??? Hmmm... Interest.... Dying....
Vennt.
"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d30dfa7$1_1@news2...
Well, there are some good sim's on the market and a few in the pipeline that
have great potential. 2 years ago that was not so much the case. The West's
don't have as much of a ground breaking product (concept) these days. We've
got:
F1-2002 (with FIA GT Mod 4 on the horizon)
NR2002
GPL
Rally Trophy
TOCA Race Driver (August)
Colin McRae Rally 3 (September)
There are more. These are just my (current and possibly future) preferences.
As much as I have been excited about WSC/RL - I have to say I'm not too
confident about RL's success. If the hardcore sim'ers all pitch in the $150 and
things don't work out for the West's what then? Apparently they've been working
on this title for a year and have no licensing yet. What makes us think that
this will change when we put our money in their pockets? Don't get me wrong,
I'd pay US$200+ for a finished product that lives up to the hype. At this point
though I'm not ready to throw in US$150 to beta test 1 car and 1 track with no
assurances that I'll ever see anything else...
- David Cook
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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XO4Y8.184436$Uu2.41221@sccrnsc03... > > Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundreds of > > RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what it will > > contain, and what it's main focus will be? > > thanks. > > dave(lazy)henrie > > This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:XO4Y8.184436$Uu2.41221@sccrnsc03...
> > Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundredsof
> > RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what itwill
Bloody hell, how much will it cost to buy enough cars for a full grid and
enough tracks for a season.
The Wests obviously believe in the old saying ' There's a sucker born every
minute'
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> > contain, and what it's main focus will be? > > thanks. > > dave(lazy)henrie > > This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? >In article <3d30dfa7$1_1@news2>,
"Internet User" <[email hidden]> writes:
>
>This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
>$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
>
What the hell will be included in the demo? One track and a bicycle, or one
car and 20 meters of track?
Don McCorkle
Idiot !
MS
>
> This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
> $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
>
>
"Tony" wrote...
> <snip>
> Bloody hell, how much will it cost to buy enough cars for
> a full grid and enough tracks for a season.
You can have a full grid of the same car, for one. Then there's also the
matter of the tools for creating tracks and cars shipping with the game,
which, no doubt (if it all materialises) will lead to home made versions
appearing on the net. Obviously those would differ in quality, but that's no
different from the current situation with GPL, Heat or EA's F1 series.
So, hypothetically, there would be a choice between buying the official,
licenced (read: authenticated) product or the free "gestimate".
> The Wests obviously believe in the old saying ' There's a
> sucker born every minute'
Once again, why are people who say "Great idea, best of luck with that." or
"what can I do to help?" suckers?
Jan.
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"Mark Seery" wrote...
> Idiot !
EZ Mark, there's no point in the two of us losing our temper in public....
Jan. ;-)
=---
jason moyer wrote:
<raises hand>
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > >$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > There are people pay $50 for NASCAR sims to drive 1 car on 2 tracks.On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
>$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
There are people pay $50 for NASCAR sims to drive 1 car on 2 tracks.
Jason
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:40:24 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>F1-2002 (with FIA GT Mod 4 on the horizon)
>NR2002
>GPL
Fantastic simulations all.
>Rally Trophy
One of my favorite games, but I'm not convinced that it actually does
physical modelling of the parts of the car. I'm guessing it's a
"simulation of a simulation" as most racers are.
>TOCA Race Driver (August)
>Colin McRae Rally 3 (September)
I expect nothing from these games. Nothing. Codemasters has yet to
make even a good arcade racer. I would literally shit my pants if
they produced a professional quality racing simulation on par with
Papyrus or the latest incarnation of the ISI engine.
The only racing simulations I'm aware of that are being released in
the next 1-2 years are Nascar Racing 2003 and F1 2003. Lots of good
games that I'm sure I'll buy and enjoy (Rallisport Challenge near the
top of the list), but only 2 companies have produced games that
attempt to do real physical modelling of a car at this point.
I'm starting to leave the topic here, but it amazes me that Papyrus
seems to get so little respect from their publisher. The last 2
iterations of their NASCAR series have outsold everything in Sierra's
catalog other than Half-Life, and yet they've been rewarded with
budget cuts and strict limitations on the types of games they can
produce. All of this, and they're the first development team to do
serious physical modelling of race car dynamics on a personal
computer. I bet that if they were working for EA we would've had GPL2
a long time ago, not to mention other games developed using their
engine.
Jason
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:26:06 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
><raises hand>
Shouldn't you be over on the west-racing forum requesting your damn
V-8 expansion pack? =)
Jason
"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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yeah Goy get over there and ask for the V8 expansion pak with the CART
mini-game(all tracks; all cars; all rules packages) included.
dave henrie
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> On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:26:06 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ><raises hand> > > Shouldn't you be over on the west-racing forum requesting your damn > V-8 expansion pack? =) > > JasonDave Henrie wrote:
Ellison probably has me banned already since I'm not a member of the
West Bros fan club
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:26:06 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > ><raises hand> > > > > Shouldn't you be over on the west-racing forum requesting your damn > > V-8 expansion pack? =) > > > > Jason > yeah Goy get over there and ask for the V8 expansion pak with the CART > mini-game(all tracks; all cars; all rules packages) included. > dave henriejason moyer wrote:
That's 3 tracks now, mister. You're forgetting Coca-cola. :-)
--
Fester
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> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, >>$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > > There are people pay $50 for NASCAR sims to drive 1 car on 2 tracks.On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:29:50 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]>
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>That's 3 tracks now, mister. You're forgetting Coca-cola. :-)
Ew?
David Cook schrieb:
Yepp, this just sounds too much like venture capital...
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> > As much as I have been excited about WSC/RL - I have to say I'm not too > confident about RL's success. If the hardcore sim'ers all pitch in the $150 and > things don't work out for the West's what then? Apparently they've been working > on this title for a year and have no licensing yet. What makes us think that > this will change when we put our money in their pockets? Don't get me wrong, > I'd pay US$200+ for a finished product that lives up to the hype. At this point > though I'm not ready to throw in US$150 to beta test 1 car and 1 track with no > assurances that I'll ever see anything else...
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>
> This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
> $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?
>
>
You have GOT to be shittin' me !!!!!!
Puh-leaze tell me you just made this up..........
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>"Vennt" <[email hidden]> wrote > "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote > > This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > > $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > > Really??? Hmmm... Interest.... Dying....In article <T7jY8.64954$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Nope. Looks to be the whole of it.
I gotta say, I've paid very little attention to this whole West Brothers
thing, and I gotta say I'm glad I didn't waste my time. This boondoggle
shows that they are about as thickheaded as they come, and given that I
doubt their ability to come up with a decent piece of code.
Pfft.
-Tim
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> >"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3d30dfa7$1_1@news2... >> >> This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, >> $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? >> >> > >You have GOT to be shittin' me !!!!!! >Puh-leaze tell me you just made this up..........On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,
>$150".
Ha ha ha ha ... you are a funny guy. Nice April Fools joke.
Wait a sec ... it's not April 1. You weren't joking. OMFG!
Probably the same thing as the last so called "beta" of WSC. On/Off gas and
brake, No steering, steering will cost you buddy!
"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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one
> car and 20 meters of track?
>
>
>
> Don McCorkle
>
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> In article <3d30dfa7$1_1@news2>, > "Internet User" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > >$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > > > What the hell will be included in the demo? One track and a bicycle, orExactly, one must be an idiot to buy into this concept!
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> Idiot ! > > MS > > > > This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > > $150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > > > > >And just think. HERE we have an opportunity to get 1 unlicensed car and 1
unlicensed track for just $150.
Progress?
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> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > >$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept? > > There are people pay $50 for NASCAR sims to drive 1 car on 2 tracks. > > Jason"Wayne Bradley" wrote...
> Exactly, one must be an idiot to buy into
> this concept!
Are you an accountant by profession by any chance?
Jan.
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"Wayne Bradley" wrote...
> And just think. HERE we have an opportunity to get 1
> unlicensed car and 1 unlicensed track for just $150.
>
> Progress?
You keep forgetting this includes the engine and tools to build your own
racing sim. Not everyone will have the time, talent, inclination and
information to do this, obviously, but some will. People have gone through
the trouble to reverse engineer other games in order to be able to do this.
What makes you think they won't for this one?
You call me a dreamer, I call you shortsighted, how about agreeing to
disagree and just get on with it?
Jan.
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Sounds fair Jan. Some questions if anyone feels like answering.
As far as the "tools to build your own racing sim". Does that not sound like
a major conflict of interest on their part? How will they sell anything
else other then the core? Do you really think they will give you ALL of the
tools thus elimating the need for the West Bros. at all?
I feel this is just another way to tell us what we want to hear, as is
most of the stuff on their page.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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this.
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> "Wayne Bradley" wrote... > > And just think. HERE we have an opportunity to get 1 > > unlicensed car and 1 unlicensed track for just $150. > > > > Progress? > > You keep forgetting this includes the engine and tools to build your own > racing sim. Not everyone will have the time, talent, inclination and > information to do this, obviously, but some will. People have gone through > the trouble to reverse engineer other games in order to be able to doQuoted text (9 lines)
> What makes you think they won't for this one? > > You call me a dreamer, I call you shortsighted, how about agreeing to > disagree and just get on with it? > > Jan. > =--- > >
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Wayne Bradley" wrote...
> > Exactly, one must be an idiot to buy into
> > this concept!
I suspect that you see no concept. Never mind, there are plenty of nice
games with lots of cars and tracks to choose from. I hear on the grapevine
that they come in lots of nice colours as well ;-).
If you can find the cheat codes, you can get even more cars and tracks
>
> Are you an accountant by profession by any chance?
Ah yes Jan that strange breed, the accountant. Boring, homogenised and
totally devoid of long range vision. How many thousands of fantastic
industrial and technical breakthroughs never made it beyond the accountant's
office, I wonder :-(
MS
> Ah yes Jan that strange breed, the accountant. Boring, homogenised and
> totally devoid of long range vision. How many thousands of fantastic
> industrial and technical breakthroughs never made it beyond the accountant's
> office, I wonder :-(
>That truly is something worth pondering over. .............
......................On second thought, I would rather chew my own arm off.
Nighty night.
"redTed" wrote...
> > <snip>
> That truly is something worth pondering over.
> ..........On second thought, I would rather chew
> my own arm off. Nighty night.
Now that's a scary thought.... on 2nd thought: can we watch?
Jan.<g>
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Money to burn...? I *wish* I had that problem...<g>
Eldred
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>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:XO4Y8.184436$Uu2.41221@sccrnsc03... >> Briefly, so I don't have to slog thru dozens of forums, and hundreds of >> RAS posts, can somebody give a summary of what WRL will cost, what it will >> contain, and what it's main focus will be? >> thanks. >> dave(lazy)henrie > >This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, >$150". Why would anyone buy into this concept?Strange, but having spoken to the West brothers on Friday, Saturday & Sunday
at Goodwood several times about Racing Legends on the GPL stand, I can't
remember them ever saying "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, $150".
Some people are obviously psychic.
Lee
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> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:17 -0400, "Internet User" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >This about does it for me... "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, > >$150". > > Ha ha ha ha ... you are a funny guy. Nice April Fools joke. > > Wait a sec ... it's not April 1. You weren't joking. OMFG!Oh.. I see the CONcept.
Will any of these fancy, colorful new games have a Hot Wheels theme Mark? I
hope so! I can't wait to race in all the cars I have been using since I was
a child. Imagine, an unlimited supply of track. WHAT A CONCEPT!
Cheaters never win Mark.
"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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accountant's
> office, I wonder :-(
>
> MS
>
>
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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nPEY8.8257$[email hidden]... > > "Wayne Bradley" wrote... > > > Exactly, one must be an idiot to buy into > > > this concept! > > I suspect that you see no concept. Never mind, there are plenty of nice > games with lots of cars and tracks to choose from. I hear on the grapevine > that they come in lots of nice colours as well ;-). > > If you can find the cheat codes, you can get even more cars and tracks > > > > Are you an accountant by profession by any chance? > > Ah yes Jan that strange breed, the accountant. Boring, homogenised and > totally devoid of long range vision. How many thousands of fantastic > industrial and technical breakthroughs never made it beyond the
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Oh.. I see the CONcept.
When people are reduced to having to play with semantics, the debate is
over. Game set and match :-)
MS
lee.ward1 wrote:
> Strange, but having spoken to the West brothers on Friday, Saturday & Sunday
> at Goodwood several times about Racing Legends on the GPL stand, I can't
> remember them ever saying "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track, $150".
> Some people are obviously psychic.
>
> Lee
The price I'm referring to was pulled from a post on West-Racing from an
individual that also spoke with the Wests. They said that was the
price that was being considered.
"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> lee.ward1 wrote:
> > Strange, but having spoken to the West brothers on Friday, Saturday &Sunday
> > at Goodwood several times about Racing Legends on the GPL stand, I can't
> > remember them ever saying "1 non licensed car, 1 non licensed track,$150".
As far as I could tell from reading that thread the figure you quote was an
off the cuff reply to a question in which a hypothetical number of buyers
(?5000?) was posited by the questioner. Given that number of buyers perhaps
thats the price the Wests would need to sell it for to recover their costs
and make it all worthwhile. However that was a number of buyers that the
questioner put forward, not the Wests. The Wests merely answered a specific
hypothetical question, they didn't put forward a business case. I wouldn't
make too much of that guesstimate.
David
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> > Some people are obviously psychic. > > > > Lee > > The price I'm referring to was pulled from a post on West-Racing from an > individual that also spoke with the Wests. They said that was the > price that was being considered. >I have some audio gear that is midi controllable. I also have some software
that controls midi devices. This software is fairly simple in design, midi
is really simple, but there is so much gear out there that the software
company could never make control modules for every piece of gear. So they
let us make our own modules.
It goes like this: I pay 100 bucks for the core program and 1 module. I can
buy more modules from anybody I like. If I buy your module from you I might
pay 20 bucks and you get twenty. If I buy your module off the software's web
site I might pay 21 bucks, but I know for a fact that it's good stuff. It's
a great system. There might be 40 of us out here who love the DP4 and use it
daily. Without the little guy making mods, we'd be out of luck. Big
companies wouldn't waste their time. The software company is not loosing
money in any way because they keep plugging away at the high demand stuff.
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make it."
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mark
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Sounds fair Jan. Some questions if anyone feels like answering.
>
> As far as the "tools to build your own racing sim". Does that not sound
like
> a major conflict of interest on their part? How will they sell anything
> else other then the core? Do you really think they will give you ALL of
the
> tools thus elimating the need for the West Bros. at all?
>
> I feel this is just another way to tell us what we want to hear, as is
> most of the stuff on their page.
>
>
>
>
> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Wayne Bradley" wrote...
> > > And just think. HERE we have an opportunity to get 1
> > > unlicensed car and 1 unlicensed track for just $150.
> > >
> > > Progress?
> >
> > You keep forgetting this includes the engine and tools to build your own
> > racing sim. Not everyone will have the time, talent, inclination and
> > information to do this, obviously, but some will. People have gone
through
> > the trouble to reverse engineer other games in order to be able to do
> this.
> > What makes you think they won't for this one?
> >
> > You call me a dreamer, I call you shortsighted, how about agreeing to
> > disagree and just get on with it?
> >
> > Jan.
> > =---
> >
> >
>
>
So Mark. Does this mean there is no new Hot Wheel title coming out soon?
awwww
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> > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ah18k3$ndb$[email hidden]... > > Oh.. I see the CONcept. > > When people are reduced to having to play with semantics, the debate is > over. Game set and match :-) > > MS > > >
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So Mark. Does this mean there is no new Hot Wheel title coming out soon?
> awwww
Not that I know of but to get back on track, I quote from the West Bros FAQ
on their website.
Q: Only 1 car and 1 track in the initial release?
A: Some more confusion here. It was mentioned at Goodwood that there would
only be one car and track to start in Racing Legends. This was refering to
the initial beta test version of Racing Legends and not the Release
version......
Wanna continue being part of the rumour mill or spreading the word of
unsubstantiated claims?
MS
I am not at all interested in RL so you speculate on the vapor all you want.
Just remember, Everything the West's have "claimed" thus far is
"unsubstantiated".
As far as "continue being part of the rumour mill or spreading the word of
unsubstantiated claims", I have not done either, really the most
"unsubstantiated claim" in all of this is the RL CONcept itself.
My point in all of this is that I won't be holding my breath waiting for RL
to be released and thank god I wasn't doing the same thing waiting for WSC.
It is quite the pipe dream. I wish them good luck.
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FAQ
