Cheever's Tough Words for Scheckter

IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six cars - five in races - this year. "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in a new cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." I thought that comment was interesting... - David Cook

Especially considering that Cheever himself is the cause of at least one of those. "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:icU09.1866$[email hidden]... > IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed sixcars - > five in races - this year. > > "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in anew

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> cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." > > I thought that comment was interesting... > > - David Cook > >

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> IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six cars - > five in races - this year. > > "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in a new > cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." > > I thought that comment was interesting...

Based on today's results, I think if I were Scheckter I'd throw the proverbial keys in Cheever's chest, tell him what he can do & quit his organization. Maybe I'm just too hotheaded. <g> -- Fester A lotta people poke fun, and that's alright But when I start pokin' back they get all uptight You can't cap with the master, son So sit your ass down before I blast you one -- Kid Rock

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> David Cook wrote: > > IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed > > six cars - five in races - this year. > > > > "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in > > a new cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our > > company." > > > > I thought that comment was interesting... > > > Based on today's results, I think if I were Scheckter I'd throw the > proverbial keys in Cheever's chest, tell him what he can do & quit his > organization. Maybe I'm just too hotheaded. <g>

AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and Sheckter. Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) - David Cook

Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David Cook wrote: > > IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed sixcars - > > five in races - this year. > > > > "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in anew

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> > cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." > > > > I thought that comment was interesting... > > > > Based on today's results, I think if I were Scheckter I'd throw the > proverbial keys in Cheever's chest, tell him what he can do & quit his > organization. Maybe I'm just too hotheaded. <g> > Fester

Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps this year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to cool it. Eddie is an idiot. Dave

"David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VPZ09.1392 > > AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice andSheckter. > > Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) > > - David Cook > Me too. She was a little unlucky to have to get out of the throttle at one point which dropped her back down the field. Those last 30 laps were absolutely fantastic. The racing was close and aggressive. I really thought there was going to be a crash behind Sarah at one point leaving her to take the win. Congrats to Tomas Scheckter on his first win and of course to Buddy Rice in hos first IRL race on taking 2nd spot with a superb last corner pass. Phil --- Race Sim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

One of the best IRL races I've seen yet. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ai1rjo$10jctg$[email hidden]... > "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VPZ09.1392 > > > > AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and > Sheckter. > > > > Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) > > > > - David Cook > > > > Me too. She was a little unlucky to have to get out of the throttle at one > point which dropped her back down the field. Those last 30 laps were > absolutely fantastic. The racing was close and aggressive. I really thought > there was going to be a crash behind Sarah at one point leaving her to take > the win. > > Congrats to Tomas Scheckter on his first win and of course to Buddy Rice in > hos first IRL race on taking 2nd spot with a superb last corner pass. > > Phil > --- > Race Sim Central Administrator > http://www.racesimcentral.com > >

I tell you what... A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can't deny the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at Indy next year) and let those two rookies have at it! Jay J "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EJ_09.33862$[email hidden]...

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> One of the best IRL races I've seen yet. > > > -- > Mike Grandy > www.precision-racing.com > "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ai1rjo$10jctg$[email hidden]... > > "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VPZ09.1392 > > > > > > AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and > > Sheckter. > > > > > > Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) > > > > > > - David Cook > > > > > > > Me too. She was a little unlucky to have to get out of the throttle at

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> > point which dropped her back down the field. Those last 30 laps were > > absolutely fantastic. The racing was close and aggressive. I really > thought > > there was going to be a crash behind Sarah at one point leaving her to > take > > the win. > > > > Congrats to Tomas Scheckter on his first win and of course to Buddy Rice > in > > hos first IRL race on taking 2nd spot with a superb last corner pass. > > > > Phil > > --- > > Race Sim Central Administrator > > http://www.racesimcentral.com > > > > > >

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:36:46 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six cars - >five in races - this year. > >"This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in a new >cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." > >I thought that comment was interesting...

Cartridge? Kind of fitting since IRL is the obsolete system of racing.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:36:46 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six cars - >five in races - this year. Pardon my ignorance, since I don't follow the IRL, but is Thomas related to Jody by chance? Jason

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:36:46 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed sixcars - > >five in races - this year. > > Pardon my ignorance, since I don't follow the IRL, but is Thomas > related to Jody by chance? Yes, his son.

Especially since he crashed out today :) I'll say this. The last 30 laps of that IRL race were some of the most exciting I've seen ALL YEAR! The racing schedules stunk today. The dual-feed UltimateTV was getting a workout today :) Never could fit in the CART race, but I think it's being replayed tonight. -Larry "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:icU09.1866$[email hidden]... > IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed sixcars - > five in races - this year. > > "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in anew

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> cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." > > I thought that comment was interesting... > > - David Cook > >

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>David Cook wrote: >> IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six >cars - >> five in races - this year. >> >> "This is not a video game. Every time he wrecks we can't just put in a new >> cartridge and start over. These incidents have decimated our company." >> >> I thought that comment was interesting... > > > >Based on today's results, I think if I were Scheckter I'd throw the >proverbial keys in Cheever's chest, tell him what he can do & quit his >organization. Maybe I'm just too hotheaded. <g>

Yeah, you are...<g> That was a VERY exciting last stint...whew! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <cd019.160439$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >The racing schedules stunk today. The dual-feed UltimateTV was getting a >workout today :) I watched all *4* races...whew! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <VPZ09.1392$[email hidden]>, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> writes: >AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and >Sheckter. > >Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) I actually wanted to see her win. That would have been cool... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <9VZ09.5168$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish >races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps this >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to cool >it. Eddie is an idiot. Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yep, his son, he almost destroyed his career by going up to a cop pretending to be a prostitue while being a test driver for Jaguar (not the best ride in the world, but MUCH better then the IRL.) "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:36:46 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed sixcars - > >five in races - this year. > > Pardon my ignorance, since I don't follow the IRL, but is Thomas > related to Jody by chance? > > Jason

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jT_09.71136$uh7.8932@sccrnsc03...

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> I tell you what... > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can't deny > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at Indy > next year) and let those two rookies have at it! > > Jay J

Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George that runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused the CART/IRL split in the first place. -- --------------------- Rob Berryhill

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY319.2182$[email hidden]... > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jT_09.71136$uh7.8932@sccrnsc03... > > I tell you what... > > > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can'tdeny

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> > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! > > > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! > > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at Indy > > next year) and let those two rookies have at it! > > > > Jay J > > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George

that > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what causedthe > CART/IRL split in the first place. > > -- > --------------------- > Rob Berryhill > Yup, I would love to watch more IRL events, but the smell of Sulpher and the taste of ASH overwhelms me everytime. dave henrie

Waring!! Partial F1 spoiler......... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "EldredP" > > I watched all *4* races...whew! > > Eldred 4 races? With the exception of 4 turns during one lap when a VASTLY faster Williams could barely scrape by a slug Mclaren...there was no race in Germany today. Unless you call MS poking around WAITING for Ruebens to get his ass in gear racing........... dave henrie

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:05:57 GMT, "DAVID J ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish >races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps this >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to cool >it. Eddie is an idiot. > >Dave > >

Leading races does not bring in the money. Winning them does. The goal is to get to the checkered flag first, not to make it easier for your opposition to do so by taking yourself out of their way. S.

Duh

> I actually wanted to see her win. That would have been cool... > > Eldred Me too. I remember watching her in a midgets over at Kalamazoo Speedway's big open wheel Wednesday night show. MadDAWG

I got in parts of ASA,NHRA,IRL, and NASCAR Sunday. The one good thing about the NASCAR delays allowed me to catch some of the other races, and then they cut it short so it was done in time fir the drags. MadDAWG

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY319.2182$[email hidden]... > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George that > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused the > CART/IRL split in the first place. At the Indy 500 banquet this year I was sitting behind Josie George (Tony's sister). Apparently she doesn't like her brother too much either. During Tony's little speach she had her back to him - and was mocking every word he said while reading the teleprompter. Pretty funny. She's the one who hooked me and my buddy up with an excellent Indy 500 package after a chance meeting at LA International Airport :) - David Cook

Hear, hear. Still, those cars were sooooooo far from running on the edge of adhesion that Sarah was even able to stay on the lead lap. That's another issue. Where their races run on "handling" type tracks (Nazareth, Phoenix) the races tend to be much less spectacular, and much more of a crashfest. That said, I still switched from the CART Vancouver race to watch the last 20-odd laps of the IRL race... Good for Tomas and Buddy Warlock! Rob wrote:

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> "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jT_09.71136$uh7.8932@sccrnsc03... > > I tell you what... > > > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can't deny > > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! > > > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! > > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at Indy > > next year) and let those two rookies have at it! > > > > Jay J > > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George that > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused the > CART/IRL split in the first place. > > -- > --------------------- > Rob Berryhill

Rob wrote: > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George that > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused the > CART/IRL split in the first place. Amen to that. TG's antics at Indy are the reason I only bought tickets to the Craftsman Truck race this weekend at MIS. That said though, it was a killer finish on the TV. :-) -- Fester

then he shouldnt deck his cars into the barriers at race tracks :) pez "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9VZ09.5168$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J > ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish > >races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ lapsthis > >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid tocool

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> >it. Eddie is an idiot. > > Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <fj219.35704$[email hidden]>, "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yep, his son, he almost destroyed his career by going up to a cop pretending >to be a prostitue while being a test driver for Jaguar (not the best ride in >the world, but MUCH better then the IRL.) Wow - I hadn't heard *that* story... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Wow - I hadn't heard *that* story... > > Eldred Eldred, read the full story here: http://www.atlasf1.com/news/2001/may/report.php/id/4302/.html Phil --- Race Sim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You teach him, don't bitch at him. Tomas right now is going out and trying to win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races. Bitching at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all. Dave Alex 'pez' Porazinski <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ai3ihq$i1t$[email hidden]...

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> then he shouldnt deck his cars into the barriers at race tracks :) > > pez > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <9VZ09.5168$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J > > ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to

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> > >races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps > this > > >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to > cool > > >it. Eddie is an idiot. > > > > Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > Wow - I hadn't heard *that* story... > > > > Eldred > > Eldred, read the full story here: > > http://www.atlasf1.com/news/2001/may/report.php/id/4302/.html

And Jim Bamber's view on it http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/iec5qz8twrqk/jimbamber/jbpage.pl?action=page&page=scheckter&title=Hangin'%20Around Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, Warlock <[email hidden]> writes: >Still, those cars were sooooooo far from running on the edge of adhesion that >Sarah was even able to stay on the lead lap. You don't think Sarah has a good car? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > You don't think Sarah has a good car? > > Eldred To my eyes it looked like she more or less the best car in the last 20 laps. She was consistently running the lowest line of any driver. What cost her a shot towards the end was having to lift off slightly once to avoid hitting someone else, I think Sam Hornish. Phil

If you would do a little investigating you would find that the greed and desire for power were from cart and that is what prompted TG to form the IRL "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6i419.168404$Wt3.127098@rwcrnsc53...

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> > "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cY319.2182$[email hidden]... > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jT_09.71136$uh7.8932@sccrnsc03... > > > I tell you what... > > > > > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can't > deny > > > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! > > > > > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! > > > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at

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> > > next year) and let those two rookies have at it! > > > > > > Jay J > > > > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George > that > > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused > the > > CART/IRL split in the first place. > > > > -- > > --------------------- > > Rob Berryhill > > > Yup, I would love to watch more IRL events, but the smell of Sulpher

and > the taste of ASH overwhelms me everytime. > dave henrie > > >

Jack Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:soj19.3584$[email hidden]... > If you would do a little investigating you would find that the greed and > desire for power were from cart and that is what prompted TG to form theIRL Yes Tony wanted as much say as a franchise holder( at the time a owner) of CART. He had no owership in CART he was a track owner. He got upset that he did not get that so he formed his own league. Then pulled the 25/8 rule so his newly formed league would not get its ass stomped by CART teams in its first year where they ran the same equipment. He has driven TV ratings consistantly down since the split for his race. He does not release attendance figures, but the people are staying away in droves from everything but race day. And Race day attendance cannot be confirmed to be what it was in the Pre IRL days. This years ratings was the worst, even after a bump when the CART teams started showing back up two years ago. Additionally the oval only aspect of the league just leaves me out. Finally some of the aspects of the IRL that were embraced, American Drivers, Parity on Engines since you can own them, and affordable racing is going out the window. Toyota and Honda will have factory support for only their blessed teams and they will raise the bar to a point where if you are not running the favored powerplant you will not be in the hunt. Michigans race had a great last 30 laps. To get there we saw great driving from Tomas who was dominating the race. other then that is was daft passes for second and back. Too bad Infiniti will not be back next year. They realize the dollars needed to spent keeping up with Honda and Toyota Factory teams will just cost too much. Dave

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >And Jim Bamber's view on it > > >http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/iec5qz8twrqk/jimbamber/jbpage.pl?action=page&page=scheckter&title=Hangin'%20Around That cartoon is garbled - it didn't show, and neither did the next one in the series... Oh well.<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ai4bch$112pku$[email hidden]>, "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> You don't think Sarah has a good car? >> >> Eldred > >To my eyes it looked like she more or less the best car in the last 20 laps. >She was consistently running the lowest line of any driver. What cost her a >shot towards the end was having to lift off slightly once to avoid hitting >someone else, I think Sam Hornish.

She definitely got shuffled back like in a NASCAR plate race... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <XSe19.4885$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: >My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You >teach him, don't bitch at him. Tomas right now is going out and trying to >win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races. >Bitching at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him >win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all. I'd say it's easier to teach patience than speed. Speed is more or less natural talent - it's difficult to learn(trust me<g>). Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sounds like you all missed the best racing of the weekend, The WSB race from Brands Hatch! No artificial rev limits, no pop-off valves, no traction control and no freakin' mirrors! Go Colin, Go! -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I got in parts of ASA,NHRA,IRL, and NASCAR Sunday. The one good thing about > the NASCAR delays allowed me to catch some of the other races, and then they > cut it short so it was done in time fir the drags. > > MadDAWG > >

I missed the CART race, and I was wrong. It was NOT re-transmitted. It was the F1 race they re-transmitted. Dammit. I know who won now (but I forgot), so it don't matter any more :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <cd019.160439$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >The racing schedules stunk today. The dual-feed UltimateTV was getting a > >workout today :) > > I watched all *4* races...whew! > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Personally, I find the IRL more exciting than either F1 or CART. The last 30 laps of that Michigan race yesterday were some of the most nail-biting racing I've ever seen in my life. -Larry "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fj219.35704$[email hidden]... > Yep, his son, he almost destroyed his career by going up to a coppretending > to be a prostitue while being a test driver for Jaguar (not the best ridein

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> the world, but MUCH better then the IRL.) > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:36:46 GMT, "David Cook" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six > cars - > > >five in races - this year. > > > > Pardon my ignorance, since I don't follow the IRL, but is Thomas > > related to Jody by chance? > > > > Jason > >

Eddie helped him tear up a few of those cars :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9VZ09.5168$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J > ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish > >races instead of bitching at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ lapsthis > >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid tocool

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> >it. Eddie is an idiot. > > Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Has she ever won a race in IRL ? -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <VPZ09.1392$[email hidden]>,"David

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> Cook" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and > >Sheckter. > > > >Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :) > > I actually wanted to see her win. That would have been cool... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <XSe19.4885$[email hidden]>, "DAVID J > ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You > >teach him, don't bitch at him. Tomas right now is going out and tryingto

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> >win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races. > >Bitching at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him > >win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all. > > I'd say it's easier to teach patience than speed. Speed is more or less > natural talent - it's difficult to learn(trust me<g>). > > Eldred

The kid is fast no doubt about it, but yelling at him and threatening him with loosing his ride is not going to teach patience, its just going to get you a pissed off driver. Cheever needs to figure that one out. Kinda like AJ. Loved seeing him destroy part of one of his cars yesturday. Dave

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> > Jack Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:soj19.3584$[email hidden]... > > If you would do a little investigating you would find that the greed and > > desire for power were from cart and that is what prompted TG to form the > IRL > > Yes Tony wanted as much say as a franchise holder( at the time a owner) of > CART. He had no owership in CART he was a track owner. He got upset that he > did not get that so he formed his own league. Then pulled the 25/8 rule so > his newly formed league would not get its ass stomped by CART teams in its > first year where they ran the same equipment. He has driven TV ratings > consistantly down since the split for his race. He does not release > attendance figures, but the people are staying away in droves from > everything but race day. And Race day attendance cannot be confirmed to be > what it was in the Pre IRL days. This years ratings was the worst, even > after a bump when the CART teams started showing back up two years ago. > Additionally the oval only aspect of the league just leaves me out. Finally > some of the aspects of the IRL that were embraced, American Drivers, Parity > on Engines since you can own them, and affordable racing is going out the > window. Toyota and Honda will have factory support for only their blessed > teams and they will raise the bar to a point where if you are not running > the favored powerplant you will not be in the hunt. > > Michigans race had a great last 30 laps. To get there we saw great driving > from Tomas who was dominating the race. other then that is was daft passes > for second and back. Too bad Infiniti will not be back next year. They > realize the dollars needed to spent keeping up with Honda and Toyota Factory > teams will just cost too much. > > Dave

Seems to me CART had some pretty good races at Michigan also!!! Can I get a HELL-YES on that? I refuse to watch IRL races on TV, mostly because I'm so sick of all the sponser name dropping the announcers do. The other networks are bad, but ABC is the worst! Case in point, I believe it was at the Nazareth race earlier this year, and it started to rain. ABC sent one of their trackside announcers to the "Marlboro Team Penske" pit to talk to Mr. Penske. The announcer opened his spot by noting that "Roger Penske is wearing his Hugo Boss Raingear", or words to that effect. There was a reference made to Hugo Boss, that I remember. WTF is that all about? Bottom line...I do like to watch the close racing in IRL, but you know what? I'm sick of ovals! NASCAR already has that covered. I want to see those cars on street courses and road courses also. Oh wait, CART still does that! I love CART, to me the best open wheel racing series in existance. I don't have Speed Channel, so I don't get to see all the races, but the ones that are televised on CBS, I watch. I hope CART survives this and comes out on top, but I think both CART and IRL are destined for failure. Like I said, NASCAR already has the oval racing thing covered. What made the old pre-IRL/CART split special, was the mix of tracks... IMHO. Oh, my interest in either form of openwheel racing has NOTHING to do with driver nationality. (Go Paul Tracy!!!) I'm jumping off my soapbox now. Thanks for listening. Gary

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > Wow - I hadn't heard *that* story... > > > > Eldred > > Eldred, read the full story here: > > http://www.atlasf1.com/news/2001/may/report.php/id/4302/.html > > Phil

Way to go Jaguar! Fire a 20 year-old for trying to get some pussy. D'OH! No wonder Jaguar never finishes on the podium. Sheckter is way fast!!! Wait and see. Gary

I don't know did you see the end of the IRL race? 3 and 4 wide swaping spots lap after lap. I really don't like watching road course racing unless I'm in need of a nap. Besides that wasn't even on TV over here. MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes: > I don't know did you see the end of the IRL race? 3 and 4 wide swaping spots > lap after lap. I really don't like watching road course racing unless I'm in > need of a nap. Besides that wasn't even on TV over here. When I watched Indy Lights from the grandstands at Fontana two years ago, the whole pack was together, three and four wide swapping places all the time. Cars out of horsepower with still a lot of downforce to go tend to do that... -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

You don't need alot of HP to have a good race. Take F1 for example. They have alot of HP but there isn't much racing after the first corner. MadDAWG

MadDAWG <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You don't need alot of HP to have a good race. Take F1 for example. They > have alot of HP but there isn't much racing after the first corner. > > MadDAWG > >Sorry but there is more to racing then draft passes. I guess with the increased popularity of NASCAR it is coming down to that. Buy your ticket sit in you numbered seat and watch the cars go round and round and think all the pushing, shoving and draft passing is racing. Dave

In article <1yn19.163424$%%[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eddie helped him tear up a few of those cars :) > Only 1 directly, and 1 indirectly... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>I refuse to watch IRL races on TV, mostly because I'm so sick of all the >sponser name dropping the announcers do. The other networks are bad, but >ABC is the worst! Case in point, I believe it was at the Nazareth race >earlier this year, and it started to rain. ABC sent one of their >trackside announcers to the "Marlboro Team Penske" pit to talk to Mr. >Penske. The announcer opened his spot by noting that "Roger Penske is >wearing his Hugo Boss Raingear", or words to that effect. There was a >reference made to Hugo Boss, that I remember. WTF is that all about?

The NASCAR drivers and crew do that all the time, too. I've learned to just ignore all the sponsors... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

And watching a bunch of cars play follow the leader is? At least at a parade you get clowns and Shriners. =) MadDAWG

> Seems to me CART had some pretty good races at Michigan also!!! > > Can I get a HELL-YES on that? > Hell yeah > Bottom line...I do like to watch the close racing in IRL, but you know > what? I'm sick of ovals! NASCAR already has that covered. I want to see > those cars on street courses and road courses also. Oh wait, CART still > does that! Really? When do you get three and four wide at 180mph plus on a road/street course with out having cars being carried away on flat beds? Ovals are popular because they are exciting to watch. While as a sim racer I can appreciate what it takes to run a god road race, but that still doesn't make them any less boring to watch. MadDAWG

Don't forget the F1 scripts. <G> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And watching a bunch of cars play follow the leader is? At least at a parade > you get clowns and Shriners. =) > > MadDAWG > >

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gary > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I refuse to watch IRL races on TV, mostly because I'm so sick of all the > >sponser name dropping the announcers do. The other networks are bad, but > >ABC is the worst! Case in point, I believe it was at the Nazareth race > >earlier this year, and it started to rain. ABC sent one of their > >trackside announcers to the "Marlboro Team Penske" pit to talk to Mr. > >Penske. The announcer opened his spot by noting that "Roger Penske is > >wearing his Hugo Boss Raingear", or words to that effect. There was a > >reference made to Hugo Boss, that I remember. WTF is that all about? > > The NASCAR drivers and crew do that all the time, too. I've learned to just > ignore all the sponsors... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

My beef is that the announcers do it.

> > My beef is that the announcers do it. Whilst I agree that bame dropping of sponsors is not ideal at the moment we have to face facts. Companies do not have vast amounts of money to throw at motor racing at the moment. Those that are supporting the sport through sponsorship in these difficult economic times deserve to get value for their money. I think we have to be a bit more tolerant of this for the moment and hope that when things pick up the name dropping will reduce a bit. Phil --- Race Sim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >And Jim Bamber's view on it > > > > > >http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/iec5qz8twrqk/jimbamber/jbpage.pl?action=pag > e&page=scheckter&title=Hangin'%20Around > > That cartoon is garbled - it didn't show, and neither did the next one in the > series... Oh well.<g>

So t's not only on my end then, I've seen it on someone else's PC so I thought it was just here I believe the caption read something like "lotsa Jags around tonight" Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> writes: > >And Jim Bamber's view on it > >http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/iec5qz8twrqk/jimbamber/jbpage.pl?action... > e&page=scheckter&title=Hangin'%20Around > That cartoon is garbled - it didn't show, and neither did the next one in the > series... Oh well.<g>

So t's not only on my end then, I've seen it on someone else's PC so I thought it was just here I believe the caption read something like "lotsa Jags around tonight" Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Gary" wrote... >>> I hope CART survives this and comes out on top, but I think both CARTand IRL are destined for failure. Like I said, NASCAR already has the oval racing thing covered. What made the old pre-IRL/CART split special, was the mix of tracks...>>> The way they're going now, I think you're right. IRL talked about racing on the cheap with All-American drivers, couldn't do it. CART was the class of the continent in open-wheel, now it's an 18-car field. They'll rejoin just before they die, so let's take the best ideas from both: - cheap standard engines and chassis, let's make it a driver's race instead of manufacturer's; - half-and-half ovals and road courses to reward the complete driver (just lose the street circuits where you can't pass); then add two of my best ideas <g>: - lose the aero, make them actually drive the car and slow for turns; - run 43 car fields (except at Indy;-)

Jumping in the middle of the thread here. I was luky enough to score some pavillion passes to the race on Sunday. This allowed me full access to the garages and pit lane before the race. We were standing around during driver introductions. While wating to be called up TS was sitting on the ground by his self and occassionally talking to a reporter. EC was laughing it up and having a good chat with BR while waiting. You could feel the tension. The Infiniti pro race was pretty good as well. Nobody has commented on that. Jason Priestly of "90210" fame and sometimes lousy broacasting for ABC started. Tuned him in on the scanner. He was very professional during the race. He brushed the wall and had to come in for a tire change. Something not normall done in that series. The crew botched the stop up big time but JP remained calm throughout. During the IRL race I was standing atop the terrace, the building behind the pits. Standing next to me was Tony George and Mary Hulman George. She was wearing an Ed Carpenter sprint car T-Shirt. Tony was wearing black pants and a white business shirt. Somewhat overdressed for the heat and humidity. Also met Eric Bishoff inside the terrace. "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY319.2182$[email hidden]... > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jT_09.71136$uh7.8932@sccrnsc03... > > I tell you what... > > > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can'tdeny

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> > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week! > > > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!! > > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at Indy > > next year) and let those two rookies have at it! > > > > Jay J > > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that asshole Tony George

that > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what causedthe > CART/IRL split in the first place. > I was under the impression that TG started the IRL as a way of getting back to American style open wheel racing. That being somewhat affordable and oval only. His original premise was to give American drivers a better shot at making it in the big leagues.

About damn time you showed up for this! MadDAWG

Who are you talking too? Dave MadDAWG <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > About damn time you showed up for this! > > MadDAWG > >

PA-Scott #1 WWF1 Fan <G> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > About damn time you showed up for this! > > MadDAWG > >

Scott and I have been know to trash talk about F1 a time or two in the past :) MadDAWG

You lie like the dawg you are! ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Scott and I have been know to trash talk about F1 a time or two in the past > :) > > MadDAWG > >

"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:G5T19.2202$[email hidden]... > You lie like the dawg you are! ;) Oh so your an F1 fan now? lol MadDAWG

Hey now... no need to start throwing insults around! :-) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:G5T19.2202$[email hidden]... > > You lie like the dawg you are! ;) > > Oh so your an F1 fan now? lol > > > MadDAWG > >

Or we could just watch a parade(F1) with no passing at all. "DAVID J ROBINSON" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rBz19.465$[email hidden]...

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> > MadDAWG <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You don't need alot of HP to have a good race. Take F1 for example. They > > have alot of HP but there isn't much racing after the first corner. > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > Sorry but there is more to racing then draft passes. I guess with the > increased popularity of NASCAR it is coming down to that. Buy your ticket > sit in you numbered seat and watch the cars go round and round and think

all > the pushing, shoving and draft passing is racing. > > Dave > >

Yeah, there's a whole lot of draft passes at Richmond, Dover, Bristol, Martinsville, Sears Point,Watkins Glen,Loudon,............ <g> John

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> > > Sorry but there is more to racing then draft passes. I guess with the > increased popularity of NASCAR it is coming down to that. Buy your ticket > sit in you numbered seat and watch the cars go round and round and think all > the pushing, shoving and draft passing is racing. > > Dave