is F1 2002 much better than F1 2001 ?

What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worth upgrading to ?

I think it's better... The car has more grip and is less likely to spin out if you make a small error, but perhaps that's simply the setup's that come with the game? The graphics are a bit better, and some say the tracks (and the surrounding scenery) are more accurate. The cars are up to date for this season, with the current teams and paint schemes, and the game also have 2002 features like auto-shifting and launch control. The, menu is improved imo, but the best improvement has to be improved framerate! I'm running a PIII 933 with a GeForce 2 GTS 64meg card and 384meg of PC133 ram and when running 1200x1600 16bit w/out FSAA I can get 30+ fps consistently! Regards, Jay J "me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]... > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worthupgrading > to ? > >

Everything seems to run faster, resulting in MUCH more controllable (at least believable) handling. The car dynamics seem improved, too (I think the front end on the car feels different). The interface and track textures are improved, although some tracks still need to be brought a bit more in line with reality! Split axis controllers are still not handled perfectly (although pressing both throttle and brake while the game loads seems to do the trick). The multiplayer is apparently not quite there yet, although I haven't tried this much myself. "me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]... > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worthupgrading > to ? > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----

I don't think it's any better at all. "me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]... > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worthupgrading > to ? > >

"me" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]: > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worth > upgrading to ? > > I was going to skip this update, since the changes seemed minor when just looking at the specs. Having read some in-depth reviews, I changed my mind, and I'm glad I did. It's the most worthwhile F1 game yet, if you have the machine do run it. Physics are greatly improved with the double-rate physics engine and completely new tire model. The unrealistic tire wear model from F1 2001 (evidently worsened by the patches) is gone, tire wear is more progressive, and the tire heating is more controllable. Split axis control problems ARE solved (but you need to tweak the values for the controller axis directly in the player.cfg file). Many track alterations have been made. I don't particularly care if they are always within the proverbial inch of reality, but many corners at least seem more logical and driveable from a racing point of view -- i.e., you see the "logic of the racing line", especially when you miss it and mess up... (For the first time ever in an F1 game, I feel the ideal curb-riding line over the chicanes at Imola to be spot-on! Also, Silverstone looks much more like Silverstone now, I think -- not a 6-lane highway :) Tha A.I. behaviour has been greatly improved, (although they can still behave like morons at times). The best thing is, their behaviour is much more human. They are not consistantly slower or consistantly faster; Instead, when you lower the A.I. setting, they don't so much slow down as start to make human-like errors like underbraking, putting on gas too early at corner exits, etc. This makes racing them much more enjoyable -- if you mess up, chances are the guy in front is going to do the same when you catch him again two laps later! The new telemetry system seems impressive, but I haven't started to look into it yet. The rather nice default setups will do me for a while longer, thanks. The setup files are somewhat better organized and easier to manage now, but no more than should have been in F1 2001 already. To sum it all up, even if none of the changes are revolutionary, i find F1 2002 just so m�ch more fun and satisfying to drive. Which is what should count, really, rather than "how many changed code lines' worth does this update buy me?" From the box cover, you'd be forgiven to think the ISI boys were just resting on their laurels this year. I'm glad to say they weren't. (Now just bring out the safety car for next year, and finally get a decent replay system going, for chrissakes!)

"Carl Cottrell" <[email hidden]> blabbed in news:0lYY8.16931 $[email hidden]: > I don't think it's any better at all. > There are improvements and not all are on the surface. But I don't think it is worth the full price to upgrade from 2001 so long as you are willing to screw around with the FFB settings in F12001.Maybe wait for the price to drop then buy it.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:40:29 -0000, Codex <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Carl Cottrell" <[email hidden]> blabbed in news:0lYY8.16931 >$[email hidden]: > >> I don't think it's any better at all. >> > >There are improvements and not all are on the surface. But I don't think it >is worth the full price to upgrade from 2001 so long as you are willing to >screw around with the FFB settings in F12001.Maybe wait for the price to >drop then buy it.

Here in NZ F1-2002 retails for about $30US - which is damn cheap by local standards where most titles are now about $50US. It's worth every penny. The super physics combined with the better driving model makes this one much much more fun that F1-2001. Just my 5c.

B Bonnet <[email hidden]> blabbed in news:[email hidden]: > From the box cover, you'd be forgiven to think the ISI boys were just > resting on their laurels this year. I'm glad to say they weren't. (Now > just bring out the safety car for next year, and finally get a decent > replay system going, for chrissakes!) > > And they have to stop the cheatin' AI before I buy the 2003 version. AI still cuts corners at times to pass you that in RL would result in a black flag.

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> B Bonnet <[email hidden]> blabbed in > news:[email hidden]: > >> From the box cover, you'd be forgiven to think the ISI boys were just >> resting on their laurels this year. I'm glad to say they weren't. >> (Now just bring out the safety car for next year, and finally get a >> decent replay system going, for chrissakes!) >> >> > > And they have to stop the cheatin' AI before I buy the 2003 version. > AI still cuts corners at times to pass you that in RL would result in > a black flag. >

No argument there. Perhaps they are a little TOO human, because, I have to admit, on occasion, so have I... :) I also don't like them bumping into my rear when I slow down half a second too early when entering the pit lane... Bastards! -- "Walk like a Syrian" Per Thulin Visit Jane The Hamster (and Pelhamina & Grenville) at http://w1.541.telia.com/~u54108168/ (Spamblock in operation - remove "hamsters" in email address to reply by mail.)

Per Thulin <[email hidden]> blabbed in news:[email hidden]: > I also don't like them bumping into my rear when I slow down half a > second too early when entering the pit lane... Bastards! > Yea, but that's nothing compared to the murderous AI in F1RC by Ubisoft.

Yea, but that's nothing compared to the ***ous AI in F1RC by Ubisoft.

"me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]... > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worthupgrading > to ? > > It will be when the ALMS/FIA GT/&LeMans 2002 get released for it. Until then it is just another F1 title with proper cars and most likely the best physics model of any modern sim. dave henrie

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> "me" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:CRTY8.4666$[email hidden]: > > > What specifically has been significantly improved, and is it worth > > upgrading to ? > > > > > > I was going to skip this update, since the changes seemed minor when just > looking at the specs. Having read some in-depth reviews, I changed my

mind, > and I'm glad I did. It's the most worthwhile F1 game yet, if you have the > machine do run it. > > Physics are greatly improved with the double-rate physics engine and > completely new tire model. The unrealistic tire wear model from F1 2001 > (evidently worsened by the patches) is gone, tire wear is moreprogressive, > and the tire heating is more controllable. > > Split axis control problems ARE solved (but you need to tweak the values > for the controller axis directly in the player.cfg file). >snip Can you possibly elaborate on tweaking the values for the controller axis? Thanks, Don Burnette

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WZ5Z8.140246$[email hidden]:

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>> Split axis control problems ARE solved (but you need to tweak the >> values for the controller axis directly in the player.cfg file). >> > snip > > Can you possibly elaborate on tweaking the values for the controller > axis? > > Thanks, > > Don Burnette >

Sure. First off, the file is named "<player name>.plr", and is located in the "<player name>" folder inside the "Save" folder. There's a [control] section with a humongous amount of options. Look at the lines similar to: Axis [00, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis The first number after "Axis" is the controller number (-1), the second the Axis number for the controller (-1). For my trusty old LWFF, I just had to change the values for axis 01 and 02 to "1.00000", and voil�. (I guess some wheels would require "0.00000" instead.)

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> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:WZ5Z8.140246$[email hidden]: > > >> Split axis control problems ARE solved (but you need to tweak the > >> values for the controller axis directly in the player.cfg file). > >> > > snip > > > > Can you possibly elaborate on tweaking the values for the controller > > axis? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don Burnette > > > > Sure. First off, the file is named "<player name>.plr", and is located in > the "<player name>" folder inside the "Save" folder. > > There's a [control] section with a humongous amount of options. Look at

the > lines similar to: > > Axis [00, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to > correct centering or split-axis > > The first number after "Axis" is the controller number (-1), the secondthe > Axis number for the controller (-1). > > For my trusty old LWFF, I just had to change the values for axis 01 and 02 > to "1.00000", and voil�. (I guess some wheels would require "0.00000" > instead.) > Thanks, what wheel are you using with those settings? Don Burnette

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:eTcZ8.145090$[email hidden]:

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> > "B Bonnet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in >> news:WZ5Z8.140246$[email hidden]: >> >> >> Split axis control problems ARE solved (but you need to tweak the >> >> values for the controller axis directly in the player.cfg file). >> >> >> > snip >> > >> > Can you possibly elaborate on tweaking the values for the >> > controller axis? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Don Burnette >> > >> >> Sure. First off, the file is named "<player name>.plr", and is >> located in the "<player name>" folder inside the "Save" folder. >> >> There's a [control] section with a humongous amount of options. Look >> at > the >> lines similar to: >> >> Axis [00, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use >> to correct centering or split-axis >> >> The first number after "Axis" is the controller number (-1), the >> second > the >> Axis number for the controller (-1). >> >> For my trusty old LWFF, I just had to change the values for axis 01 >> and 02 to "1.00000", and voil�. (I guess some wheels would require >> "0.00000" instead.) >> > > Thanks, what wheel are you using with those settings? > > Don Burnette > > > >

LWFF = Logitech Wingman Formula Force, the old, red, cable-driven one! I also just found that the same settings seem to work OK with MS Sidewinder Force Feedback, don't know if it actually uses them or works regardless of these settings... -- "Walk like a Syrian" Per Thulin Visit Jane The Hamster (and Pelhamina & Grenville) at http://w1.541.telia.com/~u54108168/ (Spamblock in operation - remove "hamsters" in email address to reply by mail.)