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GODDAMNIT. My DSL died during qualifying and that was the end of my day. Couldnt get back in. This is BS, this goddamn DSL connection keeps crapping out whenever there is any electrical irregularity.... (lightning, turning off the ceiling fan, solar flares, etc etc) FUCK

Now. Tell us how you really feel. "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:C8k_8.69250$[email hidden]... > GODDAMNIT. My DSL died during qualifying and that was the end of my day. > Couldnt get back in. This is BS, this goddamn DSL connection keepscrapping

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> out whenever there is any electrical irregularity.... (lightning, turning > off the ceiling fan, solar flares, etc etc) > > FUCK > > >

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> GODDAMNIT. My DSL died during qualifying and that > was the end of my day. Couldnt get back in. This > is BS, this goddamn DSL connection keeps crapping > out whenever there is any electrical irregularity > .... (lightning, turning off the ceiling fan, > solar flares, etc etc) > > FUCK

You were already acting a little strange in chat. Seems you yourself are a little affected by these phenomena as well. <g> Jan./lost the motor again... aargh!! =--- "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi

For future information. All drivers MUST have their chat turned ON. 'nuff said... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... Eh? Jan. =--- "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi

That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line on several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I passed him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck I even tried to bumped him! When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a "thight" pace- field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and the car infront. So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can see "vital" information... -- ed_ "Jan Verschueren" said: > "EldredP" wrote... > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > Eh? > > Jan. > =--- > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > >

Ok, results and replay are at: http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/rascar.html Congrats to Ed Solheim! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Ed Solheim" wrote... > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close > up the pace line on several occations... After having > used autochat a billion times... I passed him in an > effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... > Heck I even tried to bumped him! Oh I see... he does have a tendency to lag, which I too find annoying. Guess he didn't see my "keep up Uwe" either then. > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that > everyone keep a "tight" pace field... meaning a > distance of around a second or so between you and the > car infront. A second is a lot of distance at 90mph... I'd say 2 to 3 car lenghts max. > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on > so everyone can see "vital" information... I thought this was a given in online Nascar racing. Jan. =--- "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi

That's two for Uwe actually. :-) I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he was entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the distance--no big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get the lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly passing Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just like Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my intention and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four and that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a beautiful pass ended it for good. If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can understand him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of telling him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart Larry and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a couple of other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly have no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to the chat being off. :-) David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line on > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... Ipassed

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> him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck I > even tried to bumped him! > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > "thight" pace- > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and the > car infront. > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can see > "vital" information... > > -- > ed_ > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > Eh? > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > >

BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my black flag. On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the pits. How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the pit entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a restart? David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he was > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into thedistance--no > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get the > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedlypassing > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, justlike > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my intention > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front fourand

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> that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can understand > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of telling > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart Larry > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a couple

of > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainlyhave > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due tothe

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> chat being off. :-) > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line

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> > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I > passed > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck I > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > "thight" pace- > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and

the > > car infront. > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone cansee

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> > "vital" information... > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dave; You have to stay behind/beside him until he passes the pit wall and/or pit entrance line. Probably already are, but the F2 screen is key for this, since you can't see sideways. Though as slow entering as it sounds like he was, a black flag or waiting probably wasn't much difference :( John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uan_8.244575$[email hidden]... > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my blackflag. > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach thepits. > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses thepit

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> entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a > restart? > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he

was > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the > distance--no > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to getthe > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly > passing > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just > like > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't myintention

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> > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four > and > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a > > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can

understand > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way oftelling > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restartLarry > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and acouple

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> of > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly > have > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to > the > > chat being off. :-) > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line > on > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I > > passed > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck

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> > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > > "thight" pace- > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and > the > > > car infront. > > > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can > see > > > "vital" information... > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > Jan. > > > > =--- > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Needless to say.... it was a very crappy time to make a pitstop if you ask me... not only did he ruin his own chances off a good result.... but he would have ruined the chances of everyone who was behind him too.. What he should have done was take the green flag and then pit. IMO. -- ed_ "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Dave; > You have to stay behind/beside him until he passes the pit wall and/or pit > entrance line. Probably already are, but the F2 screen is key for this, > since you can't see sideways. > > Though as slow entering as it sounds like he was, a black flag or waiting > probably wasn't much difference :( > > John > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Uan_8.244575$[email hidden]... > > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my black > flag. > > > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the > pits. > > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the > pit > > entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The > > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for > > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds > > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't > > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If > > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can > > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a > > restart? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > > > > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he > was > > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the > > distance--no > > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get > the > > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly > > passing > > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just > > like > > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way > > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my > intention > > > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I > > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four > > and > > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a > > > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > > > > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can > understand > > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of > telling > > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart > Larry > > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a > couple > > of > > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly > > have > > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on > > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to > > the > > > chat being off. :-) > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line > > on > > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I > > > passed > > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck > I > > > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > > > "thight" pace- > > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and > > the > > > > car infront. > > > > > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can > > see > > > > "vital" information... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > > > Jan. > > > > > =--- > > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" wrote... > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat > for my black flag. > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to > approach the pits. How long do I have to stay behind him? > All the way until he crosses the pit entry line? Yes. From watching the races I have the impression Nascar officials are much more lenient in this respect than the game, but it seems it's something we'll have to adjust to. > What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? If he stops and retires or tows you shouldn't get a penalty.

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> The entire field took off as the green flag dropped and > I'm still waiting for him to enter the pits. By the time > he does the field was EIGHT seconds ahead. You can't make > that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't wait > long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him > anymore. If he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able > to pass him just like you can pass any driver on the > outside before the s/f once the green drops on a restart?

I'll have a look at the replay to see if I can explain it. If I understand correctly if you are ahead as the green is given you will be judged as having passed under yellow at that moment and not at s/f or pit entry. Don't know if that's what happened, but it's a possibility. Download from Eldred's server is exceptionally slow at the moment. Let me get back to you... Jan. =---

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> <snip> > I'll have a look at the replay to see if I can > explain it. If I understand correctly if you > are ahead as the green is given you will be > judged as having passed under yellow at that > moment and not at s/f or pit entry. Don't know > if that's what happened, but it's a possibility.

Bingo... you were ahead when the green was waved and therefore, by definition, had passed under yellow. Had you been behind Grubbat as the race went green, I think you would have been allowed to floor it and take off after the pack, provided you passed to the outside. Which is a given in this situation. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n8o_8.19974$[email hidden]...

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> "Jan Verschueren" wrote... > > <snip> > > I'll have a look at the replay to see if I can > > explain it. If I understand correctly if you > > are ahead as the green is given you will be > > judged as having passed under yellow at that > > moment and not at s/f or pit entry. Don't know > > if that's what happened, but it's a possibility. > > Bingo... you were ahead when the green was waved and therefore, by > definition, had passed under yellow. Had you been behind Grubbat as the

race > went green, I think you would have been allowed to floor it and take off > after the pack, provided you passed to the outside. Which is a given inthis > situation. > > Jan. > =--- What raced through my head at the time was the rule that let's you pass a much slower car on the left before the s/f line on a restart without being black flagged. I thought maybe there had to be the same kind of leeway for the type of situation I was in. The field was just about out of sight it was so far ahead, and I was on the right side after all. Just seems like a ridiculous rule. I'm guessing it can't possibly be as strictly enforced in real life as it is in the game. If a driver were to be injured/sick or his car was breaking down, he could take others out of the race completely if they had to wait for him to get into the pits on a restart. I understand that it may be hard to program a solution for my situation into the game, but then again, they managed to program the situation of passing very slow cars on the left on a restart as I mentioned above. David G Fisher

Passing high (right) is ok on restarts. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Njp_8.200471$[email hidden]... > > What raced through my head at the time was the rule that let's you pass a > much slower car on the left before the s/f line on a restart without being > black flagged. I thought maybe there had to be the same kind of leeway for > the type of situation I was in. The field was just about out of sight itwas > so far ahead, and I was on the right side after all. > Just seems like a ridiculous rule. I'm guessing it can't possibly be as > strictly enforced in real life as it is in the game. If a driver were tobe > injured/sick or his car was breaking down, he could take others out of the > race completely if they had to wait for him to get into the pits on a > restart. > > I understand that it may be hard to program a solution for my situationinto > the game, but then again, they managed to program the situation of passing > very slow cars on the left on a restart as I mentioned above. > > David G Fisher > >

"Mitch Alatorre" wrote... > Passing high (right) is ok on restarts. Not before green tho' ;-) Jan. =---

"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in news:gJn_8.1031$[email hidden]:

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> Needless to say.... it was a very crappy time to make a pitstop if > you ask me... not only did he ruin his own chances off a good > result.... but he would have ruined the chances of everyone who was > behind him too.. What he should have done was take the green flag and > then pit. > > IMO. > -- > ed_

I don't understand it. If he'd stayed on the track, Dave would have been well within his rights to pass him on the right (outside) without getting flagged. Why the difference in the rule because he was in the pits? Is that a NASCAR rule? cheers John

Before green isn't it still yellow, lol? Meaning no passing :-) After the green comes back out but prior to cars passing S/F line you can pass high without BF. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PWB_8.21119$[email hidden]...

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> "Mitch Alatorre" wrote... > > Passing high (right) is ok on restarts. > > Not before green tho' ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > >

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> "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in > news:gJn_8.1031$[email hidden]: > > > Needless to say.... it was a very crappy time to make a pitstop if > > you ask me... not only did he ruin his own chances off a good > > result.... but he would have ruined the chances of everyone who was > > behind him too.. What he should have done was take the green flag and > > then pit. > > > > IMO. > > -- > > ed_ > > I don't understand it. If he'd stayed on the track, Dave would have been > well within his rights to pass him on the right (outside) without getting > flagged. Why the difference in the rule because he was in the pits? Is > that a NASCAR rule? > > cheers > John

That's my main question. Seems ridiculous considering all the problems it can cause. David G Fisher

Those of us on Cox Cable in Northern Virginia are having similar problems. After the conversion from RoadRunner, the network has been terribly unreliable. Some of us have in excess of a dozen disconnects a day. I had a brief one yesterday during the race, but it didn't disconnect me. It's really a shame because when it works, the new network latencies are excellent. Down to 60-70ms online with Sierra. -Larry "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:C8k_8.69250$[email hidden]... > GODDAMNIT. My DSL died during qualifying and that was the end of my day. > Couldnt get back in. This is BS, this goddamn DSL connection keepscrapping

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> out whenever there is any electrical irregularity.... (lightning, turning > off the ceiling fan, solar flares, etc etc) > > FUCK > > >

Thank you Eldred :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> For future information. All drivers MUST have their chat turned ON. > 'nuff said... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Dave is right. It kept us from running with everyone else. We ended up just running with each other. Unfortunately, a warp between Dave and I (not sure which it was, but it doesn't really matter) took dave up to the wall :( Sorry that happend, Dave. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he was > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into thedistance--no > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get the > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedlypassing > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, justlike > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my intention > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front fourand

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> that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can understand > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of telling > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart Larry > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a couple

of > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainlyhave > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due tothe

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> chat being off. :-) > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line

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> > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I > passed > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck I > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > "thight" pace- > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and

the > > car infront. > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone cansee

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> > "vital" information... > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry David. I did not intend you give you a black flag. I screwed up. I would have waited a lap if I had knowed that you would have gotton a flag. Once again, sorry. grub "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uan_8.244575$[email hidden]... > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my blackflag. > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach thepits. > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses thepit

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> entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting for > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like you can > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a > restart? > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he

was > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the > distance--no > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to getthe > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly > passing > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up, just > like > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's still way > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't myintention

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> > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed (I > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the front four > and > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together during a > > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can

understand > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way oftelling > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restartLarry > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and acouple

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> of > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly > have > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice on > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding due to > the > > chat being off. :-) > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace line > on > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times... I > > passed > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront....... Heck

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> > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > > "thight" pace- > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between you and > the > > > car infront. > > > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyone can > see > > > "vital" information... > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > Jan. > > > > =--- > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Like I said, I don't blame you at all. It's the rule I blame. It seems silly to me for many reasons. David G Fisher "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dDI_8.2517$[email hidden]...

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> Sorry David. I did not intend you give you a black flag. I screwed up. I > would have waited a lap if I had knowed that you would have gotton a flag. > Once again, sorry. > grub > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Uan_8.244575$[email hidden]... > > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my black > flag. > > > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the > pits. > > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the > pit > > entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The > > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting

for > > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds > > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't > > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If > > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like youcan

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> > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a > > restart? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > > > > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he > was > > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the > > distance--no > > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get > the > > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly > > passing > > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up,

just > > like > > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's stillway > > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my > intention > > > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed(I > > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the frontfour > > and > > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together duringa

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> > > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > > > > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can > understand > > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of > telling > > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart > Larry > > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a > couple > > of > > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly > > have > > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice

on > > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding dueto

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> > the > > > chat being off. :-) > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace

line > > on > > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times...I > > > passed > > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront.......Heck > I > > > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > > > "thight" pace- > > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between youand > > the > > > > car infront. > > > > > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyonecan

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> > see > > > > "vital" information... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > > > Jan. > > > > > =--- > > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Like I said, I don't blame you at all. It's the rule I blame. It seems silly to me for many reasons. David G Fisher "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dDI_8.2517$[email hidden]...

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> Sorry David. I did not intend you give you a black flag. I screwed up. I > would have waited a lap if I had knowed that you would have gotton a flag. > Once again, sorry. > grub > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Uan_8.244575$[email hidden]... > > BTW, I didn't meant to make it sound like I blame grubbat for my black > flag. > > > > On lap 29, we are about to go green and he dives down to approach the > pits. > > How long do I have to stay behind him? All the way until he crosses the > pit > > entry line? What if his car broke down or he had a flat and stopped? The > > entire field took off as the green flag dropped and I'm still waiting

for > > him to enter the pits. By the time he does the field was EIGHT seconds > > ahead. You can't make that up without drafting help. I apparently didn't > > wait long enough and got the flag because I couldn't see him anymore. If > > he's entering the pits, shouldn't I be able to pass him just like youcan

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> > pass any driver on the outside before the s/f once the green drops on a > > restart? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uTm_8.194728$[email hidden]... > > > That's two for Uwe actually. :-) > > > > > > I had a black flag and lost a lap for passing grubbat on a restart (he > was > > > entering pits slowly as everyone else was speeding off into the > > distance--no > > > big deal now I know what happened) so I had to work my a** off to get > the > > > lap back. On lap 62, if you look at Eldred's replay, I'm repeatedly > > passing > > > Uwe under yellow before we go green trying to get him to close up,

just > > like > > > Ed was advised to do earlier in the race. In turn three, he's stillway > > > behing Mitch. I'm sure I was pissing him off but that wasn't my > intention > > > and if chat was on he would of known that. On the restart, it seemed(I > > > don't know for sure) like he blocked me the whole length of the front > > > straight in return. I then was about two seconds back of the frontfour > > and > > > that basically ruined my comeback. Larry and I warping together duringa

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> > > beautiful pass ended it for good. > > > > > > If Uwe thought I was being an a** during the yellow, then I can > understand > > > him blocking me, but that wasn't what I was doing. I had no way of > telling > > > him to close up since his chat was off, and without a tight restart > Larry > > > and I were going to be out of the running because we had Uwe and a > couple > > of > > > other damaged lapped cars between us and the four leaders. I certainly > > have > > > no problem with you at all Uwe (just the opposite, you seem very nice

on > > > RASCAR), if you are mad at me then it's simply a misunderstanding dueto

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> > the > > > chat being off. :-) > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:ZEl_8.1008$[email hidden]... > > > > That one's for Uwe..... I tried to get him to close up the pace

line > > on > > > > several occations... After having used autochat a billion times...I > > > passed > > > > him in an effort to get him to close up on the car infront.......Heck > I > > > > even tried to bumped him! > > > > > > > > When pitting is part of the game it's essential that everyone keep a > > > > "thight" pace- > > > > field... meaning a distance of around a second or so between youand > > the > > > > car infront. > > > > > > > > So for future races - please have incar chat turned on so everyonecan

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> > see > > > > "vital" information... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" said: > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > > For future information. All drivers MUST have their > > > > > > chat turned ON. 'nuff said... > > > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > > > Jan. > > > > > =--- > > > > > "It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >