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At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to Danger" is being re-run. Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. Worth a watch, just watched it myself. John

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> At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to Danger" > is being re-run. > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > John > >

Awesome program! Tape it - convert your friends! -- �

If I go to tvguide.ca to check the listings, it says Countown To Danger: Description: Examining the crash of TWA Flight 800 Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "briGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ahqf8h$jna$[email hidden]... > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown toDanger"

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> > is being re-run. > > > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > > > John > > > > > > Awesome program! Tape it - convert your friends! > > -- > > � > > > >

I missed the beginning. That ejection seat is bad-ass. What did they say about Senna's crash? -- "Boy! You've got to have really big attachments to try a pass there... and make it." - David Hobbs mark "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to Danger" > is being re-run. > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > John > >

Basically that due to the VERY low ride height they used to runto achieve higher downforce, and considering his tires were cold due to the restart (bad accident on first start) and them using the safety car for one of the first times ever, his car bottomed out losing all downforce and it wouldn't turn, he was braking hard as he left the track headed toward the wall. He probably would have lived had the tire/wheel assembly not come off and hit him in the head. It is what prompted them to redesign all the tracks and add chicanes according to the story. Probably alot of car design changes as well. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash mark jeangerard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tA509.3454$[email hidden]... > I missed the beginning. That ejection seat is bad-ass. > > What did they say about Senna's crash? > > -- > > "Boy! You've got to have really big attachments to try a pass there... and > make it." > - David Hobbs > > mark > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to Danger" > > is being re-run. > > > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > > > John > > > > > > >

And according to telemetry, the famous steering assembly didn't break until impact. Well done piece, whether one agrees with it or not. John "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j6609.4336$[email hidden]... > Basically that due to the VERY low ride height they used to runto achievehigher downforce, and > considering his tires were cold due to the restart (bad accident on firststart) and them using the > safety car for one of the first times ever, his car bottomed out losingall downforce and it > wouldn't turn, he was braking hard as he left the track headed toward thewall. He probably would > have lived had the tire/wheel assembly not come off and hit him in thehead. It is what prompted > them to redesign all the tracks and add chicanes according to the story.Probably alot of car

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> design changes as well. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > mark jeangerard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tA509.3454$[email hidden]... > > I missed the beginning. That ejection seat is bad-ass. > > > > What did they say about Senna's crash? > > > > -- > > > > "Boy! You've got to have really big attachments to try a pass there...

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> > make it." > > - David Hobbs > > > > mark > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to

Danger"

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> > > is being re-run. > > > > > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > > > > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"briGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ahqf8h$jna$[email hidden]: > Awesome program! Tape it - convert your friends! Curses, I missed it. Can anyone video capture it?

How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in the investigation? Sometimes I don't understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new math, because the logic behind so many of these statements is utter garbage? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And according to telemetry, the famous steering assembly didn't break > until impact. > > Well done piece, whether one agrees with it or not. > > John > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j6609.4336$[email hidden]... > > Basically that due to the VERY low ride height they used to runto achieve > higher downforce, and > > considering his tires were cold due to the restart (bad accident on first > start) and them using the > > safety car for one of the first times ever, his car bottomed out losing > all downforce and it > > wouldn't turn, he was braking hard as he left the track headed toward the > wall. He probably would > > have lived had the tire/wheel assembly not come off and hit him in the > head. It is what prompted > > them to redesign all the tracks and add chicanes according to the story. > Probably alot of car > > design changes as well. > > -- > > Biz > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > mark jeangerard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tA509.3454$[email hidden]... > > > I missed the beginning. That ejection seat is bad-ass. > > > > > > What did they say about Senna's crash? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "Boy! You've got to have really big attachments to try a pass there... > and > > > make it." > > > - David Hobbs > > > > > > mark > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to > Danger" > > > > is being re-run. > > > > > > > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > > > > > > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Take a pill Biz; I didn't say I was disputing it, but as controversial as that crash was, others will I'm sure. :) John "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MNa09.6603$[email hidden]... > How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in theinvestigation? Sometimes I don't > understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new math,because the logic behind so

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> many of these statements is utter garbage? > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > And according to telemetry, the famous steering assembly didn't break > > until impact. > > > > Well done piece, whether one agrees with it or not. > > > > John > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:j6609.4336$[email hidden]... > > > Basically that due to the VERY low ride height they used to runto

achieve > > higher downforce, and > > > considering his tires were cold due to the restart (bad accident onfirst > > start) and them using the > > > safety car for one of the first times ever, his car bottomed outlosing > > all downforce and it > > > wouldn't turn, he was braking hard as he left the track headed towardthe > > wall. He probably would > > > have lived had the tire/wheel assembly not come off and hit him in the > > head. It is what prompted > > > them to redesign all the tracks and add chicanes according to thestory.

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> > Probably alot of car > > > design changes as well. > > > -- > > > Biz > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular

structures,....and

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> > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > mark jeangerard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:tA509.3454$[email hidden]... > > > > I missed the beginning. That ejection seat is bad-ass. > > > > > > > > What did they say about Senna's crash? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "Boy! You've got to have really big attachments to try a pass

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> > and > > > > make it." > > > > - David Hobbs > > > > > > > > mark > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > At 1am est, on The Learning Channel, a show called "Countdown to > > Danger" > > > > > is being re-run. > > > > > > > > > > Two parts, with the first part being about Senna's crash. > > > > > > > > > > Worth a watch, just watched it myself. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Would you agree the statement they said in the show, that this started the biggest push for saftey in F1 history? SLG "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Take a pill Biz; I didn't say I was disputing it, but as controversial as >that crash was, others will I'm sure. :) > >John > > >"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:MNa09.6603$[email hidden]... >> How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in the >investigation? Sometimes I don't >> understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new math, >because the logic behind so >> many of these statements is utter garbage? >> -- >> Biz >> >> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand >> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and >> the....." - Ash >> >>

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

I don't know(nor care really<G>) if it did or not, why ? John "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Would you agree the statement they said in the show, that this started > the biggest push for saftey in F1 history? > > SLG > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Take a pill Biz; I didn't say I was disputing it, but as controversial

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> >that crash was, others will I'm sure. :) > > > >John > > > > > >"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:MNa09.6603$[email hidden]... > >> How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in the > >investigation? Sometimes I don't > >> understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new

math,

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> >because the logic behind so > >> many of these statements is utter garbage? > >> -- > >> Biz > >> > >> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > >> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular

structures,....and

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> >> the....." - Ash > >> > >> > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

I would have figured that Jackie Stewart in the 60s pushed for the biggest push for saftey in F1, but maybe it was his attempts were never realized. . . SLG "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I don't know(nor care really<G>) if it did or not, why ? > >John > > >"Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Would you agree the statement they said in the show, that this started >> the biggest push for saftey in F1 history? >> >> SLG >> >> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > Take a pill Biz; I didn't say I was disputing it, but as controversial >as >> >that crash was, others will I'm sure. :) >> > >> >John >> > >> > >> >"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:MNa09.6603$[email hidden]... >> >> How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in the >> >investigation? Sometimes I don't >> >> understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new >math, >> >because the logic behind so >> >> many of these statements is utter garbage? >> >> -- >> >> Biz >> >> >> >> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand >> >> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular >structures,....and >> >> the....." - Ash >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new >> and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are >> due to too many English classes/teachers) >> >> > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

[email hidden] (Steve Garrotto) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I would have figured that Jackie Stewart in the 60s pushed for the > biggest push for saftey in F1, but maybe it was his attempts were > never realized. . . > > SLG > I would recommend Prof Sid Watkin's Book "Life at the Limit" for the history of safety in F1. There are a few key moments highlighted in there. cheers John

Chicanes were being implemented before 1994, mostly due to common sense but partly to Jackie Stewart whining like a baby and organizing boycotts of Spa and such. He personally approved the changes made to the Nordschleife in the early 70's to plane off a lot of the jumps and add more armco everwhere. In 1994, after Senna's crash, Mosley was suddenly being asked some very poignant questions about the legality of F1 by the governments of several countries (since the death of a superstar always re-ignites the "racing is bloodsport" debates...same thing happened with Moore and Earnhardt). His immediate reaction was to start putting ridiculous chicanes in every track, including Tamburello where Senna's crash occurred and...one at Eau Rouge, the most disgusting and laughable chicane since the ones that emasculated Curva Grande and Vialone (both of which IIRC predated 94). In the long run, Stewart has had more of an impact IMO on getting the cars and tracks to an acceptable level of safety, since most of the innovations were in place before 94 (chicanes to castrate interesting, er, I mean dangerous corners, carbon fiber cars, etc) Senna's death prompted overreaction for political reasons and primarily led to most of Stewart's ideas being used in ridiculous ways (hey, let's put chicanes everywhere!). IMHO Hakkinen's near-disasterous crash at Spa which led to the development of the head and neck restraint system had a more important affect on safety in F1 and motorsport in general. Of course, there's also Professor Sid who has brought most of the actual *good* ideas on safety to the table, rather than "let's turn the sport into expensive go kart racing". Jason On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:36:56 GMT, [email hidden] (Steve Garrotto) wrote:

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>I would have figured that Jackie Stewart in the 60s pushed for the >biggest push for saftey in F1, but maybe it was his attempts were >never realized. . . > >SLG > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> I don't know(nor care really<G>) if it did or not, why ? >> >>John >> >> >>"Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> Would you agree the statement they said in the show, that this started >>> the biggest push for saftey in F1 history? >>> >>> SLG >>> >>> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> > Take a pill Biz; I didn't say I was disputing it, but as controversial >>as >>> >that crash was, others will I'm sure. :) >>> > >>> >John >>> > >>> > >>> >"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >news:MNa09.6603$[email hidden]... >>> >> How can you dispute it unless you were there and involved in the >>> >investigation? Sometimes I don't >>> >> understand any of the statements some of you make? Is it like new >>math, >>> >because the logic behind so >>> >> many of these statements is utter garbage? >>> >> -- >>> >> Biz >>> >> >>> >> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand >>> >> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular >>structures,....and >>> >> the....." - Ash >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new >>> and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are >>> due to too many English classes/teachers) >>> >>> >> >> > > >(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new >and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are >due to too many English classes/teachers) > >