RASCAR race schedule

The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: Pocono(2 races) Indy(1 race) Watkins Glen(2 races) Michigan(1 race) Bristol(2 races) We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices are: 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until Darlington(Sept 1). I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What about running "other" tracks? Just get out the "randomizer" and pick 3-4 tracks we havent run much on. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > Pocono(2 races) > Indy(1 race) > Watkins Glen(2 races) > Michigan(1 race) > Bristol(2 races) > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices

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> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > Darlington(Sept 1). > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > Pocono(2 races) > Indy(1 race) > Watkins Glen(2 races) > Michigan(1 race) > Bristol(2 races) > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices are: > 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > Darlington(Sept 1). > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. >

I say follow the cup schedule. It makes it easy to determine what track without having to wait for someone to respond to a message here. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

This would be my suggestion. Pocono (last time was with no-yellows, lets run it with yellows) Indy (Only ran once, but its a fun track) Martinsville (IF they have fixed the pace car bug) Kansas (We had server problems with the last Kansas race and some of us had to log off to allow the others to run) Bristol (Its always fun) Otherwise, just follow the schedule. I realize that having to setup the server EVERY week could start to become tedious, so if you need to throw in a break you should feel free to do so. Brian Oster On 21 Jul 2002 15:56:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: >Pocono(2 races) >Indy(1 race) >Watkins Glen(2 races) >Michigan(1 race) >Bristol(2 races) > >We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices are: >1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until >Darlington(Sept 1). >I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... >Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > >Eldred

I for one dont give a ratsa** if we follow the schedule or not.... I would much rather race on good tracks that to follow the Winston Cup thru think and thin. Having said that... I'll be leaving for Brazil on Friday and will be gone for 3 weeks.... so you guys race whatever you like :-) -- ed_

I understand the older hands may feel like a break. Having just started in RASCAR, I'm eager to keep going ;) I don't mind what tracks. Regards "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > Pocono(2 races) > Indy(1 race) > Watkins Glen(2 races) > Michigan(1 race) > Bristol(2 races) > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices

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> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > Darlington(Sept 1). > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > Pocono(2 races) > Indy(1 race) > Watkins Glen(2 races) > Michigan(1 race) > Bristol(2 races) > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices

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> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > Darlington(Sept 1). > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't have a problem with this. The only option I have issues with is taking a break. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > > Pocono(2 races) > > Indy(1 race) > > Watkins Glen(2 races) > > Michigan(1 race) > > Bristol(2 races) > > > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices

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> > 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > > Darlington(Sept 1). > > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > > I say follow the cup schedule. It makes it easy to determine what track > without having to wait for someone to respond to a message here. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I agree. No yellows positively ruined that race for several of us that got caught up in stuff not our fault. -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This would be my suggestion. > > Pocono (last time was with no-yellows, lets run it with yellows) > > Indy (Only ran once, but its a fun track) > > Martinsville (IF they have fixed the pace car bug) > > Kansas (We had server problems with the last Kansas race and some of > us had to log off to allow the others to run) > > Bristol (Its always fun) > > > Otherwise, just follow the schedule. I realize that having to setup > the server EVERY week could start to become tedious, so if you need to > throw in a break you should feel free to do so. > > > Brian Oster > > > > On 21 Jul 2002 15:56:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > >Pocono(2 races) > >Indy(1 race) > >Watkins Glen(2 races) > >Michigan(1 race) > >Bristol(2 races) > > > >We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices

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> >1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > >Darlington(Sept 1). > >I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > >Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > > >Eldred >

It's a once a week race. Tiring ? :) -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ahetq4$cmd$[email hidden]...

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> I understand the older hands may feel like a break. Having just started in > RASCAR, I'm eager to keep going ;) I don't mind what tracks. > > Regards > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > > Pocono(2 races) > > Indy(1 race) > > Watkins Glen(2 races) > > Michigan(1 race) > > Bristol(2 races) > > > > We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices > are: > > 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > > Darlington(Sept 1). > > I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > > Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > > > > Eldred > > > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels like he needs a break... Brian Oster On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:28 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: >> Pocono(2 races) >> Indy(1 race) >> Watkins Glen(2 races) >> Michigan(1 race) >> Bristol(2 races) >> >> We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our choices >are: >> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until >> Darlington(Sept 1). >> I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... >> Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. >> >> Eldred >> >> -- >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

I have 192 up, but until they increase the reliability of my Cable Modem connection, I can't risk hosting a race. Otherwise I'd be happy to. Is 192 up enough for a 20 car field ? Downstream is 1.5mbit so that should not be an issue. -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated > server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am > limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels > like he needs a break... > > Brian Oster > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:28 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > >> Pocono(2 races) > >> Indy(1 race) > >> Watkins Glen(2 races) > >> Michigan(1 race) > >> Bristol(2 races) > >> > >> We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our

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> >are: > >> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > >> Darlington(Sept 1). > >> I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > >> Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > >> > >> Eldred > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >> My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > >> > >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

I believe you basically need a T1 connection to reliably host a server with the size of fields we are running in RASCAR. Were you racing when we did Kansas? We were running 2 races every Sat. and Eldreds server crashed after the first race. We tried to take over the RAS Open server and it worked great.... for about 12 people. As soon as we got around 14 or 15, everyones ping went though the roof. I believe he is running it on a cable modem. There are probably quite a few of us here with a decent extra PC sitting around that is capable of hosting a race, but probably very few of us have access to a T1 or greater connection (or are will to risk or jobs putting a server on our company's connection). Really wish I had the connection, because I would love to have a dedicated N2002 server, but can't quite sell my wife on the idea of a T1. Brian Oster On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:41:30 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have 192 up, but until they increase the reliability of my Cable Modem >connection, I can't risk hosting a race. > >Otherwise I'd be happy to. > >Is 192 up enough for a 20 car field ? > >Downstream is 1.5mbit so that should not be an issue. > >-Larry > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated >> server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am >> limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels >> like he needs a break... >> >> Brian Oster >> >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:28 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. >> > >> >-Larry >> > >> >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: >> >> Pocono(2 races) >> >> Indy(1 race) >> >> Watkins Glen(2 races) >> >> Michigan(1 race) >> >> Bristol(2 races) >> >> >> >> We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our >choices >> >are: >> >> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until >> >> Darlington(Sept 1). >> >> I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... >> >> Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. >> >> >> >> Eldred >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> >> My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... >> >> >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >> > >> >

In article <8VH_8.108969$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >I agree. No yellows positively ruined that race for several of us that got >caught up in stuff not our fault. The first race at Pocono had 27 out of 50 laps run under yellow. Pretty boring to run around such a large track at 65 mph... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: >I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated >server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am >limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels >like he needs a break... I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, too many caution flags, etc. I tried to do something that's accessible to everybody. Jan provided the program - thanks! John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting, and I thank them for it. I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideas were good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. However, I think that it's become necessary. I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently(work, home, life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be looking at rules suggestions closer, and the races will no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invite list. I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, too many cautionflags, > etc. I tried to do something that's accessible to everybody. Janprovided the > program - thanks! John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting,and I > thank them for it. I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideaswere > good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. However, I think thatit's > become necessary. I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently(work,home, > life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be looking at rulessuggestions > closer, and the races will no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invitelist. > I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. I guess I timed my move to Florida right. I will not be able to race the next few weeks. I really do appreciate the use of the server and all of the work that you and the other RASCAR organizers have done. Take all the time you need. Kyle

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, > too many caution flags, etc. This should be water off a duck's back to you. Let us argue and rant, we'll be back for more of the same, no matter how bad it gets. We're all online simracers, we're all addicted. ;-( > I tried to do something that's accessible to > everybody. Jan provided the program - thanks! <takes a bow> The open nature of the races can both be a blessing and a curse. Suppose this Seatec guy'd had a good connection. As a rank 5 on super speedways he could have given the top RASCAR dogs a good run for their money or wiped out the field. Them's the chances you take with a setup like this. > John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting, > and I thank them for it. Yeah, that was really good... the carset stuff, the site. Thank you gentlemen. I'd assumed we'd just gather and sort out which cars we were going to use from the default carset to race. It appears this is not the way things work in online Nascar and their support was instrumental in weeding out the dreaded "generic" cars. Great job gentlemen. > I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideas > were good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. > However, I think that it's become necessary. I don't know... things seem to have calmed down. Both those making the mistake too many and those who got worked up over it most have weeded themselves out as far as I can tell. > I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently (work, > home, life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be > looking at rules suggestions closer, and the races will > no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invite list. > I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. Ow come on... just put up some races to keep us occupied (both on Saturday and "discussing" after), you don't have to administer, join them or read the flames... <vwg>. Jan. =---

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: >There are probably quite a >few of us here with a decent extra PC sitting around that is capable >of hosting a race, but probably very few of us have access to a T1 or >greater connection (or are will to risk or jobs putting a server on >our company's connection) Some of us are network admins, and *control* that aspect...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oh, well :) 2 Races ? I'd like that :) -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I believe you basically need a T1 connection to reliably host a server > with the size of fields we are running in RASCAR. Were you racing > when we did Kansas? We were running 2 races every Sat. and Eldreds > server crashed after the first race. We tried to take over the RAS > Open server and it worked great.... for about 12 people. As soon as > we got around 14 or 15, everyones ping went though the roof. I > believe he is running it on a cable modem. There are probably quite a > few of us here with a decent extra PC sitting around that is capable > of hosting a race, but probably very few of us have access to a T1 or > greater connection (or are will to risk or jobs putting a server on > our company's connection). Really wish I had the connection, because > I would love to have a dedicated N2002 server, but can't quite sell my > wife on the idea of a T1. > > Brian Oster > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:41:30 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have 192 up, but until they increase the reliability of my Cable Modem > >connection, I can't risk hosting a race. > > > >Otherwise I'd be happy to. > > > >Is 192 up enough for a 20 car field ? > > > >Downstream is 1.5mbit so that should not be an issue. > > > >-Larry > > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated > >> server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am > >> limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels > >> like he needs a break... > >> > >> Brian Oster > >> > >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:28 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. > >> > > >> >-Larry > >> > > >> >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > >> >> Pocono(2 races) > >> >> Indy(1 race) > >> >> Watkins Glen(2 races) > >> >> Michigan(1 race) > >> >> Bristol(2 races) > >> >> > >> >> We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our > >choices > >> >are: > >> >> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > >> >> Darlington(Sept 1). > >> >> I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > >> >> Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > >> >> > >> >> Eldred > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >> >> My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > >> >> > >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >> > > >> > > >

So the break is official? I would like to personally thank the person that started all this shit. :( -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > >I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated > >server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am > >limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels > >like he needs a break... > > I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, too many caution

flags, > etc. I tried to do something that's accessible to everybody. Janprovided the > program - thanks! John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting,and I > thank them for it. I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideaswere > good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. However, I think thatit's > become necessary. I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently(work,home, > life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be looking at rulessuggestions > closer, and the races will no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invitelist.

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> I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I agree. Thanks for your Efforts eldred. Please don't let the few screw it all up. Most of us are happy, and that's what matters. If they want rules, they can go race in leagues. -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%DS_8.22627$[email hidden]... > "EldredP" wrote... > > > <snip> > > I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, > > too many caution flags, etc. > > This should be water off a duck's back to you. Let us argue and rant,we'll

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> be back for more of the same, no matter how bad it gets. We're all online > simracers, we're all addicted. ;-( > > > I tried to do something that's accessible to > > everybody. Jan provided the program - thanks! > > <takes a bow> > > The open nature of the races can both be a blessing and a curse. Suppose > this Seatec guy'd had a good connection. As a rank 5 on super speedways he > could have given the top RASCAR dogs a good run for their money or wiped

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> the field. Them's the chances you take with a setup like this. > > > John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting, > > and I thank them for it. > > Yeah, that was really good... the carset stuff, the site. Thank you > gentlemen. I'd assumed we'd just gather and sort out which cars we were > going to use from the default carset to race. It appears this is not the

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> things work in online Nascar and their support was instrumental in weeding > out the dreaded "generic" cars. Great job gentlemen. > > > I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideas > > were good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. > > However, I think that it's become necessary. > > I don't know... things seem to have calmed down. Both those making the > mistake too many and those who got worked up over it most have weeded > themselves out as far as I can tell. > > > I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently (work, > > home, life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be > > looking at rules suggestions closer, and the races will > > no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invite list. > > I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. > > Ow come on... just put up some races to keep us occupied (both on Saturday > and "discussing" after), you don't have to administer, join them or read

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> flames... <vwg>. > > Jan. > =--- > > > >

On 22 Jul 2002 20:30:19 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster ><bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > >>There are probably quite a >>few of us here with a decent extra PC sitting around that is capable >>of hosting a race, but probably very few of us have access to a T1 or >>greater connection (or are will to risk or jobs putting a server on >>our company's connection) > >Some of us are network admins, and *control* that aspect...<g> > >Eldred

Well, I sit right next ours at work, but I am pretty sure I know the answer before I ask. Of course I *was* the network admin at my last job but that company no longer exists... Just curious, but do you have to open any ports on the firewall for a dedicated server? Brian Oster

Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicating your time and equipment for this. As for the rest of you, here is what I think. Rules require enforcement. Enforcement requres time, money, and effort. No enforcement, rules are useless. Eldred is volunteer. Eldred has job too. Me not want Eldred to volunteer any more of his resources for this. Volunteering should be fun. Enforcement not fun. Enforcement sucks. Eldred not happy. If Edlred not happy, then me not happy. Therefore, Piss on additional rules. (except for maybe one.) How have the offenders been handled in the past? Flames? Lets be gentlemen. Haze the offenders. Flame the mess out of them. Lets continue this silly season with the KISS principle. KISS Keep It Simple Simracer (or Stupid) Once again, Eldred thank you for your time. If you do decide to bow out, lets all start door knocking for someone with a T1 or DSL line that would be willing to host a SIMPLE FREEKING FIXED SETUP RACE ON SATURDAY AT 4PM EST. POCONO WOULD BE NICE THIS SATURDAY. where is that nerve medicine...... grub "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HA2%8.117635$%%[email hidden]...

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> I agree. > > Thanks for your Efforts eldred. Please don't let the few screw it all up. > Most of us are happy, and that's what matters. > > If they want rules, they can go race in leagues. > > -Larry > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%DS_8.22627$[email hidden]... > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > > I'm just getting tired of the arguing back and forth, > > > too many caution flags, etc. > > > > This should be water off a duck's back to you. Let us argue and rant, > we'll > > be back for more of the same, no matter how bad it gets. We're all

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> > simracers, we're all addicted. ;-( > > > > > I tried to do something that's accessible to > > > everybody. Jan provided the program - thanks! > > > > <takes a bow> > > > > The open nature of the races can both be a blessing and a curse. Suppose > > this Seatec guy'd had a good connection. As a rank 5 on super speedways

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> > could have given the top RASCAR dogs a good run for their money or wiped > out > > the field. Them's the chances you take with a setup like this. > > > > > John and Phil gave it support that I wasn't expecting, > > > and I thank them for it. > > > > Yeah, that was really good... the carset stuff, the site. Thank you > > gentlemen. I'd assumed we'd just gather and sort out which cars we were > > going to use from the default carset to race. It appears this is not the > way > > things work in online Nascar and their support was instrumental in

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> > out the dreaded "generic" cars. Great job gentlemen. > > > > > I've also had others make suggestions. John's ideas > > > were good, but I was hesitant to crack down that much. > > > However, I think that it's become necessary. > > > > I don't know... things seem to have calmed down. Both those making the > > mistake too many and those who got worked up over it most have weeded > > themselves out as far as I can tell. > > > > > I've had a lot of *other* shit go wrong recently (work, > > > home, life), so I haven't been very focused. I'll be > > > looking at rules suggestions closer, and the races will > > > no longer be 'open' - we'll be using an invite list. > > > I'll decide how long the break is sometime this week. > > > > Ow come on... just put up some races to keep us occupied (both on

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> > and "discussing" after), you don't have to administer, join them or read > the > > flames... <vwg>. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > > > > > >

See Eldred look what you started! <vbseg> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gz2%8.117628$%%[email hidden]...

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> So the break is official? > > I would like to personally thank the person that started all this shit. > > :( > > -Larry

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> Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicating your > time and equipment for this. > > As for the rest of you, here is what I think. > > Rules require enforcement. > Enforcement requres time, money, and effort. > No enforcement, rules are useless. > Eldred is volunteer. Eldred has job too. > Me not want Eldred to volunteer any more of his resources for this. > Volunteering should be fun. Enforcement not fun. Enforcement sucks. > Eldred not happy. If Edlred not happy, then me not happy. > Therefore, Piss on additional rules. (except for maybe one.) > > How have the offenders been handled in the past? Flames? > Lets be gentlemen. Haze the offenders. Flame the mess out of them. > Lets continue this silly season with the KISS principle. > KISS > Keep It Simple Simracer (or Stupid) > > Once again, Eldred thank you for your time. If you do decide to bow out, > lets all start door knocking for someone with a T1 or DSL line that would be > willing to host a SIMPLE FREEKING FIXED SETUP RACE ON SATURDAY AT 4PM EST. > POCONO WOULD BE NICE THIS SATURDAY. > > where is that nerve medicine...... > grub >

Been reading the related posts here lately, & been wondering if I should commit my 2 cents worth, when grub comes along & does it for me. Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give him the satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job... j/k John ;o) In a group representing different countries, cultures, backgrounds, etc (which is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always get differing reactions & solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem really exists. Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment; others want a free for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'm somewhere in between. Respect for each other, & a little give & take will do wonders, as has been apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems to apply here rather well. Grub, your idea of "flaming the offenders" has merit, tho a few attempts have created some bad feelings here b4. Even with this warning, allow me to be the first to embrace this method: GRUB, GET A NEW MODEM!!!!!!!!!!! ;o) Brian

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> grubbat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xb3%8.10665$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicating your > > time and equipment for this. > > > > As for the rest of you, here is what I think. > > > > ... snip ... > > Been reading the related posts here lately, & been wondering if I should commit > my 2 cents worth, when grub comes along & does it for me. > > Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give him the > satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job... j/k > John ;o)

I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing it in three other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (I figure waiting four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. > In a group representing different countries, cultures, backgrounds, etc (which > is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always get differing reactions & > solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem really exists. This is a crock - international differences and varying cultures should be left in the garage area (or paddock for you euro guys). In IGPS, we had guys from half a dozen countries, and the only real problem we had was with an Italian guy who thought the rules applied to everyone but him. He was eventually ejected from the league. The real problem is that anyone can join our races, and not everybody has evidently read the current guidelines. > Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment; others want a free > for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'm somewhere in between. I would be happy if we didn't need additional "rules", but people seem to forget the fact that they're racing online on a network that is highly unreliable and varies in quality from one minute to the next, and and they do really stupid shit on a seemingly never-ending basis. > Respect for each other, & a little give & take will do wonders, as has been > apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems to apply here rather > well. Respect for the racing environment is more important. If we can't create value in our races by having clean races, we can't convince people to drive with their heads place somewhere other than their asses in order to retain their priviledge of racing with us. PRACTICE: Since we're running with fixed setups, it shouldn't be tough at all to show up with a fairly intimate knowledge of how the car works under various conditions. I race several races offline against the AI so that I can see what I have to do to pass on the inside, pass on the outside, as well as be passed on the inside or outside. I know how the car acts on new tires, and I know how the car acts on old tires. It's not that freakin hard to spend time to learn the setup and find out how to drive at a particular track, but I think that's one of our biggest problems. RESTARTS: Hanging back, jump starting, chatting, picking your nose - it all contributes to a BAD restart. It seems there's a certain number of people that simply cannot drive at the pace speed for any longer than maybe a second. The further back in the pack you get, the worse the yo- yo effect is. You speed up, and then brake suddenly and slow down - because the guy in front of you did. --------------- My whole point is that if we want the clean racing we're all after, we need to establish some rules for participation. We don't need to establish new and exciting rules for when it's okay to pass, - we need to establish rules that we can cite when we warn a driver that further misconduct will result in a temporary suspension (or permanent expulsion) from racing with RASCAR. Rules should establish fair play, not artificial passing rules. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:09 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> >> Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give him the >> satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job... j/k >> John ;o) > >I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing it in three >other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (I figure waiting >four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. >

Actually, I was kinda hoping you were going to do a review for Coke like you did a few weeks ago, I was kinda interested to hear what your take would be on my two incidents. I think that pointing out peoples mistakes here probably would be the best deterrent to bone-headed driving. If you do it, you are just gonna have to realize that, when called out, people are gonna argue their case and you will probably get flamed. By next week though all *should* be forgotten. Brian Oster

In article <xb3%8.10665$[email hidden]>, "grubbat" <[email hidden]> writes: >Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicating your >time and equipment for this. You're welcome. Ed didn't start the overall controversy. People have been suggesting things almost since this started. I just need to figure out how much I want to do(ruleswise). Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Got me right between the eyes B.farmer!!!!! Your right. What am I doing about it? Well, ISDN has been on order since July 8th. They (the phone co) installed a midspan repeater? and it is still not right. But, they have there best guys on it!!! I hope to have ISDN by the next race. grub "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b64%8.14643$[email hidden]... > grubbat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xb3%8.10665$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicatingyour

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> > time and equipment for this. > > > > As for the rest of you, here is what I think. > > > > Rules require enforcement. > > Enforcement requres time, money, and effort. > > No enforcement, rules are useless. > > Eldred is volunteer. Eldred has job too. > > Me not want Eldred to volunteer any more of his resources for this. > > Volunteering should be fun. Enforcement not fun. Enforcement sucks. > > Eldred not happy. If Edlred not happy, then me not happy. > > Therefore, Piss on additional rules. (except for maybe one.) > > > > How have the offenders been handled in the past? Flames? > > Lets be gentlemen. Haze the offenders. Flame the mess out of them. > > Lets continue this silly season with the KISS principle. > > KISS > > Keep It Simple Simracer (or Stupid) > > > > Once again, Eldred thank you for your time. If you do decide to bow out, > > lets all start door knocking for someone with a T1 or DSL line that

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> > POCONO WOULD BE NICE THIS SATURDAY. > > > > where is that nerve medicine...... > > grub > > > > Been reading the related posts here lately, & been wondering if I should

commit > my 2 cents worth, when grub comes along & does it for me. > > Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give himthe > satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job...j/k > John ;o) > > In a group representing different countries, cultures, backgrounds, etc(which > is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always get differingreactions & > solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem really exists. > > Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment; others want afree > for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'm somewhere in between. > > Respect for each other, & a little give & take will do wonders, as hasbeen > apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems to apply hererather > well. > > Grub, your idea of "flaming the offenders" has merit, tho a few attemptshave > created some bad feelings here b4. Even with this warning, allow me to bethe

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> >Well, I sit right next ours at work, but I am pretty sure I know the >answer before I ask. Of course I *was* the network admin at my last >job but that company no longer exists... > >Just curious, but do you have to open any ports on the firewall for a >dedicated server?

Yes - either that or disable your firewall program. The ports you need to open are in one of the text files. I have to admit that I haven't looked at them, though... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:09 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > >> Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give him the > >> satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job... j/k > >> John ;o) > > > >I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing it in three > >other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (I figure waiting > >four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. > > > > Actually, I was kinda hoping you were going to do a review for Coke > like you did a few weeks ago, I was kinda interested to hear what your > take would be on my two incidents.

If I do your's, I'll do everybody else's. You know how *that* would pan out. > I think that pointing out peoples mistakes here probably would be the > best deterrent to bone-headed driving. That's what I thought too, but nobody else seems to agree with me (except you). > If you do it, you are just gonna have to realize that, when called > out, people are gonna argue their case and you will probably get > flamed. By next week though all *should* be forgotten. > I've begun to think that maybe I'm just expecting too much. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting around 110 on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is that I can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:(

grubbat <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. > Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting around 110 > on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps > working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is that I > can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:( > Cool, glad to hear you got a better conn... Only problem is that now *I* will have one of the higher lat #s, tho my Quality has always been 99-100. Since moving about 2 mos ago I haven't been able to get *any* kind of broadband, tho I'm told it'll be "real soon, now" ... yeah right. :o/ Brian

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> > > Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn'twant to give him the > > satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate forthe job... j/k > > John ;o) > > I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing itin three > other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (Ifigure waiting > four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. John, in re-reading what I posted, I realized that I didn't make myself very clear. The j/k & grin were meant to apply to the "not give him the satisfaction" part. I *meant* the part about "best candidate for the job", & indeed support that idea (if you really want to open that potential can o' worms). Haven't given it a lot of thought, but it strikes me (going by the last time you tried to critique the race) that you may consider *not* critiquing yourself ('cept maybe an "I screwed up on lap xx, waddaya think?" kinda thing), otherwise you leave yourself open to criticisms (valid or not) that you are easier on yourself than on others. Just the possibility of a "conflict of interest" is enough for some to assume that there is one (ask some folks on Wall Street). Setting it up so that it is *understood* that you will avoid any criticisms of your own driving, & leaving that up to others *may* be workable. Anybody else have input? > > > In a group representing different countries, cultures,backgrounds, etc (which > > is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always getdiffering reactions & > > solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem reallyexists. > > This is a crock - international differences and varyingcultures should > be left in the garage area (or paddock for you euro guys). InIGPS, we > had guys from half a dozen countries, and the only realproblem we had > was with an Italian guy who thought the rules applied toeveryone but > him. He was eventually ejected from the league. > Gotta disagree w/ you on this one. International differences are an issue, 'cause some of our friends across the pond(s) are relatively unaccustomed to Nascar's idiosyncricies(sp?), or racing side by side for laps on end on a "boring" oval track, or accepted pace etiquette, etc. This *is* a learning experience for some, & has improved a great deal over the course of a few months. >The real problem is that anyone can join our races, and noteverybody > has evidently read the current guidelines. > > > Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment;others want a free > > for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'msomewhere in between. > > I would be happy if we didn't need additional "rules", butpeople seem > to forget the fact that they're racing online on a networkthat is > highly unreliable and varies in quality from one minute to thenext, and > and they do really stupid shit on a seemingly never-endingbasis. > > > Respect for each other, & a little give & take will dowonders, as has been > > apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems toapply here rather > > well. > > Respect for the racing environment is more important. If wecan't > create value in our races by having clean races, we can'tconvince > people to drive with their heads place somewhere other thantheir asses > in order to retain their priviledge of racing with us. > > PRACTICE: > Since we're running with fixed setups, it shouldn't be toughat all to > show up with a fairly intimate knowledge of how the car worksunder > various conditions. I race several races offline against theAI so that > I can see what I have to do to pass on the inside, pass on theoutside, > as well as be passed on the inside or outside. I know how thecar acts > on new tires, and I know how the car acts on old tires. > > It's not that freakin hard to spend time to learn the setupand find out > how to drive at a particular track, but I think that's one ofour > biggest problems. > > RESTARTS: > Hanging back, jump starting, chatting, picking your nose - itall > contributes to a BAD restart. It seems there's a certainnumber of > people that simply cannot drive at the pace speed for anylonger than > maybe a second. The further back in the pack you get, theworse the yo- > yo effect is. You speed up, and then brake suddenly and slowdown - > because the guy in front of you did. > > --------------- > > My whole point is that if we want the clean racing we're allafter, we > need to establish some rules for participation. We don't needto > establish new and exciting rules for when it's okay to pass, -we need > to establish rules that we can cite when we warn a driver thatfurther > misconduct will result in a temporary suspension (or permanent > expulsion) from racing with RASCAR. > > Rules should establish fair play, not artificial passingrules. I'm inclined to agree with the rest of your post. Ya got my vote. ;o) Brian

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >> I think that pointing out peoples mistakes here probably would be the >> best deterrent to bone-headed driving. > >That's what I thought too, but nobody else seems to agree with me >(except you). I agree on that point, but I also know that there will be those who won't. I'd be curious about your take on *my* incident, though...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

ISDN is GREAT for online racing (at least as a client - you won't be hosting much). It's plenty fast at 128kb/sec, and more importantly, ISDN is extremely stable and low-latency. Of course, that assumes that your ISP is worth a damn. -Larry "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0dk%8.859$[email hidden]...

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> Got me right between the eyes B.farmer!!!!! Your right. What am I doing > about it? Well, ISDN has been on order since July 8th. They (the phone co) > installed a midspan repeater? and it is still not right. But, they have > there best guys on it!!! I hope to have ISDN by the next race. > grub > > > "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b64%8.14643$[email hidden]... > > grubbat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xb3%8.10665$[email hidden]... > > > Thanks for the races on saturday Eldred. I appreciate you dedicating > your > > > time and equipment for this. > > > > > > As for the rest of you, here is what I think. > > > > > > Rules require enforcement. > > > Enforcement requres time, money, and effort. > > > No enforcement, rules are useless. > > > Eldred is volunteer. Eldred has job too. > > > Me not want Eldred to volunteer any more of his resources for this. > > > Volunteering should be fun. Enforcement not fun. Enforcement sucks. > > > Eldred not happy. If Edlred not happy, then me not happy. > > > Therefore, Piss on additional rules. (except for maybe one.) > > > > > > How have the offenders been handled in the past? Flames? > > > Lets be gentlemen. Haze the offenders. Flame the mess out of them. > > > Lets continue this silly season with the KISS principle. > > > KISS > > > Keep It Simple Simracer (or Stupid) > > > > > > Once again, Eldred thank you for your time. If you do decide to bow

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> > > lets all start door knocking for someone with a T1 or DSL line that > would be > > > willing to host a SIMPLE FREEKING FIXED SETUP RACE ON SATURDAY AT 4PM > EST. > > > POCONO WOULD BE NICE THIS SATURDAY. > > > > > > where is that nerve medicine...... > > > grub > > > > > > > Been reading the related posts here lately, & been wondering if I should > commit > > my 2 cents worth, when grub comes along & does it for me. > > > > Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to give

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> the > > satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for the job... > j/k > > John ;o) > > > > In a group representing different countries, cultures, backgrounds, etc > (which > > is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always get differing > reactions & > > solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem really exists. > > > > Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment; others want a > free > > for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'm somewhere in

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> > > > Respect for each other, & a little give & take will do wonders, as has > been > > apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems to apply here > rather > > well. > > > > Grub, your idea of "flaming the offenders" has merit, tho a few attempts > have > > created some bad feelings here b4. Even with this warning, allow me to

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> the > > first to embrace this method: > > > > GRUB, GET A NEW MODEM!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ;o) > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > >

I've never disagreed with pointing out others mistakes, as long as it doesn't turn into a 3-day flame-fest. I get tired of reading that shit. And I believe it requires a certain tactfullness. Keeping it interesting and I dare say fun will cut down on some of the problems we've seen in the past. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:37:09 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't want to givehim the > > >> satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for thejob... j/k > > >> John ;o) > > > > > >I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing it in three > > >other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (I figurewaiting

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> > >four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. > > > > > > > Actually, I was kinda hoping you were going to do a review for Coke > > like you did a few weeks ago, I was kinda interested to hear what your > > take would be on my two incidents. > > If I do your's, I'll do everybody else's. You know how *that* would pan > out. > > > I think that pointing out peoples mistakes here probably would be the > > best deterrent to bone-headed driving. > > That's what I thought too, but nobody else seems to agree with me > (except you). > > > If you do it, you are just gonna have to realize that, when called > > out, people are gonna argue their case and you will probably get > > flamed. By next week though all *should* be forgotten. > > > > I've begun to think that maybe I'm just expecting too much. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Other than the bill, you're going to love ISDN for online gaming :) -Larry "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. > Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting around110 > on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps > working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is thatI > can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:( > >

You know, there really are only two rules that are needed: 1. The Rules as applied by the SIM. 2. Respect for your fellow drivers. The rest doesn't matter, because the above two, if followed, take care of everything else except the true mistakes, which happen to EVERYONE. The only flaw is the 100 page document needed to define the word "Respect" :) -Larry "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lAq%8.250$[email hidden]...

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> John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > <snip> > > > > Nobody wants to be the cop, 'cept maybe JS, & I wouldn't > want to give him the > > > satisfaction, even tho he is probably the best candidate for > the job... j/k > > > John ;o) > > > > I don't WANT to do it, but since I've had experience doing it > in three > > other leagues, and since nobody else wanted to step up (I > figure waiting > > four months is more than long enough), I took on the job. > > John, in re-reading what I posted, I realized that I didn't make > myself very clear. The j/k & grin were meant to apply to the > "not give him the satisfaction" part. I *meant* the part about > "best candidate for the job", & indeed support that idea (if you > really want to open that potential can o' worms). > > Haven't given it a lot of thought, but it strikes me (going by > the last time you tried to critique the race) that you may > consider *not* critiquing yourself ('cept maybe an "I screwed up > on lap xx, waddaya think?" kinda thing), otherwise you leave > yourself open to criticisms (valid or not) that you are easier > on yourself than on others. Just the possibility of a "conflict > of interest" is enough for some to assume that there is one (ask > some folks on Wall Street). Setting it up so that it is > *understood* that you will avoid any criticisms of your own > driving, & leaving that up to others *may* be workable. Anybody > else have input? > > > > > > In a group representing different countries, cultures, > backgrounds, etc (which > > > is the *main* reason I like RASCAR), you will always get > differing reactions & > > > solutions to problems, even as to whether a problem really > exists. > > > > This is a crock - international differences and varying > cultures should > > be left in the garage area (or paddock for you euro guys). In > IGPS, we > > had guys from half a dozen countries, and the only real > problem we had > > was with an Italian guy who thought the rules applied to > everyone but > > him. He was eventually ejected from the league. > > > > Gotta disagree w/ you on this one. International differences > are an issue, 'cause some of our friends across the pond(s) are > relatively unaccustomed to Nascar's idiosyncricies(sp?), or > racing side by side for laps on end on a "boring" oval track, or > accepted pace etiquette, etc. This *is* a learning experience > for some, & has improved a great deal over the course of a few > months. > > >The real problem is that anyone can join our races, and not > everybody > > has evidently read the current guidelines. > > > > > Some want a more controlled, more disciplined environment; > others want a free > > > for all, "run what ya brung" experience. Me? I'm > somewhere in between. > > > > I would be happy if we didn't need additional "rules", but > people seem > > to forget the fact that they're racing online on a network > that is > > highly unreliable and varies in quality from one minute to the > next, and > > and they do really stupid shit on a seemingly never-ending > basis. > > > > > Respect for each other, & a little give & take will do > wonders, as has been > > > apparent over the last few races. The Golden Rule seems to > apply here rather > > > well. > > > > Respect for the racing environment is more important. If we > can't > > create value in our races by having clean races, we can't > convince > > people to drive with their heads place somewhere other than > their asses > > in order to retain their priviledge of racing with us. > > > > PRACTICE: > > Since we're running with fixed setups, it shouldn't be tough > at all to > > show up with a fairly intimate knowledge of how the car works > under > > various conditions. I race several races offline against the > AI so that > > I can see what I have to do to pass on the inside, pass on the > outside, > > as well as be passed on the inside or outside. I know how the > car acts > > on new tires, and I know how the car acts on old tires. > > > > It's not that freakin hard to spend time to learn the setup > and find out > > how to drive at a particular track, but I think that's one of > our > > biggest problems. > > > > RESTARTS: > > Hanging back, jump starting, chatting, picking your nose - it > all > > contributes to a BAD restart. It seems there's a certain > number of > > people that simply cannot drive at the pace speed for any > longer than > > maybe a second. The further back in the pack you get, the > worse the yo- > > yo effect is. You speed up, and then brake suddenly and slow > down - > > because the guy in front of you did. > > > > --------------- > > > > My whole point is that if we want the clean racing we're all > after, we > > need to establish some rules for participation. We don't need > to > > establish new and exciting rules for when it's okay to pass, - > we need > > to establish rules that we can cite when we warn a driver that > further > > misconduct will result in a temporary suspension (or permanent > > expulsion) from racing with RASCAR. > > > > Rules should establish fair play, not artificial passing > rules. > > I'm inclined to agree with the rest of your post. Ya got my > vote. ;o) > > Brian > > > >

In article <zOx%8.126865$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >The only flaw is the 100 page document needed to define the word "Respect" >:) > That definition depends on if you're the President or not...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <%Jx%8.126849$%%[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > And I believe it requires a certain tactfullness. Keeping it interesting > and I dare say fun will cut down on some of the problems we've seen in the > past. Tact? I ain't no politician, never claimed to be, never tried to be, and I'm not about to change. Besides, no amount of tact will work with a certain portion of the population. I don't won't call people names in my race recaps, but I won't hesitate to label a "stupid passing move" as such, consequences be damned. Now, would you rather see an recap from someone that calls it like he sees it, or from somone that wouldn't say "shit" even if he had a mouthful of it? I know which one I'd pick, and he wouldn't be fighting with his conscience. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Well, heres the deal. I live about 11 miles from the CO. After putting in the midspan repeater, it working great with great quality and better latency. My cost is approx 69.00 month for 200hours usage. It includes two phone lines and has call waiting , forwarding, call id, and all of the other basic stuff. Our other phone line was 44.00 a month for one phone and all of the goodies like caller id, forwarding, ect. The extra 25.00 a month is chicken feed when you look at what i had verses what i got now. If I had added another phone line, the cost would have been compariable. We do not use nowhere near 200hours per month so that part fits good. The upfront cost was 169.00 for the installation (which was a steel considering the time they put in), and the Zyxel usb Isdn external TA modem. I canceled my regular phone service and haven't regretted it yet. The modem in pluged into the UPS and so my service should be up even though we might have power failure. In my neck of the woods, the phone company never suggested ISDN as an option to DSL. It was almost like they had to install it once I requested it. I thought that I was going to be forever banished to high latency and bad quality for living in the sticks but have since found out that there is hope for those who have poor regular phone service and live within 60,000 feet of their CO. grub "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rKx%8.126851$%%[email hidden]...

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> Other than the bill, you're going to love ISDN for online gaming :) > > -Larry > > "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. > > Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting around > 110 > > on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps > > working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is

that > I > > can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:( > > > > > >

Do it John. Its time for your expertise. This ought to be good. I enjoyed your obervations. Just be gentle on me and hard on everyone else....except Eldred. Be gentle on Eldred. Oh, be gentle on Ump, he's already been flamed. Oh , and be gentle on...........and on. grub :)

I guess I'm "certain portion" in this so I'll revisit also.. Had you ever watched the replay in question (that I did send you btw) you would have seen whom was at fault. YOUR replay showed different..... The end... I thought we were done with this thread quite some time ago, why does it keep coming back? Certain Portion :-) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.17a8d4861f89922298994e@news- snipped. Besides, no amount of tact will work with

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> a certain portion of the population. I don't won't call people names in > my race recaps, but I won't hesitate to label a "stupid passing move" as > such, consequences be damned. > > Now, would you rather see an recap from someone that calls it like he > sees it, or from somone that wouldn't say "shit" even if he had a > mouthful of it? I know which one I'd pick, and he wouldn't be fighting > with his conscience.

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>grubbat <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. >> Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting around 110 >> on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps >> working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is that I >> can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:( >> > >Cool, glad to hear you got a better conn... Only problem is that now *I* will >have one of the higher lat #s, tho my Quality has always been 99-100. Since >moving about 2 mos ago I haven't been able to get *any* kind of broadband, tho >I'm told it'll be "real soon, now" ... yeah right. :o/ > >Brian >

Actually, I believe that quality is better than ping times (latency). If you have poor quality it means that packets are constantly having to be re-sent. Brian Oster

The point I was trying to make was that no matter how hard you try not to, you're gonna piss someone off. The way I got it gigured is that if I try to piss off EVERYONE, then nobody will feel like they've been singled out. :) In article <o4H%8.28451$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I guess I'm "certain portion" in this so I'll revisit also.. > > Had you ever watched the replay in question (that I did send you btw) you > would have seen whom was at fault. YOUR replay showed different..... The > end... I thought we were done with this thread quite some time ago, why > does it keep coming back? > > Certain Portion :-) > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.17a8d4861f89922298994e@news- > snipped. Besides, no amount of tact will work with > > a certain portion of the population. I don't won't call people names in > > my race recaps, but I won't hesitate to label a "stupid passing move" as > > such, consequences be damned. > > > > Now, would you rather see an recap from someone that calls it like he > > sees it, or from somone that wouldn't say "shit" even if he had a > > mouthful of it? I know which one I'd pick, and he wouldn't be fighting > > with his conscience. > ==================== > > >

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That's a good price. In Virginia, Verizon was charging me $110 for 60 B-Channel hours! -Larry "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, heres the deal. I live about 11 miles from the CO. After putting in > the midspan repeater, it working great with great quality and better > latency. My cost is approx 69.00 month for 200hours usage. It includes two > phone lines and has call waiting , forwarding, call id, and all of theother > basic stuff. Our other phone line was 44.00 a month for one phone and allof > the goodies like caller id, forwarding, ect. The extra 25.00 a month is > chicken feed when you look at what i had verses what i got now. If I had > added another phone line, the cost would have been compariable. We do not > use nowhere near 200hours per month so that part fits good. The upfrontcost > was 169.00 for the installation (which was a steel considering the timethey > put in), and the Zyxel usb Isdn external TA modem. I canceled my regular > phone service and haven't regretted it yet. The modem in pluged into theUPS > and so my service should be up even though we might have power failure. > In my neck of the woods, the phone company never suggested ISDN as an > option to DSL. It was almost like they had to install it once I requested > it. I thought that I was going to be forever banished to high latency and > bad quality for living in the sticks but have since found out that thereis

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> hope for those who have poor regular phone service and live within 60,000 > feet of their CO. > grub > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rKx%8.126851$%%[email hidden]... > > Other than the bill, you're going to love ISDN for online gaming :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Your wish has come true. I finally got this ISDN beast up and running. > > > Instead of getting pings in the 500-850 range, I've been getting

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> > 110 > > > on average tonight with a standard deviation of about 30. If it keeps > > > working half this good, I will be on cloud nine. The only problem is > that > > I > > > can't blame my mistakes on my connection anymore....:( > > > > > > > > > > > >

LOL! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <zOx%8.126865$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >The only flaw is the 100 page document needed to define the word"Respect"

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> >:) > > > > That definition depends on if you're the President or not...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have access to an unused T1 if RASCAR, or anyone else needs it. -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I believe you basically need a T1 connection to reliably host a server > with the size of fields we are running in RASCAR. Were you racing > when we did Kansas? We were running 2 races every Sat. and Eldreds > server crashed after the first race. We tried to take over the RAS > Open server and it worked great.... for about 12 people. As soon as > we got around 14 or 15, everyones ping went though the roof. I > believe he is running it on a cable modem. There are probably quite a > few of us here with a decent extra PC sitting around that is capable > of hosting a race, but probably very few of us have access to a T1 or > greater connection (or are will to risk or jobs putting a server on > our company's connection). Really wish I had the connection, because > I would love to have a dedicated N2002 server, but can't quite sell my > wife on the idea of a T1. > > Brian Oster > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:41:30 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have 192 up, but until they increase the reliability of my Cable Modem > >connection, I can't risk hosting a race. > > > >Otherwise I'd be happy to. > > > >Is 192 up enough for a 20 car field ? > > > >Downstream is 1.5mbit so that should not be an issue. > > > >-Larry > > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I agree, and if I had the bandwidth I'd happily host the dedicated > >> server for a week so Eldred could take a break, but unfortunatly I am > >> limited to 128 up, so I can't. And since its his server, if he feels > >> like he needs a break... > >> > >> Brian Oster > >> > >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:28 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Anything BUT #2. I do not want to take a break. I'm here to race. > >> > > >> >-Larry > >> > > >> >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> The upcoming weeks NASCAR schedule is: > >> >> Pocono(2 races) > >> >> Indy(1 race) > >> >> Watkins Glen(2 races) > >> >> Michigan(1 race) > >> >> Bristol(2 races) > >> >> > >> >> We've run all the above races at least once as shown above. Our > >choices > >> >are: > >> >> 1)Continue following the WC schedule anyway. 2)Take a break until > >> >> Darlington(Sept 1). > >> >> I'm NOT going to load the road conversions for N2k2, so don't ask... > >> >> Comments? I'm leaning towards 2) right now. > >> >> > >> >> Eldred > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >> >> My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > >> >> > >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >> > > >> > > >

Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xhB09.25517$[email hidden]...

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> I have access to an unused T1 if RASCAR, or anyone else needs it. > > -- > Tim White > INTRAC Motorsports > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac >

Tim, that would be great... any chance of getting up & running by 4pm eastern time? Brian

Apparently not, LOL Sorry, just got back in town :( -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EyB09.7366$[email hidden]... > Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xhB09.25517$[email hidden]... > > I have access to an unused T1 if RASCAR, or anyone else needs it. > > > > -- > > Tim White > > INTRAC Motorsports > > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > > Tim, that would be great... any chance of getting up & running by 4pm > eastern time? > > Brian > >

Oops... maybe next time... ;o) Thanks for the offer tho, Tim Brian Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g6019.26580$[email hidden]...

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> Apparently not, LOL > Sorry, just got back in town > :( > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EyB09.7366$[email hidden]... > > Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xhB09.25517$[email hidden]... > > > I have access to an unused T1 if RASCAR, or anyone else needs it. > > > > > > -- > > > Tim White > > > INTRAC Motorsports > > > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > > > > > Tim, that would be great... any chance of getting up & running by

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