It's amazing that something that is 90% good can be turned into somehting
negative by a few.
We just had three excellent races in a row. Coke is a track that most people
think is a disaster waiting to happen, yet we had one of our best races
there yesterday. Can't believe any complaints about the overall RASCAR set
up came out of this one. Somehow, the thread concerning it degenerates to
the point that Eldred is now frustrated enough that he is saying we are
going to take a break from the races, have an invite list, and a rule book.
WTF?
It seems to me that only a handful of people are doing the majority of the
complaining about the quality of the races and whether or not steps need to
be taken to fix them. I got screwed twice in yesterday's race but I'm still
not angry at anyone or wanting any drastic changes.
This isn't a league yet the races overall have been pretty damn good despite
what a few want to say (and some who don't even participate), and if we
could simply find a way to encourage more practicing, then that would be the
best way to make the quality of the racing go up even higher. Rule changes
and stopping racing won't do much. I say that because I see even the most
experienced and serious sim drivers making normal mistakes. Very little to
do with rules IMO. Connection problems cause more yellows than poor rule
choices actually.
David G Fisher
I haven't been racing either recently so I say this as purely informational,
but I've asked around in a few leagues which have strict rules regarding
causing yellows, and I'd dare say their yellow figures aren't much different
from RASCAR's.
AAMOF, I joined a league which had been recommended to me for its strict and
strictly enforced rules, and was surprised to see how many yellows they have
on ovals despite these rules.
I guess it's really all down to personal maturity. Drive within your limits
and focus on finishing.
Achim
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:2rL_8.213778$[email hidden]...
> It's amazing that something that is 90% good can be turned into somehting
> negative by a few.
>
> We just had three excellent races in a row. Coke is a track that mostpeople
> think is a disaster waiting to happen, yet we had one of our best races
> there yesterday. Can't believe any complaints about the overall RASCAR set
> up came out of this one. Somehow, the thread concerning it degenerates to
> the point that Eldred is now frustrated enough that he is saying we are
> going to take a break from the races, have an invite list, and a rulebook.
>
> WTF?
>
> It seems to me that only a handful of people are doing the majority of the
> complaining about the quality of the races and whether or not steps needto
> be taken to fix them. I got screwed twice in yesterday's race but I'mstill
> not angry at anyone or wanting any drastic changes.
>
> This isn't a league yet the races overall have been pretty damn gooddespite
> what a few want to say (and some who don't even participate), and if we
> could simply find a way to encourage more practicing, then that would bethe
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> best way to make the quality of the racing go up even higher. Rule changes > and stopping racing won't do much. I say that because I see even the most > experienced and serious sim drivers making normal mistakes. Very little to > do with rules IMO. Connection problems cause more yellows than poor rule > choices actually. > > David G Fisher > > >I agree.
In the last two races we've had 5 and 7 yellows. A number of them were
caused by warp. That's pretty damn good considering the tracks (Texas and
Coke). People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason
and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO.
Humans have proven themselves very good at that though, right? :-)
David G Fisher
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:ahh6l5$s61tj$[email hidden]...
> I haven't been racing either recently so I say this as purelyinformational,
> but I've asked around in a few leagues which have strict rules regarding
> causing yellows, and I'd dare say their yellow figures aren't muchdifferent
> from RASCAR's.
>
> AAMOF, I joined a league which had been recommended to me for its strictand
> strictly enforced rules, and was surprised to see how many yellows theyhave
> on ovals despite these rules.
>
> I guess it's really all down to personal maturity. Drive within yourlimits
somehting
> > negative by a few.
> >
> > We just had three excellent races in a row. Coke is a track that most
> people
> > think is a disaster waiting to happen, yet we had one of our best races
> > there yesterday. Can't believe any complaints about the overall RASCARset
> > up came out of this one. Somehow, the thread concerning it degeneratesto
the
changes
> > and stopping racing won't do much. I say that because I see even themost
> > experienced and serious sim drivers making normal mistakes. Very littleto
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> and focus on finishing. > > Achim > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2rL_8.213778$[email hidden]... > > It's amazing that something that is 90% good can be turned intoQuoted text (7 lines)
> > the point that Eldred is now frustrated enough that he is saying we are > > going to take a break from the races, have an invite list, and a rule > book. > > > > WTF? > > > > It seems to me that only a handful of people are doing the majority ofQuoted text (12 lines)
> > complaining about the quality of the races and whether or not steps need > to > > be taken to fix them. I got screwed twice in yesterday's race but I'm > still > > not angry at anyone or wanting any drastic changes. > > > > This isn't a league yet the races overall have been pretty damn good > despite > > what a few want to say (and some who don't even participate), and if we > > could simply find a way to encourage more practicing, then that would be > the > > best way to make the quality of the racing go up even higher. RuleQuoted text (9 lines)
> > do with rules IMO. Connection problems cause more yellows than poor rule > > choices actually. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > >I agree with david. Dont try to fix something that is not broken. Lets
finish out the season just like we go started.
imho
grub
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:tg%_8.225565$[email hidden]...
> I agree.
>
> In the last two races we've had 5 and 7 yellows. A number of them were
> caused by warp. That's pretty damn good considering the tracks (Texas and
> Coke). People are talking themselves into an emotional state for somereason
races
> > > there yesterday. Can't believe any complaints about the overall RASCAR
> set
> > > up came out of this one. Somehow, the thread concerning it degenerates
> to
> > > the point that Eldred is now frustrated enough that he is saying weare
need
we
> > > could simply find a way to encourage more practicing, then that wouldbe
> > the
> > > best way to make the quality of the racing go up even higher. Rule
> changes
> > > and stopping racing won't do much. I say that because I see even the
> most
> > > experienced and serious sim drivers making normal mistakes. Verylittle
> to
> > > do with rules IMO. Connection problems cause more yellows than poorrule
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> and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO. > > Humans have proven themselves very good at that though, right? :-) > > David G Fisher > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ahh6l5$s61tj$[email hidden]... > > I haven't been racing either recently so I say this as purely > informational, > > but I've asked around in a few leagues which have strict rules regarding > > causing yellows, and I'd dare say their yellow figures aren't much > different > > from RASCAR's. > > > > AAMOF, I joined a league which had been recommended to me for its strict > and > > strictly enforced rules, and was surprised to see how many yellows they > have > > on ovals despite these rules. > > > > I guess it's really all down to personal maturity. Drive within your > limits > > and focus on finishing. > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:2rL_8.213778$[email hidden]... > > > It's amazing that something that is 90% good can be turned into > somehting > > > negative by a few. > > > > > > We just had three excellent races in a row. Coke is a track that most > > people > > > think is a disaster waiting to happen, yet we had one of our bestQuoted text (8 lines)
> > > going to take a break from the races, have an invite list, and a rule > > book. > > > > > > WTF? > > > > > > It seems to me that only a handful of people are doing the majority of > the > > > complaining about the quality of the races and whether or not stepsQuoted text (8 lines)
> > to > > > be taken to fix them. I got screwed twice in yesterday's race but I'm > > still > > > not angry at anyone or wanting any drastic changes. > > > > > > This isn't a league yet the races overall have been pretty damn good > > despite > > > what a few want to say (and some who don't even participate), and ifQuoted text (10 lines)
> > > choices actually. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason
and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO
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I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up and
race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, like last
race I leave.
I race in RASCAR for fun.
--
Richard "ZZ" Busch
Member:
Screamers Racing League
CORS
RASCAR
GPL Rank + 17.46
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Busch Motorsports:
Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
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Busch Carpentry:
A good carpenter can nail anything
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People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason
and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO
-------------------------------------------
I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up and
race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, like last
race I leave.
I race in RASCAR for fun.
--
Richard "ZZ" Busch
Member:
Screamers Racing League
CORS
RASCAR
GPL Rank + 17.46
----------------
Busch Motorsports:
Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
-----------------
Busch Carpentry:
A good carpenter can nail anything
-----------------
We just need to disregard the post/thread that started this whole mess and
go racing.
See you at the Track on Saturday!
-Larry
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:2rL_8.213778$[email hidden]...
> It's amazing that something that is 90% good can be turned into somehting
> negative by a few.
>
> We just had three excellent races in a row. Coke is a track that mostpeople
> think is a disaster waiting to happen, yet we had one of our best races
> there yesterday. Can't believe any complaints about the overall RASCAR set
> up came out of this one. Somehow, the thread concerning it degenerates to
> the point that Eldred is now frustrated enough that he is saying we are
> going to take a break from the races, have an invite list, and a rulebook.
>
> WTF?
>
> It seems to me that only a handful of people are doing the majority of the
> complaining about the quality of the races and whether or not steps needto
> be taken to fix them. I got screwed twice in yesterday's race but I'mstill
> not angry at anyone or wanting any drastic changes.
>
> This isn't a league yet the races overall have been pretty damn gooddespite
> what a few want to say (and some who don't even participate), and if we
> could simply find a way to encourage more practicing, then that would bethe
Quoted text (10 lines)
> best way to make the quality of the racing go up even higher. Rule changes > and stopping racing won't do much. I say that because I see even the most > experienced and serious sim drivers making normal mistakes. Very little to > do with rules IMO. Connection problems cause more yellows than poor rule > choices actually. > > David G Fisher > > >
"Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]...
> People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason
> and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO
> -------------------------------------------
>
> I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up and
> race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, likelast
> race I leave.
> I race in RASCAR for fun.
>
> --
> Richard "ZZ" Busch
I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try to make
alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understand if
Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparently gotten
to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home so I have
no problem with whatever he wants to do.
I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in my neverending quest
to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about $400. Yea.
:-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for lately to work.
If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. and in
following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can still race
without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can find another
until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now.
David G Fisher
Well, if the RASCAR server isn't up, I'll meet everyone in the RAS practice
server. Not sure how many people it can handle, or how it sets up races,
but I'll be on one or the other.
Leave all this nonsense behind. See you there!
-Larry
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:6aq%8.246501$[email hidden]...
gotten
> to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home so I have
> no problem with whatever he wants to do.
>
> I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in my neverendingquest
> to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about $400.Yea.
> :-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for lately towork.
> If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. and in
> following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can still race
> without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can findanother
> until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now.
>
> David G Fisher
>
>
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> > "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]... > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up and > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, like > last > > race I leave. > > I race in RASCAR for fun. > > > > -- > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try to make > alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understand if > Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparentlyWhat kind of card did you get?
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:6aq%8.246501$[email hidden]...
gotten
> to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home so I have
> no problem with whatever he wants to do.
>
> I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in my neverendingquest
> to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about $400.Yea.
> :-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for lately towork.
> If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. and in
> following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can still race
> without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can findanother
> until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now.
>
> David G Fisher
>
>
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> > "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]... > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up and > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, like > last > > race I leave. > > I race in RASCAR for fun. > > > > -- > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try to make > alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understand if > Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparentlyXtasy GeForce3 Ti200
David G Fisher
"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Utx%8.5213$[email hidden]...
and
have
race
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> What kind of card did you get? > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6aq%8.246501$[email hidden]... > > > > "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]... > > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some reason > > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show upQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, like > > last > > > race I leave. > > > I race in RASCAR for fun. > > > > > > -- > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try to make > > alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understand if > > Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparently > gotten > > to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home so IQuoted text (10 lines)
> > no problem with whatever he wants to do. > > > > I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in my neverending > quest > > to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about $400. > Yea. > > :-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for lately to > work. > > If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. and in > > following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can stillQuoted text (10 lines)
> > without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can find > another > > until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > >Ive been looking at the TI4200 Geforce4. I have the geforce2 mx and my
brother needs it worst that i need to keep it. Besides, its an excellent
excuse to upgrade. :)
grub
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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reason
> > > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO
> > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up
> and
> > > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping,like
if
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> Xtasy GeForce3 Ti200 > > David G Fisher > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Utx%8.5213$[email hidden]... > > What kind of card did you get? > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6aq%8.246501$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]... > > > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for someQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > last > > > > race I leave. > > > > I race in RASCAR for fun. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > > > I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try to make > > > alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understandQuoted text (27 lines)
> > > Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparently > > gotten > > > to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home so I > have > > > no problem with whatever he wants to do. > > > > > > I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in my neverending > > quest > > > to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about $400. > > Yea. > > > :-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for lately to > > work. > > > If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. and in > > > following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can still > race > > > without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can find > > another > > > until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"David G Fisher" wrote...
> Xtasy GeForce3 Ti200
Good choice... I got a Creative Labs one. I'm sure you won't regret your
purchase.
Jan.
=---
grubbat said:
>Ive been looking at the TI4200 Geforce4. I have the geforce2 mx and my
>brother needs it worst that i need to keep it. Besides, its an excellent
>excuse to upgrade. :)
I've been told that MSI 4200's generally have 3.6ns RAM, meaning they can be
overclocked to almost 4600 levels :)
I'm in a similar situation, my gf is having my old geforce2 mx. It's done a
nice job over the last couple of years though. I can push 50FPS in N2k2 ;)
--
Joseph Birr-Pixton
That would be the MSI Ti *4400* and not their Ti 4200 - no?
--
ed_
"jbp" said:
> I've been told that MSI 4200's generally have 3.6ns RAM, meaning they can
be
> overclocked to almost 4600 levels :)
"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> said:
>>I've been told that MSI 4200's generally have 3.6ns RAM, meaning they can be
>>overclocked to almost 4600 levels :)
>
>That would be the MSI Ti *4400* and not their Ti 4200 - no?
quoting from news:7Iv_8.416$[email hidden]
|Cool. I just ordered one for �130 including VAT + delivery from eBuyer. MSI
|too, so should definitely overclock to almost 4600 levels thanks to the
|Hynix 3.6ns memory.
It's just something I read on another group... But I'll be testing it when I
get my MSI 4200 later this week.
Regards,
--
Joseph Birr-Pixton
I don't think I'd buy _anything_ now until the new Radeon's hit the street
in a few weeks.
Though expensive, the 9700 looks just competely awesome and blows the Ti4600
out of the water and into the next dimension.
-Larry
"grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
up
make
> > > > alternative plans to keep it going with another server. I understand
> if
> > > > Eldred is frustrated and wants to take a break. Guys have apparently
> > > gotten
> > > > to him with their complaining. He's also having problems at home soI
> > have
> > > > no problem with whatever he wants to do.
> > > >
> > > > I just bought a new video card (may be here by Sat.) in myneverending
> > > quest
> > > > to stop these damn freezes, which brings my N2002 total to about$400.
> > > Yea.
> > > > :-( I plan on putting all this hardware I've been paying for latelyto
> > > work.
> > > > If some other guys don't want to do the RASCAR races this Sat. andin
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> Ive been looking at the TI4200 Geforce4. I have the geforce2 mx and my > brother needs it worst that i need to keep it. Besides, its an excellent > excuse to upgrade. :) > grub > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TzE%8.307038$[email hidden]... > > Xtasy GeForce3 Ti200 > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Utx%8.5213$[email hidden]... > > > What kind of card did you get? > > > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:6aq%8.246501$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:jX0%8.123437$[email hidden]... > > > > > People are talking themselves into an emotional state for some > reason > > > > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to showQuoted text (11 lines)
> > and > > > > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping, > like > > > > last > > > > > race I leave. > > > > > I race in RASCAR for fun. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > > > > > I'm going to show up too. If the race is canceled, we can try toQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > > following weekends then they don't have to. The rest of us can still > > race > > > > without them. Jason's server is still online, or perhaps we can find > > > another > > > > until Eldred gets back. Guess we'll just wait and see for now. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Just got one of those.
Getting a steady 37 fps even at back of the field.
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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reason
> > > > and are getting close to ruining something pretty good IMO
> > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I've decide to stay out of any discussion. I'm just going to show up
> and
> > > > race. I try to race clean and not hold anyone up. If I'm warping,like
if
